Biblical Contradictions for AIG

Here you go AIG... put all your biblical contradictions here.

And you'll actually explain how they came to be?

I'll just move that first contadiction here.That's the one I really need to understand.

Contradiction 1

 

OK then MRIH.You want one example,I'll give it to you.

 

One of the Bible's 10 basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13).'' Is it not?

Yet, we see GOD Almighty Commanding His servants to not only kill the enemy's men, but also the innocent children and non-virgin women who have not done anything to anyone:

 

Samuel 15:2-4

2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

 

"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

 

MRIH is this not a contradiction?

 

It is most ironic that GOD Almighty prohibited ordinary murders but supposedly allowed massacres to be done by the mass!!

 

Which is it MRIH,"Thou Shalt not kill" -- OR-- "Kill all the children and non-virgin women!" ?

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Well sweety,this doesn't answer anything.BTW the title says biblical contradictions,it doesn't matter who said it they all contradict each other.Some say one thing the others says another.

I've said this before,it is a contradiction since both verses are said to be from God and both are biblical verses. So what is it?kill or don't kill,slay or don't slay,maime or don't maime.

 

MRIH,your hypocrisy is so sickening.The fact that your bible says slay infants,sucklings and non-virginal women while you scream that the Quran is evil is just stupid.

 

Contradiction 2

 

How can God prohibit brothers from marrying their biological sisters after He initially allowed it for Abraham and Sarah??:

 

''And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"

 

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"

 

So, Deuteronomy 27:22 contradicts the previous Law right?

Well sweety,this doesn't answer anything.

If you can't read, that is your problem.

 

BTW the title says biblical contradictions,it doesn't matter who said it they all contradict each other.

WTF??? Does this have to do with anything?

 

Some say one thing the others says another.

I'm lost.

 

I've said this before,it is a contradiction since both verses are said to be from God and both are biblical verses.

OK explained this before, but I'll explain it again. The word "Kill" here does not mean the same "kill" in the other verse. Case in point examine these three sentences:

1)You killed a person in an accident.

2) You killed a burglar in your home.

3) You killed your husband in a fit of rage.

Clearly all three of these words have different meanings, intentions and motives. The first is clearly involuntary and could not be avoided, The second is avoidable but with implied dire circumstances with various outcomes, and third is unjustifiable and the very meaning used for the 6th Commandment. The meanings of kill from the prophet use the 2nd meaning. Many words in the english language have dual meanings like this. Take the word "love" for example. I do not love to eat pizza the same way I love my children.

 

So what is it?kill or don't kill,slay or don't slay,maime or don't maime.

I know english is your second language, so don't get hung up on semantics.

 

MRIH,your hypocrisy is so sickening.

And so is yours.

 

The fact that your bible says slay infants,sucklings and non-virginal women while you scream that the Quran is evil is just stupid.

Christianity does NOT teach to kill "slay infants,sucklings and non-virginal women" There are so many things about Christianity that you do not understand. The main thing is the concept of redemption through Jesus Christ. The law of Moses is clear, those that break the commandments are doomed to death, but the gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ.

 

How can God prohibit brothers from marrying their biological sisters after He initially allowed it for Abraham and Sarah??:

 

''And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"

 

Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"

 

So, Deuteronomy 27:22 contradicts the previous Law right?

That is a really good question, AIG. And I will give you some positive rep for it! I truelly don't know the answer, except that perhaps Abraham was in sin with Sarah. Abraham is not God, and the bible does say that "For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." Abraham is no different.

''Clearly all three of these words have different meanings, intentions and motives. The first is clearly involuntary and could not be avoided, The second is avoidable but with implied dire circumstances with various outcomes, and third is unjustifiable and the very meaning used for the 6th Commandment. The meanings of kill from the prophet use the 2nd meaning. Many words in the english language have dual meanings like this. Take the word "love" for example. I do not love to eat pizza the same way I love my children.''

 

Ok then MRIH thanks for the english lesson.You always come back to saying english is my second language.

You haven't explained anything.Slaying innocent infants,sucklings and non-virginal women is murder and wrong and your bible advertises it openly.

 

That is a really good question, AIG. And I will give you some positive rep for it! I truelly don't know the answer, except that perhaps Abraham was in sin with Sarah. Abraham is not God, and the bible does say that "For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." Abraham is no different.

 

I don't think you should blaspheme Abraham.Thanks what a great contradiction right?

Ok then MRIH thanks for the english lesson.You always come back to saying english is my second language.

You haven't explained anything.Slaying innocent infants,sucklings and non-virginal women is murder and wrong and your bible advertises it openly.

I guess the debate is taking a diferent direction... Listen, I commend you for your excellent proficiency in the English language, however there are times (like the aforementioned) that you need some instruction on English. There is no shame in it! I meant no offense by it. There is no way we could have these discussions in Somoli, because I wouldn't know anything. I would venture a guess that there are words in Somoli that have different meanings depending on how they are used, Maybe?

 

I don't think you should blaspheme Abraham.Thanks what a great contradiction right?

Blasphemy can only be performed on a Deity, since Abraham is only a man, it is hardly blasphemy anything I say against him. The FACT that all men are sinners is no insult ...so... Calling Abraham a sinner is truthful.

How can God prohibit brothers from marrying their biological sisters after He initially allowed it for Abraham and Sarah??:

 

''And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"

 

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"

 

So, Deuteronomy 27:22 contradicts the previous Law right?

 

no.

Genesis is the story of creation and at the time of creation, the population of the world was low, so people had to marry those related to them to grow as a race of people. God knew that they could handle that biologically, because genetics of the individuals was much purer then, since there wasn't so far to come from the orginal creation, Adam. By the time Dueteronomy was written (some thousand or so years after creation,) the world was much more populous, and therefore it was uneccessary to marry close relatives, and again God knew this (and he also knew that it would start to lead to biological issues.) The Dueteronomy law doesn't contradict the previous laws, it supercedes them.

 

Not a contridiction.

 

Next?

no.

Genesis is the story of creation and at the time of creation, the population of the world was low, so people had to marry those related to them to grow as a race of people. God knew that they could handle that biologically, because genetics of the individuals was much purer then, since there wasn't so far to come from the orginal creation, Adam. By the time Dueteronomy was written (some thousand or so years after creation,) the world was much more populous, and therefore it was uneccessary to marry close relatives, and again God knew this (and he also knew that it would start to lead to biological issues.) The Dueteronomy law doesn't contradict the previous laws, it supercedes them.

 

Not a contridiction.

 

Next?

That's a nice interpretation, eddo.

Here ya go Mo: Welcome to everything Somali!!

Now you can degrade to her level so you can 'splain it better!!!

Well here is one of those landmines AIG... BOOM

 

I wish that this system could support Unicode for Hebrew because you would be able to see it but the fact is the same.

 

You are misquoting the phrase you are trying to use as a contradiction.

 

In Hebrew, it reads:

 

"You shall not murder."

 

In fact, the Hebrew word used is specifically not "kill" for which there are 2 separate words, but rather "murder; unauthorized homicide", a completely different word which was used just for this reason.

 

Big difference!

 

Your other translations are screwed as well, but then again, the King James translation is the absolute worst translation there is. They massacred the Hebrew.

 

This can be confirmed by asking any Rabbi.

 

 

MRIH...She's just ignorant of the original Hebrew text but this doesn't change the fact that she is WRONG.

I don't think there is enough room on this site for all the bible contradictions and the lousy excuses people come up with to explain them.

sure there is Dizzy. go for it.

sure there is Dizzy. go for it.

 

Why should I bother? Seriously. I have been over this and over this on other sites, and it's not like it does any good. People who want to live in denial will continue to do so. I'll leave it to those who aren't bored of it yet. lol

the "excuses" aren't lousy if they are right. Some people just don't want to accept that just maybe, Jesus was exactly who he said he was, and the bible is right about him.

Why should I bother? Seriously. I have been over this and over this on other sites, and it's not like it does any good. People who want to live in denial will continue to do so. I'll leave it to those who aren't bored of it yet. lol

Sounds like YOU are the one with the excuses... You make a blanket statement that there are SOOOOO many contradictions in the bible, but you are unwilling to present even one?????

 

Don't make blanket statements you are not prepared to back up (unless you want to look really stupid)

Sounds like YOU are the one with the excuses... You make a blanket statement that there are SOOOOO many contradictions in the bible, but you are unwilling to present even one?????

 

Don't make blanket statements you are not prepared to back up (unless you want to look really stupid)

 

 

Well to give DizzeMe some credit, her and I (and some others here) have discussed Bible contradictions on other boards many times. She has presented them, and they have been refuted- just apparetnly not to her satisfaction.

Well to give DizzeMe some credit, her and I (and some others here) have discussed Bible contradictions on other boards many times. She has presented them, and they have been refuted- just apparetnly not to her satisfaction.

Well this (GF) is a blank slate for her. So if she wants to run around making these blanket statements on this board, she needs to be prepared to back'em up or someone will rip her a new asshole!

no.

Genesis is the story of creation and at the time of creation, the population of the world was low, so people had to marry those related to them to grow as a race of people. God knew that they could handle that biologically, because genetics of the individuals was much purer then, since there wasn't so far to come from the orginal creation, Adam. By the time Dueteronomy was written (some thousand or so years after creation,) the world was much more populous, and therefore it was uneccessary to marry close relatives, and again God knew this (and he also knew that it would start to lead to biological issues.) The Dueteronomy law doesn't contradict the previous laws, it supercedes them.

 

Not a contridiction.

 

Next?

 

Oh Ok then.So why couldn't people marry members of other families instead of marrying their own?I doubt that at the time of genesis there was only one family existing,that they had to marry their sisters.This is a pathetic and sick excuse.God Almighty could never command men to marry and sleep with their own flesh and blood.

The genesis and dueteronomy contradict themselves cos they were written by different people who both felt the need to write anything they want to make people believe God inspired them.

 

Ok,here's another one for you.Can the bible followers work on the Sabbath or not?

 

NO:

 

"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (Exodus 31:14)"

 

"Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 31:15)"

 

"Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. (Exodus 35:2)"

 

YES

 

"And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. (John 9:14)"

 

John 7:22-24

22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken;are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

Mark 6:1-3

1 And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.

2 And when the sabbath day was come,he began to teach in the synagogue:and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

 

So how come the first verses say no to working on Sabbath(and anyone who does should be put to death).And in the last verses show clearly that Moses and Jesus worked on the sabbath.Shouldn't they be put to death?

 

In Hebrew, it reads:

 

"You shall not murder."

 

Alright.Isn't slaying innocent infants,sucklings and non-virginal women murder?

How do you justify God saying ''You shall not murder'',and then ordering the slaughter of innocent children and women?

Non of you have answered this.If both commands are said to have been given by God,then they do contradict themselves.

I didn't ask for any language lessons,just answer me this question or shut the fuck up.

The fact is,your bible orders the slaying of innocents,therefore you have no right to utter a word against the Quran.

 

Dizzyme,you're right.It is tiring,cos even though they see the errors in front of them,they blind themselves to them.

 

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah(God),' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-78)"

In Hebrew, it reads:

 

"You shall not murder."

 

Alright.Isn't slaying innocent infants,sucklings and non-virginal women murder?

How do you justify God saying ''You shall not murder'',and then ordering the slaughter of innocent children and women?

Non of you have answered this.If both commands are said to have been given by God,then they do contradict themselves.

I didn't ask for any language lessons,just answer me this question or shut the fuck up.

The fact is,your bible orders the slaying of innocents,therefore you have no right to utter a word against the Quran.

 

Language lessons are what you need in this case whether you like it or not. Trying to be trite about it doesn't dismiss the fact that you have your STUPID HEAD UP YOUR SOMALIAN ASS and don't know what you are talking about.

 

I love the way you just disregard the truth.

 

The phrase says not to "unjustly kill". Presumably, if God ordered the death of people in the Bible, that would be a just act and not prohibited as God would be entitled to do so. I believe that your book of choice uses this exact same circular logic! What a joke you are!

 

You forget AIG, I'm not Christian at all and couldn't care less about this petty argument, about fictional books about imaginary people, but if you are going to quote a TEXT, quote it correctly.

 

Afterall, your "blessed" (piss be upon it, in it, and from it) Koran is full of shit, errors, and inconsistencies for which MRIH has detailed many times before. Face it; it is just another fabricated pile of lies, just like everybody else's "Holy" books.

 

By all means though, please keep on with your acute case of diarrhea of the mouth because your gross errors only demonstrate what a fool you are while amusing me further.

Oh Ok then.So why couldn't people marry members of other families instead of marrying their own?I doubt that at the time of genesis there was only one family existing,that they had to marry their sisters.This is a pathetic and sick excuse.

Actually, at the begining, there was only one family. And it would take generations to get to the point where the only people that weren't related to you weren't first or second cousins (since they all came form Adam and Eve.

 

 

 

The genesis and dueteronomy contradict themselves cos they were written by different people who both felt the need to write anything they want to make people believe God inspired them.

They were both written by Moses.

 

 

 

Ok,here's another one for you.Can the bible followers work on the Sabbath or not?

 

NO:

 

"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (Exodus 31:14)"

 

"Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 31:15)"

 

"Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. (Exodus 35:2)"

 

YES

 

"And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. (John 9:14)"

 

John 7:22-24

22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken;are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

Mark 6:1-3

1 And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.

2 And when the sabbath day was come,he began to teach in the synagogue:and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

 

So how come the first verses say no to working on Sabbath(and anyone who does should be put to death).And in the last verses show clearly that Moses and Jesus worked on the sabbath.Shouldn't they be put to death?

 

The Old Testament verses set up our schedule, a life cycle if you will. It shows us how to create and maintain our work weeks, and shows the importance of that schedule. It is still important to keep a day of rest (it has been medically proven that we will live longer and healthier if we take a day off once a week from work,) but in the New Testament verses you shared, Jesus was purposely showing that caring for people is more important to him than keepng "The Law" that the Jewish leaders had set up to try to contol the people. Not a contridiction, just an advancement. Jesus doesn't say "Nevermind about that sabbath crap, we were just kidding about it."

The Sabbath is still important, but not to the point that we neglect other peoples needs.

Oh, one other thing AIG... ( I notice you're typing like a mad fiend so this will keep you going for awhile why I make dinner for my family)

 

CREDIBILITY...It's something you don't seem to have nor think is important.

 

While you are nitpicking the Bible apart there, specifically the writings of MOSES, you might want to grap that handy copy of the Koran of yours and review the following passage. Seems that even your Koran believes the writings of Moses.

 

(I've provided the translations which GF has agreed to use as CREDIBLE references)

 

AL-BAQARA (THE COW)

002.136

 

YUSUFALI: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

 

PICKTHAL: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

 

SHAKIR: Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

 

If you are a good Muslim, then why the fuck are you tring to make a distinction between them?

 

Bad Muslim! Bad Muslim!

 

For the sake of credibility in GF debates, we will use the VATICAN interpretation of the Holy Bible, which can be found @ http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_INDEX.HTM The official GF interpretation of the Qur'an is, as some of you already know, but then for those who do not, from an acceptable .EDU site, and contains 3 different interpretations . This can be found on: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ Credibility is a MUST for a valid rebuttal. I hope this will help some of you out a lot during debate.

The phrase says not to "unjustly kill". Presumably, if God ordered the death of people in the Bible, that would be a just act and not prohibited as God would be entitled to do so. I believe that your book of choice uses this exact same circular logic! What a joke you are!

 

What is the difference between murder,and unjust killing?

So God in the bible is entitled to order the slaughter of innocent people?

I wonder if you would say the same if that verse was in the Quran.I doubt it!

 

You forget AIG, I'm not Christian at all and couldn't care less about this petty argument, about fictional books about imaginary people, but if you are going to quote a TEXT, quote it correctly.

 

What?! Ok first you say the phrase is ''you shall not murder'',then you say it is actually not to ''Unjustly kill''.Which is it? I think you're confused by it too.

And if you don't care I think you should hold your tongue or go dance around with your fellow agnostics.No one asked you to join in sirrah.

I don't know hebrew.So ofcourse I'll make a mistake.But why didn't these christians correct me?I've heard many christians say the commandment as ''Thou shall not kill''.

 

Afterall, your "blessed" (piss be upon it, in it, and from it) Koran is full of shit, errors, and inconsistencies for which MRIH has detailed many times before. Face it; it is just another fabricated pile of lies, just like everybody else's "Holy" books.

 

Oh please,by all means provide your proof of it's errors and fabrications.The bible has contradictions obviously made by men.

CREDIBILITY...It's something you don't seem to have nor think is important.

 

While you are nitpicking the Bible apart there, specifically the writings of MOSES, you might want to grap that handy copy of the Koran of yours and review the following passage. Seems that even your Koran believes the writings of Moses.

 

(I've provided the translations which GF has agreed to use as CREDIBLE references)

 

AL-BAQARA (THE COW)

002.136

 

YUSUFALI: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

 

PICKTHAL: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

 

SHAKIR: Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

 

If you are a good Muslim, then why the fuck are you tring to make a distinction between them?

 

Bad Muslim! Bad Muslim!

 

Sorry but what distinction between them have I made? Do you even know what you're talking about?

All the prophets are equal.What is meant by no distinction in the Quran,is that we don't view any of them as God.

They are just men carrying the message of God.That's it.

We believe in Moses and everything given to him by God.But there are differences between his story in the bible and his story in the Quran.