Bloody Christianity!!!

Not all that long ago I started a thread on the muslims in Britain. I was very pleased with what people wrote in response.

 

But now I'm gonna dig at something much closer to home, Christianity.

 

My father is Catholic and he has tried his whole life to make me believe what he believes in, but sadly he failed. I am an atheist and no amount of bullshit could convert me in a million years.

 

Anyway, I am sick of how Christianity tries to take over the life of every single person in Britain, they see any atheist as being a threat to their way of life.

 

I'm also sick of street preachers. I have no real problem with them as I believe in total freedom of speech so they can preach all they like, but recently I attempted to preach atheism and I was arrested!!!! How much shit is that, they can say what they like, but I can't.

 

I also hate Catholic schools, kids should go to school and learn important things in life and leave their religion at home and at church. A lot of these kids seem to barely have a choice in their beliefs in the first place as their parents force it down their throats. But to mix their education with it is just plain wrong.

 

Everyday of my life I come under fire because of my beliefs and Britain isn't that religious a country, I wouldn't survive in America for 2 seconds.

 

All I'm saying is, believe what you like, I don't care, but please don't shove it in anyones faces. And also let your kids decide for themselves what they want to believe in, instead of forcing them to believe in a God that quite clearly doesn't exist.

 

Thank you.

Everyday of my life I come under fire because of my beliefs and Britain isn't that religious a country, I wouldn't survive in America for 2 seconds.

 

 

Thank you.

 

Really? I don't think you would be arrested in America for spouting atheist beliefs.

My father is Catholic and he has tried his whole life to make me believe what he believes in... Anyway, I am sick of how Christianity tries to take over the life of every single person in Britain...

 

This is where I disagree with the vast majority of other Christians. In my opinion, the Catholic church has done everything Jesus taught us NOT to do. Religious rites, seeking other intercessors (confessions to priests and praying to Mary), and attempting to atone for our own sins (reciting a thousand Hail Mary's while fondling the Rosary). The list goes on. I know your post is about Christianity in general but I just wanted to point that out.

 

...I attempted to preach atheism and I was arrested!!!!

 

On the surface that sounds horrible but could you describe the circumstances a little bit more? What was their reason for arresting you? Disturbing the peace?

 

All I'm saying is, believe what you like, I don't care, but please don't shove it in anyones faces. And also let your kids decide for themselves what they want to believe in, instead of forcing them to believe in a God that quite clearly doesn't exist.

 

You had my sympathies until that very last statement. I will respect your beliefs and not debate God's existence here but it is that kind of in-your-face attitude that I see from atheists all the time. To say I shouldn't raise my child to believe in a "fake God" is insulting- even more insulting when I believe what I believe because I have come to the conclusion (based on scientific and prophetic evidence) that He does. Not all Christians are blind sheep who believe what we do because "Mommy and Daddy told us to." Some of us actually took the time to do some research before making a decision.

Yep, atheists want the state to instill it's values in your child. I think not.

I for one do not believe that he was arrested for preaching Atheism, it was probably for something else unrelated.

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I for one do not believe that he was arrested for preaching Atheism, it was probably for something else unrelated.

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I was thinking the same thing which is why I asked. It seems too unbelievable.

It is quite possible. No 1st Amendment in England. A little info>

 

British Christians Battle Hate Speech Laws

 

 

Lee Duigon

Great article, Hugo. Didn't know that!

The Catholic church also quite clearly violates the second commandment. It's all about "graven images" of divine reference.

He says at the top, he doesnt care, but clearly he does care otherwise why waste his time typing...

He says at the top, he doesnt care, but clearly he does care otherwise why waste his time typing...

Rep for that, I would tend to agree.

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All I'm saying is, believe what you like, I don't care, but please don't shove it in anyones faces. And also let your kids decide for themselves what they want to believe in, instead of forcing them to believe in a God that quite clearly doesn't exist.

 

i think that this was not so much a 'i don't care about anything to do with this' as it was 'i don't care what you beleave in, just don't try and force me to as well'

yessssss someone was nice to me..Well well, all is right with the world..

I for one do not believe that he was arrested for preaching Atheism, it was probably for something else unrelated.

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You are probably correct, since there is no atheist doctrine to preach.

 

One can speak out against this or that religious view... but that isn't preaching athe"ism". That is simply taking a religion to task. Pastors do it every Sunday in churches all around the world.

yessssss someone was nice to me..Well well, all is right with the world..

 

 

FFS you are one hate-filled individual, aren't you?

 

Yep, atheists want the state to instill it's values in your child. I think not.

 

 

The state's values?

 

And what would those be?

 

A state doesn't have separate values from the people living in the state. We are a democracy and the vast majority of this nation is Christian and so Christian values will be the guiding force behind decisions that are reached by ballot. So long as the make up of this people of this nation is the same... that is the way it should be.

 

Anything not decided by ballot of some kind will be handled by the courts via the constitution, ... sans religious consideration... as our founding fathers intended.

 

I am always amazed at the great numbers of people who think they know what atheists want. If atheists wanted to live in a nation where the minority rules... we would move to Africa.

Atheism... is hilarious.

Christians (from whichever Christian religion) will spend time trying to convince you that they are correct and that God is there. Especially Jehova's Witnesses.

Atheists will spend their time trying to convince you that, no, it is they who are correct and that no, God is not there.

So no matter which type of person you're dealing with, they will attempt to cram their beliefs down your throat. They dislike eachother for doing so, but will turn right around and do it themselves.

So, really, the Atheists are just as bad as their religious counterparts. I say hang them all.

Hail Satan!

Atheism... is hilarious.

Christians (from whichever Christian religion) will spend time trying to convince you that they are correct and that God is there. Especially Jehova's Witnesses.

 

They have to... their religion dictates that they should be "fishers of men". They have to try to recruit.

 

Atheists will spend their time trying to convince you that, no, it is they who are correct and that no, God is not there.

 

Most atheists I know (self included) don't give a rats ass whether or not you believe in anything at all. So long as you understand the rest of us have the right to walk down the street without having your propaganda shoved in our faces.

 

So no matter which type of person you're dealing with, they will attempt to cram their beliefs down your throat. They dislike eachother for doing so, but will turn right around and do it themselves.

 

Yet another misconception brought to you by the I know Atheists!" idiot squad. First of all... Atheists arent any certain "type of person"... We are ALL types of people from all walks of life. We have differing political views, morals, values, and cultural backgrounds. We disagree with other atheists on the same things on which we disagree with theists and we will argue with one another just as harshly as we argue with anyone else. We feel no loyalty to others simply because they agree with us on the ONE thing that makes us atheist. Some of my closest friends are Christian Evangelicals.

 

So, really, the Atheists are just as bad as their religious counterparts. I say hang them all.

Hail Satan!

 

You began this post by saying you find athiests hilarious... You end it by saying Atheists are bad and should be hanged.

 

Are you schizophrenic... or just a fucking sociopath?

They have to... their religion dictates that they should be "fishers of men". They have to try to recruit.[/Quote]

That doesn

They have to... their religion dictates that they should be "fishers of men". They have to try to recruit.

 

Ok, gotta start with my biggest peave about this shit: KNOW THE FUCKING BIBLE. Now, not a whole lot of people come on here and know what they're talking about. I'm not saying they're stupid, just blatantly ignorant. Ok, now that that is settled, do you know what the fuck the "fishers of men" thing came from? It was Jesus saying "Follow me, and I shall make you fishers of men." Now, that doesn't seem like him saying "convert convert convert", does it? I think not. There goes your conversion argument. There might be a reason you're in the idiot box, hmm? BTW, by your logic, all men should be gay.

 

 

 

Most atheists I know (self included) don't give a rats ass whether or not you believe in anything at all. So long as you understand the rest of us have the right to walk down the street without having your propaganda shoved in our faces.

 

I find this line funny. Wanna know why? Well, it's simple. You are saying that people shove propaganda in the faces of atheists. Now, I have never met a propaganda-shoving christian. In fact, I would bet they don't exist. No, I wouldn't. That'd be just plain silly. The real reason I find it funny is because you say that atheists don't try to convert people. Let me explain something to you:

 

Conversion is not to save people. That's a lie. You don't convert somebody to save their souls. Because, in reality, you don't care. You do, however, convert people to make your church larger (or lack thereof). Which, in turn, gives you more percieved power. Which is why they convert people. If you need me to spell this out for you any further, pm me.

 

Yet another misconception brought to you by the I know Atheists!" idiot squad. First of all... Atheists arent any certain "type of person"... We are ALL types of people from all walks of life.

 

I'm willing to bet that, just like with Christianity, certain people are more likely to accept the beliefs(or, again, lack thereof) of Atheism. You can argue against that, but you'd look stupid. Unless, of course you had evidence. But I have suspicions that you have the inablity to use "Google".

 

We have differing political views, morals, values, and cultural backgrounds. We disagree with other atheists on the same things on which we disagree with theists and we will argue with one another just as harshly as we argue with anyone else.

 

Is there seriously any point to this? You just explained absolutely nothing that we don't already know.

 

We feel no loyalty to others simply because they agree with us on the ONE thing that makes us atheist. Some of my closest friends are Christian Evangelicals.

 

You have no friends. I have a feeling even Christian Evangelicals shy away from your existance.

 

You began this post by saying you find athiests hilarious... You end it by saying Atheists are bad and should be hanged.

 

You are all going to hell...you realize that, right?

 

Are you schizophrenic... or just a fucking sociopath?

 

He is above your ability to comprehend, so you automatically label him? GJ, douchebag.

Two visions of the world remain locked in dispute. The first believes all men are created equal by a loving God who has blessed us with freedom. Abraham Lincoln spoke for us: "No man," he said, "is good enough to govern another without the other's consent."

 

The second vision believes that religion is opium for the masses. It believes that eternal principles like truth, liberty, and democracy have no meaning beyond the whim of the state. And Lenin spoke for them: "It is true, that liberty is precious," he said, "so precious that it must be rationed."

Well, I'll take Lincoln's version over Lenin's - and so will citizens of the world if they're given free choice.

-- Ronald Reagan

My experience with Atheist is that they are most often, wanna be intellectuals. They don't preach by way of the conventional definition. Atheist, including CMF, often say that Atheism isn't a belief system. However I disagree. Believing there is no god, is a belief. Thus your personal system of belief is formed. Also CMF takes great issue with my use of the term "Atheism". She says there is no such thing, as the 'ism' suggests religion. Not so. You can find this term in wholly non-religious words such as communism, socialism, capitalism and so on. 'Ism' does not suggest religion, rather a system of belief or practice.

 

I have never met a propaganda-shoving Christian. In fact, I would bet they don't exist.

Say what? A staple of the Christian belief is something called 'witnessing'. The practice of 'witnessing' is to provide non-believers with your testimony of Gods written word. A good Christian will provide witness to someone everyday. Either overtly or by way of subtlety.

 

PROPAGANDA:

1: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

2 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause

Christians provide assloads of propaganda to Atheist, and vice versa. Just having an internet conversation about your belief system which attacks the merits of another's belief system, is the utilization of propaganda. This is especially true when discussing religion, as there is no solid proof for either side to say that there is, or is not, a God.

 

Conversion is not to save people. That's a lie. You don't convert somebody to save their souls. Because, in reality, you don't care. You do, however, convert people to make your church larger (or lack thereof). Which, in turn, gives you more perceived power.

Although I'm more likely too side with your account of this action. In reality many Christians actually do believe that to bear witness is a humanitarian act of saving your fellow mans soul. To enlighten the ignorant in time to save them from the perils of rotting in hell. Of course the higher you go in the hierarchy of the church, the more the likelihood that the effort is more business related than anything else.

 

Most atheists I know (self included) don't give a rats ass whether or not you believe in anything at all. So long as you understand the rest of us have the right to walk down the street without having your propaganda shoved in our faces.

I'm going too have to agree with her on this. I'm no Atheist, rather more agnostic by definition. However most people that hold no religious denomination honestly don't care what you believe. They/we just enjoy chapping the ass of people that insist on believing in something entirely unproven and utterly unlikely.

 

Say what? A staple of the Christian belief is something called 'witnessing'. The practice of 'witnessing' is to provide non-believers with your testimony of Gods written word. A good Christian will provide witness to someone everyday. Either overtly or by way of subtlety.

 

I was being slightly sarcastic. It was a reference to her version of propaganda. Since, it's not propaganda to them. She can bitch all she wants, but they have the right. Just as she has the right to ignore it.

I smell dead horse?

 

Ya'll beatin' one in here?

My experience with Atheist is that they are most often, wanna be intellectuals.

 

I would have to agree with you on that. Many "become" atheist because they think people will assume they are intelligent if they do. I have seen it take less than a day for someone to throw away their religion once they learn the fact that, statistically, the lower the IQ, the more likely a person is to be a fundi. The fact that they are more concerned with being "assumed to be intelligent" than they are with actually learning and becoming more intelligent... says it all, though... doesn't it?

 

Atheist, including CMF, often say that Atheism isn't a belief system. However I disagree.

 

Note "system"... The majority of us do not say we don't have a belief. (not those of us who are logical and reasonable... and honest, anyway) A lack of belief in the existance of a god is, by default, belief that no god exists. We do not, however, have a belief "system".

 

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/system.html

 

Catholics, Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc. do go to church on a regular schedule in order to learn what their god/religion expects of them so they may live within those parameters. They worship, they pray before meals and/or before bed, they study the bible, they name their children after biblical characters, they dress according to their religion's requirements, they take a position either for or against things simply because they believe their god is either offended by or pleased with those things. In short... they live their lives by a "system" guided by and subject to their belief that a specific god exists. Hence, a "belief system".

 

My belief that no god exists does not guide my ideals or cause me to take actions based on that belief. It does not dictate my voting patterns... I am conservative republican. It does not guide my morals and values... I am Pro-Life, Pro- gun ownership, Pro- traditional family systems, Anti gay adoption, anti gay marriage, anti - welfare state, and... yes.. I am even anti "remove all representations of religion from whatever". I do not plan my life around taking part in any atheist activities. There is no place I go to have "fellowship' with other atheists and learn what is expected of me. In fact... I don't give a rat's ass what other atheists expect of me.

 

In my life, there is NO "system" that is created by my belief that their are no deities... so I do not have an "Atheist Belief System".

 

Also CMF takes great issue with my use of the term "Atheism". She says there is no such thing, as the 'ism' suggests religion. Not so. You can find this term in wholly non-religious words such as communism, socialism, capitalism and so on. 'Ism' does not suggest religion, rather a system of belief or practice.

 

Yes.. all of those things are systems. Systems of governing, systems of living, etc.

 

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My belief that no god exists does not guide my ideals or cause me to take actions based on that belief. It does not dictate my voting patterns... I am conservative republican. It does not guide my morals and values... I am Pro-Life, Pro- gun ownership, Pro- traditional family systems, Anti gay adoption, anti gay marriage, anti - welfare state, and... yes.. I am even anti "remove all representations of religion from whatever".

I like that. I can't stand people that align themselves with political parties or religious lobbyist and accept all the lumped beliefs that are inherent to that party. Its the epitome of letting someone else think for you. You can't be a republican if you want to abolish gun ownership, and you can't be a democrat if you are anti-abortion (or as I call it, anti-life). I mean to say that you can be, but you will not be accepted by your parties mainstream masses. I guess thats why the advent of subcategories to each respective party evolved. I'm a repubocrat, or a demolican. You pick.

 

Note "system"... The majority of us do not say we don't have a belief. (not those of us who are logical and reasonable... and honest, anyway) A lack of belief in the existence of a god is, by default, belief that no god exists. We do not, however, have a belief

In my life, there is NO "system" that is created by my belief that their are no deities... so I do not have an "Atheist Belief System".

I understand where you're coming from, however, the way I understand the modern Atheist is that they believe in purely scientific evolutionary creation theories. Separate from belief, or lack thereof, in God/Gods, is the belief one holds toward creation. If someone believes in something, than there must be a system to that belief. I'm not referring to worship or observances handed down by way of doctrine. But rather a belief in a sequence of events or occurrences that forms a systematic structure to support their belief. I guess the term is subject to personal opinion.

 

I am not part of an atheist movement and I am unaware if there is an atheist movement or not. I know there is a hand-full of pissed off lefty liberals who call their selves atheists...

The organized secular/Atheist movement is about the only group that lobbies against religion in government. Exclusively Christian ties in government i.e. the ten commandments being displayed in court houses. I think of them as parasitic in nature. Because without the existence of Christians, they would themselves cease to exist. They feed off their host.

 

And as I stated above... I do not have a "system of belief"..

 

So... I do not have an "ism".

I understand ya now. I'm too used to dealing with Atheist that want to lump themselves together. Strength in numbers and all that shit.

 

... and I know he believes he is required to at least TRY to "save' me... and I know, in his mind and heart, me debating the existence of god with him would be no different than him attempting to debate the existence of my dad with me.

I had a longtime boss like that. We had a great relationship yet he was constantly fishing for my exact "belief". In his eyes I was a lost soul and he was simply trying to show me the light, to save me. I never took it personally because I understood that he honestly believed this way. He explained to me not to take it personally, rather that his beliefs required this of him. It wasn't done disrespectfully, rather he respected me and honestly didn't want me to burn in the fires of hell. Hey thats cool, if hes right, I'm burning already.