Better hitter? Barry Bonds or Babe Ruth?

[jaxmagicman]

Barry Bonds or Babe Ruth?

I am going to go with Barry Bonds. He is doing things with the bat that Babe Ruth can only dream about. Next year he will pass by Babe Ruth on the all-time homer list. He already owns the season record.

 

[Reh]

If he wasn't such a ******* cheater maybe people would give a ****.

 

[jaxmagicman]

If he wasn't such a ******* cheater maybe people would give a ****.

Well, please provide proof of where he cheated. Until then, keep your I-follow-the-crowd-and-do-no-thinking-on-my-own mind out of here.

 

[Reh]

Well, please provide proof of where he cheated. Until then, keep your I-follow-the-crowd-and-do-no-thinking-on-my-own mind out of here.

The cream and the clear... he said it himself. And if you don't like that just look at the numbers.

 

[Snowman]

Actually, he denies that he ever said that, and pretty much accused the reporter of making it up. Since the grand jury testimony is sealed, we don't know the truth.

 

[jaxmagicman]

The cream and the clear... he said it himself. And if you don't like that just look at the numbers.

Well, please show me where he said he used the stuff. Also what numbers should we be looking at? The numbers seem normal to anyone who understands basic player development.

 

[Snowman]

1. The whole issue of steroids should not enter into the conversation unless he tests positive. Innocent until proven guilty, you might have heard of it.

2. I still have to go with that ******* Ruth, simply because the gap between his numbers and those of his peers was far, far wider than anyone since. Relative to his era, the man was superhuman.

 

[jaxmagicman]

1. The whole issue of steroids should not enter into the conversation unless he tests positive. Innocent until proven guilty, you might have heard of it.
2. I still have to go with that ******* Ruth, simply because the gap between his numbers and those of his peers was far, far wider than anyone since. Relative to his era, the man was superhuman.

Ruth did not have to face the best players during his time. What Bonds is doing against an integrated league is coming close to the dominance that Ruth showed.

 

[ImWithStupid]

Barry Bonds or Babe Ruth?
I am going to go with Barry Bonds. He is doing things with the bat that Babe Ruth can only dream about. Next year he will pass by Babe Ruth on the all-time homer list. He already owns the season record.

I think that like boxing and some other sports, baseball's records need to be split between the classic era and the modern era.

Like you said there have been way too many changes in the sports, player development and rules to make a fair comparison.

 

[Snowman]

That is a legitimate point.... the calibre of play during his time was not nearly as high as it is now. Still, he was at least twice as valuable as the average player during the era in which he played. As far as I'm concerned, the top 3 all-time are Mays, Ruth, and Cobb, and any order you put them in can be justified in some way or another. Bonds is a lock for 4th on my list.

 

[Reh]

Well, please show me where he said he used the stuff. Also what numbers should we be looking at? The numbers seem normal to anyone who understands basic player development.

Uh, no. Most players don't see their power numbers go up at age 35. Most players decline as they age. Just look how the powers numbers shot up. And the 73 just comes out of nowhere.

Innocent until proven guilty... fine, but I have my opinions and it just looks suspicious. I don't like the guy and I won't root for the guy because I think he's a cheater (along with McGwire and Palmeirio and Sosa, etc.).

 

[jaxmagicman]

That is a legitimate point.... the calibre of play during his time was not nearly as high as it is now. Still, he was at least twice as valuable as the average player during the era in which he played. As far as I'm concerned, the top 3 all-time are Mays, Ruth, and Cobb, and any order you put them in can be justified in some way or another. Bonds is a lock for 4th on my list.

If we go by WARP1, Bonds was worth 15 wins his last full season. Albert Puljos is the closest to him was only worth 10 wins. That is 5 win difference.

 

[jaxmagicman]

Uh, no. Most players don't see their power numbers go up at age 35. Most players decline as they age. Just look how the powers numbers shot up. And the 73 just comes out of nowhere.
Innocent until proven guilty... fine, but I have my opinions and it just looks suspicious. I don't like the guy and I won't root for the guy because I think he's a cheater (along with McGwire and Palmeirio and Sosa, etc.).

As a player gets older his power and walk numbers go up. His defense, stolen bases, BA and other young player skills go down.

 

[jaxmagicman]

Uh, no. Most players don't see their power numbers go up at age 35. Most players decline as they age. Just look how the powers numbers shot up. And the 73 just comes out of nowhere.
Innocent until proven guilty... fine, but I have my opinions and it just looks suspicious. I don't like the guy and I won't root for the guy because I think he's a cheater (along with McGwire and Palmeirio and Sosa, etc.).

McGwire was also never proven guilty. I think you are a drug user. Yes, and now it is fact even though I have no proof of it. I just think you type suspicious.

 

[Reh]

McGwire was also never proven guilty. I think you are a drug user. Yes, and now it is fact even though I have no proof of it. I just think you type suspicious.

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[tiredofwhiners]

What about Madonna. She was a great hitter in, A League Of Their Own.

And she was hot...And we never saw him play, but they said Tom Hanks was great until he became a drunk and just coached.

 

[phreakwars]

Hmm, I think we need a poll here..

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[jaxmagicman]

Still Barry Bonds.

 

[phreakwars]

Well, Jax, I say we get on a FACT FINDING mission here, and get to the bottom of this...debate...before the topic is derailed again and finally tossed into the **** pot archives..

Let see the stats on both please..

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