Guest sdr@sdrodrian.com Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Irshad Manji wrote in WashingtonPost's Anti-Muslim Film Boorish and Boring: > A more engaging approach would have been > to pepper the film with positive verses from > the Qur'an, thereby revealing that Muslims who > expound hostility are actively choosing to ignore > the better angels of Islam. Perhaps you could also show highlights of Satan (Mohammed) himself, in order to better understand those "high-ranking" angels that "fell" with him: http://islamisbad.com/islamicterrorism.html > There are plenty of positive passages to highlight. > The possibility for women's dignity is shown by > 3:195, which states that God rewards "any worker > among you, be you male or female -- you are equal > to one another." Imagine aligning that passage with > the shot of a woman's body mutilated by an honor > killing. And, alongside, we could cite, out of the billion-some Muslims in this world, exactly how many exercise this heavenly practice... at the peril of their lives. Or, perhaps simply cite the Muslim women who espousing the equality of women, are still held in high esteem. > To shame the imams who cry death to non-Muslims, > Wilders could have followed their words with these > from 2:62 of the Quran: "Jews and Christians and > Sabians, all who heed the One God and the Last > Day, have nothing to fear or regret as long as they > remain true to their scriptures." AND pay the head tax for not being Muslims, of course (which in most modern Islamic countries is no longer collected because most of their Jews and Christians have either been forced to convert, to flee, or have been butchered). > Indeed, he could have hammered home this point > with a shorter, simpler passage -- 109:6, which > proclaims "unto you your religion, unto me my > religion." Is this a Muslim pleading his wish to remain a Muslim or a Muslim pleading for the rights of non-Muslims...? [109.1] Say: O unbelievers! [109.2] I do not serve that which you serve, [109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve: [109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve, [109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve: [109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion. > Above all, Wilders missed the opportunity to give > Wahhabi sermonizers and sympathizers a real run > for their oil money. He could have done so by > cutting between their fevered warnings of hellfire > on the one hand and, on the other, diverse Muslims > reading 2:256 of the Quran: "There is no compulsion > in religion." Perhaps Wilders should have read it not just to the Wahhabis but to the Indonesians, who recently refused to legally recognize a Muslim's conversion to Christianity. Or perhaps he could've cited a single Muslim country that recognizes and protects a Muslim's right, "to not be forced to remain a Muslim" ... Certainly, Egypt (which is propped up by American and European aid) must come the closest when it recently decided to "look the other way" and instead of throwing Muslim converts to Christianity in prison or killing them simply advised them to leave their country of birth and to not return ever again "for their own safety, of course." I think, from the 7th Century AD to the 21st Century, Muslims might still have a little ways ta go before they can start to play dialectical pleasantries. Instead, for now, let's just concentrate on how you're going to run away from the madmen chasing us with the butcher's cleaver. GO SEE: http://islamisbad.com S D Rodrian All religions are local. Only science is universal. On Mar 19, 11:06 am, Viejo Vizcacha > The Islamic troops that intervened in Spain > did so at the invitation > of German princes who were quarreling. > During the"occupation" of Spain > by Islamist, Spain became the light of Europe... I'm sorry .... which European Imperialist armies did you say "reconquered" Spain?!?! Because as HISTORY tells it, the "reconquista" was one of Spain by the Spanish. There must certainly have been any number of European volunteers and mercenaries who fought on the side of the Spanish Christians, but, is it that you know of any LAW by the Moors which forbade non-Spanish Muslims from Jihad on the other side?!?!? It was Europe's longest and hardest-fought war of emancipation --700 years! And it was all done by the Spanish themselves, who, apparently, were not as eager as you to believe they were living Spain's Golden Age (and were therefore eager to bring it to a close). SURELY, along those 700 years the Spanish might have come to realize they were living in paradise--had it been true. But, Spain's Golden Age came NOT during its subjugation by the Muslims (as romance-writers might have you believe) but AFTER its liberation from them, when Columbus sailed to the Americas and brought back enough wealth to make Spain the richest country in Europe. PLEASE DON'T JUST STUDY HISTORY FROM A FEW MORONIC HOLLYWOOD ROMANTIC FILMS! These films were, for the most part, written by hacks whose knowledge of the world ended two city blocks from where they grew up. The lesson of the Spanish 700-years "reconquista" for the modern world is certainly how, once taken over by Muslims, how difficult it is to get rid of the insistent little buggers... and how it would have been a lot less of a bother (to the Spanish) had they NOT been conquered by the Muslims in the first place: I have no doubt that if Islam were to take over the world, eventually mankind would rise up for its freedom... and would triumph. But it might take 700 years--700 precious years during which millions of Leonardos, Mozarts, Newtons, and Darwins would live lives of pointless, desperate waste. S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://thesolutionisthis.com http://mp3.sdrodrian.com All religions are local. Only science is universal. Lauren Keane wrote: > > This time the potential affront is a film made by > > right-wing Dutch politician Geert Wilders, in which > > he denounces Islam's Koran as a "fascist" book > > that "incites people to murder." Rumors put out > > by the Wilders camp suggest he burns a copy of > > the Koran in the film. > > Both cartoon(s) and film are clearly crass and self- > > serving exercises that pay lip service to the idea of > > freedom of speech while being little more than > > vehicles for xenophobia. Question: Is denouncing NAZI literature as "fascist" and "inciting people to murder" ... "clearly crass and self-serving exercises that pay lip service to the idea of freedom of speech while being little more than vehicles for xenophobia?" Surely the Answer must be that such a denunciation is either true or false, and therefore worthy or worthless. Well, while Hitler could be held responsible for the murders of up to 65 million human beings, there are some places in India ALONE where up to 35 million souls were butchered under the sanctions of The Koran. The toll of the Islamic genocide is in the hundreds of millions of human beings and it is still ongoing with no end in sight (and that doesn't even begin to take into consideration the countless civilizations, including all the Christian ones which once thrived in and around the fertile crescent, that were utterly obliterated by Islam... leaving behind the monstrous ruin and despair you see today everywhere in the Muslim world there). Butchery and murder are the school agenda of most Islamic children and the teachings of hate never end across the lifetimes of Muslims the world over... with the possible exception only of those who have not been converted to Islam long enough to have yet lost the values of their previous "human" cultures (as in Thailand, in Malaysia, in Indonesia, etc.) VISIT THOU: http://islamisbad.com Is it possible to libel Mohammed? Could anything bad enough or objectionable enough ever be said of this incomprehensibly reprehensible creep which he himself did not surpass many, many, many times over with his own vile criminal behavior and unimaginable personal degradation... as recorded by his own proud Islamic biographers? VISIT THOU: http://islamisbad.com/islamicterrorism.html Just today the UN OKed Islamic Text Against Defamation ... > > The document, which was put forward > > by the Organization of the Islamic > > Conference, "expresses deep concern > > at attempts to identify Islam with > > terrorism, violence and human rights > > violations." Perhaps those who are trying to "defame" Islam should simply cite the Koran: 1. [3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve ... 1. [8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. > > The resolution "urges states to take > > actions to prohibit the dissemination ... > > of racist and xenophobic ideas" and > > material that would incite to religious > > hatred. Oh, I'm sorry, if what the Islamic resolution is after is to ban the Koran, then, by all means, I for one am all for it: The Koran is a viciously cynical, unrelentingly martial instructionaire for the conquest and subjugation of the human race by any and all means... including encouraging rape & pillage by the conquerors if they live, and, if they die in the cause of this immoral conquest, heavenly rewards which only a monstrous Satan would provide its most loyal/depraved demons in Hell. No, it is religion(s) that should be banned. It is time for humanity to purge itself from pernicious and (mostly) vile superstitions which are not only dragging down our very humanity but destroying our morality with hate-mongering and a corrupting fight against democracy and human rights. We should pass a universal world-wide law which states categorically that "things are either real OR unreal," and that anyone caught trying to make anyone believe that a thing unreal IS real is committing a self- evident fraud (punishable by substantial prison time). Yes, it's going to be tough because, frankly, we are monkeys. And, who among us has not argued over the living room coffee table with someone about whether there is or there isn't a coffee table in the damn living room? But, it's a struggle to save lives and to perhaps even push mankind into progressing far enough ahead that we may survive the next extinction-causing asteroid that is inevitably coming our way. On Mar 18, 10:32 am, "Bug-Eyed Churl" <theda...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote: >> Islam is just another "brand" of Judaism. >> "Orthodox" Christianity, by worshipping three >> gods, escapes the monotheist trap. >> >> D. >> >> I copied the following questions and >> answers from another list. >> >> Does it contain a false answer at any point? >> >> =========================== >> >> 1) Does the Qur'an define the word "Allah"? >> No >> >> 2) Was the name "Allah" revealed for the >> first time in the Qur'an? >> No >> >> 3) Does the Qur'an assume that its readers >> have already heard of "Allah"? >> Yes >> >> 4) Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian >> history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad? >> Yes >> >> 5) According to Muslim tradition, was Muhammad >> born into a Christian family and tribe? >> No >> >> 6) Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe? >> No >> >> 7) What religion was his family and tribe? >> Pagans >> >> 8) What was the name of his pagan father? >> Abdullah (Abd + Allah) >> >> 9) Did Muhammad participate in the pagan >> ceremonies of Mecca? >> Yes >> >> 10) Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times >> worship 360 gods? >> Yes >> >> 11) Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, >> moon and the stars? >> Yes >> >> 12) Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? >> Yes >> >> 13) Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god >> different names/titles? >> Yes >> >> 14) What were some of the names/titles? >> Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah >> >> 15) Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used >> of the Moon-god? >> Yes >> >> 16) Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?" >> Yes >> >> 17) Was the pagan "Allah" a high god >> in a pantheon of deities? >> Yes >> >> 18) Was he worshipped at the Kabah? >> Yes >> >> 19) Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? >> Yes >> >> 20) Did they place a statue of Hubul >> on top of the Kabah? >> Yes >> >> 21) At that time was Hubul considered >> the Moon-god? >> Yes >> >> 22) Was the Kabah thus the "house >> of the Moon-god"? >> Yes >> >> 23) Did the name "Allah" eventually >> replace that of Hubul as the name >> of the Moon god? >> Yes >> >> 24) Did they call the Kabah the >> "house of Allah"? >> Yes >> >> 25) Did the pagans develop religious >> rites in connection with the >> worship of their gods? >> Yes >> >> 26) Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage, >> the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah >> seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving >> the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down >> two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting >> water in and out the nose, praying several times >> a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, >> etc.? >> Yes >> >> 27) Did Muhammad command his followers to >> participate in these pagan ceremonies while the >> pagans were still in control of Mecca? >> Yes (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78) >> >> 28) Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan >> religious rites? >> Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80) >> >> 29) Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called >> "the daughters of Allah"? >> Yes >> >> 30) Did the Qur'an at one point tell Muslims >> to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? >> Yes, in Surah 53:19-20 >> >> 31) Have those verses been "abrogated" >> out of the present Qur'an? >> Yes >> >> 32) What were they called? "The Satanic >> Verses"? >> Yes >> >> 33) Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan >> symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient >> world? >> Yes >> >> 34) Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god >> in Arabia? >> Yes >> >> 35) Were stars also used as pagan symbols >> of the daughers of Allah? >> Yes >> >> 36) Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia >> use the crescent moon with several stars >> next to it as symbols of their faith? >> No >> >> 37) Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon >> and stars as it religious symbol? >> Yes >> >> 38) As Islam developed over the centuries, >> did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, >> pagan temples and pagan symbols? >> Yes >> >> 39) Is it possible that most Muslims do not >> know the pagan sources of the symbols and >> rites of their own religion? >> Yes >> >> 40) Are they shocked to find out the true >> sources of their ceremonies and stories? >> Yes >> >> 41) Can Islam be the religion of Abraham >> if it is derived from paganism? >> No >> >> 42) What then is Islam? >> A modern version of one of the ancient >> fertility cults. >> >> 43) Is the "Allah" of the Qur'an, the Christian >> God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? >> No >> >> 44) Do the Jews say that the Muslim "Allah" >> is their God too? >> No >> >> 45) Then whose god is Allah? >> Paganism arah wrote: >> My dear SDR, >> >> I am so sorry to you. You have to do >> lots more reading and get the >> right stuff. Have you read the >> translation of the Quran? Until you >> read the Quran than you can explained >> better who is Muhammad and what >> God said to Muhammad. Please be fair >> to yourself and others. >> >> "By its fruit shall you know the tree." Jesus ... >> >> Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come >> to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are >> ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their >> fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of >> thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth >> good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil >> fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, >> neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. >> Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is >> hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by >> their fruits ye shall know them. >> >> Yes, Jesus is right, from your writing >> we know who you are and what >> you have in your heart. This is "God's truth" you speak, arah. For verily, if what I write are lies, then I am a bad tree indeed! But by your own standard, if what I wrote is the truth then you agree with me that Mohammed is a bad tree indeed. And I thank you for your sincere admission. Answer me this: 1) Do you have free will? [Are you able to choose Good or Evil?] 2) Do you believe God created you? If the answer to both questions above is Yes, then you believe that God created men so they may choose for themselves whether to go the way of The Good or the way of Evil. This means YOU KNOW that compunction in religion is against God's design for men: YOU KNOW that God wants every man to make up his own mind, because God gave each man the mind with which to choose for himself. And neither you nor anybody else has any excuse thinking the choice is not exclusively every man's to make. So: If you follow the way of Islam YOU KNOW you can not possibly be following the way of God... at least not until Islam ceases to be merely a blood-thirsty perversion and joins in the way of God, becoming a true religion at last. Christianity and Buddhism reject compunction when it comes to religion. And Christianity today rejects those who in the past used compunction in the name of Christianity. Condemning them as not true Christians. Only Islam remains unrepentant. Only Islam demands the murder of any Muslim who, of his own volition, chooses to follow his own wisdom. Not weeping for the lost soul, not trying to reason him back into the fold, but blood-thirsty, brutal, savage, butchery/murder. Therefore YOU KNOW which religion follows the way of God and which follows the perversions of a savage blood-thirsty desert moon-god cult. And nobody need tell you which is the true path to God, and which isn't. Because you yourself already know--And you know you know. [if I wrote a lie, please point it out--If you do not point it out, obviously, you agree all I wrote was truth] Thank you, arah, S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://music.sdrodrian.com http://mp3.sdrodrian.com re: >> i feel sorrow for you, This IS addressed to me, and so I thank you for your kind feelings towards me. Perhaps you are an honest, maybe even a decent man. But, if you are the average Muslim, you have been brain-washed by the worst mind-control cult in all of human history. Try, try, try to break away from that mind-numbing control just long enough to consider the mere possibility that it is NOT a coincidence that all the evil being done in the world today is being done in the name of Islam. That there just "might" be some real connection between the nature of terrorism and the nature of Islam. Know you this: "By its fruit shall you know the tree." Jesus ... Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. This was the warning Jesus gave the world long before Mohammed unleashed the evil that is Islam upon the world. The results are self-evident. And you do not even have to be a Christian to understand it. And it is too bad that so many have chosen to disregard this earnest warning given the world so many/many years before Mohammed was born. >> don't you feel stupid when you lie such a cheap >> lies, Of course! That's why I wish to find out where any possible lies may be, so I can expunge them. >> as if an ant like you'll make any difference with >> such a cheap lies you better study islam well before >> you start lieing about it. I have not studied the ENTIRE breadth & length of Islam, but from what I have studied: It is evil pure & simple. It is the most monstrous cult in all human history; and it has caused the most victims in all human history. It should be banned. But, like smoking (which also should be banned) it would be very difficult to ban without a great and monumental effort. And yet, it should still be banned, no matter how hard it is to ban it because not banning it will eventually be a lot more costly. Nazism was hard to get rid of, but well worth the terrible cost of having rid our planet of it at last. >> but be sure Allah currently doesn't want you, >> you can't reach Allah, you can cuss and say lies >> and filthiesness, but Allah is what you can't reach >> or understand ! From your lips to God's ear, because if the world of "the supernatural" really exists (and fairies, leprechauns, imps, jinns, goblins, ghosts & gods are real)... then Allah is without s single doubt The Most Unholy Name of Satan. Sir, it is you who is ignorant of the true despicable nature of Islam--for you could not be a Muslim and a human being at the same time. Find out a little bit about it. Just the smallest bit. And you can begin here: http://islamisbad.com RE: On Mar 26, 12:03 am, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote: >> On Mar 25, 8:10 pm, "Mirelle" >> <mirellepoe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote: >> > Lies, and vilification, of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) > Mirelle >> >> What?! No. No. What I wrote is this: >> >> BEGIN QUOTE >> >> What God Said To Mohammed: >> >> [Historical note, in passing: Instead of >> writing His Message To Mankind into >> the heart and soul of every man, woman, >> and child... God found an illiterate brute >> out in the middle of the Arabian peninsula >> and gave to that most improbably clod >> the message He wanted passed on to mankind. >> And so, apparently, as recorded in the Quran >> and elsewhere] >> >> ... Thus said God unto Mohammed: >> >> "Go and maim, butcher, and murder, steal >> and rob everything from everyone you kill. >> Knock off the heads of anyone who contradicts >> you, questions you, insults you, looks at you >> the wrong way--be it man, woman, child. Rape >> all the girls (and the boys too), no matter how >> old or young! Make war on the whole world >> that you may profit from its mounds of gold! >> Destroy all civilizations! Torture, exterminate >> entire peoples! Extinguish the light of human >> knowledge from the world! Suffocate all hopes >> of individual freedom! And, of course, pass on >> the message that I am the only God, and you >> are my messanger. Ah ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!" >> >> S DRodrian >> http://poems.sdrodrian.com >> http://physics.sdrodrian.com >> http://music.sdrodrian.com >> http://mp3.sdrodrian.com >> >> [this is just a summary of the "holy" Quran] >> And, of course, Mohammed the brute did >> all this very faithfully indeed [as recorded >> by Muslims themselves, who are still doing >> the same to this day]. >> >> END QUOTE >> >> SEE: http://islamisbad.com >> >> As you can see for yourself, EVERYTHING >> I wrote was the truth. If you have spotted >> the least falsehood in anything I wrote (above) >> please let me know and I will correct it >> immediately. That is a solemn promise, >> >> S DRodrian >> http://poems.sdrodrian.com >> http://physics.sdrodrian.com >> http://music.sdrodrian.com >> http://mp3.sdrodrian.com >> >> I still prefer Moe to your Moo, though. s...@sdrodrian.com (S D Rodrian) wrote in message <news:bf7b874e.0201091216.74045d61@posting.google.com>... >>> It is much more accurate to say that the Muslims STOLE >>> the scientific databases of the peoples they conquered >>> (since they originally were in reality, mostly illiterate >>> Arab nomads) > TYPICAL HINDU LIES. Apparently you believe that simply because I cite the horrors that Arabs/Muslims visited upon the Hindus (and Islam's genocides and theft of the treasures of Hindu civilization) that therefore I must be Hindu! This is most amusing, as it betrays you to be a person who could not imagine someone moral/ethical enough to denounce crimes committed against someone other than himself! [Don't fret, yours is a very common flaw in many human beings.] No: I am not Hindu. It's simply that the Islamic genocide of Hindus is without question the worst crime against humanity on record, that's all. Please keep this in mind in the future. In any case, to remedy my unbalanced approach, and to help satisfy your thirst for a more comprehensive historical view, here's the reprint of a letter sent to Carly Fiorina, at the time CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech given by her on September 26, 2001 which you can [no longer] find at this url: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.htm S D Rodrian What Arab Civilization? November 7, 2001 Carly Fiorina Hewlett-Packard 3000 Hanover Street Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185 Dear Madame Fiorina: It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled "Technology, Business and Our way of Life: What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly interested in the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold. I know you are a very busy woman, but please find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that you will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of the specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology. Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt). Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do. You state, "its architects designed buildings that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are referring to, but if you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological record. You state, "its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption." The fundamental basis of modern mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian Mathematics, Neugebauer). You state, "its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease." The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance. By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D. In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum). One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world, the School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology, philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of the School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus). When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization. You state, "Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely. You state, "its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things." There is very little literature in the Arabic language that comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called Syriac); see: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14408a.htm You state, "when other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others." This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a book http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/greek.htm titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in which the author lists the significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1 was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of my review: "The salient conclusion which can be drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must then ask the question, what happened to the Christian communities which made them lose this great intellectual enterprise which they had established. One can ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly, O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and we must look elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I posed in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.). Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic World). Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite? You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [suleiman] example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions." In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is the true face of Islam. Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomenie). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs). Even in America this Arabization policy http://aina.org/releases/2001/arabization.htm continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter http://www.aina.org/releases/2001/caamletter.htm to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing. There are minorities and nations struggling for survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians, Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and research when making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters. I hope you found this information enlightening. For more information, refer to the web links below. You may contact me at k...@ninevehsoft.com for further questions. Thank you for your consideration. Peter BetBasoo Web resources: Brief History of Assyrians: Assyrian International News Agency: Assyrian American National Federation: Assyrian Academic Society: Zinda Magazine: Beth Suryoyo: Nineveh Online: World Maronite Union: Maronite Research Council: World Lebanese Organization: Coptic Web: thanks: Peter BetBasoo (k...@ninevehsoft.com) On Feb 26, 10:59 pm, Jim <j...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote: >> > The So-Called "Clash of Civilizations" ... >> > "Nowhere in the world are Christians or Jews trying > to kill Muslims simply because they are Muslims. But > everywhere in the world Muslims are trying to kill > Christians and Jews (and other non-Muslims) simply > and solely because they are non-Muslims." >> > Now THAT is the crux of the problem defining the > so-called "clash of civilizations" today. And if you > don't recognize it, and try to solve it, it will > continue until we do recognize it and solve it. >> > S DRodrian >http://poems.sdrodrian.com >http://physics.sdrodrian.com >http://music.sdrodrian.com >http://mp3.sdrodrian.com >> >> Haven't read much history, have you? No: I got it wholesale from the Muslims: Everybody Muslim boasts of it. Their holy books call for it (and because Muslims are not free to be or not to be Muslims ON PAIN OF DEATH), no matter what a Muslim may say to a non-Muslim (NOTE: the Koran admonishes Muslims never to permit non-Muslins to read it because... it is a plan for the military conquest of all non-Muslims--Surprise!)... it is the mantra they are taught from DAY ONE: That non-Muslims are THE ENEMY ... not to be pitied as Christians think of non-Christians, or to be loved as some Indian sects admonish, but to be SLAUGHTERED (unless they convert, of course, and join them in the hunt of non-Muslims). And, pray tell, what does one do with THE ENEMY? Well, the Koran is very specific about this (because it assumes Muslims will have been turned into brainless morons by their religion): Slaughter them if they do not convert (except for Jews and Christians who are "permitted" to live if they pay a tax (which is, a ransom--"blackmail" is such a nasty word) of between 30 to 90 percent annually, as specified in Sharia (Islamic law)). This is why the European Imperialists found some handful of impoverished Jews and Christians still in Islamic countries when they were competing for empire. Moronover, [sic] the Koran also specifies that Muslims are to slaughter non-Muslims ONLY as long as they are more powerful militarily (which is why the large and ancient Jewish communities Mohammed found in Mecca and in Medina he slaughtered so brutally that even his butchering followers admonished him on it and he relented, agreeing to not slaughter any child that did not yet have pubic hair but instead forcing the lad to become a Muslim... while no taking up the opportunity of confronting the Eastern Roman Empire which in Mohammed's time still had the power to oppose him): The Koran (the plan composed and set down in writing by Mohammed, dictated because he himself was reputed to be illiterate) insists: If THE ENEMY is militarily stronger than you, then agree to any convenient truce while you strengthen yourself (which is why Hamas is asking Israel for an "extended truce" and why Iran is asking The Stoopid West for continued & continued & continued negotiations and continued diplomacy in their NUKES quest--because they are following the plan ... that is, the Koran, which if any of the idiots who rule Europe and America would simply READ everything would be revealed to even their idiotic eyes--but, you couldn't get George Bush to read a "Dick & Jane" first reader, let along the fucking Koran). > Which muslim country has occupied a non > muslim country? ALL countries now Islamic (with the exception of Indonesia and environs, which were convinced to become Muslim by mullahs who, after Krakatoa exploded told them it was God's punishment for not being Muslims, and the poor saps bought it--and, once Muslim, Muslims make sure you don't go back with very specific laws that if any Muslims changes his religion he/she is to be SLAUGHTERED by anybody at hand including his/her children or parents)... ALL countries now Muslim were conquered by their Muslim neighbors: ALL, except India which, after the greatest carnage/genocide in human history (with some places in India/Pakistan/ Afghanistan & environs boasting of as many as 85 million non-Muslims butchered)... proved too large: After the slaughter of 100s of millions of Hindus and other poor souls who were all basically peacefully resigned philosophically/religiously to whatever fate the world has to offer... rose up and again became belligerent enough to fight back and stop the Islamic slaughter/genocide before the British showed up there. ... are you beginning to gleam why SLAUGHTER is a quality/condition so inseparable from Muslims/Islam? If not, then perhaps you should do a little research on all of this (provided, of course, you have already gone through that "Dick & Jane" first reader): just visit http://islamisbad.com OR: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.afghanistan/msg/ee344ffc53580775?dmode=source&hl=en http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/1138bfa1c4479b79?&hl=en&q=rodrian+Hewlett+Packard+Islam from: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/41ffed2fd4e3c905/f27695a8378e5591?lnk=st&q=rodrian+Hewlett+Packard+Islam&rnum=1&hl=en#f27695a8378e5591 http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?titleArmenian_Genocide http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/india_contribution/maths.html http://answering-islam.org/index.html Or, you could do a little research for yourself. Or just simply read The Koran: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=HolKora.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=all And some of the controversies about it: http://www.quran.org/19quest.htm Then, when you watch Muslims on your TV lying through their teeth to the American public you at least will know enough to laugh (or cry when you note that no one will challenge their outrageous/deadly lies). BEGIN QUOTE: a...@microsith.com (sifu) wrote: > Is that why the Jews enoyed the > hositality of the Islamic states in > Spain for 800 years and also in > Jerusalem. You have quoted many ayats. > However YOU are NOT a scholar of Islam. > You have not read the letter > signed by Hadrat Umar Ibn al Kathab, > the second Caliph of Islam who, > based on the teachings of the Holy > Prophet Muhammad sallah alaiwassalam, > let ALL people go about their faith > and business as usual. Nor have I read Caliph el Loko's call for muslims to embrace love and compassion for all non-muslims. But I'm sure it exists--So what? In what way does it help the victim of a murder that the whole world love him but one?!?! It's futile for me to point out to you, sir, that it is not the Koran's calls for love and peace that have butchered 100s of millions of human beings in the course of the Islamic genocide against non-muslims (which is going on to this day, as there are tribes in Kashmere which are on the brink of extinction at the hands of the muslims)... it is the Koran's calls for terrorism and genocide that have moved the "pious Muslims" to those inhuman actions. The Koran may be mere words, sir. But what cannot be AND OUGHT NEVER be ignored is the fact that no muslim will condemn even the most egregiously barbaric and savage portions of the Koran! (Some of which you can read for yourself at the end of this post.) Will you? No you will not. You will instead cite those utterly irrelevant calls for love and the brotherhood of men which have never caused anybody any trouble in the whole sorry history of Islam's existence. The true terror of Islam is indeed in the terror of even the most decent-minded muslim to stand up for decency. That says all there is to say about the nature of Islam, sir. And no one need be any sort of scholar to understand that gut-real truth. > While Europe was living in > the Dark Ages in mud > huts Cordoba, the Capital of Muslim > Spain the citizens were living in > a city with street lighting, sewage > systems, and warm water. The first > university in Europe was made > by Muslims in Andalucia. No doubt, no doubt it must have been Paradise on earth... living under the muslims in Spain. So all the more perplexing then that the Spaniards themselves invested 500 brutal bloody years of revolution and war to rid themselves of their muslim benefactors, eh?! Me, I don't even put up an argument if my pizza is delivered cold and gummy. > People who > wanted to learn about science had > to know Arabic because the Muslims > were the most highly educated. They > made great advances in science, in > medicine, in astrology, physics, > maths, recovered and translated the > knowledge of the Romans and Greeks > which had been destroyed by the > Europeans. What a croc, sir! That is one of the most gigantic "big lies" of history: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/41ffed2fd4e3c905/f27695a8378e5591?lnk=st&q=rodrian+Hewlett+Packard+Islam&rnum=1&hl=en#f27695a8378e5591 For your edification ALL that so-called "Islamic" science is Greek science. The fall of the Roman Empire and the overrun of Europe by barbarians broke the thread of history there, and the muslims' only (real) contribution is that somehow they managed to avoid using what remained of ancient greek civilization as firewood. Check your history again and you will discover that there was no significant advance in science since the fall of the Roman empire and the renaissance (even almost unto the rise of the British one and the subsequent beginnings of the Industrial Revolution, yesterday). What muslim "scholars" added (mostly in practical medicine, because of their lack of scruples about cutting up people, living or dead) can be summed up in the same manner one sums up their great Islamic achievements in architecture: They copied, sir, they copied. The Arab muslims were utterly illiterate barbarians just out of the desert, and their only original achievement is the camel. Throughout the Islamic conquest, what the Islamic barbarians did not destroy (the same way they recently destroyed the great Buddahs in Afghanistan), they shamelessly converted into Islamic mosques (like the Hagia Sophia Church in Constantinople, now a mosque--yet God-forbid a mosque should ever be made a church: the entire Islamic world would rise up against that outrage) ... after which you saw the sprouting of mosques (in the style of the Hagia Sophia Church) elsewhere. Even the great Taj Mahal in India is really an ancient Hindu temple to Shiva which the muslims have desecrated just as they desecrated every Christian Church they ever got hold of, and even the holiest ground in the promised land, the Temple of The Lord at Jerusalem originally built by Solomon [even after Mohammed himself was reported to have been annihilated by God for having violated the sanctity of the House of The Lord with his filthy presence]. ALL the wealth muslims have ever owned they have stolen from the people who originated that wealth until the coming of petroleum. And ALL the splendor of Islamic "civilization" has been the enjoyment by the muslims of all they managed to steal from their rightful owners. They are, have always been, and ever will be ignorant and blind to true civilization as long as they are under the unforgiving psychological enslavement of Islam. Once the petroleum runs out, the Arabs will be swallowed up by their brutal culture right back into the desert from which they came, for, until the coming of petroleum there NEVER was a single moment in all of Islamic history when their "greatness" was not a thing stolen from somebody else... no matter what any Hollywood movie says. SEE: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html > In Islam a person is only allowed to attack a > soldier and not civilians. Well, you should tell that to the massacred at the twin towers. You should tell that to the 300,000 (or maybe as many as 1.2 million) Arminiam massacred. You should tell that to the countless millions and millions of Hindus and others massacred by the muslims. I'm sure it will make them rest better in their graves, all those women and children soldiers. http://www.cilicia.com/armo10.html > Your knowledge of Islam is futile. My knowledge of Islam is enough. My knowledge of muslims and their crimes is already too much to bear. I wish the world had never heard of the bastards. And I am certain I am not the only one who wishes that. And I, for one, do not need to know the color of my murderer's underwear. I know this: If Islam is the ultimate major source of terrorism in today's world, and it absolutely is (or just take the Islamic terrorists themselves at their word when they all cite the Koran as their marching orders)... then it's better that the whole world start looking into the reason why Islam is the greatest source of evil in the world, instead of pretending its sulfuring festering open wound is a lovely blue pool from which "for some inexplicable reason" pus seems to be oozing from it on a regular basis: For centuries the world thought disease was caused by magic, and it was not until the world finally confronted the real cause of disease that the world has finally begun to control pestilence. I tell you this: Not until Islamic "scholars" themselves begin to confront the evil of Islam will that evil begin to come under control. And it's for the benefit of muslims themselves that this ought to be done, for the Islamic world is STILL in the grips of a savage and brutal dark ages which far surpasses the European Dark Ages which the West put behind it CENTURIES AGO. The saving grace of the Christian world has, ever since the European Dark Ages, been that there are so many Christian sects (preventing any one of them from brainwashing Europeans with a lot of religious gibberish). And what the Islamic world is in dire need of is its own Martin Luthers to demand a frank and open discussion among muslims of those portions of the Koran which are self-evidently more Satanic than sacred: [8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. Meaning, pure and simple, and without any apologies: Terrorize non-muslims to your heart's delight. Make it as gruesome as you care to make it. And throughout the history of the Islamic conquest... it has been spectacularly gruesome, as uncounted millions of innocents have been butchered, not by a handful of renegade fundamentalists, but by the full power of the muslim states and potentates. And now you might be starting to get an inkling of the desperation with which the muslim- besieged Christian communities of the holy land begged for help from their European brethren before the coming of the historical first European crusades. Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim. Who among you can really believe that a pious person can trust that what his "bible" says is true, and yet that he can somehow ignore the command (above)... without doubting his faith and commitment?! It is no coincidence that the terrorists involved in the September 11 massacre are all reported by their family and neighbors as being exceptionally pious and devoted believers, "quiet and honest" persons who spent their days in meditation at the local mosques (as not as criminals/ruffians). It's such a universal picture of them [cliche] that the FBI could have predicted which muslims would turn the deadliest terrorists just from seeing which of them proved the most pious and quiet and devoted, honest and full of Islamic humility and gentility. Sahih Muslim The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman) Book 001, Number 0033: It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on mybehalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah. The above verse from the Koran explicitly orders that muslims respect the lives and properties ONLY of muslims (those who "testify," or "Allah's Witnesses," so to speak). This implies one truly monstrous suggestion... that the lives and properties of non- muslims are forfeit de facto. And throughout history muslim conquerors and criminals have reaped untold treasures from non-muslims, no less than millions and millions of innocent lives whose sole "crime" was that they lived within reach of muslims and owned properties worth stealing even at the cost of all their lives. [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. The Koran does not say, "Jews and Christians are your equal, so respect and honor them as equal." Instead it explicitly says (above) that they (the Jews and the Christians) are to be forced to acknowledge the superiority of Islam and that they (Jews and Christians) are in a state of subjection. Need anyone say anything more on why it is that the Saudis and others will only permit near them non-muslims who are willing to give their lives to save theirs? Need anyone explain why Israel will NEVER have borders which are secured by international or local treaties? [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). It is a religious duty for all pious muslims to fight their non-muslim neighbors. And it is only the secular Islamic tyrants who have suppressed this religious duty, in Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, and the rest of them (all the dear friends and allies of George Bush and company). But how long do you imagine dictators of any sort last? Do you really believe that the "aspirations" of native populations can be denied for ever? Well, that's what the West has staked its future on! [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. What general would not wish to command men pious enough to believe what their "bible" tells them (above)... that if they die in the battle (and what muslim general fights a battle which isn't "in the way of Allah?!") they shall be rewarded in the afterlife for their count of enemy corpses?! From the Sunnah of the Prophet (the "other leg" of the Koran): [9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem Since time immemorial muslims have been urged by verses like the one above into merciless acts of terror against non-muslims. And frankly today's Islamic acts of terror pale in comparison with historical ones in which literally MILLIONS of non- muslims were slaughtered wholesale and their lands and properties looted as the reward for their murderers. Even the bloody Twentieth Century began with the muslim genocide of the Armenian christians at the hands of the muslim Turks. Want to know more? SEE: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/ I know there are those of you out there who will scoff, asserting that nobody "here" takes the Bible seriously now. That's true. Nobody NOW, in today's Western secular humanistic world takes the Bible seriously (outside a few pathetic christian evangelicals and fundamentalists), but back in the European Dark Ages... who did not take the Bible to be absolutely and literally the sacred word and holy commands of God? Well, the point IS that the Islamic world is NOT a secular humanistic one but one which is STILL as deeply mired in its own Dark Ages just as the West was centuries ago. It was nothing back then for Europeans to burn innocent lonely old ladies as witches, and it's nothing today for even the most "respectable" and "decent and honest" and "most admired (by the West)" muslims to stone people to death, to cut off the hands of bicycle thieves, and to carry out every other sort of unimaginably unspeakable barbarities as the "brightest light of Islamic civilization" muslims can cite. The fact that the Egyptian and Turkish dictators do not do this is "proof" in the eyes of their more pious native populations that they are corrupt puppets of the infidel West. It is not some secular stubborn gang of diehards that simply refuse to accept peace with Israel... it is the explicit demands written in the Koran which demand the removal of non-muslims from the Hebrews's promised land, as well as explicitly calling for terrorism against non-muslims: THAT is never going to be "fixed" by ignoring that such facts are real! These "sacred" demands are part of the muslim believers' core of religious duty, and they shall remain there as they have remained to this day. And what does it matter if a few opportunists and criminals like the dictators who have seized power in so many Islamic countries have the ability to keep their states from obeying the dictums of the Koran? Eventually they will be overthrown by pious muslims who, like Khomenei in Iran who will immediately order their states into massive religious wars... as they are explicitly commanded to do in the Koran (which see) be they cold or hot wars. And the West is being foolish to the core in arming the armies of these secular tyrants [in Iraq today George W. Bush is actually arming the very army Americans will eventually have to fight! Yes: The Iraqi Army is already in the hands of Shi'ite militia people who have expressedly sworn that they are ready to join the Iranian Army in its war against America. What George Bush is still doing in Iraq I don't know!] (in the vain hope perhaps that they can prevent their own native Islamic populations from establishing Islamic republics maybe?)... ultimately only to see such Islamic republics use those very same West-supplied weapons turned against them, or simply against innocent populations whose sole "crime" is that they happen to be the muslims' closest neighbors. That, the West's self-defeating attitude in dealing with muslim states and muslim populations, no less than their chevalier attitude with regard to its (the West's) dependence on Gulf petroleum... has mitigated the muslim world's inability to compete in the modern world. For the muslim world can never escape its Dark Ages on its own: Modernity is the direct result of the free flow of information, and Islam depends for its survival on maintaining muslim populations ignorant of just how bad they have it. This absolute incompatibility between modernity and Islam will (the minute the oil runs out) throw the Arabs back into the REAL dark ages again (it shall be, for muslims, like waking from a glimpse of Paradise, and finding themselves once again in Hell): And the only thing the West really has anything to worry about is the possibility that nuclear technology has not been sold to muslims with dark ages mentalities and frames of mind. Ooops, too late: Pakistan, remember? And, perhaps Iran as well... who knows? [i personally believe that it is Pakistan which will eventually prove the deadliest nightmare the West will face...] > The picture of the Muslim soldier > advancing with a sword in onehand > and the Qur'an in the other is quite false. I tend to believe the testimony of millions of the victims of Islamic conquest and genocide. I tend to believe the Koran when it itself says: 1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." In the above verse the "great" prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving step by step instructions on how to torture and kill the unbelievers if they don't follow Islam. He is clearly instructing Muslims to commit cold-blooded murder in the name of religion. 2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not." The above verse was stated by Mohammed after his first terrorist attack. He and his followers mercilessly massacred four innocent and unarmed merchants at Nakhla in 623 AD. The massacre came in January, the sacred month of Rejeb. Arabs regard this month as a sacred month, when warfare and violence is forbidden. Since this barbaric criminal act was led and sanctioned by the "great" prophet Mohammed, we can conclude that Islam's sacred activities include the looting and cold-blooded murder of innocent individuals. The very beginnings of Islam are stained with the blood of innocents. By stating the above verse, Mohammed completely absolved himself from all blame for having murdered innocents. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that God is completely justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. The import of this verse is that killing and violence are JUSTIFIED for Muslims, because they are doing it by divine ordinance! It is a religious duty of every Muslim to murder anyone who comes in the way of Islam. Since it is also the duty of every Muslim to ensure that the entire world is converted to Islam by force if necessary, one must directly conclude that it is the religious duty of Muslims to kill all those who are non-Muslim. This conclusion is derived directly from the supreme edict of Allah, who admonishes that even the Muslim who feels it is wrong to kill, must murder in the name of Allah, otherwise one is not a true Muslim. Over and above this, Mohammed is hypocritically implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because God ordained it. 3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful." This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle of Badr. This battle occurred on March 17, 623 AD. This is the month of Ramadan --another sacred month for the Muslims! In this battle, Mohammed and his followers killed at least 70 innocent merchants from the Quraysh tribe of Mecca and slaughtered several hundred soldiers who came forward to defend them. Here God the "Merciful" is saying that all the non-believers deserve to be killed! In addition, God is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to God. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all made perfectly legal with the Muslim God as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having [uncharacteristically] spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could ransom their lives for more money. In today's world this is called "taking hostages" and defines "Terrorism" of the worst kind. 4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat." The above verses from the Koran prove that Muslims are specifically instructed not to tolerate unbelievers. It directly states that people who do not believe in Mohammed and the Islamic God are to be tortured and murdered.. Not only does this verse clearly indicate that unbelievers must be tortured and killed, it goes on further to state prescribed methods for committing torture. The horrific acts mentioned above are in practice even today in Islamic countries. In fact, in India, Muslims tortured the Sikh Gurus and their families exactly as prescribed by the Koran. For example, the Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur was imprisoned in a cage like a wild animal, when he refused to forsake his religion for Islam. Three of his disciples were murdered in front of his eyes. One of them was Bhai Mati Das. He was sawed alive into little pieces (anyone who follows the exploits of al-Qaida today should be familiar with this practice). The other was wrapped up in cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive in a cauldron. Guru Tegh Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and killed in a similar fashion. One wonders at the mercy of "The all beneficent Allah" who enjoys watching the roasted burnt flesh of hapless innocents falling off their bones. 5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful." 6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning." 7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire." The above verses clearly state extreme terrorist activities, as they contain nothing but detailed recipes of horrific torture. Cutting off the hands and feet of individuals and then making them walk and jump, pouring boiling waters over their victims, making them drink it, burning them alive, inserting hot iron rods into their bodies, dismemberment and disembowelment, genital mutilation etc. are common Islamic practices. Koran 17:16-17 When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants Here Allah, the God of the Muslims is clearly stating the exact method that he adopts when he commits genocide of an entire POPULATION. And why does Allah decide to destroy entire populations? Simply because they don't believe in Allah and so Allah will kill them all, to take revenge. Next Allah is indulging in an unbelievable display of conceit. He is actually BOASTING about how many generations he has destroyed after Noah. If Allah had a list of his merits, no doubt genocide of numerous generations of people would top his list. Allah enjoys watching the annhilation of thousands of Non-Muslims at the hands of his pious followers, the Muslims. Koran 8:37 In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost The "All-Merciful Allah" is now specifically instructing all "peace- loving Muslims" to heap up a mountain of corpses of the non believers. Of course, in order to do this holy task for Allah, the Muslim must first go out and attack innocent Non- Muslims and massacre them so that Allah's wishes are fulfilled. Allah seems to have an inexhaustible thirst for the blood of innocents. Note that the reason given to massacre non-believers is that "Allah may seperate the Impure from the Pure." It has nothing to do with self-defense or protection as Muslims like to argue. The explicit purpose for this heinous crime is so that Allah can easily differentiate between the Muslims and Non-Muslims. This way it becomes a lot easier for Allah and his "angelic" helpers to dump the heaps of murdered Non-Muslims into Hellfire. Koran 21:11 How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their inequities, setting up in their place other peoples Again Allah is boasting about his amazing exploits such as genocide and displacement of innocent people. The justification for this crime is that these innocent people had "inequities". Apparently any community which is not Muslim is full of inequities by Islamic definition and therefore fair game for all pious Muslims to massacre and plunder. Koran 2:8-10 In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will incur, because they are false. So Allah not only exhorts Muslims to kill all the non-believers, he also strikes down the surviving ones with disease and pain. Any good Muslim must surely carry out their beloved Allah's word. In fact Allah's word seems to be very much in effect in today's world. This is why one sees pious, Allah-loving Muslims like Saddam Hussein nursing factories that make weapons of biological and chemical warfare. Saddam is complying perfectly with Allah's wishes to the letter when he manufactures strains of deadly viruses to be unleashed on unsuspecting non-believers like the Israelis and Americans. He has secured a place in Islamic "Jannat" (Paradise) for himself by following Allah's orders so religiously. Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty Those who resist Allah and His "Messenger" obviously refers to anyone who is not a Muslim. Therefore every Non-Muslim must be crushed to death by the holy edict of Allah. No doubt it was this very verse which must have served as a motivation for those pious Muslims who bombed the World Trade Center. Allah must have been extremely pleased to watch all those innocent Non-Muslims being crumbled/cushed to death. Koran 44:43-50 Verily the Tree of Zaqqum will be the food of the sinful. Like molten brass it will boil in their insides, Like the boiling of scalding water Seize Ye Him and drag him into the midst of the blazing Fire Then pour over his head the penalty of Boiling Water Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They shall be Companions of the Fire and abide in it. Koran 2:89-90 The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam) Thus have they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith (Islam) Koran 5:33 The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is: Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land Koran 9:35 On the day when Heat will be produced out of the wealth in the Fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their sides and their backs- "This is the treasure that ye buried for yourselves, taste ye then the treasures that ye buried." If you do happen to pick up that copy of the Koran as I mentioned, don't expect your fate to improve, unless you become a Muslim. Allah doesn't want Non-believers to understand the Koran. This is quite understandable on Allah's part, because any self-respecting human being who reads the Koran will be revolted at the violence and sadism espoused in it. Is it any wonder that Muslims don't want Non-Muslims to read or discuss any part of the Koran? They are afraid, that anyone who reads it will soon realise the true nature of Islam, which is genocide sanctioned by religion. Here Allah explains that Non-Muslims will never be "allowed" to understand the Koran: Koran 17:46-47 And we put coverings over their hearts and minds, lest they should understand the Koran, and we put deafness in their ears; when you commemorate your Lord (Allah) and Him alone in the Koran [Mohammed expects Muslims to read from the Koran and that some non-muslims may over-hear the Muslim "prayers" but he tells his soldiers not to worry about it] If a Non-Muslim cannot understand the Koran, how is he/she expected to convert to Islam on their own accord? This is obviously an admission on Allah's part that people can be converted to Islam only by violent force, because he has ensured that they cannot understand it via reading the Koran. For any Non-Muslim to understand the Koran would be absolutely counterproductive to Islam. Muslims have hidden the truth from Non-Muslims for ages. It is a fact that the available English translations of the Koran do not contain many of the original Arabic Verses. Many particular verses were edited and changed by Muslims, because they were just "too violent" and explicitly revealed the brutal and barbaric nature of Islam. The Koran is a psychological manual that incites hatred and violence in the reader. It was specifically designed for this very purpose, so that the Prophet Mohammed could carry on his tradition of Genocide and Terrorism, long after his death. The entire recorded history of Muslims is a testament to this fact. Note: The Meaning of the Holy Quran by Abdullah Yusuf Ali has been used to compose this article. From: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html END QUOTE > You are stupid! Yes, I am that. And embarrassingly asocial too. And impatient with all my fellow stupid monkeys. And always eager to enlighten them. Therefore, let me assure you: Evil has never gone away on its own. Unconfronted, Islam will continue to spew terrorism and genocide into a world unwilling and/or unable to face up to Islam's insidious and unrepentant evil. Civilization is whistling past [its] grave when it pretends that Islam is a religion like the other (real) religions. But think: The thing about religious fanatics is that THEY NEVER GO AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS TEXTS. All anybody has to do is but read THOSE TEXTS and he/she will know what Hamas and Iran are planning to do... step by step by step by step: They CAN NOT subvert in the slightest the plan laid down in/as their religious texts: Learn the texts and you have learned their plan. And then you will be invulnerable to the lies THE TEXT commands Muslims to tell non-Muslims and the stratagems they are allowed and not allowed to follow in their compliance with their plans' deadly demands. And, before it's tooo late. S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://music.sdrodrian.com Other quotes: > Annie Besant in 'The Life and Teachings > of Mohammad,' Madras, 1932. > > It is impossible for anyone who > studies the life and character of the > great Prophet of Arabia, who knew > how he taught and how he lived, to > feel anything but reverence for > that mighty Prophet, one of the great > messengers of the Supreme. And > although in what I put to you I shall > say many things which may be > familiar to many, yet I myself feel, > whenever I reread them, a new > way of admiration, a new sense of > reverence for that mighty Arabian > teacher. I wonder what Anne would have said of these works by the "great Prophet of Arabia" .... 1. Lets start with the "great" Mohammed himself, the founder of this "fabulous" faith. Mohammed was married to Khadija Bibi, his employer and 15 years his senior. At that time Mohammed was 25 years old. He was Khadija Bibi's third husband. Khadija Bibi was a widow when she married Mohammed. For the first time in his life, Mohammed enjoyed a luxurious life. This shows the parasitic nature of Mohammed who married his employer so that he can live a rich life without putting in a single day's work. 2. Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed was 49 years old. Between the ages of 49 and 63 the "great prophet" married at least 11 times. This shows how he treated the institution of marriage. For him, women were nothing but objects for sexual fulfillment. Marrying at least 11 women in 14 years throws light on his insatiable sexual appetite. Read on about the "greatness" of this prophet. 3. Mohammed's favourite wife was Ayesha Bibi who was 6 years old when she was married to him. Marrying a 6 year old baby clearly shows that Mohammed was not only a womanizer but also a child molester. 4. Mohammed's adopted son Zayed was married to Zainab, daughter of Jahsh. But one day the prophet "beheld in a loose undress, the beauty of Zainab, and burst forth into an ejaculation of devotion and desire. The servile, or greatful, freeman (Zayed) understood the hint and yielded without hesitation to the love of the benefactor." Mohammed was not satisfied with his own overflowing harem and had to marry his son's wife. His son being a devoted follower of the "great" prophet was more than happy to divorce his wife. What a great father- in-law Mohammed was, a model for all Islamic father-in-laws! Mohammed preached what he practised. This is supported by the following verses from Quran and Hadiths. Quotes from the "Holy" Quran on Women II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will... IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness ...confine them until death claims them. IV/16: (For Men) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah is forgiving and merciful. As you can see, for women any sort of sexual exploration is punishable by death. Whereas for a man, any form of perversion is pardoned by the all merciful Allah. XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies ... from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the right to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439) It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430) Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431) > -------------------------------------------- > K. S. Ramakrishna Rao in 'Mohammed: > The Prophet of Islam,' 1989 > > My problem to write this monograph > is easier, because we are not > generally fed now on that (distorted) > kind of history and much time > need not be spent on pointing out > our misrepresentations of Islam. The > theory of Islam and sword, for > instance, is not heard now in any > quarter worth the name. The > principle of Islam that there is no > compulsion in religion is well known. Rao must have lived in some other dimension (I would probably propose the Bizarro dimension.) > --------------------------------------------------- > > James Michener in Islam: > The Misunderstood Religion > Reader's Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70. > > "No other religion in history spread > so rapidly as Islam. The West has > widely believed that this surge of > religion was made possible by the > sword. But no modern scholar > accepts this idea, and the Quran > is explicit in the support of the > freedom of conscience." Probably the millions of Indians who once were Hindus and were butchered all committed suicide and blamed it on the muslims. The Armenians who were butched by the muslim Turks were probably suicides as well (I believe that's what the Turks say to this day). > "Muhammad, the inspired man > who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 > into an Arabian tribe that worshiped idols. > Orphaned at birth, he was > always particularly solicitous of the > poor and needy, the widow and > the orphan, the slave and the > downtrodden. At twenty he was already a > successful businessman, and soon > became director of camel caravans for > a wealthy widow. When he reached > twenty-five his employer recognizing > his merit, proposed marriage. Even > though she was fifteen years older, > he married her and as long as she > lived remained a devoted husband." Listen to this astonishing spin and then read the naked facts of Muhammad's life! I mean, these people have no shame what so ever! Continuing to quote this disgusting lies is beyond my patience. Rather, simply read for yourself the words of the Koran and judge: Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys. The relevant verses from the Koran are: Koran 78:31 As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high-bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup. Koran 37:40-48 ...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches. Koran 44:51-55 ...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins) Koran 52:17-20 ...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them... Koran 55:56-57 In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?" In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness. Quote from Hadiths Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34 Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them." YOUNG BOYS Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls. The relevant verses from the Koran are: Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded. Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness. Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls. WINE Mohammed had to find more selling points besides virgins, young boys and plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without rivers of wine for his followers? Wine was an extremely precious commodity in the dry deserts of Arabia where it was rare to find vineyards. Mohammed had a problem here- he had to include wine in his 'Paradise-Package' but how could he include it in the list when Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to do this was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine by nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating. The relevant verses from the Koran are: Koran 47:15 Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it are...rivers of wine... Koran 37:40-48 But the true servants of God shall be well provided for, ...they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them. Koran 56:7-40 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine: Koran 83:23-26 The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk... From The New York Times' THE JIHAD FILES published March 18, 2002 ... One document (from al-Qaida training manuals discovered in Afghanistan) began with an explanation of the instructor's goals: "God Almighty has ordered us to terrorize his enemies," it reads. "In compliance with God's order and his Prophet's order, in an attempt to get out of the humiliation in which we have found ourselves, we shall propose to those who are keen on justice, fighting against those who oppose them and those who diminish them until they receive fresh orders from God. To those alone, we present: `Rudimentary Methods in the Manufacturing of Explosive Materials Effective for Demolition Purposes.' " This is quite true, and NOT a "lie" by Islamic fundamentalists, since the Koran does specifically say as much. And which, if you were smart, you'd READ FOR YOURSELF. There is no need to go to any mosque. The Koran is available everywhere/all over the Internet now: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=HolKora.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=all But I advise you to take a closer look at Islam for yourself, using your own mind... impartially, as I did. (I too was once content to believe the crap Muslims AND their Western stooges like to feed the world.) The tools to do this are also everywhere available on the internet: http://www.quran.org/19quest.htm http://answering-islam.org/index.html http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.afghanistan/msg/ee344ffc53580775?dmode=source&hl=en http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/1138bfa1c4479b79?&hl=en&q=rodrian+Hewlett+Packard+Islam from: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/41ffed2fd4e3c905/f27695a8378e5591?lnk=st&q=rodrian+Hewlett+Packard+Islam&rnum=1&hl=en#f27695a8378e5591 http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Armenian_Genocide http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/india_contribution/maths.html Perhaps the knowledge will make you a good Christian. And if you're now a Muslim: Hope no one murders you simply because you are curious about THE TRUTH (and I really mean that). Good look, [sic] S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://music.sdrodrian.com http://mp3.sdrodrian.com On Mar 27, 11:37 am, "landyman_alby" <landyman_a...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> SDR wrote: >> http://islamisbad.com >> " every Non-Muslim must be crushed >> to death by the holy edict >> of Allah." >> In the cities of the nations the >> LORD your God is giving you as >> an inheritance, do not leave alive >> anything that breathes. >> (Deut. 20:16) >> What book does this "holy edict" come from? Hello! It comes from a book no longer taken seriously (self-evidently, since there are many Christians and Muslins "breathing" in the lands the LORD gave the Jews as their inheritance). On the other hand, non-Muslims are not faring as well on the lands conquered by the Muslims' sword (there is but ONE Jew left in Afghanistan, and most of the Jews once "barely breathing" among the Arabs are now living in Israel--thank you--You know: that part of The Lord's Inheritance for the Jewish people which said Jewish People have managed to pry from the satanic Muslim squatters that moved in after the Romans killed the rightful inheritors of God). Madam (or weird sir), your implied contention that the fact that somebody else has done evil in the world justifies/exculpates the evil that you do is merely a reflection of your very great wickedness and utter lack of principles. In other words: Madam, thou art a reprobate! S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://music.sdrodrian.com http://mp3.sdrodrian.com from REUTERS March 30, 2007 ... UN Rights Body Condemns "Defamation" of Religion GENEVA (Reuters) - The United Nations top human rights body condemned "defamation'' of religion on Friday and, in an apparent reference to the storm over the Prophet cartoons, said press freedom had its limits. With the support of China, Russia and Cuba, Moslem and Arab states comfortably won a vote on the 47-state Human Rights Council to express concern at "negative stereotyping'' of religions and "attempts to identify Islam with terrorism.'' "The resolution is tabled in the expectation that it will compel the international community to acknowledge and address the disturbing phenomena of the defamation of religions, especially Islam,'' said Pakistan, speaking on behalf of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. The resolution was opposed by Western states which said it focused too much on Islam. The job of the Council was to deal with the rights of individuals not religions, they said. "The European Union does not see the concept of defamation of religion as a valid one in a human rights discourse,'' a spokeswoman for the delegation of Germany, which holds the EU presidency, told the Council. The resolution urged countries to ensure their laws gave adequate protection against acts of "hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion resulting from defamation of religions.'' While everybody had the right to freedom of expression, this should be exercised according to limitations of the law and respect for others, including respect for religions and beliefs, it said. In 2006, violent protests rocked cities from Morocco to Malaysia over Danish cartoons of Islam's Prophet Mohammad published in September 2005, which Muslims regarded as sacrilegious and an attack on their beliefs. The vote was 24 countries in favor of the resolution, 14 against and with 9 abstentions. GO TO http://islamisbad.com before it's too late. There you will find all you need to know about the Evil that is Islam, both historically and in the modern world. And you won't have to wrack your brain over why GOD should command war, death, torture, and rape, genocide, and terror against human beings (as Mohammed said He did). Muslims are today engaged in a great battle throughout the West (to try to extinguish freedom of expression/freedom of the press) specifically designed to keep YOU from having access to the relevant deadly facts about Islam. Some skirmishes they have lost, but some other skirmishes they have definitely won (as shown in the --March 30, 2007-- Reuters report above). But make no mistake about this: their aim is above all to stifle YOUR right to hold an open debate on the merits/demerits of Islam because they KNOW they can not win such a debate. The bastards will claim an article like this one as "an example of the defamation of Islam" TO WESTERNERS ... but they will NEVER print this article in any Muslim country's newspaper to show their own peoples an example of such a "defamation" because an article like this one would inform ordinary Muslims on the true nature of Islam (if it were lies they would be only too eager to print it everywhere). And Muslim populations are all kept horrifically ill informed on the true historical and moral vileness that is Islam: Evil depends on lies. And they all know that Islam can not survive the light of TRUTH being turned on it--from ANY direction. It shall be most interesting to see whether human civilization survives or is eventually subsumed and destroyed as thoroughly as all those once great and mighty civilizations which once thrived (where now only the devastation in which most Muslims live exists). Compare the wealthy Taiwanese with the many & many beggar peoples of Islamic countries. I suspect it shall come down to whether we insist that the truth is infinitely more important than any hurt feelings, or we permit lies to go unchallenged just to spare the liars. S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://music.sdrodrian.com http://mp3.sdrodrian.com In "Mohammed Cartoons, Part II?" Lauren Keane wrote in the Washington Post: > Every Friday for the past few weeks, embassies > in Kabul have told foreign nationals to prepare > for a rerun of the 2005 Mohammed cartoon riots. > Back then, mobs attacked Western businesses > and embassies across the Islamic world to protest > images in a Danish newspaper that depicted the > Prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban. > This time the potential affront is a film made by > right-wing Dutch politician Geert Wilders, in which > he denounces Islam's Koran as a "fascist" book > that "incites people to murder." Rumors put out > by the Wilders camp suggest he burns a copy of > the Koran in the film. > Both cartoon and film (due to be released next > month) are clearly crass and self-serving exercises > that pay lip service to the idea of freedom of speech > while being little more than vehicles for xenophobia. Question: Is denouncing NAZI literature as "fascist" and "inciting people to murder" ... "clearly crass and self-serving exercises that pay lip service to the idea of freedom of speech while being little more than vehicles for xenophobia?" Surely the Answer must be that such a denunciation is either true or false, and therefore worthy or worthless. Well, while Hitler could be held responsible for the murders of up to 65 million human beings, there are some places in India ALONE where up to 35 million souls were butchered under the sanctions of The Koran. The toll of the Islamic genocide is in the hundreds of millions of human beings and it is still ongoing with no end in sight (and that doesn't even begin to take into consideration the countless civilizations, including all the Christian ones which once thrived in and around the fertile crescent, that were utterly obliterated by Islam... leaving behind the monstrous ruin and despair you see today everywhere in the Muslim world there). Butchery and murder are the school agenda of most Islamic children and the teachings of hate never end across the lifetimes of Muslims the world over... with the possible exception only of those who have not been converted to Islam long enough to have yet lost the values of their previous "human" cultures (as in Thailand, in Malaysia, in Indonesia, etc.) VISIT THOU: http://islamisbad.com Is it possible to libel Mohammed? Could anything bad enough or objectionable enough ever be said of this incomprehensibly reprehensible creep which he himself did not surpass many, many, many times over with his own vile criminal behavior and unimaginable personal degradation... as recorded by his own proud Islamic biographers? VISIT THOU: http://islamisbad.com/islamicterrorism.html S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com All religions are local. Only science is universal. In a Washingtonpost.com article, "The Spell of Islamophobia" Eboo Patel wrote: > I spoke about how Muslim history and > theology support religious pluralism. Yes? This may help explain why it is that Islamic cultures (all of which started out from pluralistic non-Islamic civilizations) are everywhere today a monolithic Islamic mind-control culture where even the mere expression of a possible change of religion is instantly punished by death (and where children are encouraged to murder their parents, brothers, and sisters ... and it is demanded of parents they murder their children if they stray from Islamic law). Today only a few Christian souls remain of what was an Egypt which was once all Christian. The last few surviving Christians are even now leaving Iran and Iraq. In the East, where Islam has but only recently taken over countries like Indonesia, Thailand, and the like... and in Africa the old civilizations there are in abeyance and steady retreat under the unrelenting violence and intimidation of Islam--so too there soon you will see nothing but the soulless mind-control slavery you see everywhere in the Islamic world. DO NOT FALL FOR THE MUSLIM PROPAGANDA. Look into the history of the Islamic Plague which has devastated a third of humanity. The answer is in history, not in articles by Muslim propagandists like Eboo Patel & others. VISIT THOU http://islamisbad.com You can begin from there, and Google your way to the truth, maybe even before it's too late. S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://thesolutionisthis.com http://mp3.sdrodrian.com All religions are local. Only science is universal. Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims Islam, the Multicultural Cemetery -- An Open Letter to an Educated Liberal by Alexander Maistrovoy 09 Jul, 2007 "And for the first time, with a sudden shiver, came the clear knowledge of what the meat I had seen in the Underworld might be. These careless Eloi were mere fatted cattle, which the ant-like Morlocks preserved and preyed upon." "The Time Machine" of H G Wells My dear brainy friend! The communist slogan in the former Soviet Union was: "We say Lenin, we mean the Party, we say the Party, we mean Lenin". For you it could sound like this: "We say multiculturalism, we mean Islam, we say Islam, we mean multiculturalism". The Muslim world is the last and sole barrier on the way to your dream about cultural pluralistic society. "Even a Spaniard can be French. An Arab cannot be." In despair you are ready to fasten on a kaffiyeh on yourself and a yashmak on your wife in order to drag a Muslim into your Cloud Castle. "To be French today means not only to be ethnically French, but also Italian, Vietnamese, Chinese, Jew, Arab, Spanish..." (F. Mitterrand) It's your fixed idea, your choice. I will only remind you, my starry-eyed friend, what the role of a "true believer" is in the multicultural society, whether he comes there invited or uninvited. For hundreds of years the Middle East was the embodiment of the real multicultural ideal, the thesaurus of spiritual and philosophical knowledge. Antique mystery religions and Zoroastrism; the Ebonites and the first Christian sects; Gnosticism and Kabbalistic teachings; the Neoplatonics and the Manichees, the Arians and the Nestorians" all of them had co-existed in harmony. They conveyed their ideas and views of the world from one to another in this gigantic melting-pot of human spirit. Whether you know about it or not, it was from this fathomless source, that European philosophy, theology and learning got strength which paved the way to freedom and liberal values. One of the first acts of triumphant Islam was the burning of the famous Alexandrine library. But it was only the beginning, because at that time Islam was relatively tolerant and noble. And what is more, it joined this melting-pot (so, my dear friend, don't blame me of jaundice). Islam showed the world the mysticism of Sufis with their poetry of Life and extenuation of material benefits, expressed in Druze religion. Much later, the most humanistic religion of the present times (the Baha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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