Black Day in Florida! McAmnesty Beats Mitt to Win Florida Primary

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mccain_romney_florida/2008/01/29/68463.html

McCain Beats Romney to Win Florida Primary

Tuesday, January 29, 2008

MIAMI -- Sen. John McCain won a breakthrough triumph in the Florida primary

Tuesday night, gaining the upper hand in the battle for the Republican

presidential nomination ahead of next week's contests across 21 states.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani appeared ready to quit the race.

"It shows one thing. I'm the conservative leader who can unite the party,"

McCain said in a brief interview with The Associated Press.

"It's a very significant boost, but I think we've got a tough week ahead and

a lot of states to come."

The victory was worth 57 national convention delegates for McCain, a

winner-take-all haul that catapulted him ahead of Romney for the overall

delegate lead.

Giuliani ran third, his best showing of the campaign but not nearly good

enough for the one-time front-runner who decided to make his last stand in a

state that is home to tens of thousands of transplanted New Yorkers.

In remarks to supporters in Orlando, he referred to his candidacy repeatedly

in the past tense - as though it was over. "We'll stay involved and together

we'll make sure that we'll do everything we can to hand our nation off to

the next generation better than it was before," he said.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee trailed, but told supporters he would

campaign on. Texas Rep. Ron Paul was fifth, and last.

Romney, who has spent millions of dollars of his personal fortune to run for

the White House, also vowed to stay in the race.

"At a time like this, America needs a president in the White House who has

actually had a job in the real economy," he told supporters in St.

Petersburg.

Florida marked the end of one phase of the campaign, the last in a series of

single-state contests.

The campaign goes national next week, with 21 states holding primaries and

caucuses on Tuesday and 1,023 party convention delegates at stake.

Returns from most of the state's precincts showed McCain, the Arizona

senator, with 36 percent of the vote and Romney, the former governor of

Massachusetts, with 31 percent.

The victory was another step in one of the most remarkable political

comebacks of recent times. McCain entered the race the front-runner, then

found his campaign unraveling last summer as his stands in favor of the Iraq

War and a controversial immigration bill proved unpopular.

The war gradually became less of a concern after President Bush's decision

to increase troop deployments began to produce results. McCain also sought

to readjust his position on immigration.

By the time of the New Hampshire primary, he was primed for victory, and got

it. He won the South Carolina primary last week, taking first place in the

state that had snuffed out his presidential hopes in 2000.

A survey of Florida voters as they left their polling places showed the

economy was the top issue for nearly half the Republican electorate. McCain

led his rival among those voters, blunting Romney's weeklong effort to

persuade Floridians that his background as a businessman made him

best-suited for heading off a recession.

McCain also was benefiting from the support of self-described moderates, as

well as older voters and Hispanics. Giuliani ran second among Latino voters,

according to preliminary exit poll data.

Romney was favored by voters opposed to abortion and to easing the path to

citizenship for illegal immigrants.

About 40 percent of self-described conservatives supported him, as well,

compared to about 25 percent for McCain.

The poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International

for The Associated Press and the television networks.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Democratic race, an event that drew no

campaigning by any of the contenders - and awarded no delegates to the

winner.

The Democratic primary was controversial by its very existence, an act of

defiance against national party officials who wanted it held later in the

year.

Even so, Clinton sought to emphasize her performance in the state, holding a

rally as the polls were closing.

She challenged Barack Obama to agree to seat the delegates on the basis of

the night's vote, but he demurred, saying he would abide by an agreement all

Democratic candidates had made months ago.

"Those decisions will be made after the nomination, not before," Obama told

reporters Tuesday on a plane from Washington to Kansas. "Obviously, I care a

lot about the people in Michigan and a lot about the people in Florida. And

I want their votes in the general election. We'll be actively campaigning

for them."

Romney began the evening with 59 Republican delegates, to 36 for McCain and

40 for Huckabee. Giuliani had one.

No matter the winner, there is no time to rest. There are 21 GOP contests on

the ballot on Feb. 5, with 1,023 delegates at stake.

McCain and Romney clashed early and often, in personal appearances and paid

television advertising, in a bruising week of campaigning in Florida.

Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, said his career as a private

businessman made him perfectly suited to sit in the Oval Office with a

recession looming. Sen. McCain argued he knew his economics well enough, and

that his career in the military and in Congress made him the man to steer

the country in an age of terrorism.

By the campaign's final hours, the two men hurled insults at one another,

each saying the other hoped to travel a liberal road to the presidential

nomination in a party of conservatives.

Romney attacked McCain for his signature legislation to reduce the role of

money in politics, for his position on immigration and for his support of an

energy bill that he said would have driven up consumer costs.

"If you ask people, 'look at the three things Senator McCain has done as a

senator,' if you want that kind of a liberal Democrat course as president,

then you can vote for him," Romney told campaign workers. "But those three

pieces of legislation, those aren't conservative, those aren't Republican,

those are not the kind of leadership that we need as we go forward."

McCain had a ready reply. "On every one of the issues he has attacked us on,

Mitt Romney was for it before he was against it," he said. "The truth is,

Mitt Romney was a liberal governor of Massachusetts who raised taxes,

imposed with Ted Kennedy a big government mandate health care plan that is

now a quarter of a billion dollars in the red, and managed his state's

economy incompetently, leaving Massachusetts with less job growth than 46

other states."

That wasn't all, either.

McCain aired radio commercials criticizing Romney, and his campaign Web site

has an ad superimposing Romney's face on the image of a windsurfing Sen.

John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee.

The Romney campaign also reported numerous negative phone calls, accusing

him incorrectly of supporting taxpayer-funded abortions, opposing President

Bush's tax cuts and favoring direct talks with Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

The McCain campaign said it was not responsible for the calls.

"Tom Sr." <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Jan 30, 7:02 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mccain_romney_florida/2008/01/29/664...

>> McCain Beats Romney to Win Florida Primary

>> Tuesday, January 29, 2008

>It must really suck to be you, PG. Boo hoo.

Black day in the Sunshine State!

>Don't forget, you publicly stated you'll be voting for ME -- Tom Swift

>Sr. -- in November, once McCain wins the Republican nomination,

>Patriot Games.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what I said!

On Jan 30, 7:40 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:334a8eed-a762-461f-82c1-573b97d20dca@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...

> On Jan 30, 7:02 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>

> >>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mccain_romney_florida/2008/01/29/664...

> >> McCain Beats Romney to Win Florida Primary

> >> Tuesday, January 29, 2008

> >It must really suck to be you, PG. Boo hoo.

>

> Black day in the Sunshine State!

Guess millions piled upon millions and a relentless smear and attack

campaign can't buy everything...

Karl Rove. Bill and Hillary Clinton. And to a slightly lesser degree,

Romney... What embarrassments to the political system... to the

nation.

>

> >Don't forget, you publicly stated you'll be voting for ME -- Tom Swift

> >Sr. -- in November, once McCain wins the Republican nomination,

> >Patriot Games.

>

> Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what I said!

"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message

news:47a07e78$0$29955$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:334a8eed-a762-461f-82c1-573b97d20dca@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...

> On Jan 30, 7:02 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>>> http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mccain_romney_florida/2008/01/29/664...

>>> McCain Beats Romney to Win Florida Primary

>>> Tuesday, January 29, 2008

>>It must really suck to be you, PG. Boo hoo.

>

> Black day in the Sunshine State!

It's going to get even blacker for you next week on Super Tuesday, sparky.

McCain already has a 9 point lead in NY and California and that was BEFORE

he won the Florida primary.

>

>>Don't forget, you publicly stated you'll be voting for ME -- Tom Swift

>>Sr. -- in November, once McCain wins the Republican nomination,

>>Patriot Games.

>

> Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what I said!

>

>

On Jan 30, 8:51 pm, "Nebuchadnezzar II" <nebuchadnez...@microsoft.com>

wrote:

> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message

> news:47a09a76$0$29957$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> > "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote --

> >>However, I was honored, when after 12+ months of PG's posts to me

> >>going to alt.stupidity, he finally learned to use a killfile and I was

> >>the very! first! person he killfiled!

> -

> > A clarification. Exactly ONE post to you went to alt-stupidity. You

> > didn't see any of them because there weren't any because you were

> > kill-filed.

You lie, Patriot Games.

86 posts to alt.stupidity under your original Google Groups account:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=patriot+games+bomb+iraq+now&num=30&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2007&as_maxd=2&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&

10 posts to alt.stupidity under your current Google Groups account:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=30&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=alt.stupidity&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=patriot@america.com+&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2008&safe=off

ALSO:

26 posts to alt.usenet.kooks under your original Google Groups

account:

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=30&q=group%3Aalt.usenet.kooks&safe=off&enc_author=EliQPhcAAADU2Bi3GNSvjPkXz4--xXQMatZc1V3Nc280dLHqonrV6A

1 post to alt.usenet.kooks under your current Google Groups account:

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=30&q=group%3Aalt.usenet.kooks+author%3Apatriot@america.com&safe=off

10 posts to alt.test under your current Google Groups account:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=patriot+games+bomb+iraq+now&num=30&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2007&as_maxd=2&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&

TOTAL: 133 posts

> > I recently unKill-Filed my list to see what's going on...

And, once again, I am humiliating you when I bother to reply to your

posts, PG, this time, now, by proving once again you are a liar.

> Why bother shit listing him in the first place?

> Jebus H. Christmas you are one dumb fucker.

Because when PG started posting much more regularly in late 2006, I

was usually there to show what a bigot and a fool he was in my

posts.

Just as I showed what a liar he is in this post, I constantly showed

how stupid and delusional he was over and over again. Meanwhile, his

replies to me were disappearing into the Usenet newsgroup wasteland,

showing he didn't even understand Usenet .

PG has since taken to posting lies about my personal life, twisting,

distorting, and creating falsehoods about myself and events in my

life.

Of course, the sane readers of and posters to Usenet know far better

than to believe anything he has to say, especially when it comes to

personal attacks. His entire world-view is delusional, built on a

politics of Neo-Nazism, which he himself fails to recognize. And

after all, this is a supposedly "heterosexual" man who is obsessed

with male homosexuals and man-to-man sex as can be seen is so very

many of his posts.

But, the truth is simple, I think. Like most things in his Life, from

people of different races, to gay people, to progressives, to other

cultures and religions, Patriot Games is AFRAID. His bitter and vile

and seemingly endlessly hate shows his irrational and psychotic fear

of others and himself as well.

I was the first person Patriot Games killfiled because he was and is

afraid of me.

He will, of course, deny this, lacking the self-awareness and the

courage to see his own fears.

-Tom Sr.

"Nebuchadnezzar II" <nebuchadnezzar@microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:LM9oj.7196$ZO5.4268@trnddc03...

> "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message

> news:47a07e78$0$29955$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>> "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:334a8eed-a762-461f-82c1-573b97d20dca@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...

>> On Jan 30, 7:02 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mccain_romney_florida/2008/01/29/664...

>>>> McCain Beats Romney to Win Florida Primary

>>>> Tuesday, January 29, 2008

>>>It must really suck to be you, PG. Boo hoo.

>> Black day in the Sunshine State!

> It's going to get even blacker for you next week on Super Tuesday, sparky.

> McCain already has a 9 point lead in NY and California and that was BEFORE

> he won the Florida primary.

We'll see.

"Tom Sr." <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Jan 30, 8:51 pm, "Nebuchadnezzar II" <nebuchadnez...@microsoft.com>

> wrote:

>> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message

>> news:47a09a76$0$29957$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>> > "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote --

>> >>However, I was honored, when after 12+ months of PG's posts to me

>> >>going to alt.stupidity, he finally learned to use a killfile and I was

>> >>the very! first! person he killfiled!

>> > A clarification. Exactly ONE post to you went to alt-stupidity. You

>> > didn't see any of them because there weren't any because you were

>> > kill-filed.

> You lie, Patriot Games.

Sucker.....

> 86 posts to alt.stupidity under your original Google Groups account:

> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=patriot+games+bomb+iraq+now&num=30&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2007&as_maxd=2&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&

> 10 posts to alt.stupidity under your current Google Groups account:

> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=30&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=alt.stupidity&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=patriot@america.com+&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2008&safe=off

> ALSO:

> 26 posts to alt.usenet.kooks under your original Google Groups

> account:

> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=30&q=group%3Aalt.usenet.kooks&safe=off&enc_author=EliQPhcAAADU2Bi3GNSvjPkXz4--xXQMatZc1V3Nc280dLHqonrV6A

> 1 post to alt.usenet.kooks under your current Google Groups account:

> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=30&q=group%3Aalt.usenet.kooks+author%3Apatriot@america.com&safe=off

> 10 posts to alt.test under your current Google Groups account:

> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=patriot+games+bomb+iraq+now&num=30&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2007&as_maxd=2&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&

> TOTAL: 133 posts

Thank you for CONFESSING!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

>> > I recently unKill-Filed my list to see what's going on...

> And, once again, I am

You have CONFESSED and you have documented WHY you should be Killfiled!

Thanks!

See ya!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

On Jan 31, 1:01 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 31, 10:42 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>

> > "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > >> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message

> > >>news:47a09a76$0$29957$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> > >> > "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote --

> > >> >>However, I was honored, when after 12+ months of PG's posts to me

> > >> >>going to alt.stupidity, he finally learned to use a killfile and I was

> > >> >>the very! first! person he killfiled!

> > >> > A clarification. Exactly ONE post to you went to alt-stupidity. You

> > >> > didn't see any of them because there weren't any because you were

> > >> > kill-filed.

> > > -

> > > You lie, Patriot Games.

> > -

> > Sucker.....

>

> Liar

>

> You foolish think people will believe you somehow lured me into

> telling the truth -- when I had already done so? Such a weakly-

> attempt spin on reality is truly pathetic.

>

> > > 86 posts to alt.stupidity under your original Google Groups account:

> > >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=patriot+games+bomb+iraq+now&n...

> > > 10 posts to alt.stupidity under your current Google Groups account:

> > >http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=30&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&...&as_eq=&as_ugroup=alt.stupidity&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=patr...@america.com+&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_max

Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans and very few

conservative republicans.

As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in addition to

Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

McCain was his usual nasty self on last night's debate.....AAC

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:02:20 -0500, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mccain_romney_florida/2008/01/29/68463.html

>

>McCain Beats Romney to Win Florida Primary

>

>Tuesday, January 29, 2008

>

>MIAMI -- Sen. John McCain won a breakthrough triumph in the Florida primary

>Tuesday night, gaining the upper hand in the battle for the Republican

>presidential nomination ahead of next week's contests across 21 states.

>Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani appeared ready to quit the race.

>

>"It shows one thing. I'm the conservative leader who can unite the party,"

>McCain said in a brief interview with The Associated Press.

>

>"It's a very significant boost, but I think we've got a tough week ahead and

>a lot of states to come."

>

>The victory was worth 57 national convention delegates for McCain, a

>winner-take-all haul that catapulted him ahead of Romney for the overall

>delegate lead.

>

>Giuliani ran third, his best showing of the campaign but not nearly good

>enough for the one-time front-runner who decided to make his last stand in a

>state that is home to tens of thousands of transplanted New Yorkers.

>

>In remarks to supporters in Orlando, he referred to his candidacy repeatedly

>in the past tense - as though it was over. "We'll stay involved and together

>we'll make sure that we'll do everything we can to hand our nation off to

>the next generation better than it was before," he said.

>

>Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee trailed, but told supporters he would

>campaign on. Texas Rep. Ron Paul was fifth, and last.

>

>Romney, who has spent millions of dollars of his personal fortune to run for

>the White House, also vowed to stay in the race.

>

>"At a time like this, America needs a president in the White House who has

>actually had a job in the real economy," he told supporters in St.

>Petersburg.

>

>Florida marked the end of one phase of the campaign, the last in a series of

>single-state contests.

>

>The campaign goes national next week, with 21 states holding primaries and

>caucuses on Tuesday and 1,023 party convention delegates at stake.

>

>Returns from most of the state's precincts showed McCain, the Arizona

>senator, with 36 percent of the vote and Romney, the former governor of

>Massachusetts, with 31 percent.

>

>The victory was another step in one of the most remarkable political

>comebacks of recent times. McCain entered the race the front-runner, then

>found his campaign unraveling last summer as his stands in favor of the Iraq

>War and a controversial immigration bill proved unpopular.

>

>The war gradually became less of a concern after President Bush's decision

>to increase troop deployments began to produce results. McCain also sought

>to readjust his position on immigration.

>

>By the time of the New Hampshire primary, he was primed for victory, and got

>it. He won the South Carolina primary last week, taking first place in the

>state that had snuffed out his presidential hopes in 2000.

>

>A survey of Florida voters as they left their polling places showed the

>economy was the top issue for nearly half the Republican electorate. McCain

>led his rival among those voters, blunting Romney's weeklong effort to

>persuade Floridians that his background as a businessman made him

>best-suited for heading off a recession.

>

>McCain also was benefiting from the support of self-described moderates, as

>well as older voters and Hispanics. Giuliani ran second among Latino voters,

>according to preliminary exit poll data.

>

>Romney was favored by voters opposed to abortion and to easing the path to

>citizenship for illegal immigrants.

>

>About 40 percent of self-described conservatives supported him, as well,

>compared to about 25 percent for McCain.

>

>The poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International

>for The Associated Press and the television networks.

>

>Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Democratic race, an event that drew no

>campaigning by any of the contenders - and awarded no delegates to the

>winner.

>

>The Democratic primary was controversial by its very existence, an act of

>defiance against national party officials who wanted it held later in the

>year.

>

>Even so, Clinton sought to emphasize her performance in the state, holding a

>rally as the polls were closing.

>

>She challenged Barack Obama to agree to seat the delegates on the basis of

>the night's vote, but he demurred, saying he would abide by an agreement all

>Democratic candidates had made months ago.

>

>"Those decisions will be made after the nomination, not before," Obama told

>reporters Tuesday on a plane from Washington to Kansas. "Obviously, I care a

>lot about the people in Michigan and a lot about the people in Florida. And

>I want their votes in the general election. We'll be actively campaigning

>for them."

>

>Romney began the evening with 59 Republican delegates, to 36 for McCain and

>40 for Huckabee. Giuliani had one.

>

>No matter the winner, there is no time to rest. There are 21 GOP contests on

>the ballot on Feb. 5, with 1,023 delegates at stake.

>

>McCain and Romney clashed early and often, in personal appearances and paid

>television advertising, in a bruising week of campaigning in Florida.

>

>Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, said his career as a private

>businessman made him perfectly suited to sit in the Oval Office with a

>recession looming. Sen. McCain argued he knew his economics well enough, and

>that his career in the military and in Congress made him the man to steer

>the country in an age of terrorism.

>

>By the campaign's final hours, the two men hurled insults at one another,

>each saying the other hoped to travel a liberal road to the presidential

>nomination in a party of conservatives.

>

>Romney attacked McCain for his signature legislation to reduce the role of

>money in politics, for his position on immigration and for his support of an

>energy bill that he said would have driven up consumer costs.

>

>"If you ask people, 'look at the three things Senator McCain has done as a

>senator,' if you want that kind of a liberal Democrat course as president,

>then you can vote for him," Romney told campaign workers. "But those three

>pieces of legislation, those aren't conservative, those aren't Republican,

>those are not the kind of leadership that we need as we go forward."

>

>McCain had a ready reply. "On every one of the issues he has attacked us on,

>Mitt Romney was for it before he was against it," he said. "The truth is,

>Mitt Romney was a liberal governor of Massachusetts who raised taxes,

>imposed with Ted Kennedy a big government mandate health care plan that is

>now a quarter of a billion dollars in the red, and managed his state's

>economy incompetently, leaving Massachusetts with less job growth than 46

>other states."

>

>That wasn't all, either.

>

>McCain aired radio commercials criticizing Romney, and his campaign Web site

>has an ad superimposing Romney's face on the image of a windsurfing Sen.

>John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee.

>

>The Romney campaign also reported numerous negative phone calls, accusing

>him incorrectly of supporting taxpayer-funded abortions, opposing President

>Bush's tax cuts and favoring direct talks with Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

>

>The McCain campaign said it was not responsible for the calls.

AnAmericanCitizen wrote:

> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans and very few

> conservative republicans.

>

> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in addition to

> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.

None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary

or Obama is advocating "open borders."

They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.

What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million

illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any

reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore we

need a more practical solution.

To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration

lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they

will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to

deal with millions of similar cases?

--

Steven L.

Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net

Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:10:11 -0500, "Steven L."

<sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote:

>AnAmericanCitizen wrote:

>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans and very few

>> conservative republicans.

>>

>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in addition to

>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

>

>I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.

>

>None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary

>or Obama is advocating "open borders."

>

>They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.

>

>What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million

>illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any

>reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore we

>need a more practical solution.

>

>To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration

>lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they

>will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to

>deal with millions of similar cases?

In 2004 over 157,000 illegal immigrants were deported. How many tied

their case up in court?

The number has been increasing every year since 1998.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-02-16-illegals-deportation_x.htm

"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:10:11 -0500, "Steven L."

> <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>>AnAmericanCitizen wrote:

>>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans

>>> and very few

>>> conservative republicans.

>>>

>>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him

>>> in addition to

>>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

>>

>>I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.

>>

>>None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary

>>or Obama is advocating "open borders."

>>

>>They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.

>>

>>What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million

>>illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any

>>reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore we

>>need a more practical solution.

>>

>>To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration

>>lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they

>>will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to

>>deal with millions of similar cases?

>

> In 2004 over 157,000 illegal immigrants were deported.

11,843,000 to go. Good luck.

"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans

> and very few

> conservative republicans.

This is like a massive tectonic plate shift to the Left!!

> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in

> addition to

> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

I'm going to the haberdashery tomorrow to get fitted for a sombrero!

> McCain was his usual nasty self on last night's debate.....AAC

I could NOT believe how nasty he was!!

And the homo Anderson Cooper kept fanning the flames....

Ron was turning over in his grave that they let this happen in HIS Library!!

"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:13q4lafnv1cg0ee@corp.supernews.com...

> AnAmericanCitizen wrote:

>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans

>> and very few

>> conservative republicans. As of today he's had two other open borders

>> advocates come out for him in addition to

>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

> I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.

> None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary or

> Obama is advocating "open borders."

> They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.

B u l l s h i t!

Sealed off = Secure.

Taking pictures and video so we know how many snuck in last night IS NOT

SECURE.

ZERO illegal entries = Secure.

> What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million illegal

> aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any reasonable time,

> given the need for due process. And that therefore we need a more

> practical solution.

B u l l s h i t!

We could do it in TWO YEARS.

> To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration lawyers

> and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they will fight

> it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to deal with

> millions of similar cases?

B u l l s h i t!

They have NO RIGHTS TO FIGHT WHILE HERE.

If they want to file claims FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY fine with me.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:52:36 -0800, AnAmericanCitizen

<NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans and very few

>conservative republicans.

>

>As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in addition to

>Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

>

>McCain was his usual nasty self on last night's debate.....AAC

That is precisely true, he was a cheap shot, sucker punch, irrelevant,

prevaricating old fart!

>

>

>On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:02:20 -0500, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>

>>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mccain_romney_florida/2008/01/29/68463.html

>>

>>McCain Beats Romney to Win Florida Primary

>>

>>Tuesday, January 29, 2008

>>

>>MIAMI -- Sen. John McCain won a breakthrough triumph in the Florida primary

>>Tuesday night, gaining the upper hand in the battle for the Republican

>>presidential nomination ahead of next week's contests across 21 states.

>>Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani appeared ready to quit the race.

>>

>>"It shows one thing. I'm the conservative leader who can unite the party,"

>>McCain said in a brief interview with The Associated Press.

>>

>>"It's a very significant boost, but I think we've got a tough week ahead and

>>a lot of states to come."

>>

>>The victory was worth 57 national convention delegates for McCain, a

>>winner-take-all haul that catapulted him ahead of Romney for the overall

>>delegate lead.

>>

>>Giuliani ran third, his best showing of the campaign but not nearly good

>>enough for the one-time front-runner who decided to make his last stand in a

>>state that is home to tens of thousands of transplanted New Yorkers.

>>

>>In remarks to supporters in Orlando, he referred to his candidacy repeatedly

>>in the past tense - as though it was over. "We'll stay involved and together

>>we'll make sure that we'll do everything we can to hand our nation off to

>>the next generation better than it was before," he said.

>>

>>Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee trailed, but told supporters he would

>>campaign on. Texas Rep. Ron Paul was fifth, and last.

>>

>>Romney, who has spent millions of dollars of his personal fortune to run for

>>the White House, also vowed to stay in the race.

>>

>>"At a time like this, America needs a president in the White House who has

>>actually had a job in the real economy," he told supporters in St.

>>Petersburg.

>>

>>Florida marked the end of one phase of the campaign, the last in a series of

>>single-state contests.

>>

>>The campaign goes national next week, with 21 states holding primaries and

>>caucuses on Tuesday and 1,023 party convention delegates at stake.

>>

>>Returns from most of the state's precincts showed McCain, the Arizona

>>senator, with 36 percent of the vote and Romney, the former governor of

>>Massachusetts, with 31 percent.

>>

>>The victory was another step in one of the most remarkable political

>>comebacks of recent times. McCain entered the race the front-runner, then

>>found his campaign unraveling last summer as his stands in favor of the Iraq

>>War and a controversial immigration bill proved unpopular.

>>

>>The war gradually became less of a concern after President Bush's decision

>>to increase troop deployments began to produce results. McCain also sought

>>to readjust his position on immigration.

>>

>>By the time of the New Hampshire primary, he was primed for victory, and got

>>it. He won the South Carolina primary last week, taking first place in the

>>state that had snuffed out his presidential hopes in 2000.

>>

>>A survey of Florida voters as they left their polling places showed the

>>economy was the top issue for nearly half the Republican electorate. McCain

>>led his rival among those voters, blunting Romney's weeklong effort to

>>persuade Floridians that his background as a businessman made him

>>best-suited for heading off a recession.

>>

>>McCain also was benefiting from the support of self-described moderates, as

>>well as older voters and Hispanics. Giuliani ran second among Latino voters,

>>according to preliminary exit poll data.

>>

>>Romney was favored by voters opposed to abortion and to easing the path to

>>citizenship for illegal immigrants.

>>

>>About 40 percent of self-described conservatives supported him, as well,

>>compared to about 25 percent for McCain.

>>

>>The poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International

>>for The Associated Press and the television networks.

>>

>>Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Democratic race, an event that drew no

>>campaigning by any of the contenders - and awarded no delegates to the

>>winner.

>>

>>The Democratic primary was controversial by its very existence, an act of

>>defiance against national party officials who wanted it held later in the

>>year.

>>

>>Even so, Clinton sought to emphasize her performance in the state, holding a

>>rally as the polls were closing.

>>

>>She challenged Barack Obama to agree to seat the delegates on the basis of

>>the night's vote, but he demurred, saying he would abide by an agreement all

>>Democratic candidates had made months ago.

>>

>>"Those decisions will be made after the nomination, not before," Obama told

>>reporters Tuesday on a plane from Washington to Kansas. "Obviously, I care a

>>lot about the people in Michigan and a lot about the people in Florida. And

>>I want their votes in the general election. We'll be actively campaigning

>>for them."

>>

>>Romney began the evening with 59 Republican delegates, to 36 for McCain and

>>40 for Huckabee. Giuliani had one.

>>

>>No matter the winner, there is no time to rest. There are 21 GOP contests on

>>the ballot on Feb. 5, with 1,023 delegates at stake.

>>

>>McCain and Romney clashed early and often, in personal appearances and paid

>>television advertising, in a bruising week of campaigning in Florida.

>>

>>Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, said his career as a private

>>businessman made him perfectly suited to sit in the Oval Office with a

>>recession looming. Sen. McCain argued he knew his economics well enough, and

>>that his career in the military and in Congress made him the man to steer

>>the country in an age of terrorism.

>>

>>By the campaign's final hours, the two men hurled insults at one another,

>>each saying the other hoped to travel a liberal road to the presidential

>>nomination in a party of conservatives.

>>

>>Romney attacked McCain for his signature legislation to reduce the role of

>>money in politics, for his position on immigration and for his support of an

>>energy bill that he said would have driven up consumer costs.

>>

>>"If you ask people, 'look at the three things Senator McCain has done as a

>>senator,' if you want that kind of a liberal Democrat course as president,

>>then you can vote for him," Romney told campaign workers. "But those three

>>pieces of legislation, those aren't conservative, those aren't Republican,

>>those are not the kind of leadership that we need as we go forward."

>>

>>McCain had a ready reply. "On every one of the issues he has attacked us on,

>>Mitt Romney was for it before he was against it," he said. "The truth is,

>>Mitt Romney was a liberal governor of Massachusetts who raised taxes,

>>imposed with Ted Kennedy a big government mandate health care plan that is

>>now a quarter of a billion dollars in the red, and managed his state's

>>economy incompetently, leaving Massachusetts with less job growth than 46

>>other states."

>>

>>That wasn't all, either.

>>

>>McCain aired radio commercials criticizing Romney, and his campaign Web site

>>has an ad superimposing Romney's face on the image of a windsurfing Sen.

>>John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee.

>>

>>The Romney campaign also reported numerous negative phone calls, accusing

>>him incorrectly of supporting taxpayer-funded abortions, opposing President

>>Bush's tax cuts and favoring direct talks with Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

>>

>>The McCain campaign said it was not responsible for the calls.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:41:00 -0500, "Patriot Games"

<Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>news:e2k4q3583u7dmfids9fsen0th1air96lns@4ax.com...

>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans

>> and very few

>> conservative republicans.

>

>This is like a massive tectonic plate shift to the Left!!

>

>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in

>> addition to

>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

>

>I'm going to the haberdashery tomorrow to get fitted for a sombrero!

>

>> McCain was his usual nasty self on last night's debate.....AAC

>

>I could NOT believe how nasty he was!!

>

>And the homo Anderson Cooper kept fanning the flames....

>

>Ron was turning over in his grave that they let this happen in HIS Library!!

>

AMEN!

"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:e2k4q3583u7dmfids9fsen0th1air96lns@4ax.com...

>

> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans

> and very few

> conservative republicans.

>

> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in

> addition to

> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

>

This is really a simple issue. We have a problem with people entering this

country illegally and a whole bunch of illegals already in this country.

You either have a plan to stop them from entering this country illegally.

If you do not have such a plan, then all you are doing is complaining about

the problem, with no solution on how to solve the problem. There are also a

whole lot of illegals already in this country. Again, you either have a

plan to get rid of them, or you have no solution to how to solve that part

of the problem.

"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:10:11 -0500, "Steven L."

> <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>>AnAmericanCitizen wrote:

>>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans

>>> and very few

>>> conservative republicans.

>>>

>>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him

>>> in addition to

>>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

>>

>>I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.

>>

>>None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary

>>or Obama is advocating "open borders."

>>

>>They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.

>>

>>What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million

>>illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any

>>reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore we

>>need a more practical solution.

>>

>>To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration

>>lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they

>>will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to

>>deal with millions of similar cases?

>

> In 2004 over 157,000 illegal immigrants were deported. How many tied

> their case up in court?

>

> The number has been increasing every year since 1998.

> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-02-16-illegals-deportation_x.htm

>

There are about 20 million illegal aliens in the United States, with more

coming every year. "If" you are able to find and deport 157,000, you have

found and deported less than 1% of those already here, which does not count

the new ones that entered this country at the same time. At that rate, it

would take a very very long time to get them out of the country.

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

news:47a29294$0$6489$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:e2k4q3583u7dmfids9fsen0th1air96lns@4ax.com...

>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans

>> and very few

>> conservative republicans.

>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in

>> addition to

>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

> This is really a simple issue.

TWO simple issues.

> We have a problem with people entering this country illegally and a whole

> bunch of illegals already in this country. You either have a plan to stop

> them from entering this country illegally. If you do not have such a plan,

> then all you are doing is complaining about the problem, with no solution

> on how to solve the problem.

Build a Wall/Fence. That HALTS at least 98% of overland illegal crossings.

Some estimates say about 30% of the illegals here arrived legally by AIR and

intentionally overstayed their visas. There are two solutions to this, see

below for the first one.

> There are also a whole lot of illegals already in this country. Again,

> you either have a plan to get rid of them, or you have no solution to how

> to solve that part of the problem.

We did Operation Beaner in 1954. We had 1,000 Border Patrol agents. In ONE

year we deported 250,000 illegals and that action caused another 750,000 to

self-deport.

Its 2008 and we have 10,000 Border Patrol Agents. We SHOULD EASILY be able

to deport about 2.5 million a year. That action SHOULD cause about 7.5

million to self-deport.

So, it SHOULD take about TWO years to put a HUGE dent in the problem.

This is NOT rocket science.

Jerry Okamura wrote:

>

> "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:svl4q31vqspcihei278kog5sbrv44bshlm@4ax.com...

>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:10:11 -0500, "Steven L."

>> <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>>> AnAmericanCitizen wrote:

>>>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream

>>>> Republicans and very few

>>>> conservative republicans.

>>>>

>>>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for

>>>> him in addition to

>>>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

>>>

>>> I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.

>>>

>>> None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary

>>> or Obama is advocating "open borders."

>>>

>>> They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.

>>>

>>> What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million

>>> illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any

>>> reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore we

>>> need a more practical solution.

>>>

>>> To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration

>>> lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they

>>> will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to

>>> deal with millions of similar cases?

>>

>> In 2004 over 157,000 illegal immigrants were deported. How many tied

>> their case up in court?

>>

>> The number has been increasing every year since 1998.

>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-02-16-illegals-deportation_x.htm

>>

>

> There are about 20 million illegal aliens in the United States, with

> more coming every year. "If" you are able to find and deport 157,000,

> you have found and deported less than 1% of those already here, which

> does not count the new ones that entered this country at the same

> time. At that rate, it would take a very very long time to get them

> out of the country.

Yep.

This reminds me of that old joke:

"If you lined up all the Chinese in China and had them march past you at

a rate of one per second, how many years would it take for all of them

to finish marching?"

The answer is NEVER, because so many more Chinese would be born along

the way that the march would never end.

--

Steven L.

Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net

Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:13q4lafnv1cg0ee@corp.supernews.com...

>> AnAmericanCitizen wrote:

>>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream

>>> Republicans and very few

>>> conservative republicans. As of today he's had two other open

>>> borders advocates come out for him in addition to

>>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.

>> I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.

>> None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary

>> or Obama is advocating "open borders."

>> They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.

>

> B u l l s h i t!

>

> Sealed off = Secure.

>

> Taking pictures and video so we know how many snuck in last night IS NOT

> SECURE.

>

> ZERO illegal entries = Secure.

>

>> What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million

>> illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any

>> reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore

>> we need a more practical solution.

>

> B u l l s h i t!

>

> We could do it in TWO YEARS.

>

>> To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration

>> lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they

>> will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going

>> to deal with millions of similar cases?

>

> B u l l s h i t!

>

> They have NO RIGHTS TO FIGHT WHILE HERE.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees every person on U.S. soil the same

Bill of Rights as you and me. Not just citizens, PERSONS.

That's why, for example, a tourist from Europe can come to America and

be interviewed on TV, or write a letter to the editor of a newspaper, or

practice his faith, while he's here. You can't deny him those rights

just because he's not a citizen.

And the U.S. Constitution grants automatic birthright citizenship to any

children of illegal aliens who are born in this country too. (That's

the famous "anchor baby" problem)

The only way you can get what you want, would be to initiate a totally

illegal and unconstitutional action. Sure, if you want to turn America

into a Fascist country, you could solve the immigration problem but I

hardly think it's worth it.

Bottom line: If there were a glib, easy, simple solution to the

immigration problem, it would have been done by now. It hasn't been

solved because the only practical solutions are complex, difficult, and

long.

--

Steven L.

Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net

Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.