A Political Rant About Religion

"The Daring Dufas" <the-daring-dufas@hottestmale.com> wrote in message

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A buddy of mine at UAB sent this to me, it's worth reading.

I usually don't forward political writings but this one is

really nonpartisan. Is it true essay from Dr. Chong? I don't

know but the message rings true regardless. The history lesson

included should get even the thickest skulled readers to

start thinking about what's going on outside their own little

world.

TDD

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'For what it's worth ... I've read, and then re-read every word in

the note below, and believe it's one of the very few letters I've ever

received that merit forwarding.

This is the most cogent and powerful essay on the threat of Islamic

terrorism I have seen. Dr. Vernon Chong is, without a doubt, the most

articulate and convincing writer I have read regarding the War in Iraq .

If you have any doubts, please open your mind to his essay and give it

a fair evaluation. It's also eerily applicable to other current issues,

such as Iran 's nuclear program, immigration, NAFTA's impact on American

jobs, trade deficits, etc. I had no idea who Dr. Chong is, or the

source of these thoughts, so when I received them, I almost deleted

them, as well-written as they are. But then I did a Google search on

the Doctor and found him to be a retired Air Force surgeon and past

commander of Wilford Hall Medical Center in San Antonio .'

If you would like to see who this fine man is, go to this Air Force web

site and look him up:

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5000'

Muslim terrorists and the U.S.A. :

A different spin on the war in Iraq: This WAR is REAL

Dr.. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country

is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it,

that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are

very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer

who realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1 When did the threat to us start?

Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer, as far as the United

States is concerned, is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the

following attacks on us:

Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;

Beirut , Lebanon Embassy 1983;

Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;

Lockerbie , Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;

First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;

Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;

Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;

Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;

Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;

New York World Trade Center 2001;

Pentagon 2001.

(Note: during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist

attacks worldwide.)

2 Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks

happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush

1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or

Democrats, as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or

their immediate predecessor, President Ford.

3 Who were the attackers?

In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

4 What is the Muslim population of the World?

25%.

5 Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the

predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under

the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made

no difference. You either went along with the administration or you

were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the

Nazis for political reasons (including

,000 Polish priests).

(see http://www.Nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis as

he six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom

hear of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept

the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy in killing anyone who

got in the way of his extermination of the Jews or of taking over the

world - German, Christian, or any others.

Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US , but

kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, British, French

or anyone else. The point here is that, just like the peaceful Germans

were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many

peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the

terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing --

by their own pronouncements

-- killing all of us 'infidels.' I don't blame the peaceful Muslims.

What would you do if the choice was to remain silent or be killed?

6 So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the

Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid

verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win

if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1 Can we lose this war?

2 What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions:

We can definitely lose this war and, as anomalous as it may sound, the

major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the

answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means

hanging our heads, bringing the troops home, and going on about our

business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.

What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks

will not subside, but, rather, will steadily increase. Remember, they

want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they

would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us over

the past 18 years. The plan was, clearly, for terrorists to attack us

until we were neutered and submissive to them.

We would, of course, have no future support from other nations, for fear

of reprisals and for the reason that they would see; we are impotent and

cannot help them..

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will

be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It

doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its

troops from Iraq . Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed

their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they

want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France . Our one hope with France is that

they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are

finished, too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without

us. However, it may already be too late for France . France is already

20% Muslim and fading fast.

Without our support, Great Britain will go, also. Recently, I read that

there are more mosques in England than churches.

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports, and way of life

will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal

with us if they were threatened by the Muslims? If we can't stop the

Muslim terrorists, how could anyone else?

The radical Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore

are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We'd better know it,

too, and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.

Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put

100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take

that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war?

Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by 'imploding.' That

is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their

purpose and failing to dig in and lend full support to the war effort.

If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to

be divided, there is no way that we can win.

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the

life and death seriousness of this situation:

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.

Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men

between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow

profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously?

This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of

the civil rights to which we have become accustomed. We had better be

prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most

certainly lose all of them permanently.

And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil

rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory ...

and, in fact, added many more since that time.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our

Political Correctness and all of our civil rights during this conflict

and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to

war. Get them out of your head.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the

Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us

lose.

I think some actually do. I hasten to add that this isn't because they

are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing

means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy

that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends and it does

great damage to our cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media

regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies

best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the

treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our

military police.. These are the type prisoners who just a few months

ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their

hands, cutting out their tongues, and otherwise murdering their own just

for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

And, just a few years ago, these same type prisoners chemically killed

400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same

type of enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and dragging

their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq . And, still more

recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing videos to all

news sources internationally of the beheading of American prisoners they

held.

Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several

days have thought and talked about nothing else but the 'humiliating' of

some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred

corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but 'humiliating' them.

Can they be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the

Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of

comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are

fighting, the life and death struggle we are in, and the disastrous

results of losing this war, nothing can.

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this

prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned

-- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we,

nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again, I say,

this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are

disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the

magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim

terrorists have been pushing us for many years.

These people are a serious and dangerous liability to the war effort.

We must take note of who they are and get them out of office. Remember,

the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels. That

translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United States , but

throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge

is valid. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good,

powerful, and smart that we can win the hearts and minds of all those

who attack us, and that, with both hands tied behind our back, we can

defeat anything bad in the world. We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation, as we know it, will not survive,

and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

And, finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow

freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of

the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status

or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way

that contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or

we will be equated in the history books to the self- inflicted fall of

the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history

books to be written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims

take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to

increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach,

little by little, on the established French traditions.

The French will be fighting among themselves over what should or should

not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any

united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some

external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,

politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,

worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even

to themselves, once they are in power.

Muslims have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then

start brutally killing each other over who the few will be controlling

the masses.

What is happening in Iraq is a good example. Will we ever stop hearing

from the politically correct about the 'peaceful Muslims?'

I close on a hopeful note by repeating what I said before: If we are

united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now, after the

election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the

critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is

your future we are talking about. Do whatever you can to preserve it.

I reiterate: our national election is under way.

After reading the above, we all must do this, not only for ourselves,

but for our children, our grandchildren, our country, and our world.

Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal ... and that

includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world.

Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our

'leaders' in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those who find

fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks

through this, that we must UNITE!

Lastly, I wish to add: at the risk of offending, I sincerely think that

anyone who rejects this as just another political rant, or doubts the

seriousness of this issue, or just deletes it without sending it on, is

part of the problem. Let's quit laughing at and forwarding the jokes

and cartoons which denigrate and ridicule our leaders in this war

against terror. They are trying to protect the interests and well being

of the US and it's citizens. Best we support them.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

"curmudgeon" <briticanlankey@bresnan.net> wrote in message

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> "The Daring Dufas" <the-daring-dufas@hottestmale.com> wrote in message

> news:fu62k8$11t$1@aioe.org...

> A buddy of mine at UAB sent this to me, it's worth reading.

> I usually don't forward political writings but this one is

> really nonpartisan. Is it true essay from Dr. Chong? I don't

> know but the message rings true regardless. The history lesson

> included should get even the thickest skulled readers to

> start thinking about what's going on outside their own little

> world.

>

As opposed to the historically limited propaganda for small minded

conservative republican ass kissers?

> TDD

> ==========================================================

>

> 'For what it's worth ... I've read, and then re-read every word in

> the note below, and believe it's one of the very few letters I've ever

> received that merit forwarding.

It's worth is no more than htat of any other right wing propagandist.

> This is the most cogent and powerful essay on the threat of Islamic

> terrorism I have seen. Dr. Vernon Chong is, without a doubt, the most

> articulate and convincing writer I have read regarding the War in Iraq .

The fact that he's spewing the exact same crap that George Bush spewed, that

got us into this mess is very telling ... and, obviously, lost on you!

> If you have any doubts, please open your mind to his essay and give it

> a fair evaluation.

I did ..... as I did every time some right wing pudit shoveled the same bull

shit.

It's also eerily applicable to other current issues,

> such as Iran 's nuclear program, immigration, NAFTA's impact on American

> jobs, trade deficits, etc. I had no idea who Dr. Chong is, or the

> source of these thoughts, so when I received them, I almost deleted

> them, as well-written as they are. But then I did a Google search on

> the Doctor and found him to be a retired Air Force surgeon and past

> commander of Wilford Hall Medical Center in San Antonio .'

A retired Air Force surgeon? Oh ..... and he's a practicing expert on

foreign affairs.

>

>

> If you would like to see who this fine man is, go to this Air Force web

> site and look him up:

>

> http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5000'

>

> Muslim terrorists and the U.S.A. :

> A different spin on the war in Iraq: This WAR is REAL

Sure the war is real.

George Bush illegally invaded another nation and overthrew it's leaders

WITHOUT JUST CAUSE!

>

>

> Dr.. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

>

>

> To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country

> is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it,

> that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

Overblown scare tactics/propaganda mean nothing.

>

>

> The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are

> very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer

> who realize what losing really means.

What war? Which war?

Isn't it justice IF we lose a war that was, from the very start, nothing

more than a criminal invasion?

>

>

> First, let's examine a few basics:

>

>

> 1 When did the threat to us start?

>

>

> Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer, as far as the United

> States is concerned, is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the

> following attacks on us:

> Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;

> Beirut , Lebanon Embassy 1983;

> Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;

> Lockerbie , Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;

> First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;

> Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;

> Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;

> Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;

> Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;

> New York World Trade Center 2001;

> Pentagon 2001.

>

>

> (Note: during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist

> attacks worldwide.)

Bull shit; plain and simple.

The trouble startyed whenthe United States of America (some times along with

Britain and France), decided it had the RIGHT to run the politics and

finances of other nations. we did so - NOT to the benefit of the local

people - but to the benefit of our own cor-porations and those leaders (no

matter how despicable) who supported our global colonization.

The things YOU mnetion came AFTER - and were a reaction by those "locals" to

this abuse by the United States and the leaders of their own nations.

>

>

> 2 Why were we attacked?

>

>

> Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks

> happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush

> 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or

> Democrats, as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or

> their immediate predecessor, President Ford.

This is nothing more than the outrageously lame brained crap George Bush has

been regurgitating for years!

They attacked us because WE have been buyllying them and abusing them for

generations!

>

>

> 3 Who were the attackers?

>

>

> In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

In these specific attacks, yes. There was, though, simialr attacks in south

America (for the same colonialization crap) against the United States which

"we" blamed on Castro and "Communism".

(snip irrelivent information and whining about Nazis and Jews)

>

>

> Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US , but

> kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, British, French

> or anyone else. The point here is that, just like the peaceful Germans

> were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many

> peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the

> terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing --

> by their own pronouncements

> -- killing all of us 'infidels.' I don't blame the peaceful Muslims.

> What would you do if the choice was to remain silent or be killed?

What would you do if the only two options were to get your head out of your

ass - or keep it there for an eternity?

"Two option" choices offered by limited intellects mean absolutely nothing.

>

>

> 6 So who are we at war with?

The people that WE stepped on in our efforts to control the world!

>

>

> There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the

> Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid

> verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win

> if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

Of course there is ..... but honesty is obviously NOT a part of your

propaganda game!

>

>

> So with that background, now to the two major questions:

> 1 Can we lose this war?

What war?

Which war?

>

>

> 2 What does losing really mean?

Uhhhhh....... the war was a big mistake (started with nothing more than big

lies) even when it started?

>

>

> If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions:

>

>

> We can definitely lose this war and, as anomalous as it may sound, the

> major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the

> answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

Psssst ......... the mere FACT that everything is an epensive, white

elephant LIE, in which George Bush and conservative republicans started an

insane and deranged war - means WE ALREADY LOST!

>

>

> It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means

> hanging our heads, bringing the troops home, and going on about our

> business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can

> get.

>

>

> What losing really means is:

>

>

> We would no longer be the premier country in the world.

If we are not - it is because of our own doing!

We have abused our power.

We have abused the peoeple of other nations.

We have controlled their governments and lives (only in OUR best interest).

We have (like the current batch of conservative republicans) bellowed about

morality while screwing everyone around like they were cheap whores.

Blaming everyone else for problems YOU (as an individual, or a governmental

group) created, is a strong sign of arrogance and mental corruption.

The attacks

> will not subside, but, rather, will steadily increase. Remember, they

> want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they

> would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us over

> the past 18 years. The plan was, clearly, for terrorists to attack us

> until we were neutered and submissive to them.

Bwahahaaaaaaaaaa..............

The attacks will subside when WE realy have the HONOR, Integrity, wisdom and

morality that we PRETEND to have (and bellow, to the rest of the world we do

have).

As long as we abuse other nations and their peoples to our own advantage

(and to that of our own multi-national corporations), we will make enemies.

>

>

> We would, of course, have no future support from other nations, for fear

> of reprisals and for the reason that they would see; we are impotent and

> cannot help them..

We will have no future support from other nations because:

1: As in Iraq, they recognized it was an insane action taken by a moronic,

mentally corrupt, president against a nation that NEVER did us any harm.

2: THEY know how we have screwed the people of that area (and many others);

recognizing this is the payback for the evils we did to them.

>

>

> They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will

> be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It

> doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its

> troops from Iraq . Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed

> their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they

> want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

I'm quite sure than Spain - the people and the government - would take issue

with that blatantly stupid statement.

(Snip remaining outrageously ignorant, myopic, mentally corrupt and insane

propaganda from a far right source who doesn't know his ass from a hole in

the ground.)