Climate change puts human survival at risk

From The Star Tribune, 10/25/07:

http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1509120.html

Climate change puts human survival at risk

The U.N.'s most comprehensive study ever on the environment includes

an urgent call for global action.

By Kim Chipman, Bloomberg News

Climate change, species extinctions and a growing human population

living beyond its environmental means are putting the global economy

and even the survival of mankind at risk, according to a new U.N.

study.

Other problems, driven by increasing human population and a widening

wealth gap, include declining fish stocks, loss of fertile land and

dwindling amounts of fresh water, the 540-page report said.

It also warns that environmental damage may pass "points of no

return."

Human activity has reached an unsustainable level, outstripping

available resources, the report said.

"The bill we hand on to our children may prove impossible to pay,"

said Achim Steiner, executive director of the U.N. Environment

Programme.

U.N. officials said the report isn't intended to portray merely a grim

scenario, it's also an "urgent call for action."

On climate change, the study says the need to combat increasing

temperatures and sea levels is a "global priority" requiring "large"

reductions in greenhouse gases by mid-century.

Most comprehensive study

While the report -- prepared by about 390 scientists worldwide and

reviewed by 1,000 others -- says there's an urgent need for political

leadership on climate change, it contends that so far there is a

"remarkable lack of urgency" and a "woefully inadequate" global

response.

It also says "several highly polluting countries" have refused to

ratify the Kyoto Protocol, a global treaty for cutting global warming

pollution.

The United States, the world's biggest emitter of greenhouse gases,

has declined to join the accord, arguing it would harm the economy.

President Bush also has said that developing countries such as China

and India that are exempt from making cuts under the treaty should be

required to do so.

The United Nations says the study is its most comprehensive ever on

the environment.

It comes 20 years after a commission headed by former Norwegian Prime

Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland published "Our Common Future," a

landmark report calling for sustainable development.

In related news:

Almost a third of all apes, monkeys and other primates are in danger

of extinction because of rampant habitat destruction, commercial sale

of their meat and the trade in illegal wildlife, a report released

today said.

Of the world's 394 primate species, 114 are classified as threatened

with extinction by the World Conservation Union.

The report by Conservation International and the International

Primatological Society in Hainan, China, focuses on the plight of the

25 most endangered primates, including China's Hainan gibbon, of which

only 17 remain.

Russell Mittermeier, president of Conservation International, said,

"You could fit all the surviving members of the 25 species in a single

football stadium; that's how few of them remain on Earth today."

____________________________________________________

It doesn't take much intelligence to understand the meaning of this

report.

Harry

The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:10:17 -0700, spammer <serebel1@yahoo.com>

wrote:

>The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

Speaking of idiots, do you get paid to argue that industrialists have

the right to soil your nest?

Thought not.

--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

"I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has

become. I just can

"spammer" <serebel1@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1193368217.219484.307510@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

Yer right. Idiots like Bush's appointees. Bolton, heeyuck, heeyuck,

heeyuck.

On Oct 25, 11:39 pm, 3831 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:10:17 -0700, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:

>

> >The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

> >take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>

> Speaking of idiots, do you get paid to argue that industrialists have

> the right to soil your nest?

>

> Thought not.

> --

>

You really shouldn't try to think, you're not good at it.

>> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>

> Yer right. Idiots like Bush's appointees. Bolton, heeyuck, heeyuck,

> heeyuck.

Oh, and then when our great peaceful nation is _forced_ by evil doers in

other countries to go to war, they actually think they can vote against us!

They take the terr'ist's sides!

--

Phlip

>> Speaking of idiots, do you get paid to argue that industrialists have

>> the right to soil your nest?

>>

>> Thought not.

> You really shouldn't try to think, you're not good at it.

I have some extra garbage this week. Where do you live? I want to dump it on

your lawn, okay?

Oh, and also I'm a big corporation. That should turn you on.

--

Phlip

"Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:5oidnbE1Du838bzanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@adelphia.com...

>>> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>>> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>>

>> Yer right. Idiots like Bush's appointees. Bolton, heeyuck, heeyuck,

>> heeyuck.

>

> Oh, and then when our great peaceful nation is _forced_ by evil doers in

> other countries to go to war, they actually think they can vote against

> us!

> They take the terr'ist's sides!

>

> --

> Phlip

Bush supporters on parade;

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk_1925.jpg

In article <1193368217.219484.307510@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, serebel1@yahoo.com says...

> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>

>

All the other climate scientists in the world are idiots too, I suppose.

Seriously, get a reality check.

--

Hate Greed Death Bush

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:39:47 GMT, 3831 Dead

<zepp22113831@finestplanet.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:10:17 -0700, spammer <serebel1@yahoo.com>

>wrote:

>

>>The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>>take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>

>Speaking of idiots, do you get paid to argue that industrialists have

>the right to soil your nest?

Zepp's nest is soiled?

>Thought not.

"Yes, Atkins works extremely well. I've lost 75 pounds."

-Zepp Jamieson 06 Jan 2004

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=h8vmvvsa8hl5sh9qgpt9r4gop9j3ms2gq3%404ax.com

"[...] Zepp is my middle name, and I weigh 237."

-Zepp Jamieson 2004-06-30

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q327e0lto1kpfk6e5cst57ob60fbomu037%404ax.com

note: 237 + 75 = 312;

Harry Hope wrote:

> From The Star Tribune, 10/25/07:

> http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1509120.html

> It doesn't take much intelligence to understand the meaning of this

> report.

Yes, it's worthless.

David Hartung <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote in

news:rNGdnak17PabRbzanZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@comcast.com:

> Harry Hope wrote:

>> From The Star Tribune, 10/25/07:

>> http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1509120.html

>

>> It doesn't take much intelligence to understand the meaning of this

>> report.

>

> Yes, it's worthless.

Have you run that past the "Commander Guy"?

"I recognise the surface of the earth is warmer and

that an increase in greenhouse gases caused by humans

is contributing to the problem"

George Bush, July 7 2005

spammer <serebel1@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1193372735.493251.114370@

50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 25, 11:39 pm, 3831 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:

>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:10:17 -0700, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> >The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>> >take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>>

>> Speaking of idiots, do you get paid to argue that industrialists have

>> the right to soil your nest?

>>

>> Thought not.

>> --

>>

>

>

> You really shouldn't try to think, you're not good at it.

>

>

Judging by your comments, you'r incabable of it.

On Oct 25, 8:10 pm, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

Who would take Bush, Cheney, and any of Bush's administrations goons

serious, such as Bolton, serious after all of the lies they've told?

I won't say idiots because that's too simplistic. There are two

prominent types: fools and villains.

The fools are those who either refuse to learn the truth or ignore the

truth out of some twisted need for their "side" to be right, as if

this were a football game.

The villains know the truth and accepted because the outcome of all of

Bush's wrongdoings are exactly what these people want. They are

willing to sacrifice the many so that the few can have more. More

wealth, more power, more everything.

In article <1193372735.493251.114370@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,

serebel1@yahoo.com says...

>

>

>On Oct 25, 11:39 pm, 3831 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:

>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:10:17 -0700, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> >The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>> >take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>>

>> Speaking of idiots, do you get paid to argue that industrialists have

>> the right to soil your nest?

>>

>> Thought not.

>> --

>>

>

>

> You really shouldn't try to think, you're not good at it.

>

He does it a lot better than you do. What's your problem with the UN?

On Oct 25, 11:51 pm, Neocon Oil Cheerleaders <n...@spamm.com> wrote:

> In article <1193368217.219484.307...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, sereb...@yahoo.com says...> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

> > take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>

> All the other climate scientists in the world are idiots too, I suppose.

> Seriously, get a reality check.

Hate to break it to you, bub, but 'All the other climate scientists in

the world' do not support the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Your so-called 'scientific consensus' is a myth that has been

debunked.

So, please quit claiming that "All the climate scientist" support your

bullshit theories. That statement is demonstratably false.

Yol Bolsun,

Grendel.

"When you get to the edges of knowledge, be careful where you step.

That's where the bullshit is deepest."-Solomon Short.

In article <MPG.218b1224b733838e989deb@newsgroups.comcast.net>, no@spamm.com

says...

>

>

>In article <1193368217.219484.307510@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

serebel1@yahoo.com says...

>> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>>

>>

>All the other climate scientists in the world are idiots too, I suppose.

>Seriously, get a reality check.

>

>

Ya know, when I go to the doctor with some problem or other and he says I have

such and such and the prognosis is thus and so, I tend to believe him. He's

the expert. I am not. If I am really upset or think maybe the doc is a quack,

I may seek another opinion. If that confirms the first one, I accept the

diagnosis and get on about doing something about it. But if I am really

bull-headed and really, really don't want to believe what the two doctors

said, I will go to a third, and a fourth, ad infinitum, until I get one quack

who agrees with me that all the others are wrong.

And so it is with global warming. I am not going to argue with many thousands

of highly qualified people who tell me it is for real. They are the experts. I

am not. Their repoprts and prognoses are carefully prepared and suitably

hedged. Sure, the occasional well-paid contrarian can be found. But no more

than the Xth doctor who contradicts all those who have gone before does that

contrarian have any credibility.

Now, excuse me while I buy up some land on Hudson's Bay where I plan to build

a winter/summer resort where you may bathe nude in the sea under the nortrhern

lights. Umpteen thousand climatologists aren't wrong.

On Oct 25, 11:36 pm, "BUSH TO CHOKE TODAY" <O'Rei...@WH.net> wrote:

> "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:5oidnbE1Du838bzanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@adelphia.com...

>

> >>> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

> >>> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>

> >> Yer right. Idiots like Bush's appointees. Bolton, heeyuck, heeyuck,

> >> heeyuck.

>

> > Oh, and then when our great peaceful nation is _forced_ by evil doers in

> > other countries to go to war, they actually think they can vote against

> > us!

> > They take the terr'ist's sides!

>

> > --

> > Phlip

>

> Bush supporters on parade;http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk_1925.jpg

And the Senator who was voted Exalted Cyclops of the KKK would be

gasp a DEMOCRAT?!?!? (Sen. Robert Byrd)

How could this be?

Yol Bolsun,

Grendel.

"Have all the opinions you want. They're free. Just don't confuse

them with reality."-Solomon Short.

On Oct 25, 10:56?pm, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> From The Star Tribune, 10/25/07:http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1509120.html

>

> Climate change puts human survival at risk

>

Actually the world faces much bigger problems that climate control and

in the long run, global warming my be good for us. You see, we wont

have much fuel to heat our homes with, so at least we wont freeze to

death as much in a warmer climate.

But, lets address the real disease the world faces and not get stuck

on the symptom of that diseases aka global warming.

It seems everyone wishes to hide their heads in the sand when it comes

to this subject of peak oil. We can't depend on the President to come

clean with the public. All his energies are spent just trying to keep

the oil flowing. He can't admit that the oil will stop in the not so

distant future, no matter what we do. It is a problem beyond his as

well as all of our control.

As they say in 12 Step programs - admitting you have a problem is step

1. And our country cannot admit it, after all, admitting this problem

would raise hell with our retirement funds. And until we can admit it,

we cannot begin on our long road to a 'semblance' of recovery.

And in the big picture, we can't fix the problem, we can only postpone

the inevitable. But buying a little more time would make things much

more livable in the not so distant future than the current path we are

headed in.

The world is in a death spiral and politicians as well as industry are

pretending this problem does not exist. We can only blame ourselves,

for it is just how we have built our world over the years....too many

people, living outside of natures intended balance and not an infinite

supply of energy to fuel all our demands.

It would be one thing if we all reverted back to rural living, burning

trees for fuel and housing and living within our comfortable means

allotted to us by nature, as our ancestors did back in the day. But

ten billion people can't burn the trees! (Ten billion people is a

conservative estimate of world population in the not so distant

future. We are at 7 people billion now.)

The World Coal Institute estimates world energy reserves as follows:

"At current production levels coal will be available for at least the

next 155 years compared to 41 years for oil and 65 years for gas."

http://www.worldcoal.org/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=21

Even though this was written a few years ago and it is based on

'current production and consumption' it gives the same haunting

message to the generations to come.

We may not exactly see the end of our free flowing energy as we know

it - but some of our descendants will in the not so distant future.

This is the legacy they will inherit from us. But before the energy

dries up completely massive changes in our world will have taken

place.

Our population has grown to levels where it has passed the point of no

return for supporting a sustainable human population as we know it

today when it comes to their energy demands.

And leading the pack of over consumers is the USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption

Consumption is ingrained in us and we know no other way. And even if

we wished to amend our ways, how could all our retirement funds take

the hit? America is built on borrowed money, spending and consumerism.

And what does all that consumerism lead to?

It leads to the mess we are in now and the bigger mess the world will

be in once India and China pick up momentum to copycat the envious

lifestyle that they have held in high esteem as the 'American Dream'

You see, the problem is not with the earth having enough land for all

its people - the problem is with earth providing ad infinitum for all

the needs the people crave.

The more people born, the more heat is produced from their life and

all their cravings, As such, the warmer and more polluted the earth

gets and the more energy they all use and the earths resources are

depleted.

Fueling the problem of consumption is the games the Federal and World

banks play with interest rates. They manage the economies in ways to

fuel consumption and mask the real trend. Witness the recent cries for

Federal bankers to lower interest rates...so the stock market can go

up...fueled by spending of the consumer.

It is drug habit that Greenspan got us hooked on and we just can't get

away from.

Our economy is not based on sustainable health - it is based low

interest credit to encourage compulsive spending, debt and living a

life of constant consumption with a 'disposable mentality' when it

comes to durable goods.

All this consumption to artificially fuel our economy to make our

retirement funds only go up contributes to more and more global

warming and the depletion of our natural resources. Then the

governments juggle the numbers to make the inflation figures seem

artificially low, so everyone's retirement portfolio will make them

happy so they will continue to buy and consume more...and on it

goes....IT IS ALL WE KNOW

You see, no other animal destroys its environment except mankind. We

are the only ones that do not accept and live within our comfortable

means. We not only debt with our finances we debt with our

environment. What we are borrowing in terms of petroleum, coal and

natural gas takes millions of years for nature to make. Yet we are

using it all up in just a few hundred years...we can never pay it

back.

I think our countries future will be....'America...a Democratic,

Communist Nation Under God.'

And maybe I am using the wrong word with communism? Maybe it should be

Nationalism? Socialism? I don't know since I have little interest in

politics.

As far for what I means, it could be compared somewhat to Plato's

Republic. Where the republic came first and people came second. But

with the US, the injection of Democratic values as well as a spiritual

foundation that supports our country would 'hopefully' separate us

from the atheist based communists that have been run as

dictatorships.

Without energy our country is open for takeover ... no jets...no

tanks...no transport on the ground or in the air. Luckily we will

still have nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers as long as

the uranium holds out. But the jets on the flattop all use jet fuel.

All the supplies for those subs and carriers petroleum dependent. So

long before the crude dries up the government must 'secure a supply'

of crude for it own needs.

Other countries such as Russia that have a good supply of crude may

not be so kind to keep on selling it to us and we need a 'local and

continual' source somewhat within our borders. You see, jet fuel as

well as gasoline deteriorates and cannot be stored indefinitely. So we

must always be producing some of it to replace the stale stuff to

supply the military. But, that's why we elect politicians to deal with

these troubles

As our world changes and our drug supply dries up, things will only

get worse. And the bigger the city - the bigger the hellhole it will

become. And this time RIGHT NOW is the defining moment as to whether

most of our population will die off or not in the crisis that awaits

us in the not so distant future.

When it comes to the future, I see people living in miniature houses

(the lucky ones that survive that is, after all most of the population

died off long ago from starvation, freezing to death or from the

riots) with roofs shingled completely with solar material.

They drive up to their house on an electric scooter that is recharged

from their solar roof. If they are higher up the totem pole they may

have a solar golf cart. But in either case, luck must still be on

their side for without the sun shinning to charge it, their

transportation sits idle. (Not much lead left to build big

batteries...China gobbled it all up, so we have to make due with very

small storage cells.)

They work for the government and in exchange the government feeds and

clothes them from their warehouses. You see, we have become a sort of

'Communist Democracy' for without that bold leap and a desire 'to put

our country first' Russia or China would have stepped in to acquire

some new real estate.

The warehouses are fed from government owned coal fired steam

locomotives. Diesel dried up long ago, so it was either wood or coal

to fuel the trains. It did not take our government long to realize

this. the electric plants only had to shut down sporadically for 8

months so until they could build the first of a large fleet of steam

locomotives.

This was a 'slight' government oversight. They never figured that the

coal fired power plants were fed with 'diesel powered' locatives. They

kept concentrated on the prediction that we had a hundred of years of

coal left, but were oblivious as to how that coal is delivered to the

power plant. But all these changes have some bright spots in them. As

the coal producers were able to hire many more workers to manually

mine coal, as the diesel powered mining equipment sit idle from lack

of diesel fuel.

Now some of the states or bigger cities had the foresight to build one

or two electric rail trolleys for public transport. Your only problem

is getting to the main road to catch the trolley and then it is a

straight ride to the government warehouse.

What happened to Private industry & Money?

Money is nothing more than stored energy. But since the crude dried

up, the 'real energy' behind the money has vanished...and so did

private industry. What about the coal mines...all government owned. If

you want to eat you work..it is that simple.

So, what is money good for nowadays...to wipe your ass?

Not really, the government supplied toilet paper works better than

that.

Martha Stewart syndrome died out long ago, now people are happy to eat

rice and beans and get a clean glass of water to drink.

After all, the government can't afford to fool around decorating

everyone's house, they can hardly produce enough food to keep a

fraction of the population alive. Yes, tractors, reapers and farming

is very crude intensive...but no one bothered to think about that as

they continued to squander the worlds petroleum resources.

On a positive note, since most of the population died off from

'natural causes', the government does not have to worry about passing

'population control' any longer. They tried to get that universally

opposed program passed for many years, but the public just would not

go for it...too UN-American...goes against our religious

upbringings...too controversial and all of the rest. We can still hear

the cries now...Communist!...Atheist!...Baby

Killer....Hitler....Impeach the President!!!!

Such objections are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.

As such, all problems related to 'controversial subjects' such as this

are problems created in the mind...the mind of ego based, prejudicial

man. If you find yourself being distracted with such thoughts as 'too

controversial' just ask yourself if the proposed controversy is true,

false or I don't know?

This introspective method may help you become truth based and not ego

based. You will have made a 'choice divorced of need'...you wont 'need

your ego' to support the truth...the truth will be able to stand on

its own.

But nature helped us humans out with that hard decision - for nature

does not discriminate nor find the truth too controversial or

provocative or opinionated to be true. And in the end, nature settled

the dispute of population control with even handed justice of 75% of

our population dying off, ever reminding us all that nature does not

bow to man...it is always man that bows to nature.

But, people hold no grudges against nature and are more in harmony

with nature and enjoy a simpler life nowadays. People pick pine

needles from trees to make their tea, since there is no jet fuel to

import any Darjeeling tea or coffee. Once in a while people are able

to kill a bird, a rat or cat to supplement their diet - so we still

can find a place of gratitude in our life for such gifts.

Of course one problem still haunts the world?

The last remaining buckets of crude will soon be gone and they have

still not found out how to make the tires for the solar powered golf

carts and scooters without that critical ingredient of crude oil?

Add it all together and you have 'America...a Democratic, Communist

Nation Under God.' as the 'best fit ' equation.

And for dessert add 'politics as usual' and we can see nothing

substantive will be done in the US to fix our energy woes until it is

too late. (Really it can't be fixed, we can only slowed down the

inevitable at this point.)

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

BTW, do I like communism?

No, I like things EXACTLY as they are. But what I like doesn't

matter...neither does what you like matter. That's the point, for the

US to survive, we must put 'what matters to our country' on the front

burner. And as our country survives so do we survive.

Alan Watts used to say, it doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't

matter what you like, it doesn't matter what you hope for...all that

really matters is what IS.

Sure we keep our treasured paper money, our guns, and what have you.

The atheists can still be atheists and the Christians, Muslims and

Jews can still worship as they like...that is why we would be a free

democracy...of sorts.

But the difference is, instead of the ego based decisions that

politicians and the titans of business get sucked into, they will put

the long term viability as top priority over personal profit. We must

all pull together and stop pulling in counterproductive directions.

The gov needs to cut the fat and stop all this foolish sickness that

they are addicted to in Washington. Hire yourself some truth based

philosophers and futurists as Socrates suggested in the Republic as an

oversight committee to keep you guys on track.

One important thing would be to add an addendum to the constitution or

bill of rights or whatever other documents that outlines what we are

'now' all about...something that is clear advice that we can all look

to and not the 1000 page BS that politician use to hide their

sickness.

And yes,...hiding behavior is a signpost of die-ease.

And put it right upfront in the addendum as to why things changed...we

were energy whores and had no other choice.

But realize this, throughout history many great nations that once were

are not around any longer. Hopefully the US will understand this and

start accepting the truth that something has to give and it can't be

business as usual...it doesn't matter what you like...it doesn't

matter what you hope for...all that really matters is what is.

Also See:

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105221

http://www.amazon.com/Out-Gas-End-Age-Oil/dp/0393058573

http://www.amazon.com/Hubberts-Peak-Impending-World-Shortage/dp/0691116253

http://www.lastoilshock.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

http://www.algore.org/forum/al_gore_news_and_events/gores_work_combat_climate_crisis/why_dont_we_do_anything_about_global_

Take care,

V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker

Practical Philosopher

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On Oct 25, 7:56?pm, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> From The Star Tribune, 10/25/07:http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1509120.html

>

> Climate change puts human survival at risk

>

> The U.N.'s most comprehensive study ever on the environment includes

> an urgent call for global action.

>

> By Kim Chipman, Bloomberg News

>

> Climate change, species extinctions and a growing human population

> living beyond its environmental means are putting the global economy

> and even the survival of mankind at risk, according to a new U.N.

> study.

>

> Other problems, driven by increasing human population and a widening

> wealth gap, include declining fish stocks, loss of fertile land and

> dwindling amounts of fresh water, the 540-page report said.

>

> It also warns that environmental damage may pass "points of no

> return."

>

> Human activity has reached an unsustainable level, outstripping

> available resources, the report said.

>

> "The bill we hand on to our children may prove impossible to pay,"

> said Achim Steiner, executive director of the U.N. Environment

> Programme.

>

> U.N. officials said the report isn't intended to portray merely a grim

> scenario, it's also an "urgent call for action."

>

> On climate change, the study says the need to combat increasing

> temperatures and sea levels is a "global priority" requiring "large"

> reductions in greenhouse gases by mid-century.

>

> Most comprehensive study

>

> While the report -- prepared by about 390 scientists worldwide and

> reviewed by 1,000 others -- says there's an urgent need for political

> leadership on climate change, it contends that so far there is a

> "remarkable lack of urgency" and a "woefully inadequate" global

> response.

>

> It also says "several highly polluting countries" have refused to

> ratify the Kyoto Protocol, a global treaty for cutting global warming

> pollution.

>

> The United States, the world's biggest emitter of greenhouse gases,

> has declined to join the accord, arguing it would harm the economy.

>

> President Bush also has said that developing countries such as China

> and India that are exempt from making cuts under the treaty should be

> required to do so.

>

> The United Nations says the study is its most comprehensive ever on

> the environment.

>

> It comes 20 years after a commission headed by former Norwegian Prime

> Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland published "Our Common Future," a

> landmark report calling for sustainable development.

>

> In related news:

>

> Almost a third of all apes, monkeys and other primates are in danger

> of extinction because of rampant habitat destruction, commercial sale

> of their meat and the trade in illegal wildlife, a report released

> today said.

>

> Of the world's 394 primate species, 114 are classified as threatened

> with extinction by the World Conservation Union.

>

> The report by Conservation International and the International

> Primatological Society in Hainan, China, focuses on the plight of the

> 25 most endangered primates, including China's Hainan gibbon, of which

> only 17 remain.

>

> Russell Mittermeier, president of Conservation International, said,

> "You could fit all the surviving members of the 25 species in a single

> football stadium; that's how few of them remain on Earth today."

>

> ____________________________________________________

>

> It doesn't take much intelligence to understand the meaning of this

> report.

>

> Harry

What it doesn't advocate is the only program that would actually

help. We need a massive population control program.

In article <1193410353.662050.198580@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,

wsthomas@bellsouth.net says...

>

>

>On Oct 25, 11:36 pm, "BUSH TO CHOKE TODAY" <O'Rei...@WH.net> wrote:

>> "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:5oidnbE1Du838bzanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@adelphia.com...

>>

>> >>> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>> >>> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>>

>> >> Yer right. Idiots like Bush's appointees. Bolton, heeyuck, heeyuck,

>> >> heeyuck.

>>

>> > Oh, and then when our great peaceful nation is _forced_ by evil doers in

>> > other countries to go to war, they actually think they can vote against

>> > us!

>> > They take the terr'ist's sides!

>>

>> > --

>> > Phlip

>>

>> Bush supporters on

parade;http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk_1925.jpg

>

>And the Senator who was voted Exalted Cyclops of the KKK would be

> gasp a DEMOCRAT?!?!? (Sen. Robert Byrd)

>

>How could this be?

>

Oh dear. The Clinton's penis ploy again.

On Oct 26, 10:34 am, Gogarty <Goga...@Clongowes.edu.ie> wrote:

> In article <1193410353.662050.198...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,

> wstho...@bellsouth.net says...

>

>

>

>

>

> >On Oct 25, 11:36 pm, "BUSH TO CHOKE TODAY" <O'Rei...@WH.net> wrote:

> >> "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:5oidnbE1Du838bzanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@adelphia.com...

>

> >> >>> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

> >> >>> take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>

> >> >> Yer right. Idiots like Bush's appointees. Bolton, heeyuck, heeyuck,

> >> >> heeyuck.

>

> >> > Oh, and then when our great peaceful nation is _forced_ by evil doers in

> >> > other countries to go to war, they actually think they can vote against

> >> > us!

> >> > They take the terr'ist's sides!

>

> >> > --

> >> > Phlip

>

> >> Bush supporters on

>

> parade;http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk_1925.jpg

>

> >And the Senator who was voted Exalted Cyclops of the KKK would be

> > gasp a DEMOCRAT?!?!? (Sen. Robert Byrd)

>

> >How could this be?

>

> Oh dear. The Clinton's penis ploy again.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

So you deny that Byrd is the only known former member of the Klan to

hold a federal office in the United States?

So you deny that Byrd is a democrat?

Yol Bolsun,

Grendel.

"Have all the opinions you want. They're free. Just don't confuse

them with reality."-Solomon Short.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:39:47 GMT, 3831 Dead

<zepp22113831@finestplanet.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:10:17 -0700, spammer <serebel1@yahoo.com>

>wrote:

>

>>The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

>>take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

>

>Speaking of idiots, do you get paid to argue that industrialists have

>the right to soil your nest?

>

>Thought not.

The alternative to industrialization is?

--

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to

escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not

on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away

with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone

are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices

me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette

daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:10:22 -0700, California Poppy

<GoldenStatePoppy@aol.com> wrote:

>On Oct 25, 7:56?pm, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>> From The Star Tribune, 10/25/07:http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1509120.html

>>

>> Climate change puts human survival at risk

>>

>> The U.N.'s most comprehensive study ever on the environment includes

>> an urgent call for global action.

>>

>> By Kim Chipman, Bloomberg News

>>

>> Climate change, species extinctions and a growing human population

>> living beyond its environmental means are putting the global economy

>> and even the survival of mankind at risk, according to a new U.N.

>> study.

>>

>> Other problems, driven by increasing human population and a widening

>> wealth gap, include declining fish stocks, loss of fertile land and

>> dwindling amounts of fresh water, the 540-page report said.

>>

>> It also warns that environmental damage may pass "points of no

>> return."

>>

>> Human activity has reached an unsustainable level, outstripping

>> available resources, the report said.

>>

>> "The bill we hand on to our children may prove impossible to pay,"

>> said Achim Steiner, executive director of the U.N. Environment

>> Programme.

>>

>> U.N. officials said the report isn't intended to portray merely a grim

>> scenario, it's also an "urgent call for action."

>>

>> On climate change, the study says the need to combat increasing

>> temperatures and sea levels is a "global priority" requiring "large"

>> reductions in greenhouse gases by mid-century.

>>

>> Most comprehensive study

>>

>> While the report -- prepared by about 390 scientists worldwide and

>> reviewed by 1,000 others -- says there's an urgent need for political

>> leadership on climate change, it contends that so far there is a

>> "remarkable lack of urgency" and a "woefully inadequate" global

>> response.

>>

>> It also says "several highly polluting countries" have refused to

>> ratify the Kyoto Protocol, a global treaty for cutting global warming

>> pollution.

>>

>> The United States, the world's biggest emitter of greenhouse gases,

>> has declined to join the accord, arguing it would harm the economy.

>>

>> President Bush also has said that developing countries such as China

>> and India that are exempt from making cuts under the treaty should be

>> required to do so.

>>

>> The United Nations says the study is its most comprehensive ever on

>> the environment.

>>

>> It comes 20 years after a commission headed by former Norwegian Prime

>> Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland published "Our Common Future," a

>> landmark report calling for sustainable development.

>>

>> In related news:

>>

>> Almost a third of all apes, monkeys and other primates are in danger

>> of extinction because of rampant habitat destruction, commercial sale

>> of their meat and the trade in illegal wildlife, a report released

>> today said.

>>

>> Of the world's 394 primate species, 114 are classified as threatened

>> with extinction by the World Conservation Union.

>>

>> The report by Conservation International and the International

>> Primatological Society in Hainan, China, focuses on the plight of the

>> 25 most endangered primates, including China's Hainan gibbon, of which

>> only 17 remain.

>>

>> Russell Mittermeier, president of Conservation International, said,

>> "You could fit all the surviving members of the 25 species in a single

>> football stadium; that's how few of them remain on Earth today."

>>

>> ____________________________________________________

>>

>> It doesn't take much intelligence to understand the meaning of this

>> report.

>>

>> Harry

>

>What it doesn't advocate is the only program that would actually

>help. We need a massive population control program.

Neo-Malthusian drivel.

In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea

that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine

and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human

intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior

that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself. --

The First Global Revolution (King and Schneider)

--

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to

escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not

on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away

with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone

are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices

me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette

daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net

In article <1193410020.941796.224800@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, wsthomas@bellsouth.net says...

> On Oct 25, 11:51 pm, Neocon Oil Cheerleaders <n...@spamm.com> wrote:

> > In article <1193368217.219484.307...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, sereb...@yahoo.com says...> The UN. The most corrupt "world body" there has ever been. Who would

> > > take the UN seriously? Oh yeah, IDIOTS.

> >

> > All the other climate scientists in the world are idiots too, I suppose.

> > Seriously, get a reality check.

>

> Hate to break it to you, bub, but 'All the other climate scientists in

> the world' do not support the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

> Your so-called 'scientific consensus' is a myth that has been

> debunked.

>

> So, please quit claiming that "All the climate scientist" support your

> bullshit theories. That statement is demonstratably false.

>

> Yol Bolsun,

> Grendel.

>

> "When you get to the edges of knowledge, be careful where you step.

> That's where the bullshit is deepest."-Solomon Short.

>

>

Yeah, well name a dozen then. Who are they?

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=climate+change

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