Analysis: Oil from shale could meet need

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Analysis: Oil from shale could meet need
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/85170.html

WASHINGTON, July 20 Technology to draw oil from rock in Rocky Mountain
states and other unconventional sources is getting another look from
companies and the government as the demand for energy increases and
supply tightens, especially in the United States.

Oil was more than $78 per barrel Friday, nearing an all-time high.
According to a National Petroleum Council report, commissioned by U.S.
Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman and released this week, demand will
exceed supply by 13 million barrels per day by 2030.

One potential major source of domestic oil is found in shale rock in
Colorado, Utah and Wyoming. Interest and experiments rose and fell
with the oil price spikes during the 1970s to early 1980s and have
risen once again.

"It's an enormous resource," said Daniel I. Fine, an MIT research
affiliate. The area was protected for the future with the creation of
the Naval Petroleum and Oil Shale Reserve in 1912. "It was understood
that one day we would use it at a time when the technology and
economics would be right," Fine added.

The oil found in these rocks is called kerogen, organic matter
containing hydrocarbons that must be converted to oil and gas. It's
unclear how much oil may eventually be produced, but the United States
holds 60 percent of the world's shale.

On-site experiments to heat and extract the kerogen are starting on
160-acre tracks leased by the Bureau of Land Management. The 10-year
research development & demonstration leases are intended "to test and
demonstrate what are considered state of the art methods of recovering
shale oil," BLM spokeswoman Heather Feeney said. They can be converted
to commercial leases for oil shale after demonstrating commercial
production capacity and a BLM review.

Shell is probably the leader in the field, said Jeremy Boak, project
manager for the Colorado Energy Research Institute at the Colorado
School of Mines. Shell expects to extract from 3.5 to 5 barrels for
each barrel of energy used, Boak said, by heating the rocks
underground for three or four years, after which the oil seeps through
cracks so it can be pumped out. It's relatively efficient, he
explained, because it partially refines the kerogen underground and
brings it to the surface as fuels requiring little processing:
naphtha, diesel and kerosene.

Chevron has partnered with the Los Alamos National Laboratory to
recover oil from shale formations in Colorado's Piceance Basin. Fine
explained that it will use explosives underground to fractionate the
shale, then inject a critical fuel, which creates a hot gas and allows
extraction. The need for water and on-site production will have a
heavy impact on the environment, however.

Raytheon, known for numerous military technologies, has developed the
use of radio frequency, or RF, technology with contributions from
partner Critical Fluids Technologies.

John Cogliandro, program manager for Raytheon's oil from shale
technologies program, said the new technology is powerful and
environmentally responsible. Since it doesn't use steam or heat the
actual rock, there's no residue that might enter groundwater supplies,
he said.

RF heats much more uniformly and quickly through radiation that
targets the hydrocarbon molecules. Cogliandro added that critical
fluids release and move the oil, so that the oil seeps through cracks
in the shale and is pumped to the surface.

Fine said Raytheon's technology is an advance over earlier microwave
feasibility tests -- dating back to the 1980s -- because it heats the
shale rock more quickly and it is easier to control while deploying
smaller, cost-effective equipment.

Global Resource Corp. uses microwaves to extract oil from shale. While
previous microwave tests didn't experiment with different wavelengths,
GRC is using a continuing microwave system with variable frequencies.
Operating in a vacuum, the microwave frequencies gasify, then condense
the hydrocarbons, which turn into gas and liquid oil, said a GRC
spokesman.

GRC is using the technology to reinvigorate older wells as well as
draw oil from tires, petroleum-based plastics and automobile shredder
residue. The company has patent-pending numbers for seven different
technologies, and both the U.S. Energy Department and the state of
Pennsylvania have given GRC a capped well for experimentation.

GRC CEO Frank Pringle said interest is growing, despite skepticism
about the technology: "I know what my process can accomplish, but
there's a lot of prejudice against us."

Raytheon is seeking to license its know-how to energy companies that
are better able to apply the technology in the field. Oil companies
experimenting with shale have shown significant interest in Raytheon's
technique, but Cogliandro doesn't think they'll abandon current
approaches.

"You'll see a lot of pilot projects out in the field being tested.
They are going to find where certain technologies work best and then
they'll analyze the economics of each," Cogliandro said.

Cogliandro has also received samples of oil sands, or "heavies," from
Oklahoma and Texas on which to test the technology. Raytheon's methods
had been tried successfully with Canada's tar sands and should work
with the heavier oil sands, he said.

Both Raytheon and GRC say their technologies use one barrel of oil's
worth of energy to produce 4.5 barrels of shale oil compared to one
barrel for 3.5 barrels using older methods.

Boak said these technologies will have to prove how they can do as
well or better than the newest techniques in the field.

"The big question for shale oil and heavy oil processing is how far
you can make those waves reach out into the rock," said Boak. He
emphasized the importance of field tests given the uncertainty in
geological formations. GRC said the microwaves can be used as far down
as can be drilled.

If the technology leads to commercial viability, only limited
investment in refinery extensions and pipeline spurs will be needed
because the industry can make use of existing regional refineries.


--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
On Jul 21, 11:09 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
> Analysis: Oil from shale could meet needhttp://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/85170.html
>
> WASHINGTON, July 20 Technology to draw oil from rock in Rocky Mountain
> states and other unconventional sources is getting another look from
> companies and the government as the demand for energy increases and
> supply tightens, especially in the United States.
>
> Oil was more than $78 per barrel Friday, nearing an all-time high.
> According to a National Petroleum Council report, commissioned by U.S.
> Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman and released this week, demand will
> exceed supply by 13 million barrels per day by 2030.
>
> One potential major source of domestic oil is found in shale rock in
> Colorado, Utah and Wyoming. Interest and experiments rose and fell
> with the oil price spikes during the 1970s to early 1980s and have
> risen once again.
>
> "It's an enormous resource," said Daniel I. Fine, an MIT research
> affiliate. The area was protected for the future with the creation of
> the Naval Petroleum and Oil Shale Reserve in 1912. "It was understood
> that one day we would use it at a time when the technology and
> economics would be right," Fine added.
>
> The oil found in these rocks is called kerogen, organic matter
> containing hydrocarbons that must be converted to oil and gas. It's
> unclear how much oil may eventually be produced, but the United States
> holds 60 percent of the world's shale.
>
> On-site experiments to heat and extract the kerogen are starting on
> 160-acre tracks leased by the Bureau of Land Management. The 10-year
> research development & demonstration leases are intended "to test and
> demonstrate what are considered state of the art methods of recovering
> shale oil," BLM spokeswoman Heather Feeney said. They can be converted
> to commercial leases for oil shale after demonstrating commercial
> production capacity and a BLM review.
>
> Shell is probably the leader in the field, said Jeremy Boak, project
> manager for the Colorado Energy Research Institute at the Colorado
> School of Mines. Shell expects to extract from 3.5 to 5 barrels for
> each barrel of energy used, Boak said, by heating the rocks
> underground for three or four years, after which the oil seeps through
> cracks so it can be pumped out. It's relatively efficient, he
> explained, because it partially refines the kerogen underground and
> brings it to the surface as fuels requiring little processing:
> naphtha, diesel and kerosene.
>
> Chevron has partnered with the Los Alamos National Laboratory to
> recover oil from shale formations in Colorado's Piceance Basin. Fine
> explained that it will use explosives underground to fractionate the
> shale, then inject a critical fuel, which creates a hot gas and allows
> extraction. The need for water and on-site production will have a
> heavy impact on the environment, however.
>
> Raytheon, known for numerous military technologies, has developed the
> use of radio frequency, or RF, technology with contributions from
> partner Critical Fluids Technologies.
>
> John Cogliandro, program manager for Raytheon's oil from shale
> technologies program, said the new technology is powerful and
> environmentally responsible. Since it doesn't use steam or heat the
> actual rock, there's no residue that might enter groundwater supplies,
> he said.
>
> RF heats much more uniformly and quickly through radiation that
> targets the hydrocarbon molecules. Cogliandro added that critical
> fluids release and move the oil, so that the oil seeps through cracks
> in the shale and is pumped to the surface.
>
> Fine said Raytheon's technology is an advance over earlier microwave
> feasibility tests -- dating back to the 1980s -- because it heats the
> shale rock more quickly and it is easier to control while deploying
> smaller, cost-effective equipment.
>
> Global Resource Corp. uses microwaves to extract oil from shale. While
> previous microwave tests didn't experiment with different wavelengths,
> GRC is using a continuing microwave system with variable frequencies.
> Operating in a vacuum, the microwave frequencies gasify, then condense
> the hydrocarbons, which turn into gas and liquid oil, said a GRC
> spokesman.
>
> GRC is using the technology to reinvigorate older wells as well as
> draw oil from tires, petroleum-based plastics and automobile shredder
> residue. The company has patent-pending numbers for seven different
> technologies, and both the U.S. Energy Department and the state of
> Pennsylvania have given GRC a capped well for experimentation.
>
> GRC CEO Frank Pringle said interest is growing, despite skepticism
> about the technology: "I know what my process can accomplish, but
> there's a lot of prejudice against us."
>
> Raytheon is seeking to license its know-how to energy companies that
> are better able to apply the technology in the field. Oil companies
> experimenting with shale have shown significant interest in Raytheon's
> technique, but Cogliandro doesn't think they'll abandon current
> approaches.
>
> "You'll see a lot of pilot projects out in the field being tested.
> They are going to find where certain technologies work best and then
> they'll analyze the economics of each," Cogliandro said.
>
> Cogliandro has also received samples of oil sands, or "heavies," from
> Oklahoma and Texas on which to test the technology. Raytheon's methods
> had been tried successfully with Canada's tar sands and should work
> with the heavier oil sands, he said.
>
> Both Raytheon and GRC say their technologies use one barrel of oil's
> worth of energy to produce 4.5 barrels of shale oil compared to one
> barrel for 3.5 barrels using older methods.
>
> Boak said these technologies will have to prove how they can do as
> well or better than the newest techniques in the field.
>
> "The big question for shale oil and heavy oil processing is how far
> you can make those waves reach out into the rock," said Boak. He
> emphasized the importance of field tests given the uncertainty in
> geological formations. GRC said the microwaves can be used as far down
> as can be drilled.
>
> If the technology leads to commercial viability, only limited
> investment in refinery extensions and pipeline spurs will be needed
> because the industry can make use of existing regional refineries.
>
> --
> There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
> the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
> cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
>
> Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
> on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
> with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
> are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
> me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
>
> Joseph R. Darancette
> dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net





Extracting oil from shale requires about 3,000 gallons of water per
barrel of oil.

Please tell me where that water is coming from in the dry plateaus of
Wyoming?
 
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:aai5a31p0lvv0aqh27iubqst2d3kdob7nj@4ax.com...
> Analysis: Oil from shale could meet need


From
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/04/MNGIEKV0D41.DTL

The Energy Department has forecast oil-shale production of 2 million barrels
a day by 2020 and eventually 10 million barrels a day.

As a result, the report said, the industry could become a major producer of
the greenhouse gases that are linked to global warming.

"The spooky thing is how much power will be needed for the oil shale," said
Cook, the county commissioner.

O'Connor said Shell estimates that the energy value of the oil produced
would be about 3.5 times greater than the energy in the electricity used to
produce it, though he declined to provide details. Udall said such a result
would be achievable only with the most expensive, rarely used natural-gas
generating technology. Conventional coal-fired power plants would reduce the
net power return to about 2 to 1, he said.


> http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/85170.html
>
> WASHINGTON, July 20 Technology to draw oil from rock in Rocky Mountain
> states and other unconventional sources is getting another look from
> companies and the government as the demand for energy increases and
> supply tightens, especially in the United States.
>
> Oil was more than $78 per barrel Friday, nearing an all-time high.
> According to a National Petroleum Council report, commissioned by U.S.
> Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman and released this week, demand will
> exceed supply by 13 million barrels per day by 2030.
>
> One potential major source of domestic oil is found in shale rock in
> Colorado, Utah and Wyoming. Interest and experiments rose and fell
> with the oil price spikes during the 1970s to early 1980s and have
> risen once again.
>
> "It's an enormous resource," said Daniel I. Fine, an MIT research
> affiliate. The area was protected for the future with the creation of
> the Naval Petroleum and Oil Shale Reserve in 1912. "It was understood
> that one day we would use it at a time when the technology and
> economics would be right," Fine added.
>
> The oil found in these rocks is called kerogen, organic matter
> containing hydrocarbons that must be converted to oil and gas. It's
> unclear how much oil may eventually be produced, but the United States
> holds 60 percent of the world's shale.
>
> On-site experiments to heat and extract the kerogen are starting on
> 160-acre tracks leased by the Bureau of Land Management. The 10-year
> research development & demonstration leases are intended "to test and
> demonstrate what are considered state of the art methods of recovering
> shale oil," BLM spokeswoman Heather Feeney said. They can be converted
> to commercial leases for oil shale after demonstrating commercial
> production capacity and a BLM review.
>
> Shell is probably the leader in the field, said Jeremy Boak, project
> manager for the Colorado Energy Research Institute at the Colorado
> School of Mines. Shell expects to extract from 3.5 to 5 barrels for
> each barrel of energy used, Boak said, by heating the rocks
> underground for three or four years, after which the oil seeps through
> cracks so it can be pumped out. It's relatively efficient, he
> explained, because it partially refines the kerogen underground and
> brings it to the surface as fuels requiring little processing:
> naphtha, diesel and kerosene.
>
> Chevron has partnered with the Los Alamos National Laboratory to
> recover oil from shale formations in Colorado's Piceance Basin. Fine
> explained that it will use explosives underground to fractionate the
> shale, then inject a critical fuel, which creates a hot gas and allows
> extraction. The need for water and on-site production will have a
> heavy impact on the environment, however.
>
> Raytheon, known for numerous military technologies, has developed the
> use of radio frequency, or RF, technology with contributions from
> partner Critical Fluids Technologies.
>
> John Cogliandro, program manager for Raytheon's oil from shale
> technologies program, said the new technology is powerful and
> environmentally responsible. Since it doesn't use steam or heat the
> actual rock, there's no residue that might enter groundwater supplies,
> he said.
>
> RF heats much more uniformly and quickly through radiation that
> targets the hydrocarbon molecules. Cogliandro added that critical
> fluids release and move the oil, so that the oil seeps through cracks
> in the shale and is pumped to the surface.
>
> Fine said Raytheon's technology is an advance over earlier microwave
> feasibility tests -- dating back to the 1980s -- because it heats the
> shale rock more quickly and it is easier to control while deploying
> smaller, cost-effective equipment.
>
> Global Resource Corp. uses microwaves to extract oil from shale. While
> previous microwave tests didn't experiment with different wavelengths,
> GRC is using a continuing microwave system with variable frequencies.
> Operating in a vacuum, the microwave frequencies gasify, then condense
> the hydrocarbons, which turn into gas and liquid oil, said a GRC
> spokesman.
>
> GRC is using the technology to reinvigorate older wells as well as
> draw oil from tires, petroleum-based plastics and automobile shredder
> residue. The company has patent-pending numbers for seven different
> technologies, and both the U.S. Energy Department and the state of
> Pennsylvania have given GRC a capped well for experimentation.
>
> GRC CEO Frank Pringle said interest is growing, despite skepticism
> about the technology: "I know what my process can accomplish, but
> there's a lot of prejudice against us."
>
> Raytheon is seeking to license its know-how to energy companies that
> are better able to apply the technology in the field. Oil companies
> experimenting with shale have shown significant interest in Raytheon's
> technique, but Cogliandro doesn't think they'll abandon current
> approaches.
>
> "You'll see a lot of pilot projects out in the field being tested.
> They are going to find where certain technologies work best and then
> they'll analyze the economics of each," Cogliandro said.
>
> Cogliandro has also received samples of oil sands, or "heavies," from
> Oklahoma and Texas on which to test the technology. Raytheon's methods
> had been tried successfully with Canada's tar sands and should work
> with the heavier oil sands, he said.
>
> Both Raytheon and GRC say their technologies use one barrel of oil's
> worth of energy to produce 4.5 barrels of shale oil compared to one
> barrel for 3.5 barrels using older methods.
>
> Boak said these technologies will have to prove how they can do as
> well or better than the newest techniques in the field.
>
> "The big question for shale oil and heavy oil processing is how far
> you can make those waves reach out into the rock," said Boak. He
> emphasized the importance of field tests given the uncertainty in
> geological formations. GRC said the microwaves can be used as far down
> as can be drilled.
>
> If the technology leads to commercial viability, only limited
> investment in refinery extensions and pipeline spurs will be needed
> because the industry can make use of existing regional refineries.
>
>
> --
> There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
> the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
> cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
>
> Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
> on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
> with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
> are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
> me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
>
> Joseph R. Darancette
> daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
Without going nuke it means twice as much CO2 per gallon of fuel as
with conventional crude.


Bret Cahill


> > Analysis: Oil from shale could meet need

>
> Fromhttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/04/MNGIEKV0D4...
>
> The Energy Department has forecast oil-shale production of 2 million barrels
> a day by 2020 and eventually 10 million barrels a day.
>
> As a result, the report said, the industry could become a major producer of
> the greenhouse gases that are linked to global warming.
>
> "The spooky thing is how much power will be needed for the oil shale," said
> Cook, the county commissioner.
>
> O'Connor said Shell estimates that the energy value of the oil produced
> would be about 3.5 times greater than the energy in the electricity used to
> produce it, though he declined to provide details. Udall said such a result
> would be achievable only with the most expensive, rarely used natural-gas
> generating technology. Conventional coal-fired power plants would reduce the
> net power return to about 2 to 1, he said.
 
"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1185102216.877388.204790@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Without going nuke it means twice as much CO2 per gallon of fuel as
> with conventional crude.


But at least the SUVs don't have to be changed.


>
>
> Bret Cahill
>
>
>> > Analysis: Oil from shale could meet need

>>
>> Fromhttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/04/MNGIEKV0D4...
>>
>> The Energy Department has forecast oil-shale production of 2 million
>> barrels
>> a day by 2020 and eventually 10 million barrels a day.
>>
>> As a result, the report said, the industry could become a major producer
>> of
>> the greenhouse gases that are linked to global warming.
>>
>> "The spooky thing is how much power will be needed for the oil shale,"
>> said
>> Cook, the county commissioner.
>>
>> O'Connor said Shell estimates that the energy value of the oil produced
>> would be about 3.5 times greater than the energy in the electricity used
>> to
>> produce it, though he declined to provide details. Udall said such a
>> result
>> would be achievable only with the most expensive, rarely used natural-gas
>> generating technology. Conventional coal-fired power plants would reduce
>> the
>> net power return to about 2 to 1, he said.

>
 
Maybe Cheney will someday have a memorial on the Mall next to Lincoln
for stealing $40 trillion of Iraqi crude and thereby reducing CO2
emissions.


Bret Cahill
 
On Jul 21, 11:09 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
> Analysis: Oil from shale could meet


BULLSHIT.

All such schemes are merely an attempt by the oil
industry to continue their dominance and prevent
us from converting to other technologies.

Energy independence involves technological innovation
NOT digging some stuff up out of the ground and
"processing" it.

Notice how, such schemes always have a timeline that is
just out beyond the horizon - like the AT&T picture
phone that never was. It is brain candy to lull everyone
into a sense of false security that the solution is "just around
the corner" and is being "worked on" by "researchers".

Bullshit.

Citizen Jimserac
One Voice from Many
 
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:03:36 -0700, Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com>
wrote:

>Without going nuke it means twice as much CO2 per gallon of fuel as
>with conventional crude.
>

Sounds about right. Your choice would be?

>
>
>> > Analysis: Oil from shale could meet need

>>
>> Fromhttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/04/MNGIEKV0D4...
>>
>> The Energy Department has forecast oil-shale production of 2 million barrels
>> a day by 2020 and eventually 10 million barrels a day.
>>
>> As a result, the report said, the industry could become a major producer of
>> the greenhouse gases that are linked to global warming.
>>
>> "The spooky thing is how much power will be needed for the oil shale," said
>> Cook, the county commissioner.
>>
>> O'Connor said Shell estimates that the energy value of the oil produced
>> would be about 3.5 times greater than the energy in the electricity used to
>> produce it, though he declined to provide details. Udall said such a result
>> would be achievable only with the most expensive, rarely used natural-gas
>> generating technology. Conventional coal-fired power plants would reduce the
>> net power return to about 2 to 1, he said.


--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:25:23 -0700, Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 21, 11:09 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
>wrote:
>> Analysis: Oil from shale could meet

>
>BULLSHIT.
>
>All such schemes are merely an attempt by the oil
>industry to continue their dominance and prevent
>us from converting to other technologies.
>
>Energy independence involves technological innovation
>NOT digging some stuff up out of the ground and
>"processing" it.
>
>Notice how, such schemes always have a timeline that is
>just out beyond the horizon - like the AT&T picture
>phone that never was. It is brain candy to lull everyone
>into a sense of false security that the solution is "just around
>the corner" and is being "worked on" by "researchers".
>
>Bullshit.
>

The same was said of Canadian Tar Sand in the 1970s now Canada has one
of the largest oil reserves in the world. #2 only to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-oil-reserves-countries-map.html

--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
> >Without going nuke it means twice as much CO2 per gallon of fuel as
> >with conventional crude.


> Sounds about right. Your choice would be?


I'm not against nuke but this is one place where storage of wind and
solar might not be too much of an issue.

On cloudy windless days they could just take a break from the well
head. Enough oil will be in storage tanks to last until the next
sunny or windy day.

But judging from the increasing lack of precipitation in the west,
this shouldn't be much of an issue either.


Bret Cahill
 
Have you ever noticed the sorriest places in the country are those
that made money off of geo wealth?

Port Arthur, Texas, West Virginia, Iraq (now in the Eastern District
of Virginia).

Have you ever noticed that the most exploitative abusive employers are
always in geo commodities?

If it ever comes to a choice between mining / extraction or some tech
job that has nothing directly to do with geo wealth, _always_ take the
tech job.

ALWAYS.

EVEN IF YOUR KIDS ARE STARVING DO NOT GIVE IT A SECOND THOUGHT.


Bret Cahill
 
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:49:50 -0700, Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com>
wrote:

>Have you ever noticed the sorriest places in the country are those
>that made money off of geo wealth?
>
>Port Arthur, Texas, West Virginia, Iraq (now in the Eastern District
>of Virginia).
>
>Have you ever noticed that the most exploitative abusive employers are
>always in geo commodities?
>
>If it ever comes to a choice between mining / extraction or some tech
>job that has nothing directly to do with geo wealth, _always_ take the
>tech job.
>
>ALWAYS.
>
>EVEN IF YOUR KIDS ARE STARVING DO NOT GIVE IT A SECOND THOUGHT.
>

Spoken like a person that has never starved.





--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 

> Spoken like a person that has never starved.


I've gone longer without food than your fat ass.


Bret Cahill
 
> Spoken like a person that has never starved.

You'ld live an extra ten years or so if you went a couple weeks
without eating and then went on a low calorie diet.


Bret Cahill
 
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:29:22 -0700, Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com>
wrote:

>
>> Spoken like a person that has never starved.

>
>I've gone longer without food than your fat ass.
>

You know little about my "fat ass". You will lick toilet bowls if you
get hungry enough.


--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:45:31 -0700, Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com>
wrote:

>> Spoken like a person that has never starved.

>
>You'ld live an extra ten years or so if you went a couple weeks
>without eating and then went on a low calorie diet.
>

You're a nutritionist now?


--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
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