CIA withheld al Qaeda tapes from 9/11 panel-paper

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John

Guest
CIA withheld al Qaeda tapes from 9/11 panel-paper
Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05pm EST
(Adds CIA comment in paragraphs 6-8)

NEW YORK, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The Sept. 11 commission asked the CIA in 2003
and 2004 for information on the interrogation of al Qaeda suspects, only to
be told the agency provided all that was requested, The New York Times
reported on Saturday.

The CIA said on Dec. 6 it destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape in 2005
showing interrogations of al Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim
al-Nashiri, prompting former members of the commission to review classified
documents.

The taped interrogations were believed to show a simulated drowning
technique known as waterboarding that rights activists have condemned as
torture.

The Sept. 11 commission's chairmen, Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean, said their
reading of the review, a copy of which the newspaper obtained, convinced
them the CIA made a conscious decision to impede the panel's inquiry, the
Times said.

A memo prepared by Philip Zelikow, the panel's former executive director,
concluded that "further investigation is needed" to determine whether the
CIA's withholding of the interrogation tapes from the commission violated
U.S. law, the paper reported.

CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield on Saturday said the CIA gave the commission "a
wealth of information" and did not destroy the tapes while the commission
was active.

"The 9/11 commission certainly had access to, and drew from, detailed
information that had been provided by terrorist detainees," Mansfield said
in an e-mail. "That's how they reconstructed the plot in their comprehensive
report."

"Because it was thought the commission could ask about tapes at some point,
they were not destroyed while the commission was active. As Director Hayden
pointed out in his December 6th statement, the tapes were destroyed only
when it was determined they were no longer of intelligence value and not
relevant to any internal, legislative or judicial inquiries," Mansfield
said.

The CIA said it destroyed the tapes lawfully to protect the agents involved
in the interrogations, but the news prompted an outcry from rights activists
and Democrats in Congress, as well as investigations by the Bush
administration and Congress.

The commission investigated what went wrong before and after al Qaeda
militants used hijacked commercial airliners to attack the United States on
Sept. 11, 2001. The panel's report called for an overhaul of the U.S.
intelligence community.

Kean, a Republican and former New Jersey governor, said the panel would give
the memo to federal prosecutors and lawmakers looking into the destruction
of the tapes.

A CIA spokesman told the Times the agency had been prepared to provide the
Sept. 11 commission with the tapes, but was never asked to do so.

"I don't know whether that's illegal or not, but it's certainly wrong," Kean
said of the CIA's decision not to disclose the existence of the tapes.
Hamilton, a Democrat and former Indiana congressman, said the agency
"clearly obstructed" the commission's investigation.

NOT HOLDING BACK

Among statements that the memo suggested were misleading was a June 2004
assertion by John McLaughlin, deputy director of central intelligence, that
the CIA had "taken and completed all reasonable steps necessary to find the
documents in its possession, custody or control" in response to the panel's
requests and "has produced or made available for review" all such documents,
the Times said.

Kean and Hamilton expressed anger once it was revealed the tapes had been
destroyed, the paper said.

The Times said Zelikow's report provides more evidence to bolster their
views about the CIA's actions and was likely to put more pressure on the
Bush administration over its handling of the matter.

McLaughlin told the Times that agency officials had always been candid with
the commission and that information from the CIA proved central to their
work.

"We weren't playing games with them, and we weren't holding anything back,"
the paper quoted him as saying.

The memo draws no conclusions about whether the withholding of the tapes was
unlawful, but notes that federal law penalizes anyone who knowingly
withholds or covers up a material fact from a federal inquiry or makes a
false statement to investigators, the Times reported. (Editing by John
O'Callaghan)
 
John wrote:
> CIA withheld al Qaeda tapes from 9/11 panel-paper
> Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05pm EST
> (Adds CIA comment in paragraphs 6-8)
>
> NEW YORK, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The Sept. 11 commission asked the CIA in 2003
> and 2004 for information on the interrogation of al Qaeda suspects, only to
> be told the agency provided all that was requested, The New York Times
> reported on Saturday.
>
> The CIA said on Dec. 6 it destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape in 2005
> showing interrogations of al Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim
> al-Nashiri, prompting former members of the commission to review classified
> documents.
>
> The taped interrogations were believed to show a simulated drowning
> technique known as waterboarding that rights activists have condemned as
> torture.
>
> The Sept. 11 commission's chairmen, Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean, said their
> reading of the review, a copy of which the newspaper obtained, convinced
> them the CIA made a conscious decision to impede the panel's inquiry, the
> Times said.
>
> A memo prepared by Philip Zelikow, the panel's former executive director,
> concluded that "further investigation is needed" to determine whether the
> CIA's withholding of the interrogation tapes from the commission violated
> U.S. law, the paper reported.
>
> CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield on Saturday said the CIA gave the commission "a
> wealth of information" and did not destroy the tapes while the commission
> was active.
>
> "The 9/11 commission certainly had access to, and drew from, detailed
> information that had been provided by terrorist detainees," Mansfield said
> in an e-mail. "That's how they reconstructed the plot in their comprehensive
> report."
>
> "Because it was thought the commission could ask about tapes at some point,
> they were not destroyed while the commission was active. As Director Hayden
> pointed out in his December 6th statement, the tapes were destroyed only
> when it was determined they were no longer of intelligence value and not
> relevant to any internal, legislative or judicial inquiries," Mansfield
> said.
>
> The CIA said it destroyed the tapes lawfully to protect the agents involved
> in the interrogations, but the news prompted an outcry from rights activists
> and Democrats in Congress, as well as investigations by the Bush
> administration and Congress.
>
> The commission investigated what went wrong before and after al Qaeda
> militants used hijacked commercial airliners to attack the United States on
> Sept. 11, 2001. The panel's report called for an overhaul of the U.S.
> intelligence community.
>
> Kean, a Republican and former New Jersey governor, said the panel would give
> the memo to federal prosecutors and lawmakers looking into the destruction
> of the tapes.
>
> A CIA spokesman told the Times the agency had been prepared to provide the
> Sept. 11 commission with the tapes, but was never asked to do so.
>
> "I don't know whether that's illegal or not, but it's certainly wrong," Kean
> said of the CIA's decision not to disclose the existence of the tapes.
> Hamilton, a Democrat and former Indiana congressman, said the agency
> "clearly obstructed" the commission's investigation.
>
> NOT HOLDING BACK
>
> Among statements that the memo suggested were misleading was a June 2004
> assertion by John McLaughlin, deputy director of central intelligence, that
> the CIA had "taken and completed all reasonable steps necessary to find the
> documents in its possession, custody or control" in response to the panel's
> requests and "has produced or made available for review" all such documents,
> the Times said.
>
> Kean and Hamilton expressed anger once it was revealed the tapes had been
> destroyed, the paper said.
>
> The Times said Zelikow's report provides more evidence to bolster their
> views about the CIA's actions and was likely to put more pressure on the
> Bush administration over its handling of the matter.
>
> McLaughlin told the Times that agency officials had always been candid with
> the commission and that information from the CIA proved central to their
> work.
>
> "We weren't playing games with them, and we weren't holding anything back,"
> the paper quoted him as saying.
>
> The memo draws no conclusions about whether the withholding of the tapes was
> unlawful, but notes that federal law penalizes anyone who knowingly
> withholds or covers up a material fact from a federal inquiry or makes a
> false statement to investigators, the Times reported. (Editing by John
> O'Callaghan)
>
>

The sad part in all this is that the 911 commission knew it was being
stonewalled and still had the gall to make recommendations which brought
about sweeping changes to our national security infrastructure. These
changes have been directly responsible for the massive Federal
Government failures seen in New Orleans and else where.
 
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:18:51 +0000, John wrote:

> CIA withheld al Qaeda tapes from 9/11 panel-paper
> Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05pm EST
> (Adds CIA comment in paragraphs 6-8)
>
> NEW YORK, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The Sept. 11 commission asked the CIA in 2003
> and 2004 for information on the interrogation of al Qaeda suspects, only to
> be told the agency provided all that was requested, The New York Times
> reported on Saturday.
>
> The CIA said on Dec. 6 it destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape in 2005
> showing interrogations of al Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim
> al-Nashiri, prompting former members of the commission to review classified
> documents.
>
> The taped interrogations were believed to show a simulated drowning
> technique known as waterboarding that rights activists have condemned as
> torture.


Gosh, just "rights activists"? damned radicals.

BTW, I guess the US Federal guvment has no objection to foreign guvments
in time of war "waterboarding" captured US soldiers in "enhanced
interrogation", right?

Or are they complete, total and vicious hypocrites? (rhetorical question.)

--

Those who mean the best are many times misled
so far to the prejudice of those that trust them
as to leave them in a condition nearest to bondage
when they have thought they had brought them
into a way of freedom.

< John Lilburne
 
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:43:21 -0500, d2e2 wrote:

> John wrote:
>
>> CIA withheld al Qaeda tapes from 9/11 panel-paper
>> Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05pm EST
>> (Adds CIA comment in paragraphs 6-8)
>>
>> NEW YORK, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The Sept. 11 commission asked the CIA in 2003
>> and 2004 for information on the interrogation of al Qaeda suspects, only to
>> be told the agency provided all that was requested, The New York Times
>> reported on Saturday.
>>
>> The CIA said on Dec. 6 it destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape in 2005
>> showing interrogations of al Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim
>> al-Nashiri, prompting former members of the commission to review classified
>> documents.
>>
>> The taped interrogations were believed to show a simulated drowning
>> technique known as waterboarding that rights activists have condemned as
>> torture.
>>
>> The Sept. 11 commission's chairmen, Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean, said their
>> reading of the review, a copy of which the newspaper obtained, convinced
>> them the CIA made a conscious decision to impede the panel's inquiry, the
>> Times said.
>>
>> A memo prepared by Philip Zelikow, the panel's former executive director,
>> concluded that "further investigation is needed" to determine whether the
>> CIA's withholding of the interrogation tapes from the commission violated
>> U.S. law, the paper reported.
>>
>> CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield on Saturday said the CIA gave the commission "a
>> wealth of information" and did not destroy the tapes while the commission
>> was active.
>>
>> "The 9/11 commission certainly had access to, and drew from, detailed
>> information that had been provided by terrorist detainees," Mansfield said
>> in an e-mail. "That's how they reconstructed the plot in their comprehensive
>> report."
>>
>> "Because it was thought the commission could ask about tapes at some point,
>> they were not destroyed while the commission was active. As Director Hayden
>> pointed out in his December 6th statement, the tapes were destroyed only
>> when it was determined they were no longer of intelligence value and not
>> relevant to any internal, legislative or judicial inquiries," Mansfield
>> said.
>>
>> The CIA said it destroyed the tapes lawfully to protect the agents involved
>> in the interrogations, but the news prompted an outcry from rights activists
>> and Democrats in Congress, as well as investigations by the Bush
>> administration and Congress.
>>
>> The commission investigated what went wrong before and after al Qaeda
>> militants used hijacked commercial airliners to attack the United States on
>> Sept. 11, 2001. The panel's report called for an overhaul of the U.S.
>> intelligence community.
>>
>> Kean, a Republican and former New Jersey governor, said the panel would give
>> the memo to federal prosecutors and lawmakers looking into the destruction
>> of the tapes.
>>
>> A CIA spokesman told the Times the agency had been prepared to provide the
>> Sept. 11 commission with the tapes, but was never asked to do so.
>>
>> "I don't know whether that's illegal or not, but it's certainly wrong," Kean
>> said of the CIA's decision not to disclose the existence of the tapes.
>> Hamilton, a Democrat and former Indiana congressman, said the agency
>> "clearly obstructed" the commission's investigation.
>>
>> NOT HOLDING BACK
>>
>> Among statements that the memo suggested were misleading was a June 2004
>> assertion by John McLaughlin, deputy director of central intelligence, that
>> the CIA had "taken and completed all reasonable steps necessary to find the
>> documents in its possession, custody or control" in response to the panel's
>> requests and "has produced or made available for review" all such documents,
>> the Times said.
>>
>> Kean and Hamilton expressed anger once it was revealed the tapes had been
>> destroyed, the paper said.
>>
>> The Times said Zelikow's report provides more evidence to bolster their
>> views about the CIA's actions and was likely to put more pressure on the
>> Bush administration over its handling of the matter.
>>
>> McLaughlin told the Times that agency officials had always been candid with
>> the commission and that information from the CIA proved central to their
>> work.
>>
>> "We weren't playing games with them, and we weren't holding anything back,"
>> the paper quoted him as saying.
>>
>> The memo draws no conclusions about whether the withholding of the tapes was
>> unlawful, but notes that federal law penalizes anyone who knowingly
>> withholds or covers up a material fact from a federal inquiry or makes a
>> false statement to investigators, the Times reported. (Editing by John
>> O'Callaghan)

>
> The sad part in all this is that the 911 commission knew it was being
> stonewalled and still had the gall to make recommendations which brought
> about sweeping changes to our national security infrastructure. These
> changes have been directly responsible for the massive Federal
> Government failures seen in New Orleans and else where.


There's nothing quite as remunerative as exploiting a national disaster to
add new police powers without benefit of Constitutional amendment, as well
as a new layer of bureaucracy in the serious parts of the guvment, and of
course generously hand out a tidal-wave of, er, "enhanced contracting".

--

When was the last time you heard an American politician
use the word "plutocracy"?
 
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eek:dednWgwCZQTN_PanZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:43:21 -0500, d2e2 wrote:
>
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> CIA withheld al Qaeda tapes from 9/11 panel-paper
>>> Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05pm EST
>>> (Adds CIA comment in paragraphs 6-8)
>>>
>>> NEW YORK, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The Sept. 11 commission asked the CIA in
>>> 2003
>>> and 2004 for information on the interrogation of al Qaeda suspects, only
>>> to
>>> be told the agency provided all that was requested, The New York Times
>>> reported on Saturday.
>>>
>>> The CIA said on Dec. 6 it destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape in
>>> 2005
>>> showing interrogations of al Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd
>>> al-Rahim
>>> al-Nashiri, prompting former members of the commission to review
>>> classified
>>> documents.
>>>
>>> The taped interrogations were believed to show a simulated drowning
>>> technique known as waterboarding that rights activists have condemned as
>>> torture.
>>>
>>> The Sept. 11 commission's chairmen, Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean, said
>>> their
>>> reading of the review, a copy of which the newspaper obtained, convinced
>>> them the CIA made a conscious decision to impede the panel's inquiry,
>>> the
>>> Times said.
>>>
>>> A memo prepared by Philip Zelikow, the panel's former executive
>>> director,
>>> concluded that "further investigation is needed" to determine whether
>>> the
>>> CIA's withholding of the interrogation tapes from the commission
>>> violated
>>> U.S. law, the paper reported.
>>>
>>> CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield on Saturday said the CIA gave the
>>> commission "a
>>> wealth of information" and did not destroy the tapes while the
>>> commission
>>> was active.
>>>
>>> "The 9/11 commission certainly had access to, and drew from, detailed
>>> information that had been provided by terrorist detainees," Mansfield
>>> said
>>> in an e-mail. "That's how they reconstructed the plot in their
>>> comprehensive
>>> report."
>>>
>>> "Because it was thought the commission could ask about tapes at some
>>> point,
>>> they were not destroyed while the commission was active. As Director
>>> Hayden
>>> pointed out in his December 6th statement, the tapes were destroyed only
>>> when it was determined they were no longer of intelligence value and not
>>> relevant to any internal, legislative or judicial inquiries," Mansfield
>>> said.
>>>
>>> The CIA said it destroyed the tapes lawfully to protect the agents
>>> involved
>>> in the interrogations, but the news prompted an outcry from rights
>>> activists
>>> and Democrats in Congress, as well as investigations by the Bush
>>> administration and Congress.
>>>
>>> The commission investigated what went wrong before and after al Qaeda
>>> militants used hijacked commercial airliners to attack the United States
>>> on
>>> Sept. 11, 2001. The panel's report called for an overhaul of the U.S.
>>> intelligence community.
>>>
>>> Kean, a Republican and former New Jersey governor, said the panel would
>>> give
>>> the memo to federal prosecutors and lawmakers looking into the
>>> destruction
>>> of the tapes.
>>>
>>> A CIA spokesman told the Times the agency had been prepared to provide
>>> the
>>> Sept. 11 commission with the tapes, but was never asked to do so.
>>>
>>> "I don't know whether that's illegal or not, but it's certainly wrong,"
>>> Kean
>>> said of the CIA's decision not to disclose the existence of the tapes.
>>> Hamilton, a Democrat and former Indiana congressman, said the agency
>>> "clearly obstructed" the commission's investigation.
>>>
>>> NOT HOLDING BACK
>>>
>>> Among statements that the memo suggested were misleading was a June 2004
>>> assertion by John McLaughlin, deputy director of central intelligence,
>>> that
>>> the CIA had "taken and completed all reasonable steps necessary to find
>>> the
>>> documents in its possession, custody or control" in response to the
>>> panel's
>>> requests and "has produced or made available for review" all such
>>> documents,
>>> the Times said.
>>>
>>> Kean and Hamilton expressed anger once it was revealed the tapes had
>>> been
>>> destroyed, the paper said.
>>>
>>> The Times said Zelikow's report provides more evidence to bolster their
>>> views about the CIA's actions and was likely to put more pressure on the
>>> Bush administration over its handling of the matter.
>>>
>>> McLaughlin told the Times that agency officials had always been candid
>>> with
>>> the commission and that information from the CIA proved central to their
>>> work.
>>>
>>> "We weren't playing games with them, and we weren't holding anything
>>> back,"
>>> the paper quoted him as saying.
>>>
>>> The memo draws no conclusions about whether the withholding of the tapes
>>> was
>>> unlawful, but notes that federal law penalizes anyone who knowingly
>>> withholds or covers up a material fact from a federal inquiry or makes a
>>> false statement to investigators, the Times reported. (Editing by John
>>> O'Callaghan)

>>
>> The sad part in all this is that the 911 commission knew it was being
>> stonewalled and still had the gall to make recommendations which brought
>> about sweeping changes to our national security infrastructure. These
>> changes have been directly responsible for the massive Federal
>> Government failures seen in New Orleans and else where.

>
> There's nothing quite as remunerative as exploiting a national disaster to
> add new police powers without benefit of Constitutional amendment, as well
> as a new layer of bureaucracy in the serious parts of the guvment, and of
> course generously hand out a tidal-wave of, er, "enhanced contracting".


Scholars in recent years have been comparing the US to Rome just prior to
its collapse. Universal deceit and dissolution of the social contract are
two of the hallmarks of a collapsing society. Dick Cheney is the commander
of the Praetorian Guard. The American Imperial armies are overstretched
throughout the Empire, mistreated, worn out and ripe for mutiny.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHA20071209&articleId=7577
 
After almost seven years of crimes and corruption of Bush's
presidency, the only time something the executive branch does being
news worthy is when they do something that is legal and right.
 
On Dec 22, 5:18 pm, "John" <JohnDs...@nmail.comx> wrote:
> CIA withheld al Qaeda tapes from 9/11 panel-paper
> Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05pm EST
> (Adds CIA comment in paragraphs 6-8)
>
> NEW YORK, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The Sept. 11 commission asked the CIA in 2003
> and 2004 for information on the interrogation of al Qaeda suspects, only to
> be told the agency provided all that was requested, The New York Times
> reported on Saturday.
>
> The CIA said on Dec. 6 it destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape in 2005
> showing interrogations of al Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim
> al-Nashiri, prompting former members of the commission to review classified
> documents.
>
> The taped interrogations were believed to show a simulated drowning
> technique known as waterboarding that rights activists have condemned as
> torture.
>
> The Sept. 11 commission's chairmen, Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean, said their
> reading of the review, a copy of which the newspaper obtained, convinced
> them the CIA made a conscious decision to impede the panel's inquiry, the
> Times said.
>
> A memo prepared by Philip Zelikow, the panel's former executive director,
> concluded that "further investigation is needed" to determine whether the
> CIA's withholding of the interrogation tapes from the commission violated
> U.S. law, the paper reported.
>
> CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield on Saturday said the CIA gave the commission "a
> wealth of information" and did not destroy the tapes while the commission
> was active.
>
> "The 9/11 commission certainly had access to, and drew from, detailed
> information that had been provided by terrorist detainees," Mansfield said
> in an e-mail. "That's how they reconstructed the plot in their comprehensive
> report."
>
> "Because it was thought the commission could ask about tapes at some point,
> they were not destroyed while the commission was active. As Director Hayden
> pointed out in his December 6th statement, the tapes were destroyed only
> when it was determined they were no longer of intelligence value and not
> relevant to any internal, legislative or judicial inquiries," Mansfield
> said.
>
> The CIA said it destroyed the tapes lawfully to protect the agents involved
> in the interrogations, but the news prompted an outcry from rights activists
> and Democrats in Congress, as well as investigations by the Bush
> administration and Congress.
>
> The commission investigated what went wrong before and after al Qaeda
> militants used hijacked commercial airliners to attack the United States on
> Sept. 11, 2001. The panel's report called for an overhaul of the U.S.
> intelligence community.
>
> Kean, a Republican and former New Jersey governor, said the panel would give
> the memo to federal prosecutors and lawmakers looking into the destruction
> of the tapes.
>
> A CIA spokesman told the Times the agency had been prepared to provide the
> Sept. 11 commission with the tapes, but was never asked to do so.
>
> "I don't know whether that's illegal or not, but it's certainly wrong," Kean
> said of the CIA's decision not to disclose the existence of the tapes.
> Hamilton, a Democrat and former Indiana congressman, said the agency
> "clearly obstructed" the commission's investigation.
>
> NOT HOLDING BACK
>
> Among statements that the memo suggested were misleading was a June 2004
> assertion by John McLaughlin, deputy director of central intelligence, that
> the CIA had "taken and completed all reasonable steps necessary to find the
> documents in its possession, custody or control" in response to the panel's
> requests and "has produced or made available for review" all such documents,
> the Times said.
>
> Kean and Hamilton expressed anger once it was revealed the tapes had been
> destroyed, the paper said.
>
> The Times said Zelikow's report provides more evidence to bolster their
> views about the CIA's actions and was likely to put more pressure on the
> Bush administration over its handling of the matter.
>
> McLaughlin told the Times that agency officials had always been candid with
> the commission and that information from the CIA proved central to their
> work.
>
> "We weren't playing games with them, and we weren't holding anything back,"
> the paper quoted him as saying.
>
> The memo draws no conclusions about whether the withholding of the tapes was
> unlawful, but notes that federal law penalizes anyone who knowingly
> withholds or covers up a material fact from a federal inquiry or makes a
> false statement to investigators, the Times reported. (Editing by John
> O'Callaghan)


america has rogue intelligence agencies
that feel they are above the law

they are funding the buildup of private armies
like blackwater
over the constitutionally and legislatively constrained ones

it has increased surveillance of its citizenry

it has admitted propaganda efforts

leaks from both british and american agencies
have produced documents showing america was determined war with iraq
some documents pointing to plans before the events of 9/11

torture has become accepted interrogation practice

restricting habeaus corpus is seriously debated

and the destruction of evidence is now commonplace
whether emails by whitehouse staffers
or tapes of torture by the cia

this is america today

without a serious analysis of the power structures
and actual effort made starting at the local levels
to find solutions to this
with all the effort given to curing diseases
this situation will not change

research into government dynamics makes some solutions clear
but will the people actually act?

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
 
galathaea wrote:
> On Dec 22, 5:18 pm, "John" <JohnDs...@nmail.comx> wrote:
>> CIA withheld al Qaeda tapes from 9/11 panel-paper
>> Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05pm EST
>> (Adds CIA comment in paragraphs 6-8)
>>
>> NEW YORK, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The Sept. 11 commission asked the CIA in 2003
>> and 2004 for information on the interrogation of al Qaeda suspects, only to
>> be told the agency provided all that was requested, The New York Times
>> reported on Saturday.
>>
>> The CIA said on Dec. 6 it destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape in 2005
>> showing interrogations of al Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim
>> al-Nashiri, prompting former members of the commission to review classified
>> documents.
>>
>> The taped interrogations were believed to show a simulated drowning
>> technique known as waterboarding that rights activists have condemned as
>> torture.
>>
>> The Sept. 11 commission's chairmen, Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean, said their
>> reading of the review, a copy of which the newspaper obtained, convinced
>> them the CIA made a conscious decision to impede the panel's inquiry, the
>> Times said.
>>
>> A memo prepared by Philip Zelikow, the panel's former executive director,
>> concluded that "further investigation is needed" to determine whether the
>> CIA's withholding of the interrogation tapes from the commission violated
>> U.S. law, the paper reported.
>>
>> CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield on Saturday said the CIA gave the commission "a
>> wealth of information" and did not destroy the tapes while the commission
>> was active.
>>
>> "The 9/11 commission certainly had access to, and drew from, detailed
>> information that had been provided by terrorist detainees," Mansfield said
>> in an e-mail. "That's how they reconstructed the plot in their comprehensive
>> report."
>>
>> "Because it was thought the commission could ask about tapes at some point,
>> they were not destroyed while the commission was active. As Director Hayden
>> pointed out in his December 6th statement, the tapes were destroyed only
>> when it was determined they were no longer of intelligence value and not
>> relevant to any internal, legislative or judicial inquiries," Mansfield
>> said.
>>
>> The CIA said it destroyed the tapes lawfully to protect the agents involved
>> in the interrogations, but the news prompted an outcry from rights activists
>> and Democrats in Congress, as well as investigations by the Bush
>> administration and Congress.
>>
>> The commission investigated what went wrong before and after al Qaeda
>> militants used hijacked commercial airliners to attack the United States on
>> Sept. 11, 2001. The panel's report called for an overhaul of the U.S.
>> intelligence community.
>>
>> Kean, a Republican and former New Jersey governor, said the panel would give
>> the memo to federal prosecutors and lawmakers looking into the destruction
>> of the tapes.
>>
>> A CIA spokesman told the Times the agency had been prepared to provide the
>> Sept. 11 commission with the tapes, but was never asked to do so.
>>
>> "I don't know whether that's illegal or not, but it's certainly wrong," Kean
>> said of the CIA's decision not to disclose the existence of the tapes.
>> Hamilton, a Democrat and former Indiana congressman, said the agency
>> "clearly obstructed" the commission's investigation.
>>
>> NOT HOLDING BACK
>>
>> Among statements that the memo suggested were misleading was a June 2004
>> assertion by John McLaughlin, deputy director of central intelligence, that
>> the CIA had "taken and completed all reasonable steps necessary to find the
>> documents in its possession, custody or control" in response to the panel's
>> requests and "has produced or made available for review" all such documents,
>> the Times said.
>>
>> Kean and Hamilton expressed anger once it was revealed the tapes had been
>> destroyed, the paper said.
>>
>> The Times said Zelikow's report provides more evidence to bolster their
>> views about the CIA's actions and was likely to put more pressure on the
>> Bush administration over its handling of the matter.
>>
>> McLaughlin told the Times that agency officials had always been candid with
>> the commission and that information from the CIA proved central to their
>> work.
>>
>> "We weren't playing games with them, and we weren't holding anything back,"
>> the paper quoted him as saying.
>>
>> The memo draws no conclusions about whether the withholding of the tapes was
>> unlawful, but notes that federal law penalizes anyone who knowingly
>> withholds or covers up a material fact from a federal inquiry or makes a
>> false statement to investigators, the Times reported. (Editing by John
>> O'Callaghan)

>
> america has rogue intelligence agencies
> that feel they are above the law


By order of the President and/or his representatives!
Do keep in mind we now have a dual nationality Jew that is
that is Bush's hand picked Jew..

>
> they are funding the buildup of private armies
> like blackwater


That again is your President and his Henchmen/Henchwomen!

> over the constitutionally and legislatively constrained ones


That is your duly elected Congress selling out to the highesty bidder
and ignoring their true constituency.

>
> it has increased surveillance of its citizenry


From the Top office in the country to the Congress and the
Senate..including many untouchable bureauracies.. Those are your criminals!

>
> it has admitted propaganda efforts
>
> leaks from both british and american agencies
> have produced documents showing america was determined war with iraq
> some documents pointing to plans before the events of 9/11


Yet when someone wants to organize and get in Governments face over its
corruption.. Your too busy drinking beer and watching the Super Bowl!

>
> torture has become accepted interrogation practice


Not by real Americans... Bring a lawsuite to correct this travesty. O
arm yourself with 300 million other like minded Americans and march on
Washington. Several hundred public officials hung on Penslavania avenue
should get the rest of Governments attention.. No more Watergate type of
bullshit investigations.

>
> restricting habeaus corpus is seriously debated


Not acceptable.. Only in case of war or something of a true national
emergency. Lincoln did it during the Civil war.. Many feel that was wrong.

>
> and the destruction of evidence is now commonplace
> whether emails by whitehouse staffers
> or tapes of torture by the cia


Lock up every SOB that was even vaguely complicit.. Until such time as
the evidence is produced.. If they have destroyed it for real...
Well...Tough ****.. Life in Marionville unless they can **** out the
destroyed records.. They use if to make guys **** out alimony and child
support they don't have.. So it should be good enough for Government.
When you **** up in public office the punishment should be extreme and
severe! Presidential pardons should be suspended indefinitely. As should
nonadministrative exectutive orders.. These ****ing orders are misused
by the past 3 or 4 presidents to give themselves Kingly power.. For this
both Bushs and both Klintons should be locked up in the tower ..never to
be released.

>
> this is america today
>
> without a serious analysis of the power structures
> and actual effort made starting at the local levels
> to find solutions to this
> with all the effort given to curing diseases
> this situation will not change



>
> research into government dynamics makes some solutions clear
> but will the people actually act?


Will you... Or are you just a rabble rouser that hides under the bed
when push comes to shove?

>
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