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Mentally Disabled Female Suicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad,
Killing Dozens
Friday, February 01, 2008

BAGHDAD - Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded
women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars Friday, Iraqi
officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the
U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital last spring.

The chief Iraqi military spokesman in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Qassim
al-Moussawi, said the female bombers had Down syndrome and that the
explosives were detonated by remote control - indicating they may not having
been willing attackers in what could be a new method by suspected Sunni
insurgents to subvert stepped up security measures.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the use of mentally retarded women
as suicide bombers proves Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of
movements" and will strengthen Iraqi resolve to reject terrorism.

The first attack Friday occurred at about 10:20 a.m. in the central al-Ghazl
market. The weekly bazaar has been bombed several times since the war
started but recently had re-emerged as a popular place to shop and stroll as
Baghdad security improved and a Friday ban on driving was lifted.

Four police and hospital officials said at least 46 people were killed and
more than 100 wounded. Firefighters scooped up debris scattered among pools
of blood, clothing and pigeon carcasses.

About 20 minutes later, a second female suicide bomber struck a bird market
in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad. That blast killed as
many as 27 people and wounded 67, according to police and hospital
officials.

One witness who declined to be identified told AP Television News that the
woman said she had birds to sell, then blew herself up as people gathered
around to inspect them.

The attacks were the latest in a series of violent incidents that have been
chipping away at Iraqi confidence in the permanence of recent security
gains.

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said about 70 people were killed in both
attacks, which he said were committed by terrorists motivated by revenge and
"to show that they are still able to stop the march of history and of our
people toward reconciliation."

Police initially said the bomb at al-Ghazl market was hidden in a box of
birds but determined it was a suicide attack after finding the woman's head,
an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't
authorized to release the information.

Pigeon vendor Ali Ahmed, who was hit by shrapnel in his legs and chest, said
he was worried about his friend who disappeared after the blast about 40
yards away.

"I just remember the horrible scene of the bodies of dead and wounded people
mixed with the blood of animals and birds, then I found myself lying in a
hospital bed," he said.

Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye, a U.S. military spokesman, gave lower casualty
figures, saying seven were killed and 23 wounded in the first bombing, and
20 killed and 30 wounded in the second. He confirmed both attacks were
carried out by women wearing explosives vests and said the attacks appeared
to be coordinated and likely the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Associated Press records show that since the start of the war at least 151
people have been killed in at least 17 attacks or attempted attacks by
female suicide bombers, including today's bombings.

The most recent was on Jan. 16 when a female suicide bomber detonated her
explosives as Shiites were preparing for a ceremony marking the holiday of
Ashoura in a Shiite village near the Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba.

Involving women in fighting violates cultural taboos in Iraq, but the U.S.
military has warned that Al Qaeda in Iraq is recruiting females and youths
to stage suicide attacks because militants are increasingly desperate to
thwart stepped-up security measures.

Women in Iraq often wear a black Islamic robe known as an abaya and can
avoid thorough searches at checkpoints because men are not allowed to search
them and there's a dearth of female guards.

In January 2005, Iraq's interior minister said that insurgents used a
disabled child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on
election day. Police at the scene of the bombing said the child appeared to
have Down syndrome.

A bomb hidden in a box of small birds also exploded at the al-Ghazl market
in late November, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The U.S.
military blamed the November attack on Iranian-backed Shiite militants,
saying they had hoped Al Qaeda in Iraq would be held responsible for the
attack so Iraqis would turn to them for protection.

The U.S. military has been unable to stop the suicide bombings despite a
steep drop in violence in the past six months, but the explosions on Friday
were the deadliest in the capital since Aug. 1, when some 70 people were
killed in three attacks, including 50 in a fuel truck explosion in Baghdad.

Rae Muhsin, the 21-year-old owner of a cell phone store, said he was walking
toward the New Baghdad bird market in southeastern Baghdad when the blast
occurred, shattering the windows of nearby stores.

"I ran toward the bird market and saw charred pieces of flesh, small spots
of blood and several damaged cars," Muhsin said, adding he will no longer
visit the Friday market. "I thought that we had achieved real security in
Baghdad, but it turned that we were wrong."

The number of Iraqi civilians and security forces killed in January fell to
at least 609, an Associated Press tally showed, the lowest monthly death
toll since December 2005, and continuing a downward trend since the fall.
The figure as tabulated by Iraqi officials in the ministries of Defense,
Interior and Health was slightly lower, at 543.

U.S. forces, meanwhile, have expanded offensives in central and northern
Iraq, seeking to build on gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the past year.
But the latest campaigns also have driven up the military's death toll after
months of decline.

Two U.S. soldiers were killed Thursday - one by a roadside bomb in Baghdad
and another by a rocket or mortar attack on a convoy support center south of
the capital, the military reported.

The attacks raised to at least 39 the number of U.S. troops who died in
January - well above the 23 in December but still sharply lower than a year
ago. In January last year, 83 soldiers were killed in Iraq.
 
That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia! John McCain ought
to brag more about voting for the surge!


Bret Cahill



> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html
>
> Mentally Disabled Female Suicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad,
> Killing Dozens
> Friday, February 01, 2008
>
> BAGHDAD - �Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded
> women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars Friday, Iraqi
> officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the
> U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital last spring.
>
> The chief Iraqi military spokesman in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Qassim
> al-Moussawi, said the female bombers had Down syndrome and that the
> explosives were detonated by remote control - indicating they may not having
> been willing attackers in what could be a new method by suspected Sunni
> insurgents to subvert stepped up security measures.
>
> Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the use of mentally retarded women
> as suicide bombers proves Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of
> movements" and will strengthen Iraqi resolve to reject terrorism.
>
> The first attack Friday occurred at about 10:20 a.m. in the central al-Ghazl
> market. The weekly bazaar has been bombed several times since the war
> started but recently had re-emerged as a popular place to shop and stroll as
> Baghdad security improved and a Friday ban on driving was lifted.
>
> Four police and hospital officials said at least 46 people were killed and
> more than 100 wounded. Firefighters scooped up debris scattered among pools
> of blood, clothing and pigeon carcasses.
>
> About 20 minutes later, a second female suicide bomber struck a bird market
> in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad. That blast killed as
> many as 27 people and wounded 67, according to police and hospital
> officials.
>
> One witness who declined to be identified told AP Television News that the
> woman said she had birds to sell, then blew herself up as people gathered
> around to inspect them.
>
> The attacks were the latest in a series of violent incidents that have been
> chipping away at Iraqi confidence in the permanence of recent security
> gains.
>
> Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said about 70 people were killed in both
> attacks, which he said were committed by terrorists motivated by revenge and
> "to show that they are still able to stop the march of history and of our
> people toward reconciliation."
>
> Police initially said the bomb at al-Ghazl market was hidden in a box of
> birds but determined it was a suicide attack after finding the woman's head,
> an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't
> authorized to release the information.
>
> Pigeon vendor Ali Ahmed, who was hit by shrapnel in his legs and chest, said
> he was worried about his friend who disappeared after the blast about 40
> yards away.
>
> "I just remember the horrible scene of the bodies of dead and wounded people
> mixed with the blood of animals and birds, then I found myself lying in a
> hospital bed," he said.
>
> Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye, a U.S. military spokesman, gave lower casualty
> figures, saying seven were killed and 23 wounded in the first bombing, and
> 20 killed and 30 wounded in the second. He confirmed both attacks were
> carried out by women wearing explosives vests and said the attacks appeared
> to be coordinated and likely the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq.
>
> Associated Press records show that since the start of the war at least 151
> people have been killed in at least 17 attacks or attempted attacks by
> female suicide bombers, including today's bombings.
>
> The most recent was on Jan. 16 when a female suicide bomber detonated her
> explosives as Shiites were preparing for a ceremony marking the holiday of
> Ashoura in a Shiite village near the Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba.
>
> Involving women in fighting violates cultural taboos in Iraq, but the U.S.
> military has warned that Al Qaeda in Iraq is recruiting females and youths
> to stage suicide attacks because militants are increasingly desperate to
> thwart stepped-up security measures.
>
> Women in Iraq often wear a black Islamic robe known as an abaya and can
> avoid thorough searches at checkpoints because men are not allowed to search
> them and there's a dearth of female guards.
>
> In January 2005, Iraq's interior minister said that insurgents used a
> disabled child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on
> election day. Police at the scene of the bombing said the child appeared to
> have Down syndrome.
>
> A bomb hidden in a box of small birds also exploded at the al-Ghazl market
> in late November, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The U.S.
> military blamed the November attack on Iranian-backed Shiite militants,
> saying they had hoped Al Qaeda in Iraq would be held responsible for the
> attack so Iraqis would turn to them for protection.
>
> The U.S. military has been unable to stop the suicide bombings despite a
> steep drop in violence in the past six months, but the explosions on Friday
> were the deadliest in the capital since Aug. 1, when some 70 people were
> killed in three attacks, including 50 in a fuel truck explosion in Baghdad..
>
> Rae Muhsin, the 21-year-old owner of a cell phone store, said he was walking
> toward the New Baghdad bird market in southeastern Baghdad when the blast
> occurred, shattering the windows of nearby stores.
>
> "I ran toward the bird market and saw charred pieces of flesh, small spots
> of blood and several damaged cars," Muhsin said, adding he will no longer
> visit the Friday market. "I thought that we had achieved real security in
> Baghdad, but it turned that we were wrong."
>
> The number of Iraqi civilians and security forces killed in January fell to
> at least 609, an Associated Press tally showed, the lowest monthly death
> toll since December 2005, and continuing a downward trend since the fall.
> The figure as tabulated by Iraqi officials in the ministries of Defense,
> Interior and Health was slightly lower, at 543.
>
> U.S. forces, meanwhile, have expanded offensives in central and northern
> Iraq, seeking to build on gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the past year.
> But the latest campaigns also have driven up the military's death toll after
> months of decline.
>
> Two U.S. soldiers were killed Thursday - one by a roadside bomb in Baghdad
> and another by a rocket or mortar attack on a convoy support center south of
> the capital, the military reported.
>
> The attacks raised to at least 39 the number of U.S. troops who died in
> January - well above the 23 in December but still sharply lower than a year
> ago. In January last year, 83 soldiers were killed in Iraq.
 
On Feb 1, 3:53 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
> That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia! John McCain ought
> to brag more about voting for the surge!
>
> Bret Cahill
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html

>
> > Mentally Disabled Female Suicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad,
> > Killing Dozens
> > Friday, February 01, 2008

>
> > BAGHDAD - �Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded
> > women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars Friday, Iraqi
> > officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the
> > U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital last spring.

>
> > The chief Iraqi military spokesman in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Qassim
> > al-Moussawi, said the female bombers had Down syndrome and that the
> > explosives were detonated by remote control - indicating they may not having
> > been willing attackers in what could be a new method by suspected Sunni
> > insurgents to subvert stepped up security measures.

>
> > Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the use of mentally retarded women
> > as suicide bombers proves Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of
> > movements" and will strengthen Iraqi resolve to reject terrorism.

>
> > The first attack Friday occurred at about 10:20 a.m. in the central al-Ghazl
> > market. The weekly bazaar has been bombed several times since the war
> > started but recently had re-emerged as a popular place to shop and stroll as
> > Baghdad security improved and a Friday ban on driving was lifted.

>
> > Four police and hospital officials said at least 46 people were killed and
> > more than 100 wounded. Firefighters scooped up debris scattered among pools
> > of blood, clothing and pigeon carcasses.

>
> > About 20 minutes later, a second female suicide bomber struck a bird market
> > in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad. That blast killed as
> > many as 27 people and wounded 67, according to police and hospital
> > officials.

>
> > One witness who declined to be identified told AP Television News that the
> > woman said she had birds to sell, then blew herself up as people gathered
> > around to inspect them.

>
> > The attacks were the latest in a series of violent incidents that have been
> > chipping away at Iraqi confidence in the permanence of recent security
> > gains.

>
> > Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said about 70 people were killed in both
> > attacks, which he said were committed by terrorists motivated by revenge and
> > "to show that they are still able to stop the march of history and of our
> > people toward reconciliation."

>
> > Police initially said the bomb at al-Ghazl market was hidden in a box of
> > birds but determined it was a suicide attack after finding the woman's head,
> > an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't
> > authorized to release the information.

>
> > Pigeon vendor Ali Ahmed, who was hit by shrapnel in his legs and chest, said
> > he was worried about his friend who disappeared after the blast about 40
> > yards away.

>
> > "I just remember the horrible scene of the bodies of dead and wounded people
> > mixed with the blood of animals and birds, then I found myself lying in a
> > hospital bed," he said.

>
> > Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye, a U.S. military spokesman, gave lower casualty
> > figures, saying seven were killed and 23 wounded in the first bombing, and
> > 20 killed and 30 wounded in the second. He confirmed both attacks were
> > carried out by women wearing explosives vests and said the attacks appeared
> > to be coordinated and likely the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

>
> > Associated Press records show that since the start of the war at least 151
> > people have been killed in at least 17 attacks or attempted attacks by
> > female suicide bombers, including today's bombings.

>
> > The most recent was on Jan. 16 when a female suicide bomber detonated her
> > explosives as Shiites were preparing for a ceremony marking the holiday of
> > Ashoura in a Shiite village near the Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba.

>
> > Involving women in fighting violates cultural taboos in Iraq, but the U.S.
> > military has warned that Al Qaeda in Iraq is recruiting females and youths
> > to stage suicide attacks because militants are increasingly desperate to
> > thwart stepped-up security measures.

>
> > Women in Iraq often wear a black Islamic robe known as an abaya and can
> > avoid thorough searches at checkpoints because men are not allowed to search
> > them and there's a dearth of female guards.

>
> > In January 2005, Iraq's interior minister said that insurgents used a
> > disabled child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on
> > election day. Police at the scene of the bombing said the child appeared to
> > have Down syndrome.

>
> > A bomb hidden in a box of small birds also exploded at the al-Ghazl market
> > in late November, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The U.S.
> > military blamed the November attack on Iranian-backed Shiite militants,
> > saying they had hoped Al Qaeda in Iraq would be held responsible for the
> > attack so Iraqis would turn to them for protection.

>
> > The U.S. military has been unable to stop the suicide bombings despite a
> > steep drop in violence in the past six months, but the explosions on Friday
> > were the deadliest in the capital since Aug. 1, when some 70 people were
> > killed in three attacks, including 50 in a fuel truck explosion in Baghdad.

>
> > Rae Muhsin, the 21-year-old owner of a cell phone store, said he was walking
> > toward the New Baghdad bird market in southeastern Baghdad when the blast
> > occurred, shattering the windows of nearby stores.

>
> > "I ran toward the bird market and saw charred pieces of flesh, small spots
> > of blood and several damaged cars," Muhsin said, adding he will no longer
> > visit the Friday market. "I thought that we had achieved real security in
> > Baghdad, but it turned that we were wrong."

>
> > The number of Iraqi civilians and security forces killed in January fell to
> > at least 609, an Associated Press tally showed, the lowest monthly death
> > toll since December 2005, and continuing a downward trend since the fall..
> > The figure as tabulated by Iraqi officials in the ministries of Defense,
> > Interior and Health was slightly lower, at 543.

>
> > U.S. forces, meanwhile, have expanded offensives in central and northern
> > Iraq, seeking to build on gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the past year.
> > But the latest campaigns also have driven up the military's death toll after
> > months of decline.

>
> > Two U.S. soldiers were killed Thursday - one by a roadside bomb in Baghdad
> > and another by a rocket or mortar attack on a convoy support center south of
> > the capital, the military reported.

>
> > The attacks raised to at least 39 the number of U.S. troops who died in
> > January - well above the 23 in December but still sharply lower than a year
> > ago. In January last year, 83 soldiers were killed in Iraq.


I took a different view of this.

The anti-war crowd often claim that the US is responsible for the
violence in Iraq. I.E. If we had never gone there, these people
would not be violent. That somehow what we are seeing is a semi-noble
almost patriotic response to our presence (defending their turf).
They often state that this type of violence would not happen if we
stayed out of the middle east (which is the counter point to the
argument that we are fighting them over there so we dont have to deal
with this sort of thing on US soil).

However, the most recent attack displays all the more clearly that
these terrorist are the scum of the earth. They were more then
willing to use the most innocent of people (their own people) to kill
some more of their own people. Their only aim is to cause unrest.
For people willing to slaughter two women with Down's syndrome, can
you really argue that they would not attack us on US soil if they had
the opportunity?
 
On Feb 1, 5:37 pm, Michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 3:53 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia!  John McCain ought
> > to brag more about voting for the surge!

>
> > Bret Cahill

>
> > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html

>
> > > Mentally Disabled Female Suicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad,
> > > Killing Dozens
> > > Friday, February 01, 2008

>
> > > BAGHDAD - �Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded
> > > women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars Friday, Iraqi
> > > officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the
> > > U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital last spring.

>
> > > The chief Iraqi military spokesman in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Qassim
> > > al-Moussawi, said the female bombers had Down syndrome and that the
> > > explosives were detonated by remote control - indicating they may not having
> > > been willing attackers in what could be a new method by suspected Sunni
> > > insurgents to subvert stepped up security measures.

>
> > > Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the use of mentally retarded women
> > > as suicide bombers proves Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of
> > > movements" and will strengthen Iraqi resolve to reject terrorism.

>
> > > The first attack Friday occurred at about 10:20 a.m. in the central al-Ghazl
> > > market. The weekly bazaar has been bombed several times since the war
> > > started but recently had re-emerged as a popular place to shop and stroll as
> > > Baghdad security improved and a Friday ban on driving was lifted.

>
> > > Four police and hospital officials said at least 46 people were killed and
> > > more than 100 wounded. Firefighters scooped up debris scattered among pools
> > > of blood, clothing and pigeon carcasses.

>
> > > About 20 minutes later, a second female suicide bomber struck a bird market
> > > in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad. That blast killed as
> > > many as 27 people and wounded 67, according to police and hospital
> > > officials.

>
> > > One witness who declined to be identified told AP Television News that the
> > > woman said she had birds to sell, then blew herself up as people gathered
> > > around to inspect them.

>
> > > The attacks were the latest in a series of violent incidents that have been
> > > chipping away at Iraqi confidence in the permanence of recent security
> > > gains.

>
> > > Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said about 70 people were killed in both
> > > attacks, which he said were committed by terrorists motivated by revenge and
> > > "to show that they are still able to stop the march of history and of our
> > > people toward reconciliation."

>
> > > Police initially said the bomb at al-Ghazl market was hidden in a box of
> > > birds but determined it was a suicide attack after finding the woman's head,
> > > an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't
> > > authorized to release the information.

>
> > > Pigeon vendor Ali Ahmed, who was hit by shrapnel in his legs and chest, said
> > > he was worried about his friend who disappeared after the blast about 40
> > > yards away.

>
> > > "I just remember the horrible scene of the bodies of dead and wounded people
> > > mixed with the blood of animals and birds, then I found myself lying in a
> > > hospital bed," he said.

>
> > > Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye, a U.S. military spokesman, gave lower casualty
> > > figures, saying seven were killed and 23 wounded in the first bombing, and
> > > 20 killed and 30 wounded in the second. He confirmed both attacks were
> > > carried out by women wearing explosives vests and said the attacks appeared
> > > to be coordinated and likely the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

>
> > > Associated Press records show that since the start of the war at least 151
> > > people have been killed in at least 17 attacks or attempted attacks by
> > > female suicide bombers, including today's bombings.

>
> > > The most recent was on Jan. 16 when a female suicide bomber detonated her
> > > explosives as Shiites were preparing for a ceremony marking the holiday of
> > > Ashoura in a Shiite village near the Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba.

>
> > > Involving women in fighting violates cultural taboos in Iraq, but the U.S.
> > > military has warned that Al Qaeda in Iraq is recruiting females and youths
> > > to stage suicide attacks because militants are increasingly desperate to
> > > thwart stepped-up security measures.

>
> > > Women in Iraq often wear a black Islamic robe known as an abaya and can
> > > avoid thorough searches at checkpoints because men are not allowed to search
> > > them and there's a dearth of female guards.

>
> > > In January 2005, Iraq's interior minister said that insurgents used a
> > > disabled child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on
> > > election day. Police at the scene of the bombing said the child appeared to
> > > have Down syndrome.

>
> > > A bomb hidden in a box of small birds also exploded at the al-Ghazl market
> > > in late November, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The U.S.
> > > military blamed the November attack on Iranian-backed Shiite militants,
> > > saying they had hoped Al Qaeda in Iraq would be held responsible for the
> > > attack so Iraqis would turn to them for protection.

>
> > > The U.S. military has been unable to stop the suicide bombings despite a
> > > steep drop in violence in the past six months, but the explosions on Friday
> > > were the deadliest in the capital since Aug. 1, when some 70 people were
> > > killed in three attacks, including 50 in a fuel truck explosion in Baghdad.

>
> > > Rae Muhsin, the 21-year-old owner of a cell phone store, said he was walking
> > > toward the New Baghdad bird market in southeastern Baghdad when the blast
> > > occurred, shattering the windows of nearby stores.

>
> > > "I ran toward the bird market and saw charred pieces of flesh, small spots
> > > of blood and several damaged cars," Muhsin said, adding he will no longer
> > > visit the Friday market. "I thought that we had achieved real security in
> > > Baghdad, but it turned that we were wrong."

>
> > > The number of Iraqi civilians and security forces killed in January fell to
> > > at least 609, an Associated Press tally showed, the lowest monthly death
> > > toll since December 2005, and continuing a downward trend since the fall.
> > > The figure as tabulated by Iraqi officials in the ministries of Defense,
> > > Interior and Health was slightly lower, at 543.

>
> > > U.S. forces, meanwhile, have expanded offensives in central and northern
> > > Iraq, seeking to build on gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the past year.
> > > But the latest campaigns also have driven up the military's death toll after
> > > months of decline.

>
> > > Two U.S. soldiers were killed Thursday - one by a roadside bomb in Baghdad
> > > and another by a rocket or mortar attack on a convoy support center south of
> > > the capital, the military reported.

>
> > > The attacks raised to at least 39 the number of U.S. troops who died in
> > > January - well above the 23 in December but still sharply lower than a year
> > > ago. In January last year, 83 soldiers were killed in Iraq.

>
> I took a different view of this.
>
> The anti-war crowd often claim that the US is responsible for the
> violence in Iraq.  I.E.  If we had never gone there, these people
> would not be violent.  That somehow what we are seeing is a semi-noble
> almost patriotic response to our presence (defending their turf).
> They often state that this type of violence would not happen if we
> stayed out of the middle east (which is the counter point to the
> argument that we are fighting them over there so we dont have to deal
> with this sort of thing on US soil).
>
> However, the most recent attack displays all the more clearly that
> these terrorist are the scum of the earth.  They were more then
> willing to use the most innocent of people (their own people) to kill
> some more of their own people.  Their only aim is to cause unrest.
> For people willing to slaughter two women with Down's syndrome, can
> you really argue that they would not attack us on US soil if they had
> the opportunity?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I concur with your insight of this.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Here's some bitter thoughts from me, because I am pisssed that Israel
is continually bashed for inhumanity & callousness.

I saw many awful pictures yesterday in a leftist anti-Iraq war sheet
that strongly, unrelentingly suggests zionism is murderous satanic
wretchedness.

Meanwhile also yesterday, 91 people are arbitrarily, heinously
murdered, and I perceive it is the continuing absurd reality that the
story doesn't make it into the mass media nor street gossip exchanges
of many/most Middle Eastern cities.

If I'm wrong with this hasty perception, then I shall readily
acknowledge it.

Go ahead, and try to prove me wrong: Show me where, how completely,
and/or if this truly miserable, very ugly incident is reported.

Apparently the Arabic-Persian mass media are green-lighted to offend
zionist Jews period.

I'm not surprised by demagogical chicken-shitt propaganda.
 
On Feb 1, 2:37 pm, Michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 3:53 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia!  John McCain ought
> > to brag more about voting for the surge!

>
> > Bret Cahill

>
> > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html

>
> > > Mentally Disabled Female Suicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad,
> > > Killing Dozens
> > > Friday, February 01, 2008

>
> > > BAGHDAD - �Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded
> > > women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars Friday, Iraqi
> > > officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the
> > > U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital last spring.

>
> > > The chief Iraqi military spokesman in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Qassim
> > > al-Moussawi, said the female bombers had Down syndrome and that the
> > > explosives were detonated by remote control - indicating they may not having
> > > been willing attackers in what could be a new method by suspected Sunni
> > > insurgents to subvert stepped up security measures.

>
> > > Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the use of mentally retarded women
> > > as suicide bombers proves Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of
> > > movements" and will strengthen Iraqi resolve to reject terrorism.

>
> > > The first attack Friday occurred at about 10:20 a.m. in the central al-Ghazl
> > > market. The weekly bazaar has been bombed several times since the war
> > > started but recently had re-emerged as a popular place to shop and stroll as
> > > Baghdad security improved and a Friday ban on driving was lifted.

>
> > > Four police and hospital officials said at least 46 people were killed and
> > > more than 100 wounded. Firefighters scooped up debris scattered among pools
> > > of blood, clothing and pigeon carcasses.

>
> > > About 20 minutes later, a second female suicide bomber struck a bird market
> > > in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad. That blast killed as
> > > many as 27 people and wounded 67, according to police and hospital
> > > officials.

>
> > > One witness who declined to be identified told AP Television News that the
> > > woman said she had birds to sell, then blew herself up as people gathered
> > > around to inspect them.

>
> > > The attacks were the latest in a series of violent incidents that have been
> > > chipping away at Iraqi confidence in the permanence of recent security
> > > gains.

>
> > > Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said about 70 people were killed in both
> > > attacks, which he said were committed by terrorists motivated by revenge and
> > > "to show that they are still able to stop the march of history and of our
> > > people toward reconciliation."

>
> > > Police initially said the bomb at al-Ghazl market was hidden in a box of
> > > birds but determined it was a suicide attack after finding the woman's head,
> > > an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't
> > > authorized to release the information.

>
> > > Pigeon vendor Ali Ahmed, who was hit by shrapnel in his legs and chest, said
> > > he was worried about his friend who disappeared after the blast about 40
> > > yards away.

>
> > > "I just remember the horrible scene of the bodies of dead and wounded people
> > > mixed with the blood of animals and birds, then I found myself lying in a
> > > hospital bed," he said.

>
> > > Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye, a U.S. military spokesman, gave lower casualty
> > > figures, saying seven were killed and 23 wounded in the first bombing, and
> > > 20 killed and 30 wounded in the second. He confirmed both attacks were
> > > carried out by women wearing explosives vests and said the attacks appeared
> > > to be coordinated and likely the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

>
> > > Associated Press records show that since the start of the war at least 151
> > > people have been killed in at least 17 attacks or attempted attacks by
> > > female suicide bombers, including today's bombings.

>
> > > The most recent was on Jan. 16 when a female suicide bomber detonated her
> > > explosives as Shiites were preparing for a ceremony marking the holiday of
> > > Ashoura in a Shiite village near the Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba.

>
> > > Involving women in fighting violates cultural taboos in Iraq, but the U.S.
> > > military has warned that Al Qaeda in Iraq is recruiting females and youths
> > > to stage suicide attacks because militants are increasingly desperate to
> > > thwart stepped-up security measures.

>
> > > Women in Iraq often wear a black Islamic robe known as an abaya and can
> > > avoid thorough searches at checkpoints because men are not allowed to search
> > > them and there's a dearth of female guards.

>
> > > In January 2005, Iraq's interior minister said that insurgents used a
> > > disabled child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on
> > > election day. Police at the scene of the bombing said the child appeared to
> > > have Down syndrome.

>
> > > A bomb hidden in a box of small birds also exploded at the al-Ghazl market
> > > in late November, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The U.S.
> > > military blamed the November attack on Iranian-backed Shiite militants,
> > > saying they had hoped Al Qaeda in Iraq would be held responsible for the
> > > attack so Iraqis would turn to them for protection.

>
> > > The U.S. military has been unable to stop the suicide bombings despite a
> > > steep drop in violence in the past six months, but the explosions on Friday
> > > were the deadliest in the capital since Aug. 1, when some 70 people were
> > > killed in three attacks, including 50 in a fuel truck explosion in Baghdad.

>
> > > Rae Muhsin, the 21-year-old owner of a cell phone store, said he was walking
> > > toward the New Baghdad bird market in southeastern Baghdad when the blast
> > > occurred, shattering the windows of nearby stores.

>
> > > "I ran toward the bird market and saw charred pieces of flesh, small spots
> > > of blood and several damaged cars," Muhsin said, adding he will no longer
> > > visit the Friday market. "I thought that we had achieved real security in
> > > Baghdad, but it turned that we were wrong."

>
> > > The number of Iraqi civilians and security forces killed in January fell to
> > > at least 609, an Associated Press tally showed, the lowest monthly death
> > > toll since December 2005, and continuing a downward trend since the fall.
> > > The figure as tabulated by Iraqi officials in the ministries of Defense,
> > > Interior and Health was slightly lower, at 543.

>
> > > U.S. forces, meanwhile, have expanded offensives in central and northern
> > > Iraq, seeking to build on gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the past year.
> > > But the latest campaigns also have driven up the military's death toll after
> > > months of decline.

>
> > > Two U.S. soldiers were killed Thursday - one by a roadside bomb in Baghdad
> > > and another by a rocket or mortar attack on a convoy support center south of
> > > the capital, the military reported.

>
> > > The attacks raised to at least 39 the number of U.S. troops who died in
> > > January - well above the 23 in December but still sharply lower than a year
> > > ago. In January last year, 83 soldiers were killed in Iraq.

>
> I took a different view of this.
>
> The anti-war crowd often claim that the US is responsible for the
> violence in Iraq.  I.E.  If we had never gone there, these people
> would not be violent.  That somehow what we are seeing is a semi-noble
> almost patriotic response to our presence (defending their turf).
> They often state that this type of violence would not happen if we
> stayed out of the middle east (which is the counter point to the
> argument that we are fighting them over there so we dont have to deal
> with this sort of thing on US soil).
>
> However, the most recent attack displays all the more clearly that
> these terrorist are the scum of the earth.  They were more then
> willing to use the most innocent of people (their own people) to kill
> some more of their own people.  Their only aim is to cause unrest.
> For people willing to slaughter two women with Down's syndrome, can
> you really argue that they would not attack us on US soil if they had
> the opportunity?-


But this doesn't eliminate the "situational influences" just by
justifiably mentioning "dispositional influences." The old saying
about "bad apples" needs to be updated with the idea of the state of
the "barrel" [bad barrel]. Some situations can create monsters from
good people, this without much personal blame or responsibility.

....just the right dose of certain social situations can transform
ordinarily good people into evildoers, as was the case with Iraqi
prisoner abusers at Abu Ghraib, argued former APA president Philip G.
Zimbardo, PhD, in a presidential-track program during APA's 2004
Annual Convention in Honolulu.

Indeed, Zimbardo--an emeritus psychology professor at Stanford
University--highlighted how this Dr. Hyde transformation occurred
among U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib by presenting classic psychology
research on situational effects on human behavior.

Zimbardo, who will be an expert witness for several of the U.S.
soldiers on trial, argued that situations pull people to act in ways
they never thought imaginable.

"That line between good and evil is permeable," Zimbardo said. "Any of
us can move across it....I argue that we all have the capacity for
love and evil--to be Mother Theresa, to be Hitler or Saddam Hussein.
It's the situation that brings that out."

Seduced into evil

In fact, the classic electric shock experiment by social psychologist
Stanley Milgram, PhD, showed that when...

http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct04/goodbad.html
http://www.lucifereffect.com/about.htm
 
"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:d07a8777-32bd-476a-858c-40cee7ef134d@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia! John McCain ought
>to brag more about voting for the surge!


We killed their best trained commandos.

We killed the barely-graduated commandos.

We killed the almost-graduated commandos.

We killed their eager volunteers.

We killed their found-standing-on-the-corner volunteers.

We killed the insane relatives of all of the above.

All they have left is retards.

Yes. McAmnesty should make immediate apologies for being a lying liberal
Democrat, endorse Mitt, quit, and then brag like a Mexican locked in a Taco
Bell overnight about how successful the Surge has been!
 
"Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hal.i.burton-A24E06.21184401022008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <47a38189$0$17350$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html
>> Mentally Disabled...

> they're using Hillary suppoorters?


bwahahahahahahah!!!!
 
You're easily amused.

So are our cats.

You gutless f ck.




"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message
news:47a4cd15$0$1088$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hal.i.burton-A24E06.21184401022008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <47a38189$0$17350$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html
> >> Mentally Disabled...

> > they're using Hillary suppoorters?

>
> bwahahahahahahah!!!!
>
>
 
So when can the Troops come home???


"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message
news:47a4cb7b$0$1115$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:d07a8777-32bd-476a-858c-40cee7ef134d@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia! John McCain ought
> >to brag more about voting for the surge!

>
> We killed their best trained commandos.
>
> We killed the barely-graduated commandos.
>
> We killed the almost-graduated commandos.
>
> We killed their eager volunteers.
>
> We killed their found-standing-on-the-corner volunteers.
>
> We killed the insane relatives of all of the above.
>
> All they have left is retards.
>
> Yes. McAmnesty should make immediate apologies for being a lying liberal
> Democrat, endorse Mitt, quit, and then brag like a Mexican locked in a

Taco
> Bell overnight about how successful the Surge has been!
>
>
 
In article <DOednSuBpNC-TjnanZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote:

> You're easily amused.



You're easily trolled.


> So are our cats.



Your cats don't like you.


> You gutless f ck.



You ****less gut.
 
"robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:DOednSuBpNC-TjnanZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> You gutless f ck.


We KNOW who the GUTLESS one is, its YOU:

Patriot Games:
>Jan 31 2007, 6:09 pm
>Newsgroups: alt.politics
>From: "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com>
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:09:43 GMT
>Local: Wed, Jan 31 2007 6:09 pm
>Subject: Re: Why??
>"robw" <noddy...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:pM-dnQx4yP0hjF3YnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Blow it out your ass you gutless twat.
>> I called you out and you bailed.

>I'm leaving tomorrow morning, bitch.
>Be there by noon. Meet you in front of Holt's.
>Don't forget to bring your shine box.

=====================================
Patriot Games
>Feb 1 2007, 2:06 pm
>Newsgroups: alt.politics
>From: "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com>
>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:06:31 GMT
>Local: Thurs, Feb 1 2007 2:06 pm
>Subject: Re: Why??
>"robw" <noddy...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:DYCdnYDpG_iToFzYnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> What is "Holt's"??

>I waited nearly 3 hours!!
>Holt's Cigar Company
>1522 Walnut St
>Philadelphia, PA 19102-3601
>215-732-8500
>I told the manager to give you a $2 tip but only if your brought your shine
>box, boy.
>I was there. You weren't.
>*****.
 
Naw, that would be you.

When you getting some more cigars???


"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message
news:47a71adf$0$30687$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:DOednSuBpNC-TjnanZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > You gutless f ck.

>
> We KNOW who the GUTLESS one is, its YOU:
>
> Patriot Games:
> >Jan 31 2007, 6:09 pm
> >Newsgroups: alt.politics
> >From: "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com>
> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:09:43 GMT
> >Local: Wed, Jan 31 2007 6:09 pm
> >Subject: Re: Why??
> >"robw" <noddy...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:pM-dnQx4yP0hjF3YnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Blow it out your ass you gutless twat.
> >> I called you out and you bailed.

> >I'm leaving tomorrow morning, bitch.
> >Be there by noon. Meet you in front of Holt's.
> >Don't forget to bring your shine box.

> =====================================
> Patriot Games
> >Feb 1 2007, 2:06 pm
> >Newsgroups: alt.politics
> >From: "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com>
> >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:06:31 GMT
> >Local: Thurs, Feb 1 2007 2:06 pm
> >Subject: Re: Why??
> >"robw" <noddy...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:DYCdnYDpG_iToFzYnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> What is "Holt's"??

> >I waited nearly 3 hours!!
> >Holt's Cigar Company
> >1522 Walnut St
> >Philadelphia, PA 19102-3601
> >215-732-8500
> >I told the manager to give you a $2 tip but only if your brought your

shine
> >box, boy.
> >I was there. You weren't.
> >*****.

>
 
On Feb 1, 10:50 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2:37 pm, Michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 3:53 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

>
> > > That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia! John McCain ought
> > > to brag more about voting for the surge!

>
> > > Bret Cahill

>
> > > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html

>
> > > > Mentally Disabled Female Suicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad,
> > > > Killing Dozens
> > > > Friday, February 01, 2008

>
> > > > BAGHDAD - �Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded
> > > > women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars Friday, Iraqi
> > > > officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the
> > > > U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital last spring.

>
> > > > The chief Iraqi military spokesman in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Qassim
> > > > al-Moussawi, said the female bombers had Down syndrome and that the
> > > > explosives were detonated by remote control - indicating they may not having
> > > > been willing attackers in what could be a new method by suspected Sunni
> > > > insurgents to subvert stepped up security measures.

>
> > > > Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the use of mentally retarded women
> > > > as suicide bombers proves Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of
> > > > movements" and will strengthen Iraqi resolve to reject terrorism.

>
> > > > The first attack Friday occurred at about 10:20 a.m. in the central al-Ghazl
> > > > market. The weekly bazaar has been bombed several times since the war
> > > > started but recently had re-emerged as a popular place to shop and stroll as
> > > > Baghdad security improved and a Friday ban on driving was lifted.

>
> > > > Four police and hospital officials said at least 46 people were killed and
> > > > more than 100 wounded. Firefighters scooped up debris scattered among pools
> > > > of blood, clothing and pigeon carcasses.

>
> > > > About 20 minutes later, a second female suicide bomber struck a bird market
> > > > in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad. That blast killed as
> > > > many as 27 people and wounded 67, according to police and hospital
> > > > officials.

>
> > > > One witness who declined to be identified told AP Television News that the
> > > > woman said she had birds to sell, then blew herself up as people gathered
> > > > around to inspect them.

>
> > > > The attacks were the latest in a series of violent incidents that have been
> > > > chipping away at Iraqi confidence in the permanence of recent security
> > > > gains.

>
> > > > Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said about 70 people were killed in both
> > > > attacks, which he said were committed by terrorists motivated by revenge and
> > > > "to show that they are still able to stop the march of history and of our
> > > > people toward reconciliation."

>
> > > > Police initially said the bomb at al-Ghazl market was hidden in a box of
> > > > birds but determined it was a suicide attack after finding the woman's head,
> > > > an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't
> > > > authorized to release the information.

>
> > > > Pigeon vendor Ali Ahmed, who was hit by shrapnel in his legs and chest, said
> > > > he was worried about his friend who disappeared after the blast about 40
> > > > yards away.

>
> > > > "I just remember the horrible scene of the bodies of dead and wounded people
> > > > mixed with the blood of animals and birds, then I found myself lying in a
> > > > hospital bed," he said.

>
> > > > Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye, a U.S. military spokesman, gave lower casualty
> > > > figures, saying seven were killed and 23 wounded in the first bombing, and
> > > > 20 killed and 30 wounded in the second. He confirmed both attacks were
> > > > carried out by women wearing explosives vests and said the attacks appeared
> > > > to be coordinated and likely the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

>
> > > > Associated Press records show that since the start of the war at least 151
> > > > people have been killed in at least 17 attacks or attempted attacks by
> > > > female suicide bombers, including today's bombings.

>
> > > > The most recent was on Jan. 16 when a female suicide bomber detonated her
> > > > explosives as Shiites were preparing for a ceremony marking the holiday of
> > > > Ashoura in a Shiite village near the Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba.

>
> > > > Involving women in fighting violates cultural taboos in Iraq, but the U.S.
> > > > military has warned that Al Qaeda in Iraq is recruiting females and youths
> > > > to stage suicide attacks because militants are increasingly desperate to
> > > > thwart stepped-up security measures.

>
> > > > Women in Iraq often wear a black Islamic robe known as an abaya and can
> > > > avoid thorough searches at checkpoints because men are not allowed to search
> > > > them and there's a dearth of female guards.

>
> > > > In January 2005, Iraq's interior minister said that insurgents used a
> > > > disabled child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on
> > > > election day. Police at the scene of the bombing said the child appeared to
> > > > have Down syndrome.

>
> > > > A bomb hidden in a box of small birds also exploded at the al-Ghazl market
> > > > in late November, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The U.S.
> > > > military blamed the November attack on Iranian-backed Shiite militants,
> > > > saying they had hoped Al Qaeda in Iraq would be held responsible for the
> > > > attack so Iraqis would turn to them for protection.

>
> > > > The U.S. military has been unable to stop the suicide bombings despite a
> > > > steep drop in violence in the past six months, but the explosions on Friday
> > > > were the deadliest in the capital since Aug. 1, when some 70 people were
> > > > killed in three attacks, including 50 in a fuel truck explosion in Baghdad.

>
> > > > Rae Muhsin, the 21-year-old owner of a cell phone store, said he was walking
> > > > toward the New Baghdad bird market in southeastern Baghdad when the blast
> > > > occurred, shattering the windows of nearby stores.

>
> > > > "I ran toward the bird market and saw charred pieces of flesh, small spots
> > > > of blood and several damaged cars," Muhsin said, adding he will no longer
> > > > visit the Friday market. "I thought that we had achieved real security in
> > > > Baghdad, but it turned that we were wrong."

>
> > > > The number of Iraqi civilians and security forces killed in January fell to
> > > > at least 609, an Associated Press tally showed, the lowest monthly death
> > > > toll since December 2005, and continuing a downward trend since the fall.
> > > > The figure as tabulated by Iraqi officials in the ministries of Defense,
> > > > Interior and Health was slightly lower, at 543.

>
> > > > U.S. forces, meanwhile, have expanded offensives in central and northern
> > > > Iraq, seeking to build on gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the past year.
> > > > But the latest campaigns also have driven up the military's death toll after
> > > > months of decline.

>
> > > > Two U.S. soldiers were killed Thursday - one by a roadside bomb in Baghdad
> > > > and another by a rocket or mortar attack on a convoy support center south of
> > > > the capital, the military reported.

>
> > > > The attacks raised to at least 39 the number of U.S. troops who died in
> > > > January - well above the 23 in December but still sharply lower than a year
> > > > ago. In January last year, 83 soldiers were killed in Iraq.

>
> > I took a different view of this.

>
> > The anti-war crowd often claim that the US is responsible for the
> > violence in Iraq. I.E. If we had never gone there, these people
> > would not be violent. That somehow what we are seeing is a semi-noble
> > almost patriotic response to our presence (defending their turf).
> > They often state that this type of violence would not happen if we
> > stayed out of the middle east (which is the counter point to the
> > argument that we are fighting them over there so we dont have to deal
> > with this sort of thing on US soil).

>
> > However, the most recent attack displays all the more clearly that
> > these terrorist are the scum of the earth. They were more then
> > willing to use the most innocent of people (their own people) to kill
> > some more of their own people. Their only aim is to cause unrest.
> > For people willing to slaughter two women with Down's syndrome, can
> > you really argue that they would not attack us on US soil if they had
> > the opportunity?-

>
> But this doesn't eliminate the "situational influences" just by
> justifiably mentioning "dispositional influences." The old saying
> about "bad apples" needs to be updated with the idea of the state of
> the "barrel" [bad barrel]. Some situations can create monsters from
> good people, this without much personal blame or responsibility.
>
> ....just the right dose of certain social situations can transform
> ordinarily good people into evildoers, as was the case with Iraqi
> prisoner abusers at Abu Ghraib, argued former APA president Philip G.
> Zimbardo, PhD, in a presidential-track program during APA's 2004
> Annual Convention in Honolulu.
>
> Indeed, Zimbardo--an emeritus psychology professor at Stanford
> University--highlighted how this Dr. Hyde transformation occurred
> among U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib by presenting classic psychology
> research on situational effects on human behavior.
>
> Zimbardo, who will be an expert witness for several of the U.S.
> soldiers on trial, argued that situations pull people to act in ways
> they never thought imaginable.
>
> "That line between good and evil is permeable," Zimbardo said. "Any of
> us can move across it....I argue that we all have the capacity for
> love and evil--to be Mother Theresa, to be Hitler or Saddam Hussein.
> It's the situation that brings that out."
>
> Seduced into evil
>
> In fact, the classic electric shock experiment by social psychologist
> Stanley Milgram, PhD, showed that when...
>
> http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct04/goodbad.htmlhttp://www.lucifereffect.com/about.htm


I have a different world outlook. If someone is "moderately" good
most of the time and then (under special circumstance) commits
unspeakable evil, I see them as an evil person who masquerades as a
good person (not the other way around). I don't see any circumstances
where I would strap bombs onto two innocent/helpless people and then
send then out among other innocent people and then remotely detonate
those bombs.
This requires an evil heart/soul/inner sense of no redeemable value.
More to the point, can anyone really say that given such hatred these
people would not attack us here in the US if given the chance?
 
According to a _NY Times_ writer this may turn out to be another lie
to make it look like the surge is working.

After all the lies that have been spread by the corp. media we should
have been on our toes.

Shame on us all!


Bret Cahill



> That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia!  John McCain ought
> to brag more about voting for the surge!


> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html

>
> > Mentally Disabled Female Suicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad,
> > Killing Dozens
> > Friday, February 01, 2008

>
> > BAGHDAD - �Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded
> > women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars Friday, Iraqi
> > officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the
> > U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital last spring.

>
> > The chief Iraqi military spokesman in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Qassim
> > al-Moussawi, said the female bombers had Down syndrome and that the
> > explosives were detonated by remote control - indicating they may not having
> > been willing attackers in what could be a new method by suspected Sunni
> > insurgents to subvert stepped up security measures.

>
> > Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the use of mentally retarded women
> > as suicide bombers proves Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of
> > movements" and will strengthen Iraqi resolve to reject terrorism.

>
> > The first attack Friday occurred at about 10:20 a.m. in the central al-Ghazl
> > market. The weekly bazaar has been bombed several times since the war
> > started but recently had re-emerged as a popular place to shop and stroll as
> > Baghdad security improved and a Friday ban on driving was lifted.

>
> > Four police and hospital officials said at least 46 people were killed and
> > more than 100 wounded. Firefighters scooped up debris scattered among pools
> > of blood, clothing and pigeon carcasses.

>
> > About 20 minutes later, a second female suicide bomber struck a bird market
> > in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad. That blast killed as
> > many as 27 people and wounded 67, according to police and hospital
> > officials.

>
> > One witness who declined to be identified told AP Television News that the
> > woman said she had birds to sell, then blew herself up as people gathered
> > around to inspect them.

>
> > The attacks were the latest in a series of violent incidents that have been
> > chipping away at Iraqi confidence in the permanence of recent security
> > gains.

>
> > Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said about 70 people were killed in both
> > attacks, which he said were committed by terrorists motivated by revenge and
> > "to show that they are still able to stop the march of history and of our
> > people toward reconciliation."

>
> > Police initially said the bomb at al-Ghazl market was hidden in a box of
> > birds but determined it was a suicide attack after finding the woman's head,
> > an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't
> > authorized to release the information.

>
> > Pigeon vendor Ali Ahmed, who was hit by shrapnel in his legs and chest, said
> > he was worried about his friend who disappeared after the blast about 40
> > yards away.

>
> > "I just remember the horrible scene of the bodies of dead and wounded people
> > mixed with the blood of animals and birds, then I found myself lying in a
> > hospital bed," he said.

>
> > Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye, a U.S. military spokesman, gave lower casualty
> > figures, saying seven were killed and 23 wounded in the first bombing, and
> > 20 killed and 30 wounded in the second. He confirmed both attacks were
> > carried out by women wearing explosives vests and said the attacks appeared
> > to be coordinated and likely the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

>
> > Associated Press records show that since the start of the war at least 151
> > people have been killed in at least 17 attacks or attempted attacks by
> > female suicide bombers, including today's bombings.

>
> > The most recent was on Jan. 16 when a female suicide bomber detonated her
> > explosives as Shiites were preparing for a ceremony marking the holiday of
> > Ashoura in a Shiite village near the Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba.

>
> > Involving women in fighting violates cultural taboos in Iraq, but the U.S.
> > military has warned that Al Qaeda in Iraq is recruiting females and youths
> > to stage suicide attacks because militants are increasingly desperate to
> > thwart stepped-up security measures.

>
> > Women in Iraq often wear a black Islamic robe known as an abaya and can
> > avoid thorough searches at checkpoints because men are not allowed to search
> > them and there's a dearth of female guards.

>
> > In January 2005, Iraq's interior minister said that insurgents used a
> > disabled child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on
> > election day. Police at the scene of the bombing said the child appeared to
> > have Down syndrome.

>
> > A bomb hidden in a box of small birds also exploded at the al-Ghazl market
> > in late November, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The U.S.
> > military blamed the November attack on Iranian-backed Shiite militants,
> > saying they had hoped Al Qaeda in Iraq would be held responsible for the
> > attack so Iraqis would turn to them for protection.

>
> > The U.S. military has been unable to stop the suicide bombings despite a
> > steep drop in violence in the past six months, but the explosions on Friday
> > were the deadliest in the capital since Aug. 1, when some 70 people were
> > killed in three attacks, including 50 in a fuel truck explosion in Baghdad.

>
> > Rae Muhsin, the 21-year-old owner of a cell phone store, said he was walking
> > toward the New Baghdad bird market in southeastern Baghdad when the blast
> > occurred, shattering the windows of nearby stores.

>
> > "I ran toward the bird market and saw charred pieces of flesh, small spots
> > of blood and several damaged cars," Muhsin said, adding he will no longer
> > visit the Friday market. "I thought that we had achieved real security in
> > Baghdad, but it turned that we were wrong."

>
> > The number of Iraqi civilians and security forces killed in January fell to
> > at least 609, an Associated Press tally showed, the lowest monthly death
> > toll since December 2005, and continuing a downward trend since the fall..
> > The figure as tabulated by Iraqi officials in the ministries of Defense,
> > Interior and Health was slightly lower, at 543.

>
> > U.S. forces, meanwhile, have expanded offensives in central and northern
> > Iraq, seeking to build on gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the past year.
> > But the latest campaigns also have driven up the military's death toll after
> > months of decline.

>
> > Two U.S. soldiers were killed Thursday - one by a roadside bomb in Baghdad
> > and another by a rocket or mortar attack on a convoy support center south of
> > the capital, the military reported.

>
> > The attacks raised to at least 39 the number of U.S. troops who died in
> > January - well above the 23 in December but still sharply lower than a year
> > ago. In January last year, 83 soldiers were killed in Iraq.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -
 
"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4d20b8a0-b6bd-4c9d-ba20-d60eee7f2fc2@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>According to a _NY Times_ writer this may turn out to be another lie
>to make it look like the surge is working.
>After all the lies that have been spread by the corp. media we should
>have been on our toes.
>Shame on us all!


Let's save the shame until we have a CITE...
 
> >According to a _NY Times_ writer this may turn out to be another lie
> >to make it look like the surge is working.
> >After all the lies that have been spread by the corp. media we should
> >have been on our toes.
> >Shame on us all!


> Let's save the shame until we have a CITE...


After the November election every newspaper will blast in 400 pt type:

HILLARY IN LARGEST LANDSLIDE EVER

or

CLINTON BY 18 POINTS

or

GOP RIP

and rightards will be demanding cites.


Bret Cahill
 
"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:89ff61af-5f18-47b7-b020-a6848967496e@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >According to a _NY Times_ writer this may turn out to be another lie
>> >to make it look like the surge is working.
>> >After all the lies that have been spread by the corp. media we should
>> >have been on our toes.
>> >Shame on us all!

>> Let's save the shame until we have a CITE...

> After the November election every newspaper will blast in 400 pt type:
> HILLARY IN LARGEST LANDSLIDE EVER
> or CLINTON BY 18 POINTS
> or GOP RIP
> and rightards will be demanding cites.


Translation: You made it up. You got caught. Now you're trying to hide.
 
On Feb 2, 8:37 am, Michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 1, 3:53 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > That surge is turning Iraq into a regular utopia!  John McCain ought
> > to brag more about voting for the surge!

>
> > Bret Cahill

>
> > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327445,00.html

>
> > > Mentally Disabled Female Suicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad,
> > > Killing Dozens
> > > Friday, February 01, 2008

>
> > > BAGHDAD - �Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded
> > > women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars Friday, Iraqi
> > > officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the
> > > U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital last spring.

>
> > > The chief Iraqi military spokesman in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Qassim
> > > al-Moussawi, said the female bombers had Down syndrome and that the
> > > explosives were detonated by remote control - indicating they may not having
> > > been willing attackers in what could be a new method by suspected Sunni
> > > insurgents to subvert stepped up security measures.

>
> > > Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the use of mentally retarded women
> > > as suicide bombers proves Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of
> > > movements" and will strengthen Iraqi resolve to reject terrorism.

>
> > > The first attack Friday occurred at about 10:20 a.m. in the central al-Ghazl
> > > market. The weekly bazaar has been bombed several times since the war
> > > started but recently had re-emerged as a popular place to shop and stroll as
> > > Baghdad security improved and a Friday ban on driving was lifted.

>
> > > Four police and hospital officials said at least 46 people were killed and
> > > more than 100 wounded. Firefighters scooped up debris scattered among pools
> > > of blood, clothing and pigeon carcasses.

>
> > > About 20 minutes later, a second female suicide bomber struck a bird market
> > > in a predominantly Shiite area in southeastern Baghdad. That blast killed as
> > > many as 27 people and wounded 67, according to police and hospital
> > > officials.

>
> > > One witness who declined to be identified told AP Television News that the
> > > woman said she had birds to sell, then blew herself up as people gathered
> > > around to inspect them.

>
> > > The attacks were the latest in a series of violent incidents that have been
> > > chipping away at Iraqi confidence in the permanence of recent security
> > > gains.

>
> > > Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said about 70 people were killed in both
> > > attacks, which he said were committed by terrorists motivated by revenge and
> > > "to show that they are still able to stop the march of history and of our
> > > people toward reconciliation."

>
> > > Police initially said the bomb at al-Ghazl market was hidden in a box of
> > > birds but determined it was a suicide attack after finding the woman's head,
> > > an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't
> > > authorized to release the information.

>
> > > Pigeon vendor Ali Ahmed, who was hit by shrapnel in his legs and chest, said
> > > he was worried about his friend who disappeared after the blast about 40
> > > yards away.

>
> > > "I just remember the horrible scene of the bodies of dead and wounded people
> > > mixed with the blood of animals and birds, then I found myself lying in a
> > > hospital bed," he said.

>
> > > Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye, a U.S. military spokesman, gave lower casualty
> > > figures, saying seven were killed and 23 wounded in the first bombing, and
> > > 20 killed and 30 wounded in the second. He confirmed both attacks were
> > > carried out by women wearing explosives vests and said the attacks appeared
> > > to be coordinated and likely the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

>
> > > Associated Press records show that since the start of the war at least 151
> > > people have been killed in at least 17 attacks or attempted attacks by
> > > female suicide bombers, including today's bombings.

>
> > > The most recent was on Jan. 16 when a female suicide bomber detonated her
> > > explosives as Shiites were preparing for a ceremony marking the holiday of
> > > Ashoura in a Shiite village near the Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba.

>
> > > Involving women in fighting violates cultural taboos in Iraq, but the U.S.
> > > military has warned that Al Qaeda in Iraq is recruiting females and youths
> > > to stage suicide attacks because militants are increasingly desperate to
> > > thwart stepped-up security measures.

>
> > > Women in Iraq often wear a black Islamic robe known as an abaya and can
> > > avoid thorough searches at checkpoints because men are not allowed to search
> > > them and there's a dearth of female guards.

>
> > > In January 2005, Iraq's interior minister said that insurgents used a
> > > disabled child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on
> > > election day. Police at the scene of the bombing said the child appeared to
> > > have Down syndrome.

>
> > > A bomb hidden in a box of small birds also exploded at the al-Ghazl market
> > > in late November, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The U.S.
> > > military blamed the November attack on Iranian-backed Shiite militants,
> > > saying they had hoped Al Qaeda in Iraq would be held responsible for the
> > > attack so Iraqis would turn to them for protection.

>
> > > The U.S. military has been unable to stop the suicide bombings despite a
> > > steep drop in violence in the past six months, but the explosions on Friday
> > > were the deadliest in the capital since Aug. 1, when some 70 people were
> > > killed in three attacks, including 50 in a fuel truck explosion in Baghdad.

>
> > > Rae Muhsin, the 21-year-old owner of a cell phone store, said he was walking
> > > toward the New Baghdad bird market in southeastern Baghdad when the blast
> > > occurred, shattering the windows of nearby stores.

>
> > > "I ran toward the bird market and saw charred pieces of flesh, small spots
> > > of blood and several damaged cars," Muhsin said, adding he will no longer
> > > visit the Friday market. "I thought that we had achieved real security in
> > > Baghdad, but it turned that we were wrong."

>
> > > The number of Iraqi civilians and security forces killed in January fell to
> > > at least 609, an Associated Press tally showed, the lowest monthly death
> > > toll since December 2005, and continuing a downward trend since the fall.
> > > The figure as tabulated by Iraqi officials in the ministries of Defense,
> > > Interior and Health was slightly lower, at 543.

>
> > > U.S. forces, meanwhile, have expanded offensives in central and northern
> > > Iraq, seeking to build on gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the past year.
> > > But the latest campaigns also have driven up the military's death toll after
> > > months of decline.

>
> > > Two U.S. soldiers were killed Thursday - one by a roadside bomb in Baghdad
> > > and another by a rocket or mortar attack on a convoy support center south of
> > > the capital, the military reported.

>
> > > The attacks raised to at least 39 the number of U.S. troops who died in
> > > January - well above the 23 in December but still sharply lower than a year
> > > ago. In January last year, 83 soldiers were killed in Iraq.

>
> I took a different view of this.
>
> The anti-war crowd often claim that the US is responsible for the
> violence in Iraq.  I.E.  If we had never gone there, these people
> would not be violent.  That somehow what we are seeing is a semi-noble
> almost patriotic response to our presence (defending their turf).
> They often state that this type of violence would not happen if we
> stayed out of the middle east (which is the counter point to the
> argument that we are fighting them over there so we dont have to deal
> with this sort of thing on US soil).
>
> However, the most recent attack displays all the more clearly that
> these terrorist are the scum of the earth.  They were more then
> willing to use the most innocent of people (their own people) to kill
> some more of their own people.  Their only aim is to cause unrest.
> For people willing to slaughter two women with Down's syndrome, can
> you really argue that they would not attack us on US soil if they had
> the opportunity?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


When I hear the reference to "their own people" I often wonder if
aliens really do exist.

No matter how beautiful the body, arseholes are arseholes, and every
body has their share, even "their people".

No wonder the mind boggles!!!

BOfL
 
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