AK-47-TYPE GUNS ARE TURNING UP IN U.S. MORE OFTEN

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Dr. Jai Maharaj

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AK-47-Type Guns Are Turning Up in U.S. More Often

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
FOX News
Wednesday, March 26, 2008

[Caption] Feb. 29: ATF officer Carlos Baixauli holds an AK-
47 in Miami. It is fast becoming the gun-of-choice for
American street fights.

Kenner, La. - The cake had been served and the children
were jumping up and down in a big, inflatable castle when
the birthday party turned to bedlam.

Clarence McGraw's jaw dropped as he saw the visitors
coming, guns drawn. The screaming began.

Children ran everywhere in the courtyard of the low-income
apartment complex; adults fell to the ground. Bullets flew.
The killers wounded three youngsters, but for reasons
police can't explain, it was 19-year-old McGraw they were
after.

As McGraw lay in the center of the green square, the gunmen
stood over him and fired again. He was shot 15 to 20 times
in all.

The Sept. 15 killing was remarkable in that it took place
in the most innocent of settings -- the fifth birthday of
twin boys. But it was unremarkable in that one of the guns
brandished was an AK-47-type rifle -- a powerful, rapid-
fire weapon that has long been used in Third World
conflicts but is increasingly being used in American street
fights.

Figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
Explosives, obtained by The Associated Press through public
records requests, show a marked increase in the number of
AK-type weapons traced and entered into the agency's
computer database because they had been seized or connected
to a crime.

The number of such tracings rose even while the federal
assault weapons ban was in effect and has continued to
climb since its expiration.

Since 1993, the year before the ban took affect, ATF has
recorded a more than sevenfold increase in 7.62x39mm guns -
- which includes the original Russian-made AK-47 and a
variety of copycats from around the world. The number of
AK-type guns rose from 1,140 in 1993 to 8,547 last year.

Since 2005, the first full year after the ban's expiration,
ATF has recorded an 11 percent increase in such tracings.

ATF says the increases in the first half of the 1990s are
partly the result of wider usage of its weapons database by
local law enforcement agencies. But after that point, the
numbers reflect a real increase in tracings of AK-type
guns, the agency acknowledged.

The numbers corroborate what police chiefs around the
country have been saying: AKs and other so-called assault
weapons are terrorizing their communities and endangering
their officers.

The numbers are reflected in some of the most horrifying
violence of the past year, including a deadly shooting
rampage at a department store in Omaha, Neb.

They're reflected in the growing number of police forces
equipping their officers with higher-powered guns to match
the bad guys' firepower.

And they're reflected in a single 72-hour period in
September that started with the shooting of four Miami-area
officers and ended here, in a drab apartment complex just
outside New Orleans.

- - -

On Thursday, Sept. 13, Jose Somohano, a 37-year-old officer
with the Miami-Dade Police, was cut down during a traffic
stop in suburban Miami by a man with an AK-type weapon.
Three other officers -- armed, like Somohano, with just
handguns -- were wounded, one of them suffering a bullet
wound the size of a grapefruit in her leg.

By midnight, the gunman, Shawn LaBeet, had been shot to
death by police after a huge manhunt.

Police have refused to say how many times Somohano was hit
or how many shell casings were found.

The officer's wife, Elizabeth Somohano, had gone off to her
job at an insurance company earlier that day, and just
before noon, Jose's sister reached her at the office. "Have
you heard?" she asked. Something was going on in the area
Jose patrolled.

Elizabeth called his cell. She text-messaged him, over and
over. She called her kids to see if they had heard from
him. She checked the Internet to find out what was
happening, and learned that officers had been shot and a
gunman was on the loose.

A colleague of Jose's -- one of his closest friends --
called Elizabeth and told her to stay put. He showed up at
her office, and when their eyes met, he broke into tears.

"He didn't make it," he told her. She screamed.

Later, she took some comfort in knowing that her husband
had eaten lunch that day, which meant he must have seen the
hot-pink note she had slipped into his lunch bag along with
his chicken salad-on-pita sandwich: "I love you, macho
man."

Days before the ambush, Miami Police Chief John Timoney
agreed to let patrol officers carry assault rifles to help
counter the use of such weapons by criminals. John Rivera,
president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association,
pleaded for the same for officers in the Miami-Dade
department, which protects more than 1.4 million people
around the city.

"It's almost like we have water pistols," he said.

For years, only SWAT teams and the like carried AR-15s or
similarly powerful weapons. But police forces nationwide
have increased their firepower to match the criminals'
arsenal -- not only in urban areas such as Miami and Los
Angeles, but in Waterloo, Iowa, Stillwater, Okla., Danbury,
Conn., and Merced, Calif.

"We're in an arms race," said Police Chief Scott Knight of
Chaska, Minn., chairman of the firearms committee of the
International Association of Chiefs of Police.

- - -

On Friday, Sept. 14, along the Tigris River outside
Baghdad, an alleged Shiite extremist linked to roadside
bombings was taken into custody with his AK-47s and
grenades. In Afghanistan, in villages south of Kabul,
troops arrested three suspected Taliban militants and
confiscated their weapons, including their AKs. And in
Sydney, Australia, a former soldier pleaded guilty to
gunning down a photographer with an AK in a contract
killing.

With AK-47-type guns used in wars and insurrections all
over the world, some 250,000 people are said to be killed
by such weapons each year, and more than 75 million are
believed to be in existence. In Iraq alone, congressional
investigators estimate 110,000 AKs bought by the U.S. for
security forces there cannot be accounted for.

The AK was designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov and went into
production in 1947, with its name standing for Avtomat
Kalashnikova and the year.

"Once the Wall fell, these guns were everywhere," said
Carlos Baixauli, an agent with ATF.

Kalashnikov, who is now 88 and still lives in Russia, has
said he is proud of his invention but saddened it's been
used by terrorists. He said he wishes he had invented
something like a lawnmower.

Bullets fired by AK-47s travel at a higher velocity than
those from many other weapons, and can do grievous damage
to the body. Often they have enough energy to pass clear
through.

Knockoffs of the AK can be bought from legitimate gun
dealers for as little as $300, and are also available on
the street. Original Russian-made models are more
expensive. Normal ammo clips hold 30 rounds, but higher-
capacity ones are also available.

Most of the AKs on American streets are semiautomatic,
meaning they fire as fast as the gunman can squeeze the
trigger. Fully automatic ones, common on the battlefield,
require just one pull of the trigger to release a burst of
fire.

A 2004 study by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence
concluded the U.S. ban on AKs and other guns was
successful, saying in the five years before its passage,
assault weapons made up 4.82 percent of ATF crime gun
traces, compared with 1.61 percent between 1995 and 2003.

Many politicians, police chiefs and gun control advocates
point to the expiration of the assault weapons ban as a
reason for the spread of the guns. But many others argue
the law was so riddled with loopholes that it had little
effect.

The National Rifle Association says the focus must be
getting criminals off the streets, not more legislation.

"The basic reason why gun control laws fail is that they
require the cooperation of a very unlikely source, and that
is criminals," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "Each
time you pass a gun control law, the only people that are
going to be affected by that law, the only people that are
going to follow that law are law-abiding Americans."

- - -

On Saturday, Sept. 15, at the Glenwood Apartments in
Kenner, Trinioucka Martin rose early and cooked all morning
for her twin boys' birthday party -- meatballs, fried
chicken, baked macaroni, sandwiches. She had already
ordered a cake with the youngsters' picture on it, hired a
DJ, and rented the inflatable castle and house.

McGraw woke up at his aunt's house across a highway from
the apartment complex and had a hankering for something
sweet. He wanted some cake.

At the party, after the crowd had dispersed and the
officers arrived, McGraw lay dead on the ground near a
sewer grate, his torso and lower body riddled with bullet
wounds. Balloons still floated from ribbon; the "Happy
Birthday" banner still hung.

No arrests have been made. McGraw was buried in a $450
grave against a chain-link fence in a crumbling New Orleans
cemetery. The mound of dirt above his casket is littered
with rocks and bone fragments and teeth. There was no money
for a marker.

More at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341988,00.html

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"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
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> AK-47-Type Guns Are Turning Up in U.S. More Often
>
> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> FOX News
> Wednesday, March 26, 2008
>
> [Caption] Feb. 29: ATF officer Carlos Baixauli holds an AK-
> 47 in Miami. It is fast becoming the gun-of-choice for
> American street fights.
>
> Kenner, La. - The cake had been served and the children
> were jumping up and down in a big, inflatable castle when
> the birthday party turned to bedlam.
>
> Clarence McGraw's jaw dropped as he saw the visitors
> coming, guns drawn. The screaming began.
>
> Children ran everywhere in the courtyard of the low-income
> apartment complex; adults fell to the ground. Bullets flew.
> The killers wounded three youngsters, but for reasons
> police can't explain, it was 19-year-old McGraw they were
> after.
>
> As McGraw lay in the center of the green square, the gunmen
> stood over him and fired again. He was shot 15 to 20 times
> in all.
>
> The Sept. 15 killing was remarkable in that it took place
> in the most innocent of settings -- the fifth birthday of
> twin boys. But it was unremarkable in that one of the guns
> brandished was an AK-47-type rifle -- a powerful, rapid-
> fire weapon that has long been used in Third World
> conflicts but is increasingly being used in American street
> fights.
>
> Figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
> Explosives, obtained by The Associated Press through public
> records requests, show a marked increase in the number of
> AK-type weapons traced and entered into the agency's
> computer database because they had been seized or connected
> to a crime.
>
> The number of such tracings rose even while the federal
> assault weapons ban was in effect and has continued to
> climb since its expiration.
>
> Since 1993, the year before the ban took affect, ATF has
> recorded a more than sevenfold increase in 7.62x39mm guns -
> - which includes the original Russian-made AK-47 and a
> variety of copycats from around the world. The number of
> AK-type guns rose from 1,140 in 1993 to 8,547 last year.
>
> Since 2005, the first full year after the ban's expiration,
> ATF has recorded an 11 percent increase in such tracings.
>
> ATF says the increases in the first half of the 1990s are
> partly the result of wider usage of its weapons database by
> local law enforcement agencies. But after that point, the
> numbers reflect a real increase in tracings of AK-type
> guns, the agency acknowledged.
>
> The numbers corroborate what police chiefs around the
> country have been saying: AKs and other so-called assault
> weapons are terrorizing their communities and endangering
> their officers.
>
> The numbers are reflected in some of the most horrifying
> violence of the past year, including a deadly shooting
> rampage at a department store in Omaha, Neb.
>
> They're reflected in the growing number of police forces
> equipping their officers with higher-powered guns to match
> the bad guys' firepower.
>
> And they're reflected in a single 72-hour period in
> September that started with the shooting of four Miami-area
> officers and ended here, in a drab apartment complex just
> outside New Orleans.
>
> - - -
>
> On Thursday, Sept. 13, Jose Somohano, a 37-year-old officer
> with the Miami-Dade Police, was cut down during a traffic
> stop in suburban Miami by a man with an AK-type weapon.
> Three other officers -- armed, like Somohano, with just
> handguns -- were wounded, one of them suffering a bullet
> wound the size of a grapefruit in her leg.
>
> By midnight, the gunman, Shawn LaBeet, had been shot to
> death by police after a huge manhunt.
>
> Police have refused to say how many times Somohano was hit
> or how many shell casings were found.
>
> The officer's wife, Elizabeth Somohano, had gone off to her
> job at an insurance company earlier that day, and just
> before noon, Jose's sister reached her at the office. "Have
> you heard?" she asked. Something was going on in the area
> Jose patrolled.
>
> Elizabeth called his cell. She text-messaged him, over and
> over. She called her kids to see if they had heard from
> him. She checked the Internet to find out what was
> happening, and learned that officers had been shot and a
> gunman was on the loose.
>
> A colleague of Jose's -- one of his closest friends --
> called Elizabeth and told her to stay put. He showed up at
> her office, and when their eyes met, he broke into tears.
>
> "He didn't make it," he told her. She screamed.
>
> Later, she took some comfort in knowing that her husband
> had eaten lunch that day, which meant he must have seen the
> hot-pink note she had slipped into his lunch bag along with
> his chicken salad-on-pita sandwich: "I love you, macho
> man."
>
> Days before the ambush, Miami Police Chief John Timoney
> agreed to let patrol officers carry assault rifles to help
> counter the use of such weapons by criminals. John Rivera,
> president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association,
> pleaded for the same for officers in the Miami-Dade
> department, which protects more than 1.4 million people
> around the city.
>
> "It's almost like we have water pistols," he said.
>
> For years, only SWAT teams and the like carried AR-15s or
> similarly powerful weapons. But police forces nationwide
> have increased their firepower to match the criminals'
> arsenal -- not only in urban areas such as Miami and Los
> Angeles, but in Waterloo, Iowa, Stillwater, Okla., Danbury,
> Conn., and Merced, Calif.
>
> "We're in an arms race," said Police Chief Scott Knight of
> Chaska, Minn., chairman of the firearms committee of the
> International Association of Chiefs of Police.
>
> - - -
>
> On Friday, Sept. 14, along the Tigris River outside
> Baghdad, an alleged Shiite extremist linked to roadside
> bombings was taken into custody with his AK-47s and
> grenades. In Afghanistan, in villages south of Kabul,
> troops arrested three suspected Taliban militants and
> confiscated their weapons, including their AKs. And in
> Sydney, Australia, a former soldier pleaded guilty to
> gunning down a photographer with an AK in a contract
> killing.
>
> With AK-47-type guns used in wars and insurrections all
> over the world, some 250,000 people are said to be killed
> by such weapons each year, and more than 75 million are
> believed to be in existence. In Iraq alone, congressional
> investigators estimate 110,000 AKs bought by the U.S. for
> security forces there cannot be accounted for.
>
> The AK was designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov and went into
> production in 1947, with its name standing for Avtomat
> Kalashnikova and the year.
>
> "Once the Wall fell, these guns were everywhere," said
> Carlos Baixauli, an agent with ATF.
>
> Kalashnikov, who is now 88 and still lives in Russia, has
> said he is proud of his invention but saddened it's been
> used by terrorists. He said he wishes he had invented
> something like a lawnmower.
>
> Bullets fired by AK-47s travel at a higher velocity than
> those from many other weapons, and can do grievous damage
> to the body. Often they have enough energy to pass clear
> through.
>
> Knockoffs of the AK can be bought from legitimate gun
> dealers for as little as $300, and are also available on
> the street. Original Russian-made models are more
> expensive. Normal ammo clips hold 30 rounds, but higher-
> capacity ones are also available.
>
> Most of the AKs on American streets are semiautomatic,
> meaning they fire as fast as the gunman can squeeze the
> trigger. Fully automatic ones, common on the battlefield,
> require just one pull of the trigger to release a burst of
> fire.
>
> A 2004 study by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence
> concluded the U.S. ban on AKs and other guns was
> successful, saying in the five years before its passage,
> assault weapons made up 4.82 percent of ATF crime gun
> traces, compared with 1.61 percent between 1995 and 2003.
>
> Many politicians, police chiefs and gun control advocates
> point to the expiration of the assault weapons ban as a
> reason for the spread of the guns. But many others argue
> the law was so riddled with loopholes that it had little
> effect.
>
> The National Rifle Association says the focus must be
> getting criminals off the streets, not more legislation.
>
> "The basic reason why gun control laws fail is that they
> require the cooperation of a very unlikely source, and that
> is criminals," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "Each
> time you pass a gun control law, the only people that are
> going to be affected by that law, the only people that are
> going to follow that law are law-abiding Americans."
>
> - - -
>
> On Saturday, Sept. 15, at the Glenwood Apartments in
> Kenner, Trinioucka Martin rose early and cooked all morning
> for her twin boys' birthday party -- meatballs, fried
> chicken, baked macaroni, sandwiches. She had already
> ordered a cake with the youngsters' picture on it, hired a
> DJ, and rented the inflatable castle and house.
>
> McGraw woke up at his aunt's house across a highway from
> the apartment complex and had a hankering for something
> sweet. He wanted some cake.
>
> At the party, after the crowd had dispersed and the
> officers arrived, McGraw lay dead on the ground near a
> sewer grate, his torso and lower body riddled with bullet
> wounds. Balloons still floated from ribbon; the "Happy
> Birthday" banner still hung.
>
> No arrests have been made. McGraw was buried in a $450
> grave against a chain-link fence in a crumbling New Orleans
> cemetery. The mound of dirt above his casket is littered
> with rocks and bone fragments and teeth. There was no money
> for a marker.
>
> More at:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341988,00.html
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
> Om Shanti
>
> Hindu Holocaust Museum
> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
>
> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> http://www.hindu.org
> http://www.hindunet.org
>
> The truth about Islam and Muslims
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
>
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> purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may
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Yes more ****ing lies.
 
In article <ZcGdnbRdDeqEi3banZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"David Halpern" <photonicbandgap@earthlink.net> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > AK-47-Type Guns Are Turning Up in U.S. More Often
> >
> > THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> > FOX News
> > Wednesday, March 26, 2008
> >
> > [Caption] Feb. 29: ATF officer Carlos Baixauli holds an AK-
> > 47 in Miami. It is fast becoming the gun-of-choice for
> > American street fights.
> >
> > Kenner, La. - The cake had been served and the children
> > were jumping up and down in a big, inflatable castle when
> > the birthday party turned to bedlam.
> >
> > Clarence McGraw's jaw dropped as he saw the visitors
> > coming, guns drawn. The screaming began.
> >
> > Children ran everywhere in the courtyard of the low-income
> > apartment complex; adults fell to the ground. Bullets flew.
> > The killers wounded three youngsters, but for reasons
> > police can't explain, it was 19-year-old McGraw they were
> > after.
> >
> > As McGraw lay in the center of the green square, the gunmen
> > stood over him and fired again. He was shot 15 to 20 times
> > in all.
> >
> > The Sept. 15 killing was remarkable in that it took place
> > in the most innocent of settings -- the fifth birthday of
> > twin boys. But it was unremarkable in that one of the guns
> > brandished was an AK-47-type rifle -- a powerful, rapid-
> > fire weapon that has long been used in Third World
> > conflicts but is increasingly being used in American street
> > fights.
> >
> > Figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
> > Explosives, obtained by The Associated Press through public
> > records requests, show a marked increase in the number of
> > AK-type weapons traced and entered into the agency's
> > computer database because they had been seized or connected
> > to a crime.
> >
> > The number of such tracings rose even while the federal
> > assault weapons ban was in effect and has continued to
> > climb since its expiration.
> >
> > Since 1993, the year before the ban took affect, ATF has
> > recorded a more than sevenfold increase in 7.62x39mm guns -
> > - which includes the original Russian-made AK-47 and a
> > variety of copycats from around the world. The number of
> > AK-type guns rose from 1,140 in 1993 to 8,547 last year.
> >
> > Since 2005, the first full year after the ban's expiration,
> > ATF has recorded an 11 percent increase in such tracings.
> >
> > ATF says the increases in the first half of the 1990s are
> > partly the result of wider usage of its weapons database by
> > local law enforcement agencies. But after that point, the
> > numbers reflect a real increase in tracings of AK-type
> > guns, the agency acknowledged.
> >
> > The numbers corroborate what police chiefs around the
> > country have been saying: AKs and other so-called assault
> > weapons are terrorizing their communities and endangering
> > their officers.
> >
> > The numbers are reflected in some of the most horrifying
> > violence of the past year, including a deadly shooting
> > rampage at a department store in Omaha, Neb.
> >
> > They're reflected in the growing number of police forces
> > equipping their officers with higher-powered guns to match
> > the bad guys' firepower.
> >
> > And they're reflected in a single 72-hour period in
> > September that started with the shooting of four Miami-area
> > officers and ended here, in a drab apartment complex just
> > outside New Orleans.
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > On Thursday, Sept. 13, Jose Somohano, a 37-year-old officer
> > with the Miami-Dade Police, was cut down during a traffic
> > stop in suburban Miami by a man with an AK-type weapon.
> > Three other officers -- armed, like Somohano, with just
> > handguns -- were wounded, one of them suffering a bullet
> > wound the size of a grapefruit in her leg.
> >
> > By midnight, the gunman, Shawn LaBeet, had been shot to
> > death by police after a huge manhunt.
> >
> > Police have refused to say how many times Somohano was hit
> > or how many shell casings were found.
> >
> > The officer's wife, Elizabeth Somohano, had gone off to her
> > job at an insurance company earlier that day, and just
> > before noon, Jose's sister reached her at the office. "Have
> > you heard?" she asked. Something was going on in the area
> > Jose patrolled.
> >
> > Elizabeth called his cell. She text-messaged him, over and
> > over. She called her kids to see if they had heard from
> > him. She checked the Internet to find out what was
> > happening, and learned that officers had been shot and a
> > gunman was on the loose.
> >
> > A colleague of Jose's -- one of his closest friends --
> > called Elizabeth and told her to stay put. He showed up at
> > her office, and when their eyes met, he broke into tears.
> >
> > "He didn't make it," he told her. She screamed.
> >
> > Later, she took some comfort in knowing that her husband
> > had eaten lunch that day, which meant he must have seen the
> > hot-pink note she had slipped into his lunch bag along with
> > his chicken salad-on-pita sandwich: "I love you, macho
> > man."
> >
> > Days before the ambush, Miami Police Chief John Timoney
> > agreed to let patrol officers carry assault rifles to help
> > counter the use of such weapons by criminals. John Rivera,
> > president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association,
> > pleaded for the same for officers in the Miami-Dade
> > department, which protects more than 1.4 million people
> > around the city.
> >
> > "It's almost like we have water pistols," he said.
> >
> > For years, only SWAT teams and the like carried AR-15s or
> > similarly powerful weapons. But police forces nationwide
> > have increased their firepower to match the criminals'
> > arsenal -- not only in urban areas such as Miami and Los
> > Angeles, but in Waterloo, Iowa, Stillwater, Okla., Danbury,
> > Conn., and Merced, Calif.
> >
> > "We're in an arms race," said Police Chief Scott Knight of
> > Chaska, Minn., chairman of the firearms committee of the
> > International Association of Chiefs of Police.
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > On Friday, Sept. 14, along the Tigris River outside
> > Baghdad, an alleged Shiite extremist linked to roadside
> > bombings was taken into custody with his AK-47s and
> > grenades. In Afghanistan, in villages south of Kabul,
> > troops arrested three suspected Taliban militants and
> > confiscated their weapons, including their AKs. And in
> > Sydney, Australia, a former soldier pleaded guilty to
> > gunning down a photographer with an AK in a contract
> > killing.
> >
> > With AK-47-type guns used in wars and insurrections all
> > over the world, some 250,000 people are said to be killed
> > by such weapons each year, and more than 75 million are
> > believed to be in existence. In Iraq alone, congressional
> > investigators estimate 110,000 AKs bought by the U.S. for
> > security forces there cannot be accounted for.
> >
> > The AK was designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov and went into
> > production in 1947, with its name standing for Avtomat
> > Kalashnikova and the year.
> >
> > "Once the Wall fell, these guns were everywhere," said
> > Carlos Baixauli, an agent with ATF.
> >
> > Kalashnikov, who is now 88 and still lives in Russia, has
> > said he is proud of his invention but saddened it's been
> > used by terrorists. He said he wishes he had invented
> > something like a lawnmower.
> >
> > Bullets fired by AK-47s travel at a higher velocity than
> > those from many other weapons, and can do grievous damage
> > to the body. Often they have enough energy to pass clear
> > through.
> >
> > Knockoffs of the AK can be bought from legitimate gun
> > dealers for as little as $300, and are also available on
> > the street. Original Russian-made models are more
> > expensive. Normal ammo clips hold 30 rounds, but higher-
> > capacity ones are also available.
> >
> > Most of the AKs on American streets are semiautomatic,
> > meaning they fire as fast as the gunman can squeeze the
> > trigger. Fully automatic ones, common on the battlefield,
> > require just one pull of the trigger to release a burst of
> > fire.
> >
> > A 2004 study by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence
> > concluded the U.S. ban on AKs and other guns was
> > successful, saying in the five years before its passage,
> > assault weapons made up 4.82 percent of ATF crime gun
> > traces, compared with 1.61 percent between 1995 and 2003.
> >
> > Many politicians, police chiefs and gun control advocates
> > point to the expiration of the assault weapons ban as a
> > reason for the spread of the guns. But many others argue
> > the law was so riddled with loopholes that it had little
> > effect.
> >
> > The National Rifle Association says the focus must be
> > getting criminals off the streets, not more legislation.
> >
> > "The basic reason why gun control laws fail is that they
> > require the cooperation of a very unlikely source, and that
> > is criminals," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "Each
> > time you pass a gun control law, the only people that are
> > going to be affected by that law, the only people that are
> > going to follow that law are law-abiding Americans."
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > On Saturday, Sept. 15, at the Glenwood Apartments in
> > Kenner, Trinioucka Martin rose early and cooked all morning
> > for her twin boys' birthday party -- meatballs, fried
> > chicken, baked macaroni, sandwiches. She had already
> > ordered a cake with the youngsters' picture on it, hired a
> > DJ, and rented the inflatable castle and house.
> >
> > McGraw woke up at his aunt's house across a highway from
> > the apartment complex and had a hankering for something
> > sweet. He wanted some cake.
> >
> > At the party, after the crowd had dispersed and the
> > officers arrived, McGraw lay dead on the ground near a
> > sewer grate, his torso and lower body riddled with bullet
> > wounds. Balloons still floated from ribbon; the "Happy
> > Birthday" banner still hung.
> >
> > No arrests have been made. McGraw was buried in a $450
> > grave against a chain-link fence in a crumbling New Orleans
> > cemetery. The mound of dirt above his casket is littered
> > with rocks and bone fragments and teeth. There was no money
> > for a marker.
> >
> > More at:
> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341988,00.html
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
> >
> > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> > http://www.hindu.org
> > http://www.hindunet.org
> >
> > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
> >
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> Yes more ****ing lies.


How so? Just because law enforcement is pitted against
gun nuts? Look, better laws and their better enforcement leads
to a safer society.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
http://www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
 
Okay like the total gun ban in Washington D.C.? lol

Yeah real effective.

Stay in your own country if you don't like ours.
 
usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in
news:20080326IWGL699zKN63pz6b70DhXBG@Y87nA:

> The Sept. 15 killing was remarkable in that it took place
> in the most innocent of settings -- the fifth birthday of
> twin boys. But it was unremarkable in that one of the guns
> brandished was an AK-47-type rifle -- a powerful, rapid-
> fire weapon that has long been used in Third World
> conflicts but is increasingly being used in American street
> fights.


This doesn't really sound like a "street fight" to me, more like an
assassination.

> Figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
> Explosives, obtained by The Associated Press through public
> records requests, show a marked increase in the number of
> AK-type weapons traced and entered into the agency's
> computer database because they had been seized or connected
> to a crime.
>
> The number of such tracings rose even while the federal
> assault weapons ban was in effect and has continued to
> climb since its expiration.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but about that time, some politician went looking
for an AK47 to be used as a visual aid in their campaign to enact that law and
none could be found? They finally had to borrow one from a legal gun dealer.

--
"Life isn't about waiting for the storm
to pass... it's about learning to dance
in the rain."
 
On Mar 27, 1:35 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:

> > The number of such tracings rose even while the federal
> > assault weapons ban was in effect and has continued to
> > climb since its expiration.

>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but about that time, some politician went looking
> for an AK47 to be used as a visual aid in their campaign to enact that law and
> none could be found? They finally had to borrow one from a legal gun dealer.


No, not wrong. And it sure sounds (in the media propaganda lies) like
we really need to do something to halt the flood of AK-47s into this
country! Oh wait. Somehow the brainless "journalists" just "forgot"
that the import of these firearms (and the ammo for them) has been
halted from import for quite some time now. But what does the public
know? Maybe if we can get a few family members from the latest "big
splash" shooting to stand up and call for a vote on the Democrat plan
to "renew" the old "assault weapon ban" [which by the way has
absolutely nothing in common with the old law!] THEN we'd all be
safe!
 
If the criminals have AK-47s, then ever citizen should be issued
something equally effective.

You'd better forget you kumbaya fantasy world deal with reality.
 
GatherNoMoss wrote:
> If the criminals have AK-47s, then ever citizen should be issued
> something equally effective.


Issued?

Get a job, and buy yer own.
 
people are mad at those subprime mortgage brokers who got them into
impossible loans.


<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20080326IWGL699zKN63pz6b70DhXBG@Y87nA...
> AK-47-Type Guns Are Turning Up in U.S. More Often
>
> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> FOX News
> Wednesday, March 26, 2008
>
> [Caption] Feb. 29: ATF officer Carlos Baixauli holds an AK-
> 47 in Miami. It is fast becoming the gun-of-choice for
> American street fights.
>
> Kenner, La. - The cake had been served and the children
> were jumping up and down in a big, inflatable castle when
> the birthday party turned to bedlam.
>
> Clarence McGraw's jaw dropped as he saw the visitors
> coming, guns drawn. The screaming began.
>
> Children ran everywhere in the courtyard of the low-income
> apartment complex; adults fell to the ground. Bullets flew.
> The killers wounded three youngsters, but for reasons
> police can't explain, it was 19-year-old McGraw they were
> after.
>
> As McGraw lay in the center of the green square, the gunmen
> stood over him and fired again. He was shot 15 to 20 times
> in all.
>
> The Sept. 15 killing was remarkable in that it took place
> in the most innocent of settings -- the fifth birthday of
> twin boys. But it was unremarkable in that one of the guns
> brandished was an AK-47-type rifle -- a powerful, rapid-
> fire weapon that has long been used in Third World
> conflicts but is increasingly being used in American street
> fights.
>
> Figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
> Explosives, obtained by The Associated Press through public
> records requests, show a marked increase in the number of
> AK-type weapons traced and entered into the agency's
> computer database because they had been seized or connected
> to a crime.
>
> The number of such tracings rose even while the federal
> assault weapons ban was in effect and has continued to
> climb since its expiration.
>
> Since 1993, the year before the ban took affect, ATF has
> recorded a more than sevenfold increase in 7.62x39mm guns -
> - which includes the original Russian-made AK-47 and a
> variety of copycats from around the world. The number of
> AK-type guns rose from 1,140 in 1993 to 8,547 last year.
>
> Since 2005, the first full year after the ban's expiration,
> ATF has recorded an 11 percent increase in such tracings.
>
> ATF says the increases in the first half of the 1990s are
> partly the result of wider usage of its weapons database by
> local law enforcement agencies. But after that point, the
> numbers reflect a real increase in tracings of AK-type
> guns, the agency acknowledged.
>
> The numbers corroborate what police chiefs around the
> country have been saying: AKs and other so-called assault
> weapons are terrorizing their communities and endangering
> their officers.
>
> The numbers are reflected in some of the most horrifying
> violence of the past year, including a deadly shooting
> rampage at a department store in Omaha, Neb.
>
> They're reflected in the growing number of police forces
> equipping their officers with higher-powered guns to match
> the bad guys' firepower.
>
> And they're reflected in a single 72-hour period in
> September that started with the shooting of four Miami-area
> officers and ended here, in a drab apartment complex just
> outside New Orleans.
>
> - - -
>
> On Thursday, Sept. 13, Jose Somohano, a 37-year-old officer
> with the Miami-Dade Police, was cut down during a traffic
> stop in suburban Miami by a man with an AK-type weapon.
> Three other officers -- armed, like Somohano, with just
> handguns -- were wounded, one of them suffering a bullet
> wound the size of a grapefruit in her leg.
>
> By midnight, the gunman, Shawn LaBeet, had been shot to
> death by police after a huge manhunt.
>
> Police have refused to say how many times Somohano was hit
> or how many shell casings were found.
>
> The officer's wife, Elizabeth Somohano, had gone off to her
> job at an insurance company earlier that day, and just
> before noon, Jose's sister reached her at the office. "Have
> you heard?" she asked. Something was going on in the area
> Jose patrolled.
>
> Elizabeth called his cell. She text-messaged him, over and
> over. She called her kids to see if they had heard from
> him. She checked the Internet to find out what was
> happening, and learned that officers had been shot and a
> gunman was on the loose.
>
> A colleague of Jose's -- one of his closest friends --
> called Elizabeth and told her to stay put. He showed up at
> her office, and when their eyes met, he broke into tears.
>
> "He didn't make it," he told her. She screamed.
>
> Later, she took some comfort in knowing that her husband
> had eaten lunch that day, which meant he must have seen the
> hot-pink note she had slipped into his lunch bag along with
> his chicken salad-on-pita sandwich: "I love you, macho
> man."
>
> Days before the ambush, Miami Police Chief John Timoney
> agreed to let patrol officers carry assault rifles to help
> counter the use of such weapons by criminals. John Rivera,
> president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association,
> pleaded for the same for officers in the Miami-Dade
> department, which protects more than 1.4 million people
> around the city.
>
> "It's almost like we have water pistols," he said.
>
> For years, only SWAT teams and the like carried AR-15s or
> similarly powerful weapons. But police forces nationwide
> have increased their firepower to match the criminals'
> arsenal -- not only in urban areas such as Miami and Los
> Angeles, but in Waterloo, Iowa, Stillwater, Okla., Danbury,
> Conn., and Merced, Calif.
>
> "We're in an arms race," said Police Chief Scott Knight of
> Chaska, Minn., chairman of the firearms committee of the
> International Association of Chiefs of Police.
>
> - - -
>
> On Friday, Sept. 14, along the Tigris River outside
> Baghdad, an alleged Shiite extremist linked to roadside
> bombings was taken into custody with his AK-47s and
> grenades. In Afghanistan, in villages south of Kabul,
> troops arrested three suspected Taliban militants and
> confiscated their weapons, including their AKs. And in
> Sydney, Australia, a former soldier pleaded guilty to
> gunning down a photographer with an AK in a contract
> killing.
>
> With AK-47-type guns used in wars and insurrections all
> over the world, some 250,000 people are said to be killed
> by such weapons each year, and more than 75 million are
> believed to be in existence. In Iraq alone, congressional
> investigators estimate 110,000 AKs bought by the U.S. for
> security forces there cannot be accounted for.
>
> The AK was designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov and went into
> production in 1947, with its name standing for Avtomat
> Kalashnikova and the year.
>
> "Once the Wall fell, these guns were everywhere," said
> Carlos Baixauli, an agent with ATF.
>
> Kalashnikov, who is now 88 and still lives in Russia, has
> said he is proud of his invention but saddened it's been
> used by terrorists. He said he wishes he had invented
> something like a lawnmower.
>
> Bullets fired by AK-47s travel at a higher velocity than
> those from many other weapons, and can do grievous damage
> to the body. Often they have enough energy to pass clear
> through.
>
> Knockoffs of the AK can be bought from legitimate gun
> dealers for as little as $300, and are also available on
> the street. Original Russian-made models are more
> expensive. Normal ammo clips hold 30 rounds, but higher-
> capacity ones are also available.
>
> Most of the AKs on American streets are semiautomatic,
> meaning they fire as fast as the gunman can squeeze the
> trigger. Fully automatic ones, common on the battlefield,
> require just one pull of the trigger to release a burst of
> fire.
>
> A 2004 study by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence
> concluded the U.S. ban on AKs and other guns was
> successful, saying in the five years before its passage,
> assault weapons made up 4.82 percent of ATF crime gun
> traces, compared with 1.61 percent between 1995 and 2003.
>
> Many politicians, police chiefs and gun control advocates
> point to the expiration of the assault weapons ban as a
> reason for the spread of the guns. But many others argue
> the law was so riddled with loopholes that it had little
> effect.
>
> The National Rifle Association says the focus must be
> getting criminals off the streets, not more legislation.
>
> "The basic reason why gun control laws fail is that they
> require the cooperation of a very unlikely source, and that
> is criminals," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "Each
> time you pass a gun control law, the only people that are
> going to be affected by that law, the only people that are
> going to follow that law are law-abiding Americans."
>
> - - -
>
> On Saturday, Sept. 15, at the Glenwood Apartments in
> Kenner, Trinioucka Martin rose early and cooked all morning
> for her twin boys' birthday party -- meatballs, fried
> chicken, baked macaroni, sandwiches. She had already
> ordered a cake with the youngsters' picture on it, hired a
> DJ, and rented the inflatable castle and house.
>
> McGraw woke up at his aunt's house across a highway from
> the apartment complex and had a hankering for something
> sweet. He wanted some cake.
>
> At the party, after the crowd had dispersed and the
> officers arrived, McGraw lay dead on the ground near a
> sewer grate, his torso and lower body riddled with bullet
> wounds. Balloons still floated from ribbon; the "Happy
> Birthday" banner still hung.
>
> No arrests have been made. McGraw was buried in a $450
> grave against a chain-link fence in a crumbling New Orleans
> cemetery. The mound of dirt above his casket is littered
> with rocks and bone fragments and teeth. There was no money
> for a marker.
>
> More at:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341988,00.html
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
> Om Shanti
>
> Hindu Holocaust Museum
> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
>
> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> http://www.hindu.org
> http://www.hindunet.org
>
> The truth about Islam and Muslims
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
>
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>
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"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20080326Tus5A47qO0h6FVlRzwuqwHh@DcpfJ...
> In article <ZcGdnbRdDeqEi3banZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "David Halpern" <photonicbandgap@earthlink.net> posted:
>> > AK-47-Type Guns Are Turning Up in U.S. More Often

>> Yes more ****ing lies.

> How so?


There is no such thing as an "AK-47-Type" rifle.

An AK-47 is a machine gun and they have been banned for decades.

The author of the stupid article doesn't even know the difference between a
semi-automatic rifle and a machinegun.

Semi-automatic rifles that LOOK LIKE machineguns have been around for over
100 years and they're IDENTICAL to every other semi-automatic rifle.

> Look, better laws...


We alreay have that.

> and their better enforcement leads
> to a safer society.


No, not really. We basically can't detect crazy people in society until
AFTER they do something crazy.
 
"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:0c4f1f86-69fb-4646-ba8b-baa1b5813da1@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 27, 1:35 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>> > The number of such tracings rose even while the federal
>> > assault weapons ban was in effect and has continued to
>> > climb since its expiration.

>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but about that time, some politician went
>> looking
>> for an AK47 to be used as a visual aid in their campaign to enact that
>> law and
>> none could be found? They finally had to borrow one from a legal gun
>> dealer.

> No, not wrong. And it sure sounds (in the media propaganda lies) like
> we really need to do something to halt the flood of AK-47s into this
> country! Oh wait. Somehow the brainless "journalists" just "forgot"
> that the import of these firearms (and the ammo for them) has been
> halted from import for quite some time now. But what does the public
> know? Maybe if we can get a few family members from the latest "big
> splash" shooting to stand up and call for a vote on the Democrat plan
> to "renew" the old "assault weapon ban" [which by the way has
> absolutely nothing in common with the old law!] THEN we'd all be
> safe!


We'd be safer if we BANNED journalists who don't know the difference between
real machineguns and ordinary semi-automatic rifles designed to LOOK LIKE
machineguns.
 
"GatherNoMoss" <saints2060@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12fc73e4-4c81-42ac-889b-3b167ecd9386@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> If the criminals have AK-47s


They do.

> then ever citizen should be issued something equally effective.


And training.

> You'd better forget you kumbaya fantasy world deal with reality.


Bad news: Criminals have machineguns.

Good news: Criminals have little or no training.
 
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:47ec261d$0$4031$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> people are mad at those subprime mortgage brokers who got them into
> impossible loans.


Feel free to explain how subprime mortgage brokers forced them to want
something they KNEW they couldn't possibly afford.
 
"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message
news:47ecf590$0$24093$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47ec261d$0$4031$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>> people are mad at those subprime mortgage brokers who got them into
>> impossible loans.

>
> Feel free to explain how subprime mortgage brokers forced them to want
> something they KNEW they couldn't possibly afford.
>


"forced"? it is /was a con game dear. most borrowers are so eager to get
into a house they hardly know what they get into. did you know that many of
hte same charlatan mortgage brokers were thrown out from their jobs but now
have regrouped to "advise" many troubled customers on how to get out of the
loans they helped forge? america at its creative best. ak47 may have
something to do with them.
 
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:47ed2235$0$4045$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message
> news:47ecf590$0$24093$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47ec261d$0$4031$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>>> people are mad at those subprime mortgage brokers who got them into
>>> impossible loans.

>> Feel free to explain how subprime mortgage brokers forced them to want
>> something they KNEW they couldn't possibly afford.

> "forced"? it is /was a con game dear. most borrowers are so eager to get
> into a house they hardly know what they get into.


And that alleged eagerness magically caused them to lose ALL SENSE OF
REALITY?

And that alleged eagerness magically caused them to lose ALL SENSE OF
RESPONSIBILITY?

> did you know that many of hte same charlatan mortgage brokers were thrown
> out from their jobs but now have regrouped to "advise" many troubled
> customers on how to get out of the loans they helped forge? america at its
> creative best.


If they broke the law charges will be filed against them. If they're found
guilty they'll get punished. Until that happens you're smearing people you
know nothing about.

> ak47 may have something to do with them.


You don't have the 1st clue....
 
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

> How so? Just because law enforcement is pitted against gun nuts?


How exactly do you define a "gun nut??"

> Look, better laws and their better enforcement leads
> to a safer society.
>


How so? It's already illegal for them to do what they did. What
would you propose to be better?


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