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When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting illegal
alien gang members?.....AAC


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Cities sue gangs in bid to stop violence By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer
Sun Jul 29, 1:50 PM ET

FORT WORTH, Texas - Fed up with deadly drive-by shootings, incessant drug dealing and
graffiti, cities nationwide are trying a different tactic to combat gangs: They're
suing them.

Fort Worth and San Francisco are among the latest to file lawsuits against gang
members, asking courts for injunctions barring them from hanging out together on
street corners, in cars or anywhere else in certain areas.

The injunctions are aimed at disrupting gang activity before it can escalate. They
also give police legal reasons to stop and question gang members, who often are found
with drugs or weapons, authorities said. In some cases, they don't allow gang members
to even talk to people passing in cars or to carry spray paint.

"It is another tool," said Kevin Rousseau, a Tarrant County assistant prosecutor in
Fort Worth, which recently filed its first civil injunction against a gang. "This is
more of a proactive approach."

But critics say such lawsuits go too far, limiting otherwise lawful activities and
unfairly targeting minority youth.

"If you're barring people from talking in the streets, it's difficult to tell if
they're gang members or if they're people discussing issues," said Peter Bibring, an
attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California. "And it's
all the more troubling because it doesn't seem to be effective."

Civil injunctions were first filed against gang members in the 1980s in the Los
Angeles area, a breeding ground for gangs including some of the country's most
notorious, such as the Crips and 18th Street.

The Los Angeles city attorney's suit in 1987 against the Playboy Gangster Crips
covered the entire city but was scaled back after a judge deemed it too broad.

Chicago tried to target gangs by enacting an anti-loitering ordinance in 1992 but the
U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 1999, saying it gave police the authority to
arrest without cause.

Since then, cities have used injunctions to target specific gangs or gang members,
and so far that strategy has withstood court challenges.

Los Angeles now has 33 permanent injunctions involving 50 gangs, and studies have
shown they do reduce crime, said Jonathan Diamond, a spokesman for the Los Angeles
City Attorney's Office.

The injunctions prohibit gang members from associating with each other, carrying
weapons, possessing drugs, committing crimes and displaying gang symbols in a safety
zone
 
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...

When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting illegal
alien gang members?.....AAC


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Cities sue gangs in bid to stop violence By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer
Sun Jul 29, 1:50 PM ET

FORT WORTH, Texas - Fed up with deadly drive-by shootings, incessant drug dealing and
graffiti, cities nationwide are trying a different tactic to combat gangs: They're
suing them.

Fort Worth and San Francisco are among the latest to file lawsuits against gang
members, asking courts for injunctions barring them from hanging out together on
street corners, in cars or anywhere else in certain areas.

The injunctions are aimed at disrupting gang activity before it can escalate. They
also give police legal reasons to stop and question gang members, who often are found
with drugs or weapons, authorities said. In some cases, they don't allow gang members
to even talk to people passing in cars or to carry spray paint.

"It is another tool," said Kevin Rousseau, a Tarrant County assistant prosecutor in
Fort Worth, which recently filed its first civil injunction against a gang. "This is
more of a proactive approach."

But critics say such lawsuits go too far, limiting otherwise lawful activities and
unfairly targeting minority youth.

"If you're barring people from talking in the streets, it's difficult to tell if
they're gang members or if they're people discussing issues," said Peter Bibring, an
attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California. "And it's
all the more troubling because it doesn't seem to be effective."

Civil injunctions were first filed against gang members in the 1980s in the Los
Angeles area, a breeding ground for gangs including some of the country's most
notorious, such as the Crips and 18th Street.

The Los Angeles city attorney's suit in 1987 against the Playboy Gangster Crips
covered the entire city but was scaled back after a judge deemed it too broad.

Chicago tried to target gangs by enacting an anti-loitering ordinance in 1992 but the
U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 1999, saying it gave police the authority to
arrest without cause.

Since then, cities have used injunctions to target specific gangs or gang members,
and so far that strategy has withstood court challenges.

Los Angeles now has 33 permanent injunctions involving 50 gangs, and studies have
shown they do reduce crime, said Jonathan Diamond, a spokesman for the Los Angeles
City Attorney's Office.

The injunctions prohibit gang members from associating with each other, carrying
weapons, possessing drugs, committing crimes and displaying gang symbols in a safety
zone - neighborhoods where suspected gang members live and are most active. Some
injunctions set curfews for members and ban them from possessing alcohol in public
areas - even if they're of legal drinking age.

Those who disobey the order face a misdemeanor charge and up to a year in jail.
Prosecutors say the possibility of a jail stay - however short - is a strong
deterrent, even for gang members who've already served hard time for other crimes.

"Seven months in jail is a big penalty for sitting on the front porch or riding in
the car with your gang buddies," said Kinley Hegglund, senior assistant city attorney
for Wichita Falls.

Last summer, Wichita Falls sued 15 members of the Varrio Carnales gang after
escalating violence with a rival gang, including about 50 drive-by shootings in less
than a year in that North Texas city of 100,000.

Since then, crime has dropped about 13 percent in the safety zone and real estate
values are climbing, Hegglund said.

Other cities hope for similar results.

San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera sued four gangs in June after an
"explosion" in gang violence, seven months after filing the city's first gang-related
civil injunction.

Fort Worth sued 10 members of the Northcide Four Trey Gangsta Crips in May after two
gang members were killed in escalating violence, said Assistant City Attorney Chris
Mosley.

"Our hope is that these defendants will be scared into compliance just by having
these injunctions against them," Mosley said.

However, some former gang members say such legal maneuvers wouldn't have stopped
them.

Usamah Anderson, 30, of Fort Worth, said he began stealing cars and got involved with
gangs as a homeless 11-year-old. He was arrested numerous times for theft and spent
time in juvenile facilities.

Anderson says if a civil injunction had been in place then, he and his friends would
have simply moved outside the safety zone.

"That's the life you live, so you're going to find a way to maneuver around it," said
Anderson, a truck driver who abandoned the gang life about seven years ago and has
started a church to help young gang members.

The ACLU and other critics of gang injunctions favor community programs. The Rev.
Jack Crane, pastor of Truevine Missionary Baptist Church in Fort Worth, is helping
Anderson's group provide gang members with counseling, shoes and other resources
needed to help them escape that life.

"We don't want to lose another generation," Crane said.

Some residents in the Fort Worth safety zone say they feel better with the injunction
in place.

Phoebe Picazo, who recently moved to the city to care for her elderly parents, said
she hears gunfire almost every night.

"This has always been a quiet community with a lot of seniors, but now we're having
to keep our doors locked," Picazo said. "With the injunction, I feel better for my
folks."


Where I live it is illegal to gather with more than 6 people.It is considered a gang. Not that they enforce it but they could I guess.
 
When government (at all levels) has a few extra bucks to chip in and
set up an idiotic program in a futile attempt to address the problem
(that is, after it become unsolvable), deploys it, and when it proves
to be a total failure, they blame the illegal problem on a host of
unrelated issues. Soon thereafter, when the public is completely
confused about the original issue, very easy to do, they ink and pass
a law that will entail rounding up illegals and deporting them. So
soon as the CLU catches wind of it, they scream and start sounding off
the warning bells and all the left wing loonies come out of the
woodwork, in full force, protesting the despicable, unfair law.
Later, it is overturned and the news media gets word of it, they
create a newer version of the same issue all over again. Then the
same bunch of worthless, know-nothing/do-nothing politicians seeking
re-election "demand action"make more promises about "fixing" the
problem. After they are re-elected and their wallets filled, they do
a reality reboot and the the same **** runs all over again--except
this with fancy running boards and tail fins left over from their re-
election campaign (Try and look at the process in the same light as
software upgrades)

But how is it financed? Now this is the tricky part... if it's a
demo'rat you can count on your taxes going up and be assured that
nothing gets done. If it's a republiscum behind it, they will fund
the program with a tax cut and be assured that nothing will get done--
and the next administration will be left holding the bag.

It's called business as usual in Washington DC.






On Jul 29, 7:03 pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting illegal
> alien gang members?.....AAC
 
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...
>
> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting
> illegal
> alien gang members?.....AAC
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Cities sue gangs in bid to stop violence By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated
> Press Writer
> Sun Jul 29, 1:50 PM ET
>
> FORT WORTH, Texas - Fed up with deadly drive-by shootings, incessant drug
> dealing and
> graffiti, cities nationwide are trying a different tactic to combat gangs:
> They're
> suing them.
>
> Fort Worth and San Francisco are among the latest to file lawsuits against
> gang
> members, asking courts for injunctions barring them from hanging out
> together on
> street corners, in cars or anywhere else in certain areas.
>
> The injunctions are aimed at disrupting gang activity before it can
> escalate. They
> also give police legal reasons to stop and question gang members, who
> often are found
> with drugs or weapons, authorities said. In some cases, they don't allow
> gang members
> to even talk to people passing in cars or to carry spray paint.
>
> "It is another tool," said Kevin Rousseau, a Tarrant County assistant
> prosecutor in
> Fort Worth, which recently filed its first civil injunction against a
> gang. "This is
> more of a proactive approach."
>
> But critics say such lawsuits go too far, limiting otherwise lawful
> activities and
> unfairly targeting minority youth.
>
> "If you're barring people from talking in the streets, it's difficult to
> tell if
> they're gang members or if they're people discussing issues," said Peter
> Bibring, an
> attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.
> "And it's
> all the more troubling because it doesn't seem to be effective."
>
> Civil injunctions were first filed against gang members in the 1980s in
> the Los
> Angeles area, a breeding ground for gangs including some of the country's
> most
> notorious, such as the Crips and 18th Street.
>
> The Los Angeles city attorney's suit in 1987 against the Playboy Gangster
> Crips
> covered the entire city but was scaled back after a judge deemed it too
> broad.
>
> Chicago tried to target gangs by enacting an anti-loitering ordinance in
> 1992 but the
> U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 1999, saying it gave police the
> authority to
> arrest without cause.
>
> Since then, cities have used injunctions to target specific gangs or gang
> members,
> and so far that strategy has withstood court challenges.
>
> Los Angeles now has 33 permanent injunctions involving 50 gangs, and
> studies have
> shown they do reduce crime, said Jonathan Diamond, a spokesman for the Los
> Angeles
> City Attorney's Office.
>
> The injunctions prohibit gang members from associating with each other,
> carrying
> weapons, possessing drugs, committing crimes and displaying gang symbols
> in a safety
> zone - neighborhoods where suspected gang members live and are most
> active. Some
> injunctions set curfews for members and ban them from possessing alcohol
> in public
> areas - even if they're of legal drinking age.
>
> Those who disobey the order face a misdemeanor charge and up to a year in
> jail.
> Prosecutors say the possibility of a jail stay - however short - is a
> strong
> deterrent, even for gang members who've already served hard time for other
> crimes.
>
> "Seven months in jail is a big penalty for sitting on the front porch or
> riding in
> the car with your gang buddies," said Kinley Hegglund, senior assistant
> city attorney
> for Wichita Falls.
>
> Last summer, Wichita Falls sued 15 members of the Varrio Carnales gang
> after
> escalating violence with a rival gang, including about 50 drive-by
> shootings in less
> than a year in that North Texas city of 100,000.
>
> Since then, crime has dropped about 13 percent in the safety zone and real
> estate
> values are climbing, Hegglund said.
>
> Other cities hope for similar results.
>
> San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera sued four gangs in June after
> an
> "explosion" in gang violence, seven months after filing the city's first
> gang-related
> civil injunction.
>
> Fort Worth sued 10 members of the Northcide Four Trey Gangsta Crips in May
> after two
> gang members were killed in escalating violence, said Assistant City
> Attorney Chris
> Mosley.
>
> "Our hope is that these defendants will be scared into compliance just by
> having
> these injunctions against them," Mosley said.
>
> However, some former gang members say such legal maneuvers wouldn't have
> stopped
> them.
>
> Usamah Anderson, 30, of Fort Worth, said he began stealing cars and got
> involved with
> gangs as a homeless 11-year-old. He was arrested numerous times for theft
> and spent
> time in juvenile facilities.
>
> Anderson says if a civil injunction had been in place then, he and his
> friends would
> have simply moved outside the safety zone.
>
> "That's the life you live, so you're going to find a way to maneuver
> around it," said
> Anderson, a truck driver who abandoned the gang life about seven years ago
> and has
> started a church to help young gang members.
>
> The ACLU and other critics of gang injunctions favor community programs.
> The Rev.
> Jack Crane, pastor of Truevine Missionary Baptist Church in Fort Worth, is
> helping
> Anderson's group provide gang members with counseling, shoes and other
> resources
> needed to help them escape that life.
>
> "We don't want to lose another generation," Crane said.
>
> Some residents in the Fort Worth safety zone say they feel better with the
> injunction
> in place.
>
> Phoebe Picazo, who recently moved to the city to care for her elderly
> parents, said
> she hears gunfire almost every night.
>
> "This has always been a quiet community with a lot of seniors, but now
> we're having
> to keep our doors locked," Picazo said. "With the injunction, I feel
> better for my
> folks."


Wonder if that would work with the cult "White House" gang?!?!?!?


>
 
"And it's all the more troubling because it doesn't seem to be effective."


"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...
>
> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting
> illegal
> alien gang members?.....AAC
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Cities sue gangs in bid to stop violence By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated
> Press Writer
> Sun Jul 29, 1:50 PM ET
>
> FORT WORTH, Texas - Fed up with deadly drive-by shootings, incessant drug
> dealing and
> graffiti, cities nationwide are trying a different tactic to combat gangs:
> They're
> suing them.
>
> Fort Worth and San Francisco are among the latest to file lawsuits against
> gang
> members, asking courts for injunctions barring them from hanging out
> together on
> street corners, in cars or anywhere else in certain areas.
>
> The injunctions are aimed at disrupting gang activity before it can
> escalate. They
> also give police legal reasons to stop and question gang members, who
> often are found
> with drugs or weapons, authorities said. In some cases, they don't allow
> gang members
> to even talk to people passing in cars or to carry spray paint.
>
> "It is another tool," said Kevin Rousseau, a Tarrant County assistant
> prosecutor in
> Fort Worth, which recently filed its first civil injunction against a
> gang. "This is
> more of a proactive approach."
>
> But critics say such lawsuits go too far, limiting otherwise lawful
> activities and
> unfairly targeting minority youth.
>
> "If you're barring people from talking in the streets, it's difficult to
> tell if
> they're gang members or if they're people discussing issues," said Peter
> Bibring, an
> attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.
> "And it's
> all the more troubling because it doesn't seem to be effective."
>
> Civil injunctions were first filed against gang members in the 1980s in
> the Los
> Angeles area, a breeding ground for gangs including some of the country's
> most
> notorious, such as the Crips and 18th Street.
>
> The Los Angeles city attorney's suit in 1987 against the Playboy Gangster
> Crips
> covered the entire city but was scaled back after a judge deemed it too
> broad.
>
> Chicago tried to target gangs by enacting an anti-loitering ordinance in
> 1992 but the
> U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 1999, saying it gave police the
> authority to
> arrest without cause.
>
> Since then, cities have used injunctions to target specific gangs or gang
> members,
> and so far that strategy has withstood court challenges.
>
> Los Angeles now has 33 permanent injunctions involving 50 gangs, and
> studies have
> shown they do reduce crime, said Jonathan Diamond, a spokesman for the Los
> Angeles
> City Attorney's Office.
>
> The injunctions prohibit gang members from associating with each other,
> carrying
> weapons, possessing drugs, committing crimes and displaying gang symbols
> in a safety
> zone - neighborhoods where suspected gang members live and are most
> active. Some
> injunctions set curfews for members and ban them from possessing alcohol
> in public
> areas - even if they're of legal drinking age.
>
> Those who disobey the order face a misdemeanor charge and up to a year in
> jail.
> Prosecutors say the possibility of a jail stay - however short - is a
> strong
> deterrent, even for gang members who've already served hard time for other
> crimes.
>
> "Seven months in jail is a big penalty for sitting on the front porch or
> riding in
> the car with your gang buddies," said Kinley Hegglund, senior assistant
> city attorney
> for Wichita Falls.
>
> Last summer, Wichita Falls sued 15 members of the Varrio Carnales gang
> after
> escalating violence with a rival gang, including about 50 drive-by
> shootings in less
> than a year in that North Texas city of 100,000.
>
> Since then, crime has dropped about 13 percent in the safety zone and real
> estate
> values are climbing, Hegglund said.
>
> Other cities hope for similar results.
>
> San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera sued four gangs in June after
> an
> "explosion" in gang violence, seven months after filing the city's first
> gang-related
> civil injunction.
>
> Fort Worth sued 10 members of the Northcide Four Trey Gangsta Crips in May
> after two
> gang members were killed in escalating violence, said Assistant City
> Attorney Chris
> Mosley.
>
> "Our hope is that these defendants will be scared into compliance just by
> having
> these injunctions against them," Mosley said.
>
> However, some former gang members say such legal maneuvers wouldn't have
> stopped
> them.
>
> Usamah Anderson, 30, of Fort Worth, said he began stealing cars and got
> involved with
> gangs as a homeless 11-year-old. He was arrested numerous times for theft
> and spent
> time in juvenile facilities.
>
> Anderson says if a civil injunction had been in place then, he and his
> friends would
> have simply moved outside the safety zone.
>
> "That's the life you live, so you're going to find a way to maneuver
> around it," said
> Anderson, a truck driver who abandoned the gang life about seven years ago
> and has
> started a church to help young gang members.
>
> The ACLU and other critics of gang injunctions favor community programs.
> The Rev.
> Jack Crane, pastor of Truevine Missionary Baptist Church in Fort Worth, is
> helping
> Anderson's group provide gang members with counseling, shoes and other
> resources
> needed to help them escape that life.
>
> "We don't want to lose another generation," Crane said.
>
> Some residents in the Fort Worth safety zone say they feel better with the
> injunction
> in place.
>
> Phoebe Picazo, who recently moved to the city to care for her elderly
> parents, said
> she hears gunfire almost every night.
>
> "This has always been a quiet community with a lot of seniors, but now
> we're having
> to keep our doors locked," Picazo said. "With the injunction, I feel
> better for my
> folks."
>
 
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...
> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting
> illegal
> alien gang members?.....AAC


When we get more Republicans in the Senate.
 
"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message news:46adf698$0$8971$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting
> illegal
> alien gang members?.....AAC


When we get more Republicans in the Senate.


As soon as some illegals rape and kill a relative of Kennedy.
 
In alt.politics.immigration Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:
> > When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting
> > illegal
> > alien gang members?.....AAC


> When we get more Republicans in the Senate.


No new laws are needed, the ones we have should work just fine.


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"RadicalModerate" <radicalmoderate@attnn.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.politics.immigration Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:
>> > When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and
>> > deporting
>> > illegal
>> > alien gang members?.....AAC

>> When we get more Republicans in the Senate.

> No new laws are needed, the ones we have should work just fine.


Ordinarily I'd agree with you but we need to be able to quickly do something
very painful to the Sanctuary City mayors, police chiefs, and other elected
and appointed officials who are publically attacking America.
 
In alt.politics.immigration Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:

> Ordinarily I'd agree with you but we need to be able to quickly do something
> very painful to the Sanctuary City mayors, police chiefs, and other elected
> and appointed officials who are publically attacking America.


I think conspiracy indictments would be painful enough.
A good start would be when a mayor declares a city to be a sanctuary for
illegal aliens, a BICE strike team comes to town.

However the root cause is the Executive Branch is failing in its duty to
uphold the law.

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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:51:02 +0000 (UTC), radicalmoderate@attnn.com (RadicalModerate)
wrote:

>However the root cause is the Executive Branch is failing in its duty to
>uphold the law.


Yes and I don't see anybody who stands a chance of being elected in 2008 being any
different.....unfortunately.....AAC
 
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:32:39 -0400, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...
>> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting
>> illegal
>> alien gang members?.....AAC

>
>When we get more Republicans in the Senate.


....yes, and in the House too.....AAC
 
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:nlssa3hqkae0tmilpe4lqqupo8n4qofmo6@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:32:39 -0400, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...
>> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting
>> illegal
>> alien gang members?.....AAC

>
>When we get more Republicans in the Senate.


...yes, and in the House too.....AAC

Just what we need , another Bush. I say we elect a chimp to office and let him pass laws by throwing **** at bills on a wall. This would give us a better chance of getting something done right.
 
"RadicalModerate" <radicalmoderate@attnn.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.politics.immigration Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:
>> Ordinarily I'd agree with you but we need to be able to quickly do
>> something
>> very painful to the Sanctuary City mayors, police chiefs, and other
>> elected
>> and appointed officials who are publically attacking America.

> I think conspiracy indictments would be painful enough.
> A good start would be when a mayor declares a city to be a sanctuary for
> illegal aliens, a BICE strike team comes to town.


Works for me...

It'll only take one Mayor doing the Perp Walk in cuffs to start changing
things.

> However the root cause is the Executive Branch is failing in its duty to
> uphold the law.


Sure, can't argue that.
 
Patriot Games wrote:
> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...
>> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and
>> deporting illegal
>> alien gang members?.....AAC

>
> When we get more Republicans in the Senate.
>


Certain Republicans like John Warner support the illegal
alien invasion. Quietly of course.

The abdication of constitutional obligations to protect
the borders is a bi-partisan effort.


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"strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message
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> Patriot Games wrote:
>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...
>>> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and
>>> deporting illegal
>>> alien gang members?.....AAC

>> When we get more Republicans in the Senate.

> Certain Republicans like John Warner support the illegal
> alien invasion. Quietly of course.


And we need to get rid of them.

> The abdication of constitutional obligations to protect
> the borders is a bi-partisan effort.


Bi-partisan but far more on the Dem side....
 
In alt.politics.immigration Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:

> Bi-partisan but far more on the Dem side....

Indeed there are more D's than R's in the Open Border Lobby.

However we have a globalist disguised at a Republican as the entity which
has the authority to put a crimp into illegal entry into the USA but
to date has only done "feel good" things which are a day late and a dollar
short.

Things like bollard vehicle barriers without concrete/rebar filling
for example. 10 minutes with a cutting torch and they're history.

Not to mention allowing the prosecution of law enforcement officers
who are actually doing their jobs.

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On Jul 29, 4:18 pm, "Whites Right" <whitesri...@usa.com> wrote:
> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:f27qa3docn148lliar66ml0d63ruvjf7ko@4ax.com...
>
> When is congress going to pass specific laws for rounding up and deporting illegal
> alien gang members?.....AAC
>
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:20:06 -0400, "Patriot Games"
<Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>> The abdication of constitutional obligations to protect
>> the borders is a bi-partisan effort.

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>Bi-partisan but far more on the Dem side....


It wouldn't be an issue if anglos had been willing to assimilate this
immigrant population as quickly as possible and the INS had more
appropriate legal immigration standards.

Swill
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:22:12 +0000 (UTC), radicalmoderate@attnn.com
(RadicalModerate) wrote:

>In alt.politics.immigration Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:
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>> Bi-partisan but far more on the Dem side....

>Indeed there are more D's than R's in the Open Border Lobby.
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>However we have a globalist disguised at a Republican as the entity which
>has the authority to put a crimp into illegal entry into the USA but
>to date has only done "feel good" things which are a day late and a dollar
>short.


And who gave us ample warning of that tendency while Governor of Texas
and also in speech during his campaign for President. But the west
still votes for him.

Swill
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