Guest Patriot Games Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Chinese_Navy_Confronts/2008/01/16/64821.html Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk Wednesday, January 16, 2008 A Chinese attack submarine and destroyer confronted the U.S. carrier Kitty Hawk and its battle group in the Taiwan Strait, sparking a tense 28-hour standoff that brought both sides to a battle-ready position. The American ships were heading to Japan following China's sudden cancellation of a scheduled Thanksgiving port call in Hong Kong when they encountered the Chinese vessels, according to the Navy Times, which cited a report in a Chinese-language newspaper in Taiwan. The Times reported that the encounter caused the carrier group "to halt and ready for battle, as the Chinese vessels also stopped amid the 28-hour confrontation." The encounter ended without incident, however, and the U.S. ships continued on to Japan. The two Chinese vessels were also headed for a port call in Japan. The Chinese destroyer, Shenzhen, is armed with anti-ship missiles, while the Song-class attack sub is equipped with anti-ship missiles and a variety of torpedoes. China has expressed "grave concern" to the U.S. over the Kitty Hawk's transit through the Taiwan Strait, the Times notes. Beijing claims Taiwan is Chinese territory. But Admiral Timothy Keating, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, told reporters Tuesday: "We don't need China's permission to go through the Taiwan Strait. We will exercise our free right of passage whenever and wherever we choose." Shortly before the Kitty Hawk battle group was denied entry to Hong Kong, China had refused safe harbor for two U.S. Navy minesweepers seeking refuge from a storm. As Newsmax has reported, some U.S. politicians have rung alarm bells about China's increased military spending and technological revamping of its armed forces. China's military budget had an average annual growth rate of nearly 16 percent from 1994 to 2004, and China's reported 2006 military budget is about $35 billion, according to Beijing. But Pentagon sources have said these numbers fail to demonstrate the true scope of the growth, and the real 2006 figure could be as much as $105 billion. In recent years China has upgraded its nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles; bought state-of-the-art warships, fighter planes and submarines from Russia; and begun development of a number of so-called "asymmetrical" weapons, including informational warfare and anti-satellite systems. In November, Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda warned that China's continuing military buildup could eventually pose a "major threat" if the Chinese government decides to exercise its power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scotius Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 In article <478e7f04$0$4995$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Patriot@America.com says... > http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Chinese_Navy_Confronts/2008/01/16/64821.html > > Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk > > Wednesday, January 16, 2008 > > A Chinese attack submarine and destroyer confronted the U.S. carrier Kitty > Hawk and its battle group in the Taiwan Strait, sparking a tense 28-hour > standoff that brought both sides to a battle-ready position. > > The American ships were heading to Japan following China's sudden > cancellation of a scheduled Thanksgiving port call in Hong Kong when they > encountered the Chinese vessels, according to the Navy Times, which cited a > report in a Chinese-language newspaper in Taiwan. > > The Times reported that the encounter caused the carrier group "to halt and > ready for battle, as the Chinese vessels also stopped amid the 28-hour > confrontation." > > The encounter ended without incident, however, and the U.S. ships continued > on to Japan. The two Chinese vessels were also headed for a port call in > Japan. > > The Chinese destroyer, Shenzhen, is armed with anti-ship missiles, while the > Song-class attack sub is equipped with anti-ship missiles and a variety of > torpedoes. > > China has expressed "grave concern" to the U.S. over the Kitty Hawk's > transit through the Taiwan Strait, the Times notes. Beijing claims Taiwan is > Chinese territory. > > But Admiral Timothy Keating, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, told > reporters Tuesday: "We don't need China's permission to go through the > Taiwan Strait. We will exercise our free right of passage whenever and > wherever we choose." > > Shortly before the Kitty Hawk battle group was denied entry to Hong Kong, > China had refused safe harbor for two U.S. Navy minesweepers seeking refuge > from a storm. > > As Newsmax has reported, some U.S. politicians have rung alarm bells about > China's increased military spending and technological revamping of its armed > forces. > > China's military budget had an average annual growth rate of nearly 16 > percent from 1994 to 2004, and China's reported 2006 military budget is > about $35 billion, according to Beijing. > > But Pentagon sources have said these numbers fail to demonstrate the true > scope of the growth, and the real 2006 figure could be as much as $105 billion. Actually, the numbers are reasonable in terms of what the Chinese are spending, but they don't have anyone like Lockheed over there ripping them off, charging them double, etc. In other words, the 35 bn that China is spending is probably like at LEAST 105 bn spent in the US, if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest BE-VA Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:03:55 -0500, Scotius <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote: >In article <478e7f04$0$4995$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, >Patriot@America.com says... >> http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Chinese_Navy_Confronts/2008/01/16/64821.html >> >> Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk >> >> Wednesday, January 16, 2008 >> >> A Chinese attack submarine and destroyer confronted the U.S. carrier Kitty >> Hawk and its battle group in the Taiwan Strait, sparking a tense 28-hour >> standoff that brought both sides to a battle-ready position. >> >> The American ships were heading to Japan following China's sudden >> cancellation of a scheduled Thanksgiving port call in Hong Kong when they >> encountered the Chinese vessels, according to the Navy Times, which cited a >> report in a Chinese-language newspaper in Taiwan. >> >> The Times reported that the encounter caused the carrier group "to halt and >> ready for battle, as the Chinese vessels also stopped amid the 28-hour >> confrontation." >> >> The encounter ended without incident, however, and the U.S. ships continued >> on to Japan. The two Chinese vessels were also headed for a port call in >> Japan. >> >> The Chinese destroyer, Shenzhen, is armed with anti-ship missiles, while the >> Song-class attack sub is equipped with anti-ship missiles and a variety of >> torpedoes. >> >> China has expressed "grave concern" to the U.S. over the Kitty Hawk's >> transit through the Taiwan Strait, the Times notes. Beijing claims Taiwan is >> Chinese territory. >> >> But Admiral Timothy Keating, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, told >> reporters Tuesday: "We don't need China's permission to go through the >> Taiwan Strait. We will exercise our free right of passage whenever and >> wherever we choose." >> >> Shortly before the Kitty Hawk battle group was denied entry to Hong Kong, >> China had refused safe harbor for two U.S. Navy minesweepers seeking refuge >> from a storm. >> >> As Newsmax has reported, some U.S. politicians have rung alarm bells about >> China's increased military spending and technological revamping of its armed >> forces. >> >> China's military budget had an average annual growth rate of nearly 16 >> percent from 1994 to 2004, and China's reported 2006 military budget is >> about $35 billion, according to Beijing. >> >> But Pentagon sources have said these numbers fail to demonstrate the true >> scope of the growth, and the real 2006 figure could be as much as $105 billion. > > Actually, the numbers are reasonable in terms of what the Chinese >are spending, but they don't have anyone like Lockheed over there >ripping them off, charging them double, etc. In other words, the 35 bn >that China is spending is probably like at LEAST 105 bn spent in the US, >if not more. And they still can't get there ships and submarines to operate in the open sea for extended periods. A Day trip to the Straights of Formosa is a major accomplishment for the Chink navy. Believe it because you heard it from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 "Scotius" <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote in message news:MPG.22084e2710bfc40a9896aa@news.mnsi.net... > In article <478e7f04$0$4995$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > Patriot@America.com says... >> http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Chinese_Navy_Confronts/2008/01/16/64821.html >> Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk >> Wednesday, January 16, 2008 >> But Pentagon sources have said these numbers fail to demonstrate the true >> scope of the growth, and the real 2006 figure could be as much as $105 >> billion. > Actually, the numbers are reasonable in terms of what the Chinese > are spending, but they don't have anyone like Lockheed over there > ripping them off, charging them double, etc. In other words, the 35 bn > that China is spending is probably like at LEAST 105 bn spent in the US, > if not more. Even $105B to them ispocket change. It can go three ways: 1) Improve defense. 2) Improve local-regional offense. 3) Build a navy. If China decides to build a Navy big problems are on the way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 "BE-VA" <blackwater-evangelist@testland.net> wrote in message news:6gftp3pvfsbokhch1086j3vjik5lqluljd@4ax.com... > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:03:55 -0500, Scotius <yodasbud@mnsi.net> wrote: >>In article <478e7f04$0$4995$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, >>Patriot@America.com says... >>> http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Chinese_Navy_Confronts/2008/01/16/64821.html >>> Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk >>> Wednesday, January 16, 2008 > And they still can't get there ships and submarines to operate in the > open sea for extended periods. A Day trip to the Straights of Formosa > is a major accomplishment for the Chink navy. Believe it because you > heard it from me. So long as it stays that way. Otherwise the sharks are gonna be dining on chink.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message news:61509084-f330-4d08-ad1c-6a78aa130af8@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... On Jan 16, 2:02 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >> http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Chinese_Navy_Confronts/2008/01/16/... >> Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk >> Wednesday, January 16, 2008 >Looks like all of that republicon industry and technology transfer to >Maoland was a cking stupid idea after all, eh? I'm sorry, pardon me, but did Clinton do ANYTHING pro-American? We could make the entire Chink Navy unseaworthy in an afternoon with a single CSG and by evening snack time all of their seaports would be toasty. Wal-Mart would be rather unhappy, but they're pissing me off anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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