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Where did Jesus ever talk about different kinds of hypocrites? Good hypocrites and bad hypocrites? Could someone point out those passages to me? Aery and eddo said we are all hypocrites. Yet, that contradicts many things said in the bible about hypocrites. So there is some flawed logic somewhere. Since Aery and eddo say the bible is the absolute word of God, that can't be. God does not contradict himself. So where is the discrepency? I'd like to hear from Aery and eddo. It shouldn't be that difficult a question for a Christian, I wouldn't think. We cannot all be hypocrites as you say, can we? But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. (James 3:14-17) Can this just be thrown out of the bible to make what you say truth? And all the others I've mentioned?

According to what you guys are saying, the only possible interpertation for this is.. Jesus shall be astonied at this, and Jesus shall stir up himself against the hypocrite because everyone but Jesus, is a hypocrite. Doesn't work that way, does it?

Not really Aery.. So you're saying Jesus/God will be judging degrees and types of hypocrites and only some will be doing the teeth gnashing and weeping whilst others are "good" little hypocrites, which include everyone who has ever existed except Jesus? Why didn't Jesus come right out and tell everyone they are hypocrites and explain these degrees and levels of hypocrisy if that's the case? Because it's not the case.. It cannot be the case.. can it? Jesus was very specific and deliberate in his teachings, was he not? What you are saying contradicts that. Why would Jesus say "Don't be like the hypocrites", if everyone is a hypocrite? What you are saying in accordance with other passages means Jesus is going to come back to judge and save.......only Himself? He was talking to everybody, but Himself? Again, If we are all hypocrites as you say, then this is all our fate. Correct? Where's the problem here? We are not all hypocrites, are we Aery? That would conform without contradiction, would it not? We can not all be hypocrites as you say, can we?

You sir, are a hypocrite who can't answer a simple question ~ wez

I love you too.. But how can that be Aery? How can we all be hypocrites as you said? We can't, can we? Just please answer me that. Correct interpertation of the bible is always productive, wouldn't you agree? And the word of God cannot contradict itself, or it is not the word of God.. Correct? And the fact that Jesus spoke about hypocrisy so much, why is it a topic to avoid and not find a clear understanding? Isn't that what we're suppose to do? Do you see the contradiction and that there is no way we can all be hypocrites? How do you explain that?

So, a religious hypocrite is, by definition, a non-believer, since he is only pretending to be an adherent of the faith. A hypocrite is not a person who commits some sins on occasion (sin all people commit sin occasionally), but someone who practices those sins on a routine basis. The truth of the matter is that hypocrisy has been a problem for those who claim to follow God for a very long time. In fact, God challenged Cain (the first son born of Adam and Eve) on his hypocrisy when he submitted an inferior offering to Him.2 What did Jesus say about hypocrisy and hypocrites?By far, of all preachers and prophets of the Bible, Jesus had the most to say about hypocrisy and hypocrites. Since He didn't mince any words on the subject, but directly confronted the religious hypocrites of His day (the scribes and Pharisees), they hated Him intensely - eventually having Him arrested on trumped up charges. Here is a list of some of the hypocrisy that Jesus spoke against: Giving to the poor to be recognized by others Praying in public to be recognized as "God's man" Letting everybody know you are fasting to get recognition by others Complaining about other's behavior when yours is even worse. Pretending to honor God through lip service only Testing other people to try to make yourself look superior Deceiving people from knowing God Repressing the poor and widows Teaching proselytes to be hypocrites Tithing (giving to the church), but neglecting justice and mercy Doing everything for show, while really being self-indulgent and unrighteous Treating stock animals better than fellow human beings Being able to analyze the weather, but unable to distinguish between right and wrong Jesus indicated that those who practiced hypocrisy would be sent to hell,16 indicating that they were really non-believers. In other books of the New Testament, the writers associate hypocrisy with such things as evil,17 lying,18 perverting the gospel,19 envy and slander,20 and jealousy and selfish ambition.21 James contrasts the evil of hypocrisy with the "wisdom from above," which is characterized as being "pure, peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering."21 Modern day hypocrites: The news media loves to make a big deal when a "Christian" preacher commits some sort of sexual sin, with the most recent example being Ted Haggard, who rabidly preached against homosexual practice, while he himself was involved in it on a routine basis. Everybody loves to hate a hypocrite. It is not surprising that there are hypocrites today, as there were in Jesus' day. The Old Testament prophet Daniel even predicted that there would be more hypocrites in the end times, as the cost of faith could well be your life.22 Jesus also predicted that many would fall away23 although they would claim to be His disciple at the judgment: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' " (Matthew 7:21-23) Christianity should not be judged on the basis of those who claim to be its adherents, when, in reality, they practice the opposite of what it teaches. Atheist hypocrites: Yes, hypocrisy is not just limited to those who believe in God. When I first started reviewing Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion I expected to find some pretty crazy atheists' arguments, but did not expect to find any intentional misquoting. However, like some of the creationists he detests for misquoting, Dawkins, in his defense of atheism, used the exact same tactic - not just once or twice, but a bunch of times.24 It's good to know that even atheists can be hypocrites. Conclusion Christians are often accused of being hypocrites. However, the Bible clearly indicates that those who practice hypocrisy really aren't Christians at all, but will be judged to be non-believers and sent to hell. If you are a non-believer, this is a good reason to consider the Christian faith, since you don't want to end up in hell with all the hypocrites. Having attended many Christian churches, I can assure you that the pretenders are few and far between. One should judge Christianity not on the basis of what the fakers do, but on the basis of what Jesus taught and how He lived. ________________________________________________________________________________________ You must have missed this eddo.. with my jumping all over and all .. sorry about that.. I get a bit excited some times.. just like a little kid.. I noticed you didn't comment on that.. Is this guy a heratic liar or something? He's claiming the opposite of you.. who's the fraud? Please explain..

Aery.. will you please answer it for me.. Eddo's having trouble.

Please interperet and have it match your claim that we are all hypocrites?

Yeah.. like this isn't how you "discuss" it every time.. running away with your tail between your legs? You pissed me off? Hahahahaha Wait! ... You forgot your head! Hahahahahaha Answer this simple question..Should be a piece of cake for a fine, church going Christian such as yourself.. Spread the word according to your teachings.. How can everyone be a hypocrite, where no one will be saved? According to your interpertation of the bible? Eddo? Maybe Aery can answer it.. She said we're all hypocrites too.. How can that be? It can't. Can it?

So a place next to the hypocrites in pieces, with weeping and gnashing teeth is the promise land for all of us because all of us are hypocrites? Right, eddo? God must provide some good cocaine for all that teeth gnashing to be happenin'.. Must be tears of joy.. yay us!

Lets see... the convo started out on hypocrisy.. and I've talked about nothing but hypocrisy.. and I'm jumping all over the place and you're having trouble following me? Please explain..

Hahahaha... lots of substance there eddo.. good answer.. Ooooohhh.. please don't personally insult me and avoid EVERYHING I've said.. I'm sooooo self conscious .... Can't follow simple English, simpleton? How can everyone be a hypocrite? No one will be saved.. Please explain

"we're" getting there.. So how can that be Aery? That we are all hypocrites? It can't.. can it?

A hypocrite doesn't believe.. but with his lips for others to see.. ..and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:51) This tells you where their "belief" gets them for practicing hypocrisy.. If that were the case, and we're all hypocrites... and none of us is fit to stand against it cause if we do, we are one too, as eddo and Aery claim.. then this is all our fate.. according to the word of God. Right, eddo?

Sorta sucks when ya got no one left to hide behind.. eh, eddo? Time to stand on your own two feet.. No one left to sheild you with lies and insults... What's next? The brotherman brigade? Where is he when ya need him?

MG sounds good...

You're right eddo, here I am dragging bb through the mud.. And who else? Atlantic? That was me, not you, right eddo? Smooth how you threw a slew of names out there as you're telling me I dragged "them" into this and "they" have nothing to do with it and that I drag their names through the mud? Because I mentioned bb and what happened, exactly? And what? "Drug her name through the mud"? Wha.. huh? Aery? Who the hell said anything about any of those people? Now I know who's names you have dragged through the mud, hypocrite.. Most likely "behind the scenes".. right, eddo? Please explain Have I ever dragged your name through the mud Aery? Any idea what the fukk he's talking about? I noticed you really don't hang out at TJ anymore.. why is that?

What's the matter eddo? Cat got your head?

So sorry to hear that snaf..

So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full." (Matthew 6:2) "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full." (Matthew 6:5) ..and I will be praying for your cousin, her hubby, and their daughter, Snaf. Sorry to hear about the baby. ~ eddo

..and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:51) "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42) Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good. (Romans 12:9) But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. (James 3:14-17) This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. (1 John 3:10) You hypocrites! You know how to analyze the appearance of the earth and the sky, but why do you not analyze this present time? And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right? (Luke 12:56-57) Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:9-14)

Here ya are eddo.. this guy seems to make some sense out of it .. http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_are_christians_hypocrites.html So, a religious hypocrite is, by definition, a non-believer, since he is only pretending to be an adherent of the faith. A hypocrite is not a person who commits some sins on occasion (sin all people commit sin occasionally), but someone who practices those sins on a routine basis. The truth of the matter is that hypocrisy has been a problem for those who claim to follow God for a very long time. In fact, God challenged Cain (the first son born of Adam and Eve) on his hypocrisy when he submitted an inferior offering to Him.2 What did Jesus say about hypocrisy and hypocrites?By far, of all preachers and prophets of the Bible, Jesus had the most to say about hypocrisy and hypocrites. Since He didn't mince any words on the subject, but directly confronted the religious hypocrites of His day (the scribes and Pharisees), they hated Him intensely - eventually having Him arrested on trumped up charges. Here is a list of some of the hypocrisy that Jesus spoke against: Giving to the poor to be recognized by others Praying in public to be recognized as "God's man" Letting everybody know you are fasting to get recognition by others Complaining about other's behavior when yours is even worse. Pretending to honor God through lip service only Testing other people to try to make yourself look superior Deceiving people from knowing God Repressing the poor and widows Teaching proselytes to be hypocrites Tithing (giving to the church), but neglecting justice and mercy Doing everything for show, while really being self-indulgent and unrighteous Treating stock animals better than fellow human beings Being able to analyze the weather, but unable to distinguish between right and wrong Jesus indicated that those who practiced hypocrisy would be sent to hell,16 indicating that they were really non-believers. In other books of the New Testament, the writers associate hypocrisy with such things as evil,17 lying,18 perverting the gospel,19 envy and slander,20 and jealousy and selfish ambition.21 James contrasts the evil of hypocrisy with the "wisdom from above," which is characterized as being "pure, peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering."21 Modern day hypocrites: The news media loves to make a big deal when a "Christian" preacher commits some sort of sexual sin, with the most recent example being Ted Haggard, who rabidly preached against homosexual practice, while he himself was involved in it on a routine basis. Everybody loves to hate a hypocrite. It is not surprising that there are hypocrites today, as there were in Jesus' day. The Old Testament prophet Daniel even predicted that there would be more hypocrites in the end times, as the cost of faith could well be your life.22 Jesus also predicted that many would fall away23 although they would claim to be His disciple at the judgment: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' " (Matthew 7:21-23) Christianity should not be judged on the basis of those who claim to be its adherents, when, in reality, they practice the opposite of what it teaches. Atheist hypocrites: Yes, hypocrisy is not just limited to those who believe in God. When I first started reviewing Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion I expected to find some pretty crazy atheists' arguments, but did not expect to find any intentional misquoting. However, like some of the creationists he detests for misquoting, Dawkins, in his defense of atheism, used the exact same tactic - not just once or twice, but a bunch of times.24 It's good to know that even atheists can be hypocrites. Conclusion Christians are often accused of being hypocrites. However, the Bible clearly indicates that those who practice hypocrisy really aren't Christians at all, but will be judged to be non-believers and sent to hell. If you are a non-believer, this is a good reason to consider the Christian faith, since you don't want to end up in hell with all the hypocrites. Having attended many Christian churches, I can assure you that the pretenders are few and far between. One should judge Christianity not on the basis of what the fakers do, but on the basis of what Jesus taught and how He lived. ________________________________________________________________________________________ Hope it helps... March on Christian Soldier.. Boy.. that sucks.. according to you and Aery and this fellow "we're" all non - believers and are all going to hell.. woe is "us".. "We" are all hypocrites.. right, eddo? Or is that just the dream/claim of every hypocrite so they can hide and continue to do what they do best with no rebuke? Is that why you hate me, intensely, and trump up charges to get me out of your little world? Please explain

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There is only one way in the world to be distinguished: Follow your instinct! Be yourself, and you'll be somebody. Be one more blind follower of the blind; and you will have the oblivion you desire. ~ William Bliss Carman The signs of outstanding leadership appear primarily among the followers. Are the followers reaching their potential? Are they learning? Serving? Do they achieve the required results? Do they change with grace? Manage conflict? ~ Max De Pree The function of leadership is to produce more leaders, not more followers.~ Ralph Nader Leaders don't create followers, they create more leaders. ~ Tom Peters Maybe you just need to find a different church eddo.. Good luck in your quest for holy righteousness.

Money to help others with what? Be like you? Have no sense of right and wrong, supress their emotions, and think it's ok to treat anyone you encounter any way you want for selfish reasons cause the bible told you so? Sounds a bit f cked up to me..