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Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?

An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix Gazette
on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was found!

By David H. Childress

The Gazette article, dated April 5,1909, starts with four headlines,
"Explorations in Grand Canyon", "Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern Being
Brought to Light", "JORDAN IS ENTHUSED" and "Remarkable Finds Indicate
Ancient People Migrated From Orient."

The story then continued (quoted here in full): "The latest news of the
progress of the explorations of what is now regarded by scientists as not
only the oldest archaeological discovery in the United States, but one of
the most valuable in the world, which was mentioned some time ago in the
Gazette, was brought to the city by G.E. Kinkaid, the explorer who found
this great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from Green
River, Wyoming, down the Colorado river, in a wooden boat, to Yuma, several
months ago.

According to the story related to the Gazette, the archaeologists of the
Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the explorations, have made
discoveries which almost conclusively prove that the race which inhabited
this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid rock by human hands, was of oriental
origin, possibly from Egypt, tracing back to Rameses. If their theories are
born out by the translation of the tablets engraved with hieroglyphics, the
mystery of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts, who
they were and whence they came, will be solved. Egypt and the Nile, and
Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain running back
to ages which stagger the wildest fancy of the fictionist.

"Under the direction of Professor S.A. Jordan, the Smithsonian is now
pursuing the most thorough explorations, which will be continued until the
last link in the chain is forged. Nearly a mile underground, about 1480 feet
below the surface, the long main passage has been delved into, to find
another mammoth chamber from which radiates scores of passageways, like the
spokes of a wheel. Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by
passageways running from the main passage, one of them having been explored
for 854 feet and another 634 feet. The recent finds include articles, which
have never been known as native to this country and that doubtless they had
their origin in the orient. War weapons, copper instruments, sharp edged and
hard as steel, indicate the high state of civilization reached by these
strange people. So interested have the scientists become that preparations
are being made to equip the camp for extensive studies, and the force will
be increased to thirty or forty persons.

"Before going further into the cavern, better facilities for lighting will
have to be installed, for the darkness is dense and quite impenetrable for
the average flashlight. In order to avoid being lost, wires are being strung
from the entrance to all passageways leading directly to large chambers. How
far this cavern extends no one can guess, but it is now the belief of many
that what has already been explored is merely the 'barracks', to use an
American term, for the soldiers, and that further into the underworld will
be found the main communal dwellings of the families. The perfect
ventilation of the cavern, the steady draught that blows through, indicates
that it has another outlet to the surface.

"Kinkaid was the first white man born in Idaho and has been an explorer and
hunter all his life, thirty years having been in the service of the
Smithsonian. Even briefly recounted, his history sounds fabulous, almost
grotesque:

'First, I would impress that the cavern is nearly inaccessible. The entrance
is 1,486 feet down the sheer canyon wall. It is located on government land
and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty of trespass. The
scientists wish to work unmolested, without fear of the archaeological
discoveries being disturbed by curio or relic hunters. A trip there would be
fruitless, and the visitor would be sent on his way. The story of how I
found the cavern has been related, but in a paragraph: I was journeying down
the Colorado River in a boat, alone, looking for mineral. Some forty-two
miles up the river from the El Tovar Crystal canyon, I saw on the east wall,
stains in the sedimentary formation about 2,000 feet above the river bed.
There was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great
difficulty. Above a shelf that hid it from view from the river, was the
mouth of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty
yards to what was, at the time the cavern was inhabited, the level of the
river. When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the entrance, I become
interested, securing my gun and went in. During that trip I went back
several hundred feet along the main passage, until I came to the crypt in
which I discovered the mummies. One of these I stood up and photographed by
flashlight. I gathered a number of relics, which I carried down the Colorado
to Yuma, from whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the
discovery. Following this, the explorations were undertaken.'

"The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to nine feet toward
the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first side passages
branch off to the right and left, along which, on both sides, are a number
of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms of today, though some are
30 by 40 feet square. These are entered by oval shaped doors and are
ventilated by round air spaces through the walls into the passages. The
walls are about three feet six inches in thickness. The passages are
chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out by an engineer. The
ceilings of many of the rooms converge to the center. The side-passages near
the entrance run at a sharp angle from the main hall, but toward the rear
they gradually reach a right angle in direction.

"Over a hundred feet from the entrance is the cross-hall, several hundred
feet long, in which are found the idol, or image, of the people's god,
sitting cross-legged, with a lotus flower or lily in each hand. The cast of
the face is oriental, and the carving shows a skillful hand, and the attire
is remarkably well preserved, as is everything in this cavern. The idol most
resembles Buddha, though the scientists are not certain as to what religious
worship it represents. Taking into consideration everything found thus far,
it is possible that this worship most resembles the ancient people of Tibet.
Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some very beautiful in form;
others crooked-necked and distorted shapes, symbolical, probably, of good
and evil. There are two large cactus with protruding arms, one on each side
of the dais on which the god squats. All this is carved out of hard rock
resembling marble. In the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found
tools of all descriptions, made of copper. These people undoubtedly knew the
lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemists for
centuries without result. On a bench running around the workroom was some
charcoal and other material probably used in the process. There is also slag
and stuff similar to metal, showing that these ancients smelted ores, but so
far no trace of where or how this was done has been discovered, nor the
origin of the ore.

"Among the other finds are vases or urns and cups of copper and gold, made
very artistic in design. The pottery work includes enameled ware and glazed
vessels. Another passageway leads to granaries such as are found in the
oriental temples. They contain seeds of various kinds. One very large
storehouse has not yet been entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be
reached only from above. Two copper hooks extend on the edge, which
indicates that some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are
rounded, as the materials, of which they are constructed, I think, is very
hard cement. A gray metal is also found in this cavern, which puzzles the
scientists, however its identity has not been established. It resembles
platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere is what people call
'cats eyes,' a yellow stone of no great value. Each one is engraved with the
head of the Malay type.

"On all the urns, or walls over doorways, and tablets of stone which were
found by the image are the mysterious hieroglyphics, the key to which the
Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to discover. The engraving on the tablets
probably has something to do with the religion of the people. Similar
hieroglyphics have been found in southern Arizona. Among the pictorial
writings, only two animals are found. One is of prehistoric type.

"The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the largest of
the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of about 35 degrees. One
of these is tiers of mummies, each one occupying a separate hewn shelf. At
the head of each is a small bench, on which are found copper cups and pieces
of broken swords. Some of the mummies are covered with clay, and all are
wrapped in a bark fabric. The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude,
while as the higher shelves are reached the urns are finer in design,
showing a later stage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the
mummies examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being
buried here. This leads to the belief that this exterior section was the
warriors' barracks.

"Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no skins, no
clothing or bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for water vessels. One
room, about 40 by 700 feet, was probably the main dining hall, for cooking
utensils are found here. What these people lived on is a problem, though it
is presumed that they came south in the winter and farmed in the valleys,
going back north in the summer. Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived in
the caverns comfortably. One theory is that the present Indian tribes found
in Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people that inhabit
ed the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years before the Christian
era a people lived here which reached a high stage of civilization. The
chronology of human history is full of gaps. Professor Jordan is much
enthused over the discoveries and believes that the find will prove of
incalculable value in archaeological work

"One thing I have not spoken of, may be of interest. There is one chamber
the passageway to which is not ventilated, and when we approached it a
deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our lights would not penetrate the gloom, and
until stronger ones are available we will not know what the chamber
contains. Some say snakes, but others boohoo this idea and think it may
contain a deadly gas or chemicals used by the ancients. No sounds are heard,
but it smells snaky just the same. The whole underground installation gives
one of shaky nerves the creeps. The gloom is like a weight on one's
shoulders, and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker.
Imagination can revel in conjectures and ungodly daydreams back through the
ages that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in space.

"In connection with this story, it is notable that among the Hopi Indians
the tradition is told that their ancestors once lived in an underworld in
the Grand Canyon till dissension arose between the good and the bad, the
people of one heart and the people of two hearts. Machetto, who was their
chief, counseled them to leave the underworld, but there was no way out. The
chief then caused a tree to grow up and pierce the roof of the underworld,
and then the people of one heart climbed out. They tarried by Paisisvai (Red
River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn. They sent out a
message to the Temple of the Sun, asking the blessing of peace, good will
and rain hr the people of one heart. That messenger never returned, but
today at the Hopi villages at sundown can be seen the old men of the tribe
out on the housetops gazing toward the sun, looking hr the messenger. When
he returns, their lands and ancient dwelling place will be restored to them.
That is the tradition. Among the engravings of animals in the cave is seen
the image of a heart over the spot where it is located. The legend was
learned by W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi
Indians. There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is that
they came from Asia; another that the racial cradle was in the upper Nile
region. Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin of the
Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw further light on
human evolution and prehistoric ages."

The explorer, G.E. Kinkaid, discovered the vaults about 2,000 feet above the
present level of the river, where steps led some 30 yards to the former
level of the river. That means that the Colorado River, by Kinkaid's
testimony, has cut some 1,910 feet in the canyon since the time of the
construction of the vaults. Normal geological time would place human
construction on the canyon walls at this level at easily tens of thousands
if not millions of years ago. Kinkaid's testimony actually is evidence that
much of the Grand Canyon was cut in a very short time during some
cataclysmic earth change, rather than the slow, steady millions of years
claimed by Uniformitarian geologists. It is possible that a huge lake was
drained down the Grand Canyon, thus causing the fast erosion.

In investigating this incredible story, any information on the two leading
figures in the discovery, G.E. Kinkaid and Professor S.A. Jordan would be
invaluable. Did these two men exist? I would appreciate any information on
these two men, or their alleged discoveries that any UNICUS readers may
have.

While it cannot be discounted that the entire story is an elaborate
newspaper hoax, the fact that it is on the front page, names the prestigious
Smithsonian Institution, and gives a highly detailed story that goes on for
several pages, lends a great deal to its credibility. What appears to be
going on in this case is that the Smithsonian Institution is covering up
what is an archaeological discovery of great importance, and radically
changes the current views that there was no transoceanic contact in
Pre-Colombian times, and that all American Indians, on both continents, are
descended from ice age explorers who came across the Bering Straits.

Is the idea that ancient Egyptians came to the Arizona area in the ancient
past so objectionable and preposterous that is must be covered up? Perhaps
the Smithsonian Institution is more interested in maintaining the status quo
then rocking the boat with astonishing new discoveries that totally overturn
the previously accepted academic teachings.

Though the idea of the Smithsonian's covering up a valuable archaeological
find is difficult to accept for some, there is, sadly, a great deal of
evidence to suggest that the Smithsonian Institution has knowingly covered
up and "lost" important archaeological relics. The Stonewatch Newsletter of
the Gungywamp Society in Connecticut, which researches megalithic sites in
New England, had a curious story in their Winter, 1992 issue (Vol.10, No.3)
about some stone coffins discovered in 1892 in Alabama which were sent to
the Smithsonian Institution and then "lost."

In an effort to find out where this vault with mummies and artifacts might
be located, I went down to my mom's bookstore and got a hiker's map of the
Grand Canyon. Pouring over the map, I was suddenly shocked to see that much
of the area on the north side of the canyon had Egyptian names. The area
around Ninety-four Mile Creek and Trinity Creek had areas (rock formations,
apparently) with names like Tower of Set, Tower of Ra, Horus Temple, Osiris
Temple, and Isis Temple. In the Haunted Canyon area were such names as the
Cheops Pyramid, the Buddha Cloister, Buddha Temple, Manu Temple and Shiva
Temple. Was there any relationship between these places and the alleged
Egyptian discoveries in the Grand Canyon?

I called a State archaeologist at the Grand Canyon, and was told by the
female voice on the phone that the early explorers had just liked Egyptian
and Hindu names, but that it was true that this area was off limits to
hikers or visitors, "because of dangerous caves."

Indeed, this entire area with the Egyptian and Hindu place names in the
Grand Canyon is forbidden zone, no one is allowed into this large area.
Despite the many thousands of tourists to the Grand Canyon each year, the
lofty walls and spectacular buttes of this natural wonder still hold many
secrets, which have not yet been revealed, to the public at large.

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> Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
>
> An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
> Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix Gazette
> on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was

found!
>
> By David H. Childress
>
> The Gazette article, dated April 5,1909, starts with four headlines,
> "Explorations in Grand Canyon", "Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern Being
> Brought to Light", "JORDAN IS ENTHUSED" and "Remarkable Finds Indicate
> Ancient People Migrated From Orient."
>
> The story then continued (quoted here in full): "The latest news of the
> progress of the explorations of what is now regarded by scientists as not
> only the oldest archaeological discovery in the United States, but one of
> the most valuable in the world, which was mentioned some time ago in the
> Gazette, was brought to the city by G.E. Kinkaid, the explorer who found
> this great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from

Green
> River, Wyoming, down the Colorado river, in a wooden boat, to Yuma,

several
> months ago.
>
> According to the story related to the Gazette, the archaeologists of the
> Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the explorations, have made
> discoveries which almost conclusively prove that the race which inhabited
> this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid rock by human hands, was of oriental
> origin, possibly from Egypt, tracing back to Rameses. If their theories

are
> born out by the translation of the tablets engraved with hieroglyphics,

the
> mystery of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts,

who
> they were and whence they came, will be solved. Egypt and the Nile, and
> Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain running back
> to ages which stagger the wildest fancy of the fictionist.
>
> "Under the direction of Professor S.A. Jordan, the Smithsonian is now
> pursuing the most thorough explorations, which will be continued until the
> last link in the chain is forged. Nearly a mile underground, about 1480

feet
> below the surface, the long main passage has been delved into, to find
> another mammoth chamber from which radiates scores of passageways, like

the
> spokes of a wheel. Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by
> passageways running from the main passage, one of them having been

explored
> for 854 feet and another 634 feet. The recent finds include articles,

which
> have never been known as native to this country and that doubtless they

had
> their origin in the orient. War weapons, copper instruments, sharp edged

and
> hard as steel, indicate the high state of civilization reached by these
> strange people. So interested have the scientists become that preparations
> are being made to equip the camp for extensive studies, and the force will
> be increased to thirty or forty persons.
>
> "Before going further into the cavern, better facilities for lighting will
> have to be installed, for the darkness is dense and quite impenetrable for
> the average flashlight. In order to avoid being lost, wires are being

strung
> from the entrance to all passageways leading directly to large chambers.

How
> far this cavern extends no one can guess, but it is now the belief of many
> that what has already been explored is merely the 'barracks', to use an
> American term, for the soldiers, and that further into the underworld will
> be found the main communal dwellings of the families. The perfect
> ventilation of the cavern, the steady draught that blows through,

indicates
> that it has another outlet to the surface.
>
> "Kinkaid was the first white man born in Idaho and has been an explorer

and
> hunter all his life, thirty years having been in the service of the
> Smithsonian. Even briefly recounted, his history sounds fabulous, almost
> grotesque:
>
> 'First, I would impress that the cavern is nearly inaccessible. The

entrance
> is 1,486 feet down the sheer canyon wall. It is located on government land
> and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty of trespass. The
> scientists wish to work unmolested, without fear of the archaeological
> discoveries being disturbed by curio or relic hunters. A trip there would

be
> fruitless, and the visitor would be sent on his way. The story of how I
> found the cavern has been related, but in a paragraph: I was journeying

down
> the Colorado River in a boat, alone, looking for mineral. Some forty-two
> miles up the river from the El Tovar Crystal canyon, I saw on the east

wall,
> stains in the sedimentary formation about 2,000 feet above the river bed.
> There was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great
> difficulty. Above a shelf that hid it from view from the river, was the
> mouth of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty
> yards to what was, at the time the cavern was inhabited, the level of the
> river. When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the entrance, I

become
> interested, securing my gun and went in. During that trip I went back
> several hundred feet along the main passage, until I came to the crypt in
> which I discovered the mummies. One of these I stood up and photographed

by
> flashlight. I gathered a number of relics, which I carried down the

Colorado
> to Yuma, from whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the
> discovery. Following this, the explorations were undertaken.'
>
> "The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to nine feet toward
> the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first side passages
> branch off to the right and left, along which, on both sides, are a number
> of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms of today, though some are
> 30 by 40 feet square. These are entered by oval shaped doors and are
> ventilated by round air spaces through the walls into the passages. The
> walls are about three feet six inches in thickness. The passages are
> chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out by an engineer. The
> ceilings of many of the rooms converge to the center. The side-passages

near
> the entrance run at a sharp angle from the main hall, but toward the rear
> they gradually reach a right angle in direction.
>
> "Over a hundred feet from the entrance is the cross-hall, several hundred
> feet long, in which are found the idol, or image, of the people's god,
> sitting cross-legged, with a lotus flower or lily in each hand. The cast

of
> the face is oriental, and the carving shows a skillful hand, and the

attire
> is remarkably well preserved, as is everything in this cavern. The idol

most
> resembles Buddha, though the scientists are not certain as to what

religious
> worship it represents. Taking into consideration everything found thus

far,
> it is possible that this worship most resembles the ancient people of

Tibet.
> Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some very beautiful in form;
> others crooked-necked and distorted shapes, symbolical, probably, of good
> and evil. There are two large cactus with protruding arms, one on each

side
> of the dais on which the god squats. All this is carved out of hard rock
> resembling marble. In the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found
> tools of all descriptions, made of copper. These people undoubtedly knew

the
> lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemists for
> centuries without result. On a bench running around the workroom was some
> charcoal and other material probably used in the process. There is also

slag
> and stuff similar to metal, showing that these ancients smelted ores, but

so
> far no trace of where or how this was done has been discovered, nor the
> origin of the ore.
>
> "Among the other finds are vases or urns and cups of copper and gold, made
> very artistic in design. The pottery work includes enameled ware and

glazed
> vessels. Another passageway leads to granaries such as are found in the
> oriental temples. They contain seeds of various kinds. One very large
> storehouse has not yet been entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be
> reached only from above. Two copper hooks extend on the edge, which
> indicates that some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are
> rounded, as the materials, of which they are constructed, I think, is very
> hard cement. A gray metal is also found in this cavern, which puzzles the
> scientists, however its identity has not been established. It resembles
> platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere is what people

call
> 'cats eyes,' a yellow stone of no great value. Each one is engraved with

the
> head of the Malay type.
>
> "On all the urns, or walls over doorways, and tablets of stone which were
> found by the image are the mysterious hieroglyphics, the key to which the
> Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to discover. The engraving on the tablets
> probably has something to do with the religion of the people. Similar
> hieroglyphics have been found in southern Arizona. Among the pictorial
> writings, only two animals are found. One is of prehistoric type.
>
> "The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the largest

of
> the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of about 35 degrees. One
> of these is tiers of mummies, each one occupying a separate hewn shelf. At
> the head of each is a small bench, on which are found copper cups and

pieces
> of broken swords. Some of the mummies are covered with clay, and all are
> wrapped in a bark fabric. The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude,
> while as the higher shelves are reached the urns are finer in design,
> showing a later stage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the
> mummies examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females

being
> buried here. This leads to the belief that this exterior section was the
> warriors' barracks.
>
> "Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no skins, no
> clothing or bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for water vessels. One
> room, about 40 by 700 feet, was probably the main dining hall, for cooking
> utensils are found here. What these people lived on is a problem, though

it
> is presumed that they came south in the winter and farmed in the valleys,
> going back north in the summer. Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived

in
> the caverns comfortably. One theory is that the present Indian tribes

found
> in Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people that

inhabit
> ed the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years before the

Christian
> era a people lived here which reached a high stage of civilization. The
> chronology of human history is full of gaps. Professor Jordan is much
> enthused over the discoveries and believes that the find will prove of
> incalculable value in archaeological work
>
> "One thing I have not spoken of, may be of interest. There is one chamber
> the passageway to which is not ventilated, and when we approached it a
> deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our lights would not penetrate the gloom,

and
> until stronger ones are available we will not know what the chamber
> contains. Some say snakes, but others boohoo this idea and think it may
> contain a deadly gas or chemicals used by the ancients. No sounds are

heard,
> but it smells snaky just the same. The whole underground installation

gives
> one of shaky nerves the creeps. The gloom is like a weight on one's
> shoulders, and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker.
> Imagination can revel in conjectures and ungodly daydreams back through

the
> ages that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in space.
>
> "In connection with this story, it is notable that among the Hopi Indians
> the tradition is told that their ancestors once lived in an underworld in
> the Grand Canyon till dissension arose between the good and the bad, the
> people of one heart and the people of two hearts. Machetto, who was their
> chief, counseled them to leave the underworld, but there was no way out.

The
> chief then caused a tree to grow up and pierce the roof of the underworld,
> and then the people of one heart climbed out. They tarried by Paisisvai

(Red
> River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn. They sent out a
> message to the Temple of the Sun, asking the blessing of peace, good will
> and rain hr the people of one heart. That messenger never returned, but
> today at the Hopi villages at sundown can be seen the old men of the tribe
> out on the housetops gazing toward the sun, looking hr the messenger. When
> he returns, their lands and ancient dwelling place will be restored to

them.
> That is the tradition. Among the engravings of animals in the cave is seen
> the image of a heart over the spot where it is located. The legend was
> learned by W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi
> Indians. There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is

that
> they came from Asia; another that the racial cradle was in the upper Nile
> region. Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin of the
> Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw further light on
> human evolution and prehistoric ages."
>
> The explorer, G.E. Kinkaid, discovered the vaults about 2,000 feet above

the
> present level of the river, where steps led some 30 yards to the former
> level of the river. That means that the Colorado River, by Kinkaid's
> testimony, has cut some 1,910 feet in the canyon since the time of the
> construction of the vaults. Normal geological time would place human
> construction on the canyon walls at this level at easily tens of thousands
> if not millions of years ago. Kinkaid's testimony actually is evidence

that
> much of the Grand Canyon was cut in a very short time during some
> cataclysmic earth change, rather than the slow, steady millions of years
> claimed by Uniformitarian geologists. It is possible that a huge lake was
> drained down the Grand Canyon, thus causing the fast erosion.
>
> In investigating this incredible story, any information on the two leading
> figures in the discovery, G.E. Kinkaid and Professor S.A. Jordan would be
> invaluable. Did these two men exist? I would appreciate any information on
> these two men, or their alleged discoveries that any UNICUS readers may
> have.
>
> While it cannot be discounted that the entire story is an elaborate
> newspaper hoax, the fact that it is on the front page, names the

prestigious
> Smithsonian Institution, and gives a highly detailed story that goes on

for
> several pages, lends a great deal to its credibility. What appears to be
> going on in this case is that the Smithsonian Institution is covering up
> what is an archaeological discovery of great importance, and radically
> changes the current views that there was no transoceanic contact in
> Pre-Colombian times, and that all American Indians, on both continents,

are
> descended from ice age explorers who came across the Bering Straits.
>
> Is the idea that ancient Egyptians came to the Arizona area in the ancient
> past so objectionable and preposterous that is must be covered up? Perhaps
> the Smithsonian Institution is more interested in maintaining the status

quo
> then rocking the boat with astonishing new discoveries that totally

overturn
> the previously accepted academic teachings.
>
> Though the idea of the Smithsonian's covering up a valuable archaeological
> find is difficult to accept for some, there is, sadly, a great deal of
> evidence to suggest that the Smithsonian Institution has knowingly covered
> up and "lost" important archaeological relics. The Stonewatch Newsletter

of
> the Gungywamp Society in Connecticut, which researches megalithic sites in
> New England, had a curious story in their Winter, 1992 issue (Vol.10,

No.3)
> about some stone coffins discovered in 1892 in Alabama which were sent to
> the Smithsonian Institution and then "lost."
>
> In an effort to find out where this vault with mummies and artifacts might
> be located, I went down to my mom's bookstore and got a hiker's map of the
> Grand Canyon. Pouring over the map, I was suddenly shocked to see that

much
> of the area on the north side of the canyon had Egyptian names. The area
> around Ninety-four Mile Creek and Trinity Creek had areas (rock

formations,
> apparently) with names like Tower of Set, Tower of Ra, Horus Temple,

Osiris
> Temple, and Isis Temple. In the Haunted Canyon area were such names as the
> Cheops Pyramid, the Buddha Cloister, Buddha Temple, Manu Temple and Shiva
> Temple. Was there any relationship between these places and the alleged
> Egyptian discoveries in the Grand Canyon?
>
> I called a State archaeologist at the Grand Canyon, and was told by the
> female voice on the phone that the early explorers had just liked Egyptian
> and Hindu names, but that it was true that this area was off limits to
> hikers or visitors, "because of dangerous caves."
>
> Indeed, this entire area with the Egyptian and Hindu place names in the
> Grand Canyon is forbidden zone, no one is allowed into this large area.
> Despite the many thousands of tourists to the Grand Canyon each year, the
> lofty walls and spectacular buttes of this natural wonder still hold many
> secrets, which have not yet been revealed, to the public at large.
>
> http://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/education.htm
>
> http://www.searchconspiracy.com
>
>


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"Luke Nichols" <conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_8L8h.65$mb.54@newsfe04.lga...
> Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
>
> An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
> Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix Gazette
> on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was

found!
>
> By David H. Childress
>
> The Gazette article, dated April 5,1909, starts with four headlines,
> "Explorations in Grand Canyon", "Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern Being
> Brought to Light", "JORDAN IS ENTHUSED" and "Remarkable Finds Indicate
> Ancient People Migrated From Orient."
>
> The story then continued (quoted here in full): "The latest news of the
> progress of the explorations of what is now regarded by scientists as not
> only the oldest archaeological discovery in the United States, but one of
> the most valuable in the world, which was mentioned some time ago in the
> Gazette, was brought to the city by G.E. Kinkaid, the explorer who found
> this great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from

Green
> River, Wyoming, down the Colorado river, in a wooden boat, to Yuma,

several
> months ago.
>
> According to the story related to the Gazette, the archaeologists of the
> Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the explorations, have made
> discoveries which almost conclusively prove that the race which inhabited
> this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid rock by human hands, was of oriental
> origin, possibly from Egypt, tracing back to Rameses. If their theories

are
> born out by the translation of the tablets engraved with hieroglyphics,

the
> mystery of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts,

who
> they were and whence they came, will be solved. Egypt and the Nile, and
> Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain running back
> to ages which stagger the wildest fancy of the fictionist.
>
> "Under the direction of Professor S.A. Jordan, the Smithsonian is now
> pursuing the most thorough explorations, which will be continued until the
> last link in the chain is forged. Nearly a mile underground, about 1480

feet
> below the surface, the long main passage has been delved into, to find
> another mammoth chamber from which radiates scores of passageways, like

the
> spokes of a wheel. Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by
> passageways running from the main passage, one of them having been

explored
> for 854 feet and another 634 feet. The recent finds include articles,

which
> have never been known as native to this country and that doubtless they

had
> their origin in the orient. War weapons, copper instruments, sharp edged

and
> hard as steel, indicate the high state of civilization reached by these
> strange people. So interested have the scientists become that preparations
> are being made to equip the camp for extensive studies, and the force will
> be increased to thirty or forty persons.
>
> "Before going further into the cavern, better facilities for lighting will
> have to be installed, for the darkness is dense and quite impenetrable for
> the average flashlight. In order to avoid being lost, wires are being

strung
> from the entrance to all passageways leading directly to large chambers.

How
> far this cavern extends no one can guess, but it is now the belief of many
> that what has already been explored is merely the 'barracks', to use an
> American term, for the soldiers, and that further into the underworld will
> be found the main communal dwellings of the families. The perfect
> ventilation of the cavern, the steady draught that blows through,

indicates
> that it has another outlet to the surface.
>
> "Kinkaid was the first white man born in Idaho and has been an explorer

and
> hunter all his life, thirty years having been in the service of the
> Smithsonian. Even briefly recounted, his history sounds fabulous, almost
> grotesque:
>
> 'First, I would impress that the cavern is nearly inaccessible. The

entrance
> is 1,486 feet down the sheer canyon wall. It is located on government land
> and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty of trespass. The
> scientists wish to work unmolested, without fear of the archaeological
> discoveries being disturbed by curio or relic hunters. A trip there would

be
> fruitless, and the visitor would be sent on his way. The story of how I
> found the cavern has been related, but in a paragraph: I was journeying

down
> the Colorado River in a boat, alone, looking for mineral. Some forty-two
> miles up the river from the El Tovar Crystal canyon, I saw on the east

wall,
> stains in the sedimentary formation about 2,000 feet above the river bed.
> There was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great
> difficulty. Above a shelf that hid it from view from the river, was the
> mouth of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty
> yards to what was, at the time the cavern was inhabited, the level of the
> river. When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the entrance, I

become
> interested, securing my gun and went in. During that trip I went back
> several hundred feet along the main passage, until I came to the crypt in
> which I discovered the mummies. One of these I stood up and photographed

by
> flashlight. I gathered a number of relics, which I carried down the

Colorado
> to Yuma, from whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the
> discovery. Following this, the explorations were undertaken.'
>
> "The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to nine feet toward
> the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first side passages
> branch off to the right and left, along which, on both sides, are a number
> of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms of today, though some are
> 30 by 40 feet square. These are entered by oval shaped doors and are
> ventilated by round air spaces through the walls into the passages. The
> walls are about three feet six inches in thickness. The passages are
> chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out by an engineer. The
> ceilings of many of the rooms converge to the center. The side-passages

near
> the entrance run at a sharp angle from the main hall, but toward the rear
> they gradually reach a right angle in direction.
>
> "Over a hundred feet from the entrance is the cross-hall, several hundred
> feet long, in which are found the idol, or image, of the people's god,
> sitting cross-legged, with a lotus flower or lily in each hand. The cast

of
> the face is oriental, and the carving shows a skillful hand, and the

attire
> is remarkably well preserved, as is everything in this cavern. The idol

most
> resembles Buddha, though the scientists are not certain as to what

religious
> worship it represents. Taking into consideration everything found thus

far,
> it is possible that this worship most resembles the ancient people of

Tibet.
> Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some very beautiful in form;
> others crooked-necked and distorted shapes, symbolical, probably, of good
> and evil. There are two large cactus with protruding arms, one on each

side
> of the dais on which the god squats. All this is carved out of hard rock
> resembling marble. In the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found
> tools of all descriptions, made of copper. These people undoubtedly knew

the
> lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemists for
> centuries without result. On a bench running around the workroom was some
> charcoal and other material probably used in the process. There is also

slag
> and stuff similar to metal, showing that these ancients smelted ores, but

so
> far no trace of where or how this was done has been discovered, nor the
> origin of the ore.
>
> "Among the other finds are vases or urns and cups of copper and gold, made
> very artistic in design. The pottery work includes enameled ware and

glazed
> vessels. Another passageway leads to granaries such as are found in the
> oriental temples. They contain seeds of various kinds. One very large
> storehouse has not yet been entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be
> reached only from above. Two copper hooks extend on the edge, which
> indicates that some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are
> rounded, as the materials, of which they are constructed, I think, is very
> hard cement. A gray metal is also found in this cavern, which puzzles the
> scientists, however its identity has not been established. It resembles
> platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere is what people

call
> 'cats eyes,' a yellow stone of no great value. Each one is engraved with

the
> head of the Malay type.
>
> "On all the urns, or walls over doorways, and tablets of stone which were
> found by the image are the mysterious hieroglyphics, the key to which the
> Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to discover. The engraving on the tablets
> probably has something to do with the religion of the people. Similar
> hieroglyphics have been found in southern Arizona. Among the pictorial
> writings, only two animals are found. One is of prehistoric type.
>
> "The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the largest

of
> the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of about 35 degrees. One
> of these is tiers of mummies, each one occupying a separate hewn shelf. At
> the head of each is a small bench, on which are found copper cups and

pieces
> of broken swords. Some of the mummies are covered with clay, and all are
> wrapped in a bark fabric. The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude,
> while as the higher shelves are reached the urns are finer in design,
> showing a later stage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the
> mummies examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females

being
> buried here. This leads to the belief that this exterior section was the
> warriors' barracks.
>
> "Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no skins, no
> clothing or bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for water vessels. One
> room, about 40 by 700 feet, was probably the main dining hall, for cooking
> utensils are found here. What these people lived on is a problem, though

it
> is presumed that they came south in the winter and farmed in the valleys,
> going back north in the summer. Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived

in
> the caverns comfortably. One theory is that the present Indian tribes

found
> in Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people that

inhabit
> ed the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years before the

Christian
> era a people lived here which reached a high stage of civilization. The
> chronology of human history is full of gaps. Professor Jordan is much
> enthused over the discoveries and believes that the find will prove of
> incalculable value in archaeological work
>
> "One thing I have not spoken of, may be of interest. There is one chamber
> the passageway to which is not ventilated, and when we approached it a
> deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our lights would not penetrate the gloom,

and
> until stronger ones are available we will not know what the chamber
> contains. Some say snakes, but others boohoo this idea and think it may
> contain a deadly gas or chemicals used by the ancients. No sounds are

heard,
> but it smells snaky just the same. The whole underground installation

gives
> one of shaky nerves the creeps. The gloom is like a weight on one's
> shoulders, and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker.
> Imagination can revel in conjectures and ungodly daydreams back through

the
> ages that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in space.
>
> "In connection with this story, it is notable that among the Hopi Indians
> the tradition is told that their ancestors once lived in an underworld in
> the Grand Canyon till dissension arose between the good and the bad, the
> people of one heart and the people of two hearts. Machetto, who was their
> chief, counseled them to leave the underworld, but there was no way out.

The
> chief then caused a tree to grow up and pierce the roof of the underworld,
> and then the people of one heart climbed out. They tarried by Paisisvai

(Red
> River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn. They sent out a
> message to the Temple of the Sun, asking the blessing of peace, good will
> and rain hr the people of one heart. That messenger never returned, but
> today at the Hopi villages at sundown can be seen the old men of the tribe
> out on the housetops gazing toward the sun, looking hr the messenger. When
> he returns, their lands and ancient dwelling place will be restored to

them.
> That is the tradition. Among the engravings of animals in the cave is seen
> the image of a heart over the spot where it is located. The legend was
> learned by W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi
> Indians. There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is

that
> they came from Asia; another that the racial cradle was in the upper Nile
> region. Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin of the
> Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw further light on
> human evolution and prehistoric ages."
>
> The explorer, G.E. Kinkaid, discovered the vaults about 2,000 feet above

the
> present level of the river, where steps led some 30 yards to the former
> level of the river. That means that the Colorado River, by Kinkaid's
> testimony, has cut some 1,910 feet in the canyon since the time of the
> construction of the vaults. Normal geological time would place human
> construction on the canyon walls at this level at easily tens of thousands
> if not millions of years ago. Kinkaid's testimony actually is evidence

that
> much of the Grand Canyon was cut in a very short time during some
> cataclysmic earth change, rather than the slow, steady millions of years
> claimed by Uniformitarian geologists. It is possible that a huge lake was
> drained down the Grand Canyon, thus causing the fast erosion.
>
> In investigating this incredible story, any information on the two leading
> figures in the discovery, G.E. Kinkaid and Professor S.A. Jordan would be
> invaluable. Did these two men exist? I would appreciate any information on
> these two men, or their alleged discoveries that any UNICUS readers may
> have.
>
> While it cannot be discounted that the entire story is an elaborate
> newspaper hoax, the fact that it is on the front page, names the

prestigious
> Smithsonian Institution, and gives a highly detailed story that goes on

for
> several pages, lends a great deal to its credibility. What appears to be
> going on in this case is that the Smithsonian Institution is covering up
> what is an archaeological discovery of great importance, and radically
> changes the current views that there was no transoceanic contact in
> Pre-Colombian times, and that all American Indians, on both continents,

are
> descended from ice age explorers who came across the Bering Straits.
>
> Is the idea that ancient Egyptians came to the Arizona area in the ancient
> past so objectionable and preposterous that is must be covered up? Perhaps
> the Smithsonian Institution is more interested in maintaining the status

quo
> then rocking the boat with astonishing new discoveries that totally

overturn
> the previously accepted academic teachings.
>
> Though the idea of the Smithsonian's covering up a valuable archaeological
> find is difficult to accept for some, there is, sadly, a great deal of
> evidence to suggest that the Smithsonian Institution has knowingly covered
> up and "lost" important archaeological relics. The Stonewatch Newsletter

of
> the Gungywamp Society in Connecticut, which researches megalithic sites in
> New England, had a curious story in their Winter, 1992 issue (Vol.10,

No.3)
> about some stone coffins discovered in 1892 in Alabama which were sent to
> the Smithsonian Institution and then "lost."
>
> In an effort to find out where this vault with mummies and artifacts might
> be located, I went down to my mom's bookstore and got a hiker's map of the
> Grand Canyon. Pouring over the map, I was suddenly shocked to see that

much
> of the area on the north side of the canyon had Egyptian names. The area
> around Ninety-four Mile Creek and Trinity Creek had areas (rock

formations,
> apparently) with names like Tower of Set, Tower of Ra, Horus Temple,

Osiris
> Temple, and Isis Temple. In the Haunted Canyon area were such names as the
> Cheops Pyramid, the Buddha Cloister, Buddha Temple, Manu Temple and Shiva
> Temple. Was there any relationship between these places and the alleged
> Egyptian discoveries in the Grand Canyon?
>
> I called a State archaeologist at the Grand Canyon, and was told by the
> female voice on the phone that the early explorers had just liked Egyptian
> and Hindu names, but that it was true that this area was off limits to
> hikers or visitors, "because of dangerous caves."
>
> Indeed, this entire area with the Egyptian and Hindu place names in the
> Grand Canyon is forbidden zone, no one is allowed into this large area.
> Despite the many thousands of tourists to the Grand Canyon each year, the
> lofty walls and spectacular buttes of this natural wonder still hold many
> secrets, which have not yet been revealed, to the public at large.
>
> http://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/education.htm
>
> http://www.searchconspiracy.com
>
>


http://www.myspace.com/122842259
 
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:31:13 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
<conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
>
>An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
>Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix Gazette
>on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was found!


You'll just swallow anything, won't you, Lukeboy?
 
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:31:13 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
<conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
>
>An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
>Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix Gazette
>on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was found!


Maybe you should read this before you swallow more garbage:

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id8.html
 
In article <tn47m2trc467ao489mtpt9lj3t7tdh5nlh@4ax.com>, agent86
@justicespammail.com says...
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:31:13 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
> <conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
> >
> >An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
> >Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix Gazette
> >on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was found!

>
> You'll just swallow anything, won't you, Lukeboy?
>


If it's whacky, Lukeboy opens wide. He'll buy, and swallow, even the
most insane of the whackjob conspiracies, and becomes really put out
when snickered at.

That means he's angry almost all the time. And his jaws ache from all
the **** he shoves into his mouth.

BDK
 
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:26:31 -0500, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com> wrote:

>In article <tn47m2trc467ao489mtpt9lj3t7tdh5nlh@4ax.com>, agent86
>@justicespammail.com says...
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:31:13 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
>> <conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
>> >
>> >An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
>> >Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix Gazette
>> >on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was found!

>>
>> You'll just swallow anything, won't you, Lukeboy?
>>

>
>If it's whacky, Lukeboy opens wide. He'll buy, and swallow, even the
>most insane of the whackjob conspiracies, and becomes really put out
>when snickered at.
>
>That means he's angry almost all the time. And his jaws ache from all
>the **** he shoves into his mouth.
>
>BDK


Hey! C'mon now. Don't pick on andrew luke nichols. He's just this really
sensitive guy. A really sensitive guy who thinks Armageddon is coming
tomorrow... no wait... next week... no wait... a month next Tuesday, or is it a
comet, or George Bush and an atomic button, or... some other wacky ****.

We love you andrew luke nichols!

Shill #312
--
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman
 
<agent86@justicespammail.com> wrote in message
news:tn47m2trc467ao489mtpt9lj3t7tdh5nlh@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:31:13 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
> <conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
> >
> >An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
> >Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix

Gazette
> >on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was

found!
>
> You'll just swallow anything, won't you, Lukeboy?


Wow. I am like. flabberghasted.

You deny Bush's involvement in 9/11.
You deny Bush is building new world order under the guise of promoting
democracy in the middle east. (Something Plato says leads inevitably to
Dictatorships)
And you deny the previous existence of panagea.

Instead of brow beating me over every post, why don't you just make your
position clear.

I don't really lump you into the same category as Phil, who contributes
nothing. At least you have half a brain.

So, put it out the agent. Let's see. Im not so far removed from being a
critical thinker that I can't change my positions.

I have moved away from Christianity some what. Sort of a mental paradigm
shift.

Luke
 
In article <HVX8h.158$Gt.102@newsfe07.lga>, conspiracyirc@hotmail.com
says...
>
> <agent86@justicespammail.com> wrote in message
> news:tn47m2trc467ao489mtpt9lj3t7tdh5nlh@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:31:13 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
> > <conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
> > >
> > >An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
> > >Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix

> Gazette
> > >on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was

> found!
> >
> > You'll just swallow anything, won't you, Lukeboy?

>
> Wow. I am like. flabberghasted.


I know you're replying to some other shill, but since some of you kooks
believe we are one person, I'll reply anyway.

Well golly, that's a shock! You flabbergasted? Absolutely mind boggling.

>
> You deny Bush's involvement in 9/11.


Post some real proof, and convince us! All you guys have is a lot of
kooksite claims that are reposted over and over again with nothing to
back them up..


Nothing I know of that Bush did before or after links him in any way to
the 911 plot.


> You deny Bush is building new world order under the guise of promoting
> democracy in the middle east. (Something Plato says leads inevitably to
> Dictatorships)


LOL, now you're rolling. Embrace the madness! Tell us about the secret
concentration camps? Tell us about the guillotines to chop the heads off
of christians?

> And you deny the previous existence of panagea.


Panagea? You mean pangea? Where all the land in the world was one big
continent? Why would we deny it?

It was about 250 million years ago though. Is this something you are
trying to prove Noah's Ark with? There are so many holes in the Ark
story, it's amazing that even someone like you would buy it. I got into
trouble shooting it down at age 6. My grandmother got really pissed at
me.


>
> Instead of brow beating me over every post, why don't you just make your
> position clear.


Let's see. My position is.

1. You are a religious nutter.
2. A conspirokook whackaloon.
3. One of the most gullible people around.
4. Amazingly funny.

Clear enough?

>
> I don't really lump you into the same category as Phil, who contributes
> nothing. At least you have half a brain.


Oh, Phil's gonna be pissed! I will be too, when I stop laughing.

>
> So, put it out the agent. Let's see. Im not so far removed from being a
> critical thinker that I can't change my positions.


That statement is so damn funny. It's a gem.

>
> I have moved away from Christianity some what. Sort of a mental paradigm
> shift.


Uh oh, are you a budding Scientologist?

You're funnier than almost any sitcom I've ever seen. Unintentionally.


BDK

>
> Luke
>
>
>
 
Very interesting as to how gullible can one be ?
At no time did the Egyptians have the nautical expertise to do more
than coastal trading i.e (importing timber from Lebanon).

This is in the style of the Egyptian princes tomb claim in Australia.
As a matter of interest just how far inland from the east coast of the
US is the Grand Canyon?
 
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:04:02 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
<conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
><agent86@justicespammail.com> wrote in message
>news:tn47m2trc467ao489mtpt9lj3t7tdh5nlh@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:31:13 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
>> <conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
>> >
>> >An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
>> >Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix

>Gazette
>> >on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was

>found!
>>
>> You'll just swallow anything, won't you, Lukeboy?

>
>Wow. I am like. flabberghasted.
>
>You deny Bush's involvement in 9/11.


Because there is no evidence to support it.

>You deny Bush is building new world order under the guise of promoting
>democracy in the middle east. (Something Plato says leads inevitably to
>Dictatorships)


Because there is no evidence to support it. BTW, what do you think is
going to happen on January 21, 2008 to this "Bush initiative"?

>And you deny the previous existence of panagea.


And where have I ever said such a thing? But the existence of
panagea would have nothing to do with Egyptian artifacts in the Grand
Canyon. You're only off by a couple hundrec million years.

>Instead of brow beating me over every post, why don't you just make your
>position clear.


You seem to think that I have.

>I don't really lump you into the same category as Phil, who contributes
>nothing. At least you have half a brain.
>
>So, put it out the agent. Let's see. Im not so far removed from being a
>critical thinker that I can't change my positions.


Who's ever tried to get you to change your "positions"? I could care
less what a West Viginia idiot like you thinks.
 
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:31:13 -0500, "Luke Nichols"
<conspiracyirc@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Ancient Egyptian City In the Grand Canyon?
>
>An Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon similar to the Valley of Kings in
>Luxor, Egypt?An article published on the front page of the Phoenix Gazette
>on April 5,1909, claimed that just such an Egyptian rock-cut cave was found!
>
>By David H. Childress


You didn't happen to notice that the next issue contained "ETs
and My Family Tree ", did you?
 
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