Church Vs. State.. Penalty? Excommunication.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050930/vaticansynod_samesexeucharist_20050930/20050930?hub=TopStories

 

To sum that all up, it basically means that influential politicians face the threat of excommunication by the Roman Catholic church if they do not practice according to church doctrine/canon law.

 

What do you guys think?

Pope is lame?

Pope is doing the right thing?

 

Canada's Prime Minister is under some heat with all the same-sex legislation, and abortion laws, etc. No one really believes he faces excommunication, even though he is a devout catholic, but he did say this...

 

"I believe in the Charter of Rights, and I do not believe that the prime minister of the country can cherry pick those rights," - Paul Martin

 

I very much agree with that. To me, the PMs relationship with his country should not be that of a religious one. Let the ideologies, the majorities of ethics, and the demand for freedoms govern how one runs the state - not personal religious interpretations.

What do you want? It's their church and their rules, if you don't like it find another church.

What do you want? It's their church and their rules, if you don't like it find another church.

 

I didn't want to butt in, but.................

 

Find another church? What happened to questioning established mores, and working towards a more unified future?

 

MRIH, you paint christianity with a rose-coloured brush.

 

You're forgetting the violence inherant in the history of the Christian church?

 

Care to hear some history?

Reading all this makes me even MORE proud to be an atheist.

I didn't want to butt in, but.................

Yeah, we know you and your quaint little not-so-well thought out antics.

 

Find another church?

Yes. (what a dolt)

 

What happened to questioning established mores, and working towards a more unified future?

What happened to liberty and the right to self determination?

 

MRIH, you paint christianity with a rose-coloured brush.

builder, you have the IQ of turtle. Your stupidity knows no bounds, and you continue to proclaim your ignorance with every post.

 

Yes, you dim witted twit! Find another fucking church, it's not like there aren't thousands of them everywhere! I know why you are so dull witted, but why do you attempt to carry yourself like an intellectual? Go back to the construction yard, you mindless troglodyte!

 

You're forgetting the violence inherant in the history of the Christian church?

builder, builder, builder

1) The history of Christianity has nothing to do with findng another church.

2) You don't know jack shit about anything unless AIG told you first. BTW builder, you are the only one on this site who is actually dumber than that somali retard.

 

Care to hear some history?

I love history, but I don't want to hear it from you!

It's their church and their rules

 

Yes, believe it or not, I am quite aware that these are their rules. Who else's would they be if they're the ones that promote them?

 

if you don't like it find another church.

Well, I'm not really interested, but thanks for the kind suggestion. I happen to be atheist.

 

You seemed to have missed the point I was making. I couldn't care less that it is their church. I am still disgusted by the ways in which they practise, however.

 

You know, this forum would be a pretty crappy place if we all had retorts as lame as yours. "Oh, that's someone else's viewpoint. Let's not discuss it."

The catholic church has always felt this way since the beginning. The thing is they only act on this rule when public opinion demands it. Once the money rollers take it too far the church HAS to punish a few to appear equal in teh eyes of the masses. Don't worry, they will kick one or two assholes out, it will look good to the masses then things will go back to status quo (buying your way into the gates of hell that is)

The catholic church has always felt this way since the beginning. The thing is they only act on this rule when public opinion demands it. Once the money rollers take it too far the church HAS to punish a few to appear equal in teh eyes of the masses. Don't worry, they will kick one or two assholes out, it will look good to the masses then things will go back to status quo (buying your way into the gates of hell that is)

 

You're probably right, but it doesn't change my mind that the catholic church is a vile thing. It exists only to serve those selfish enough to believe that their money buys them entrace past the pearly gates.

You're probably right, but it doesn't change my mind that the catholic church is a vile thing. It exists only to serve those selfish enough to believe that their money buys them entrace past the pearly gates.

Sad but true.

I agree that politicians should not govorn according to their religious beliefs and should represent the opinions and views of the majority of the population.

 

I on the other hand think that if you are a politician and do go against the doctrines of the church (notice church is not capitalized to mean non denominational) that you belong to you should also be aware that there may be concequences to your actions. This is no different then someone who goes against any rule, breaks a law or defies authority. There could be consequences to the choice you make.

 

I am all for questioning authority but same as any kind of revolution, no matter how small, you may also suffer negatively in some way.

 

I would also like to say that I am Catholic but don't feel I or anyone has the right to tell non-Catholic persons they have to follow these same rules just because it is what I beleive. I personally wouldn't be a part of rights and choices that go against the Church (capitalized) like gay rights or abortion but I also don't condemn people for decisions they make.

I think I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that the Church would 'excommunicate' such powers. Wow, that takes me back to the Mr. Fuller's World History class....

 

Hell, the Church is, well... the Church. Of course they'd take such action. They have every right to do whatever they want. So, they're on a tirade. Their religion demands it of them to throw chairs across the room, break rulers, and intimidate whomever disagrees. Let them be on their tirade.

The man's doing what he thinks will better his country's reputation, morale, and whatever else may improve. I say, don't kill the messenger (minister). S'not like excommunication is a big deal, really. And, before anyone protests about that statement, that is of my own personal opinion.

Don't worry, Paul, they now have Church on TV, XD.

I think I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that the Church would 'excommunicate' such powers. Wow, that takes me back to the Mr. Fuller's World History class....

 

Hell, the Church is, well... the Church. Of course they'd take such action. They have every right to do whatever they want. So, they're on a tirade. Their religion demands it of them to throw chairs across the room, break rulers, and intimidate whomever disagrees. Let them be on their tirade.

The man's doing what he thinks will better his country's reputation, morale, and whatever else may improve. I say, don't kill the messenger (minister). S'not like excommunication is a big deal, really. And, before anyone protests about that statement, that is of my own personal opinion.

Don't worry, Paul, they now have Church on TV, XD.

 

No, you're right. It's not really a big deal, and everyone else also right that the curch has the right to do what they will.

 

I just laugh at the church. I just see the catholic church as dead, yet they keep clawing at the water to stay afloat, but the doctrine is DEAD (in some cases, some principles are still followed).

 

Oh, did I mention I think it's stupid? Right..might've forgotten that part..

 

I'm not a fan of religion, and the way religion runs as an Organization is ludicrous and a bit disgusting. That's what annoys me.