American Cancer Society attacks Giuliani

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Jim Alder

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Here's an interesting cheap shot at Giuliani this morning.

He compares the US health care with English socialized medicine. He spits
out some stats about his prostate cancer and the ACS steps up and cries
'unfair'! Rudy said his survival chances were 82% versus 44% in England. The
ACS fires back saying it was 95%/60% for five years. Of course, Rudy didn't
say 5 years and the ACS didn't specify it was for a man his age. Plus the ACS
included the entire UK, while Rudy said England.
So his point, that in England his chances were much lower, was drowned out
in the process, as planned. "Critics" claimed Giuliani 'distorted' the
comparison because American men were more likely to be screened regularly.
This would seem to bear out Rudy's point. If socialized medicine is so
great, why don't men get screened as often as American men? The article
doesn't say, as if it is a mere fact of life and doesn't bear scrutiny.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21603503/

Critics say Giuliani distorted cancer stats
Critics say ad campaign understates, distorts statistics for U.S. and England
The Associated Press
updated 7:56 p.m. ET, Fri., Nov. 2, 2007

WASHINGTON - Rudy Giuliani is defending the survival rates he quotes when
talking about his prostate cancer, amid criticism he understates the figures
and makes unfair comparisons.

In a radio ad running this week in New Hampshire, Giuliani says: "My chance of
surviving prostate cancer, and thank God I was cured of it, in the United
States: 82 percent. My chances of surviving prostate cancer in England: only
44 percent under socialized medicine."

The American Cancer Society says the survival rates are actually higher and it
is misleading to compare the two countries.

Regardless, Giuliani said Friday, his point is clear.

"Even if you want to quibble about the statistics, you find me the person who
leaves the United States and goes to England for prostate cancer treatment,
and I'd like to meet that person," he told reporters in Washington.

The American Cancer Society says five-year survival rates were 95 percent in
the U.S. and 60 percent in the United Kingdom, which includes Britain, in
1993-1995, the most recent time period with data to compare.

Rates are even higher today
 
"Jim Alder" <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99E8783E34027jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142...
> Here's an interesting cheap shot at Giuliani this morning.
>
> He compares the US health care with English socialized medicine. He
> spits
> out some stats about his prostate cancer and the ACS steps up and cries
> 'unfair'! Rudy said his survival chances were 82% versus 44% in England.
> The
> ACS fires back saying it was 95%/60% for five years. Of course, Rudy
> didn't
> say 5 years and the ACS didn't specify it was for a man his age. Plus the
> ACS
> included the entire UK, while Rudy said England.
> So his point, that in England his chances were much lower, was drowned
> out
> in the process, as planned. "Critics" claimed Giuliani 'distorted' the
> comparison because American men were more likely to be screened regularly.
> This would seem to bear out Rudy's point. If socialized medicine is so
> great, why don't men get screened as often as American men? The article
> doesn't say, as if it is a mere fact of life and doesn't bear scrutiny.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21603503/
>
> Critics say Giuliani distorted cancer stats
> Critics say ad campaign understates, distorts statistics for U.S. and
> England



If that's true, then THAT'S you cheap shot. Of course, we
know republicans NEVER distort stats, don't we?
WS
 
On Nov 14, 11:49 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
> Here's an interesting cheap shot at Giuliani this morning.
>
> He compares the US health care with English socialized medicine. He spits
> out some stats about his prostate cancer and the ACS steps up and cries
> 'unfair'! Rudy said his survival chances were 82% versus 44% in England. The
> ACS fires back saying it was 95%/60% for five years. Of course, Rudy didn't
> say 5 years and the ACS didn't specify it was for a man his age. Plus the ACS
> included the entire UK, while Rudy said England.
> So his point, that in England his chances were much lower, was drowned out
> in the process, as planned. "Critics" claimed Giuliani 'distorted' the
> comparison because American men were more likely to be screened regularly.
> This would seem to bear out Rudy's point. If socialized medicine is so
> great, why don't men get screened as often as American men? The article
> doesn't say, as if it is a mere fact of life and doesn't bear scrutiny.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21603503/
>


Typical right wing attempt to shift the blame. Rudi Baby lied. Not
all that uncommon but he did lie and the American Cancer Society
called him out on it. If Rudi wants this to end then he should admit
the obvious, he lied, apologize and end it. If he wants a fight the
ACS is not the opponent he wants to face.
 
"Jim Alder" <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in message
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> Here's an interesting cheap shot at Giuliani this morning.


JulieAnnie never had cancer.
 
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:49:13 -0600, Jim Alder
<jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:

> Here's an interesting cheap shot at Giuliani this morning.



Here's a better one, ALDERLOON

SNICKER

>===============================================


Prepare to laugh.......

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Jim Alder wrote:
> Here's an interesting cheap shot at Giuliani this morning.
>
> He compares the US health care with English socialized medicine. He spits
> out some stats about his prostate cancer and the ACS steps up and cries
> 'unfair'! Rudy said his survival chances were 82% versus 44% in England. The
> ACS fires back saying it was 95%/60% for five years. Of course, Rudy didn't
> say 5 years and the ACS didn't specify it was for a man his age. Plus the ACS
> included the entire UK, while Rudy said England.
> So his point, that in England his chances were much lower, was drowned out
> in the process, as planned. "Critics" claimed Giuliani 'distorted' the
> comparison because American men were more likely to be screened regularly.
> This would seem to bear out Rudy's point. If socialized medicine is so
> great, why don't men get screened as often as American men? The article
> doesn't say, as if it is a mere fact of life and doesn't bear scrutiny.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21603503/
>
> Critics say Giuliani distorted cancer stats
> Critics say ad campaign understates, distorts statistics for U.S. and England
> The Associated Press
> updated 7:56 p.m. ET, Fri., Nov. 2, 2007
>


British men were significantly less likely to be screened for prostate
cancer because they chose not to be screened. There is and was a big
stigma relating to anal exams of any sort in the UK - this is why their
rectum cancer rates are higher also.

The UK also has a blood test for prostate cancer that is 100% accurate,
something the US doesn't have.

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I give you; the idiocy that is the Left.

Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Rudy said his survival chances were 82% versus 44% in England.

>
> And Rudy's HMO is..?


"W Spilman" <b@man.com> wrote in news:473b4d24$0$15325
$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

>> Critics say Giuliani distorted cancer stats
>> Critics say ad campaign understates, distorts statistics for U.S. and
>> England

>
> If that's true, then THAT'S you cheap shot. Of course, we
> know republicans NEVER distort stats, don't we?


Anybody even know what this idiot means?

"Shitting on Pugs" <BushMental iIllness@WH.net> wrote:

>> Here's an interesting cheap shot at Giuliani this morning.

>
> JulieAnnie never had cancer.


There you have it. The hat trick of leftwing kneejerk hate. Morons one and
all.

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that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter
 
zzpat <zzpatrick@gmail.com> wrote in news:fhg0bk22a79@enews4.newsguy.com:

> Jim Alder wrote:
>> Here's an interesting cheap shot at Giuliani this morning.
>>
>> He compares the US health care with English socialized medicine. He

spits
>> out some stats about his prostate cancer and the ACS steps up and cries
>> 'unfair'! Rudy said his survival chances were 82% versus 44% in England.

The
>> ACS fires back saying it was 95%/60% for five years. Of course, Rudy didn't
>> say 5 years and the ACS didn't specify it was for a man his age. Plus the

ACS
>> included the entire UK, while Rudy said England.
>> So his point, that in England his chances were much lower, was drowned

out
>> in the process, as planned. "Critics" claimed Giuliani 'distorted' the
>> comparison because American men were more likely to be screened regularly.
>> This would seem to bear out Rudy's point. If socialized medicine is so
>> great, why don't men get screened as often as American men? The article
>> doesn't say, as if it is a mere fact of life and doesn't bear scrutiny.
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21603503/
>>
>> Critics say Giuliani distorted cancer stats
>> Critics say ad campaign understates, distorts statistics for U.S. and

England
>> The Associated Press
>> updated 7:56 p.m. ET, Fri., Nov. 2, 2007
>>

>
> British men were significantly less likely to be screened for prostate
> cancer because they chose not to be screened. There is and was a big
> stigma relating to anal exams of any sort in the UK - this is why their
> rectum cancer rates are higher also.
>
> The UK also has a blood test for prostate cancer that is 100% accurate,
> something the US doesn't have.


Is it just me, or does your second paragraph belie your first? If they
have a 100% accurate test for prostate cancer, there's really no need to avoid
the stigma of having a man give you the finger. So to speak.

And if they have such a test, how can we not also have it? Language
barrier? Certainly not lack of interest.



--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter
 
"Jim Alder" <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in message
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>I give you; the idiocy that is the Left.


Image that? A Bush lover calling someone an idiot, hahahahahahahahaha.
 
"Torquemata" <BushMental iIllness@WH.net> wrote in news:3rS_i.45698$eY.35224
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:

>
> "Jim Alder" <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99E8C0DF81C6Bjimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142...
>>I give you; the idiocy that is the Left.

>
> Image that? A Bush lover calling someone an idiot, hahahahahahahahaha.


Hmmm. An idiot who can't even spell 'imagine' laughing at someone else.
Imagine that.

--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter
 
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:40:05 -0600, Jim Alder
<jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:

> Hmmm. An idiot who can't even spell 'imagine' laughing at someone else.
>Imagine that.



Speaking of laughter............

>===============================================


Prepare to laugh.......

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"Jim Alder" <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Torquemata" <BushMental iIllness@WH.net> wrote in
> news:3rS_i.45698$eY.35224
> @newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:
>
>>
>> "Jim Alder" <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns99E8C0DF81C6Bjimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142...
>>>I give you; the idiocy that is the Left.

>>
>> Image that? A Bush lover calling someone an idiot, hahahahahahahahaha.

>
> Hmmm. An idiot who can't even spell 'imagine' laughing at someone else.
> Imagine that.
>
> --
> President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
> that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
> provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter


I looked up idiot on the net -- it sent me here ---- http://www.jimalder.com
 
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