RationalOne

I disagree, but it's neither here nor there.

MRIH, I really don't exactly see how they could just "apply & roam". That's obviously not the scenario I was painting. But, let's work this one out for a second or two. You couldn't be saying that we simply round up all people of Arabic and Middle Eastern descent, and either intern them or deport them regardless of their citizenship status, or innoccence are you? National Identity cards would be the very backbone of your personal identification. You couldn't complete any transaction in a bank without it. This would be a powerful tool in locating and removing illegal alien influence among us. So if you don't think so, give me your ideas!

Funny. You already have a Social Security Card. If you want to drive, you have to get a drivers license. Why not consolodate all of the id's you already have to have in the country into one complete card?

Hi. I would like to invite some people to post some serious and well thought out points as to how to solve the current worldwide crisis of Muslim based Terrorism and oppression. I'd like to really have a good solid discussion. Please don't just rant and rave, but use your brain power. Form an argument, give the explanation of your plan, and project the outcomes. This could be a fantastic opportunity for those of us who wish to participate, to really put on our thinking caps and chew on this problem. Who knows, maybe some government official might somehow get wind of our thought process and take a few notes! I'll start. I don't believe that waging a nuclear based, or even a military based war against Mecca, Medina, or any other holy Islamic site, would do anything other than to incite 1.7 billion (yes, that's BILLION) worldwide Muslims. It would not cause them to stop, and in fact, I believe that it would cause unparallel rise in worldwide Muslim based violence. I truly believe that such a stupid action on our part would reduce the world into World War III, with no hopes for a reasonable solution. So what do I propose? Hmm. Well, my initial efforts would have to be localized in this country because that is where we have authority to act. So here's my initial plan. I'll revise it as time and other input direct. My first proposal is this. 1. A United States Government Issued U.S. Citizen Identity Card. Every U.S. Citizen would be required to obtain a Citizens Identity Card which would be issued by the U.S. Government. It should be digital in nature with not only your photo and birth and/or naturalization information, but also your physical description, identifying marks, and a digital encoding of your fingerprints and retinal scan. This would make it so easy for law enforcement to verify who you are by simply swiping the card, and having you press your thumb to a digital reader (just like most of us do in the Department of Motor Vehicles anyway right now). It should be made in such a way as to eliminate the possibility of counterfeiting one. It should be required under law, that you must have it on you at all times and upon demand by law enforcement, you must use it to establish your identity. Failure to do so would result in immediate arrest and detention in a jail without potential for bail, pending a rapid investigation as to if the suspect actually has one or not. Those who have an identity card, but failed to carry it, should be interviewed, severely fined (payment required before release, or paid public work projects while under custody), and released. Those who do not have an identity card, should be immediately handed over to the Department of Homeland Security for interrogation and eventual deportation from the United States. The sole purpose of this card, would be to root out those who do not legally belong here. Plain and simple. I feel that our enemy hides in the shadows of our ignorance of their existence here. I would stop that immediately. I would propose that you were required to present this ID when opening a bank account, writing a check, registering a vehicle, obtaining an occupational license, attending flight training of any kind, purchasing a gun/rifle/weapon of any kind, registering for both public and private schools of any kind, admission to a hospital, opening of a credit card or credit line, initiating utilities service, obtaining a mortgage, renting an apartment or commercial space or storage space of any kind, renting a vehicle or heavy equipment of any kind, flying on an airplane, taking a train, sailing on a cruise, and especially upon entry and exit to the United States of America. I'm sure there are more instances but you get the point. THIS WOULD PUT A CHOKE HOLD ON THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION PROBLEM AND THE INCREDIBLE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO ENTER THE U.S. ON "VISAS", ONLY TO DISAPPEAR WITHOUT A TRACE. IT'S STAGGERING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE AND ARE DOING THIS. Personally, I would be first in line for this ID. I would want to clearly identify myself as an American Citizen. I have nothing to hide. I feel that every law abiding citizen would agree. Once other nations saw the effectiveness of this, I believe that they would in turn create their own National ID as well. Currently, France is debating this option! We MUST find a way to identify the enemy within. To extricate it, and remove it's ability to move virtually undetected in and among our society. This would be my first step against Terrorists.

Canyon, Texas Fuck Face. One more thing, for the record, when it comes to my life partner, your not even worthy of being anywhere around him you sick, disgusting fuck. Got a family psycho? Have any children loser? How about your "lovely" wife? Got one of those asswipe? I seriously doubt it. Who the fuck would want a miserable piece of shit like you. You're damaged goods fuckface. Inside and out.

You are sick. Plain and simple. Personally I couldn't care if you are in a wheelchair. Sounds like your crutch, not mine. Things happen for a reason. I'm sure your fate is justified. Nice to see that you can gay bash too. Wow. Another thing shit for brains, he's not my "boyfriend", he's my partner of over 10 years. What do you have in your life pathetic loser? Once again your stupidity and short term memory fails you. You say I am a "Great and Wise Queer" (thanks for the compliments but you still got the title wrong dipshit) Pediatric Cardiothoracic Surgeon who travels at his own expense to save children (Yes. I'm grateful to be able to give back to the world) and threatens ONLY YOU, YOU PIECE OF SHIT because you are just plain evil. The one who belittles YOU for BASHING EVERY MUSLIM AND I GUESS GAY PERSON NOW, yet after numerous attempts at reasonableness, now CANNOT (It's one word idiot) open a dialog WITH THE PIECE OF SHIT MRIH (piss and vomit be upon him) without obscenities (HEY, GO FUCK YOURSELF). The one who defends islam (actually, personal faith asswipe...but you cannot understand that) and claims all ORGANIZED religions are evil? The braggart and blowhard (THAT'S YOU FUCKFACE) who thinks he's better than everyone else? (NOT EVERYONE, BUT DEFINITELY YOU! YOU SORRY ASS, COWARD RIDDEN, PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN, PIECE OF SHIT! FUCK OFF AND DIE!) Now, that's better. I think I'll go for a relaxing WALK with my beautiful family now. Why don't you go fuck yourself! Asshole.

Hey MRIH you fucked up piece of rotting shit... Whenever you don't have a rational or valid argument, all you can resort to is the ridiculous. Equating 2 (gay or lesbian) human beings wishing to have the same LEGAL rights as 2 other (straight) human beings as somehow even remotely being twisted into cats, sisters, inanimate objects, is just pure bullshit. Just in case you didn't know, which I'm sure you don't, gay marriage is legal in several other parts of the world, and MA in this country. You really need to shut the fuck up asswipe, especially when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Eat shit and die, jerk.

Answers to: 1. Yes. I said several times, of which you cannot possibly remember, that I believe all religion to be evil, self serving, and manipulative. 2. No. Once again, I believe all religion to be evil, self serving, and manipulative. What I find more evil is your messages of hate. What makes you different than the Muslims crying out their jihad and hate? Nothing. In one sentence, you state that you don't hate the individuals who are muslim, and in the next, you say they are better off dead and to fry them. You are a sick individual. Go away you pathetic loser. You're so ridiculous, I cannot help but laugh at you.

MRIH, Enough is enough. You are quite simply, no different than the cowards who hide under white hoods preaching hatered of non-whites, the Kosovo ethnic "cleansers", goose-stepping Nazis of past with their hatred, destruction, and murder of anything they wern't, and any other two bit loudmouth spewing his filth at some clandestine metting of the "We Hate" crowd, dumb enough to listen to him. You are a fool, and an indignant one at that. You cannot make a rational argument to support your ridiculousness, and quite frankly, you cannot put a logical and cohesive thought down to paper. Your only mental ammunition is slurs, cusswords, and profanity. So here's something on your level you'll understand. You're a jerk. You hate everybody who's different from your religion. You're a christian religious zealot scum who thinks he's holier than a non-christian, and you believe that you somehow claim an exclusive ownership to God, and I loathe your kind. You make me and any reasonable minded person, want to puke. It is unfortunate that in our free society which I very dearly love, filth like you raises your ugly head and your vile voice much too often, and to my never-ending amazement, you actually believe the disgusting things you say. Go take your hate preaching into the streets and see how far you get. Now more than ever, I'm absolutely positive that you are a certifiable sociopath.

Oh boy. Okay, last and final post from me to you. 1. I do not hate you nor have I said I do. I dislike your verbal assaults and lopsided mockery. 2. I am no better than anyone else. I do not believe my ethics, morals, viewpoints, or occupation to be superior or inferior to anyone else. I belive in live and let live. 3. Although you refer to me as "an incompetent deitist" with regard to my professional skills, I don't fault you. You're angry and will lash out at whatever you feel will "hurt" me. I concede. We agree to disagree. I would like to point out something of a personal nature though. I invested the majority of my life to education and learning. I spent countless thousands of hours obtaining my degrees. I worked so many days in a row, 24 hours a day, for virtually no pay, in order to obtain my speciality training, that it's all like a blur. I virtually lived in a hospital. I am board certified, FACS. Now, I spend a good portion of my year, to fly out of the country at my expense to perform pro bono surgery on needy children because they are human beings in need. I also do lots of pro bono work here in this country. I have never sent a single patient to a collection agency, ever. I just cannot do that. You are so quick to call me incompetent and you know nothing about me. I've maintained myself for numerous dialogs with you here, but now this time you've gone to far. I face desperate parents who look me in the eye almost daily, and I tell them that I will do my very best for their child, and that is what I do. My very best. I used my "incompetent" self, and helped tiny human beings LIVE today. I didn't ask their families their religion, ethnicity, politics, social status, or bedroom habits. All of those things are personal and have no weight in my eyes. Just what the hell did you do today to better your fellow man or mankind? ... Flame some muslims? Tell someone their faith is a piece of shit? Send some " Satan is fucking your false prophet, Mohammed in the ass right now, (may a piece of shit be upon him)" messages onto the internet? You have a lot to be proud of yourself for. Pat yourself on the back, you've earned it.

That makes a lot of sense. Actually, you missed reading again. The passage quoted is (Luke 12:51-2) and is clearly stated as such. Boy that's a giant leap. Right. Why does this not surprise me? Oh yes, that clarifies it completely. Not. This is one of the dumbest statements attributed to Jesus. Rip out your eye. Yeah, right. That you don't think things through, and spew hate about Islam. For you to read carefully, think things through, and show you how vile and/or incorrect your comments are. I read a great deal, and if you call defending myself and others from your hate filled diatribes, then so be it. Oh yes, that small edit changed the meaning completely? No. Didn't change it a bit. Ripping out one's eye is lunacy. Period. You certainly get the lowest score for reading comprehension. You said I must be a Psychologist. I never told you I was a Cardiologist. I'm a M.D., a Cardiac Surgeon, specifically a Pediatric Cardiac Surgeon. I suppose you have a problem with that too?

This is by far, those most intelligent conclusion I've seen you make. Um, no he's not. "And I [Jesus] say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do." (Luke 12:4) "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple..." (John 8:59) "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because Jews sought to kill him." (John 7:1) A case of do as I say, not as I do! ---------- "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I [Jesus] tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three." (Luke 12:51-2) "Think not that I [Jesus] have come to send peace on earth: I come not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34) "...for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." (Matthew 26:52) "...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." (Luke 22:36) And to think that these are supposed to be the sayings of one some call the prince of peace. ---------- "For I [Jesus] am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:35-6) "If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26) "Honour thy father and thy mother..." (Matthew 19:19) "And call no man your father upon earth..." (Mathew 23:9) Nope. No discord here. ---------- "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish..." (Matthew 5:29) Who in their right mind would pluck out their eye and think that it was profitable? ---------- "Verily I [Jesus] say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things [the end of the world] be fulfilled." (Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32) "And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." (Matthew 21:22) The early followers of Jesus died waiting for the end of the world, and even today, over 1900 years later, some Christians still believe that the world is to end in their generation, and that Jesus will give them anything that they ask for in prayer. --------- Bottom line for me is this. I have no problem that you want to believe what you want. What I do have a problem with, is your relentless vicious attacks against other religion, specifically Islam, because you find things in the Koran which you do not like. The supreme irony here is that the religion which you identify with, is a contradictory and confusing account. The Bible shows that this Jesus fellow spoke and taught many absurd and foolish things, and often believed he was having a conversation with devils. If one will read the entire Bible, one will find tales of ignorance, murder, sexual perversions, mass insanity, idiotic laws, and even cannibalism and human sacrifice. It staggers the imagination and I for one cannot read the Bible and believe that it was written by a wise, just, and loving god. Christians have found biblical scriptures telling them to burn people at the stake, to justify slavery, to oppress and persecute others, and to kill and commit war in the name of their god. The scary thing to me is that unfortunately, there are some even today who would have us return to the teachings and laws found in the Bible. So, go be at peace with yourself and your religion, and let others alone with theirs, but please, if you examine objectively and closely, your own religion, you can clearly see it's faults, evils, and shortcommings as easily as you see them in Islam. I like the way that you continue to call me names. Cute.