Decorated Vietnam War "hero" turns out to be just another Republicanphony

A New Yorker who for 40 years passed himself off as Vietnam war hero

who had been decorated for extreme gallantry was sentenced to

community service Wednesday after being outed as a fraud.

According to prosecutors, Louis Lowell McGuinn claimed to have been a

lieutenant colonel in the US special forces and had used his fake

military history since 1968 to get work or to win kudos at social

functions.

His military records showed that McGuinn had indeed been in the US

Army and served in Vietnam, but was discharged as a private without

being decorated.

In 2006, McGuinn, who is now in his 60s, attended a ball in New York's

glitzy Pierre Hotel wearing the Distinguished Service Cross, Silver

Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, awarded for being wounded

in action.

The Distinguished Service Cross, the second-highest military

decoration of the US Army, is awarded for acts of extraordinary

heroism.

A real lieutenant colonel and West Point graduate, Mark Kimey,

instantly spotted there was something not quite right about McGuinn

and reported him.

"They're always (Navy) SEALs or special forces," Kimey told the New

York Daily News last year. "Nobody ever masquerades as a cook."

McGuinn pleaded guilty last December under a recently passed law known

as the Stolen Valor Act, and was on Wednesday sentenced in a New York

court to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service.

Prosecutors accused McGuinn of insulting soldiers who had been

decorated for genuine acts of selfless heroism, some of whom were

awarded the Distinguished Service Cross posthumously.

"Fraudulently wearing these medals is an affront to their memory, and

an affront to the heroism of the surviving service men and women who

were legitimately awarded them," prosecutors said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/05/01/2007-05-01_vet_medals_tarnished_in_phoney_hero_scam.html

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 02:06:19 -0700 (PDT), "Kickin' Ass and Takin'

Names" <PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote:

>A New Yorker who for 40 years passed himself off as Vietnam war hero

>who had been decorated for extreme gallantry was sentenced to

>community service Wednesday after being outed as a fraud.

>

>According to prosecutors, Louis Lowell McGuinn claimed to have been a

>lieutenant colonel in the US special forces and had used his fake

>military history since 1968 to get work or to win kudos at social

>functions.

>

>His military records showed that McGuinn had indeed been in the US

>Army and served in Vietnam, but was discharged as a private without

>being decorated.

>

>In 2006, McGuinn, who is now in his 60s, attended a ball in New York's

>glitzy Pierre Hotel wearing the Distinguished Service Cross, Silver

>Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, awarded for being wounded

>in action.

>

>The Distinguished Service Cross, the second-highest military

>decoration of the US Army, is awarded for acts of extraordinary

>heroism.

>

>A real lieutenant colonel and West Point graduate, Mark Kimey,

>instantly spotted there was something not quite right about McGuinn

>and reported him.

>

>"They're always (Navy) SEALs or special forces," Kimey told the New

>York Daily News last year. "Nobody ever masquerades as a cook."

>

>McGuinn pleaded guilty last December under a recently passed law known

>as the Stolen Valor Act, and was on Wednesday sentenced in a New York

>court to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service.

>

>Prosecutors accused McGuinn of insulting soldiers who had been

>decorated for genuine acts of selfless heroism, some of whom were

>awarded the Distinguished Service Cross posthumously.

>

>"Fraudulently wearing these medals is an affront to their memory, and

>an affront to the heroism of the surviving service men and women who

>were legitimately awarded them," prosecutors said.

>

>

>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/05/01/2007-05-01_vet_medals_tarnished_in_phoney_hero_scam.html

These guys all seem to masquerade as war pigs. Aren't there any Prof.

Ellis's? Or am the person who picked up on this...redvet

>

"Lickin' Ass and Takin' Names" <PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:e9abe339-82b7-4a40-8f0a-338a8e92bfc9@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>A New Yorker who for 40 years passed himself off as Vietnam war hero

New York: Blue State, blue city.

Louis Lowell McGuinn:

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/05/01/amd_lowellmcguinn.jpg

Negro.

You FAILED to prove he was Republican.

You're a LIAR.

In article <g1a9v3ln63c8qcttitirtghuoieik7fucj@4ax.com>,

redvet <redvet@lava.net> wrote:

> >"Fraudulently wearing these medals is an affront to their memory, and

> >an affront to the heroism of the surviving service men and women who

> >were legitimately awarded them," prosecutors said.

> >

> >

> >http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/05/01/2007-05-01_vet_medals_tarnished_in

> >_phoney_hero_scam.html

>

>

>

>

> These guys all seem to masquerade as war pigs. Aren't there any Prof.

> Ellis's? Or am the person who picked up on this...redvet

For those who haven't been following along, Professor

Ellis taught history at Mount Holyoke college. Claimed that

the horrors he witnessed in Viet Nam turned him into an

anti-war protester. Unfortunately, he spent his entire

military service on the east coast, not of Viet Nam.

There are plenty of left-wing wannabes, some of the more

successful

Then there's your buddy Capt Al Hubbard...

And Senator Tom Harkin...

And Senator John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia...

Scott Thomas Beauchamp...

While not quite a Professor, there's Aidan Delgado a

religion major - ironic considering the prohibitions against

"false witness." And let's not forget the IVAW's Jesse

MacBeth, the anti-war star of 2006, who spoke out about

atrocities he committed as a U.S. Army Ranger. He claimed to

have killed more than 200 people, (not a body count of 1803,

but a lot) Trouble is, none of MacBeth's claims were true

either.

-Dai Uy sends

In article <e9abe339-82b7-4a40-8f0a-338a8e92bfc9

@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, PopUlist349@hotmail.com says...

Fixed the subject line for you..

> A New Yorker who for 40 years passed himself off as Vietnam war hero

> who had been decorated for extreme gallantry was sentenced to

> community service Wednesday after being outed as a fraud.

>

> According to prosecutors, Louis Lowell McGuinn claimed to have been a

> lieutenant colonel in the US special forces and had used his fake

> military history since 1968 to get work or to win kudos at social

> functions.

>

> His military records showed that McGuinn had indeed been in the US

> Army and served in Vietnam, but was discharged as a private without

> being decorated.

>

> In 2006, McGuinn, who is now in his 60s, attended a ball in New York's

> glitzy Pierre Hotel wearing the Distinguished Service Cross, Silver

> Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, awarded for being wounded

> in action.

>

> The Distinguished Service Cross, the second-highest military

> decoration of the US Army, is awarded for acts of extraordinary

> heroism.

>

> A real lieutenant colonel and West Point graduate, Mark Kimey,

> instantly spotted there was something not quite right about McGuinn

> and reported him.

>

> "They're always (Navy) SEALs or special forces," Kimey told the New

> York Daily News last year. "Nobody ever masquerades as a cook."

>

> McGuinn pleaded guilty last December under a recently passed law known

> as the Stolen Valor Act, and was on Wednesday sentenced in a New York

> court to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service.

>

> Prosecutors accused McGuinn of insulting soldiers who had been

> decorated for genuine acts of selfless heroism, some of whom were

> awarded the Distinguished Service Cross posthumously.

>

> "Fraudulently wearing these medals is an affront to their memory, and

> an affront to the heroism of the surviving service men and women who

> were legitimately awarded them," prosecutors said.

>

>

> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/05/01/2007-05-01_vet_medals_tarnished_in_phoney_hero_scam.html

>

>

>

"Dai Uy" <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

news:Dai-Uy-336296.17550105042008@news-server.hawaii.rr.com...

> In article <K9SdnXlsHLfjvGXanZ2dnUVZ_t6onZ2d@comcast.com>,

> "DGVREIMAN" <dgvreiman@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>> "Dai Uy" <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

>> news:Dai-Uy-C1B9DE.17300803042008@news-server.hawaii.rr.com...

>> > In article <g1a9v3ln63c8qcttitirtghuoieik7fucj@4ax.com>,

>> > redvet <redvet@lava.net> wrote:

>> >> >"Fraudulently wearing these medals is an affront to their memory,

>> >> >and

>> >> >an affront to the heroism of the surviving service men and women

>> >> >who

>> >> >were legitimately awarded them," prosecutors said.

>>

>> >> >http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/05/01/2007-05-01_vet_medals_tarn...

>> >> >_phoney_hero_scam.html

>>

>> >> These guys all seem to masquerade as war pigs. Aren't there any

>> >> Prof.

>> >> Ellis's? Or am the person who picked up on this...redvet

>>

>> > For those who haven't been following along, Professor

>> > Ellis taught history at Mount Holyoke college. Claimed that

>> > the horrors he witnessed in Viet Nam turned him into an

>> > anti-war protester. Unfortunately, he spent his entire

>> > military service on the east coast, not of Viet Nam.

>>

>> > There are plenty of left-wing wannabes, some of the more

>> > successful

>>

>> > Then there's your buddy Capt Al Hubbard...

>>

>> > And Senator Tom Harkin...

>>

>> > And Senator John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia...

>>

>> > Scott Thomas Beauchamp...

>>

>> > While not quite a Professor, there's Aidan Delgado a

>> > religion major - ironic considering the prohibitions against

>> > "false witness." And let's not forget the IVAW's Jesse

>> > MacBeth, the anti-war star of 2006, who spoke out about

>> > atrocities he committed as a U.S. Army Ranger. He claimed to

>> > have killed more than 200 people, (not a body count of 1803,

>> > but a lot) Trouble is, none of MacBeth's claims were true

>> > either.

>>

>> > -Dai Uy sends

>>

>> Doug Says: Mr. Rau, do you really know anyone that has ever claimed

>> he

>> personally killed 1803 enemy in Vietnam? If you do, a name would be

>> nice so we can verify your claim. I spent about three times the

>> amount

>> of time in duty in Vietnam than you did and I have never heard of

>> such

>> nonsense. You need to learn to curb those Walter Mitty fantasies Mr.

>> Rau.

>>

>> Doug Grant

>

> Doug,

>

> Was I replying to something you had posted?

>

> You spent 27 months in Viet Nam? Is that your final

> answer?

>

> But, yeah you're my hero. Jesse MacBeth claimed to have

> killed 200+. I know I didn't kill near that many.

>

> You've got to admit that 200 is a hell of a lot, but 1803

> is...

>

> Well...

>

> - - - - - [repost] - - - - -

>

> From: "DOUGLAS G.V. REIMAN" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net>

> Newsgroups: alt.news-media

> Subject: Re: Surely that should read 'Americans are dangerous'?

> - was:

> Re: Alerts Are Dangerous

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:39:33 -0800

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From: Dai Uy <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com>

Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam

Followup-To: alt.war.vietnam

Subject: Re: Decorated Vietnam War "hero" turns out to be just another

Republican phony

Organization: just another vet for truth

Reply-To: alt.war.vietnam

Keywords: " Did you kill anyone?" "1803 estimated BC in 2.5 tours with

only 3 wounded in my team" "I have a Purple Heart too"

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> "Cubistic_Fi><ator"

> <whateveryouwantittobeyousickstal...@wherever.net> wrote in

> message news:VOsl8.2483$We7.19632252@news-text.cableinet.net...

>> DOUGLAS G.V. REIMAN wrote:

>>

>> >

>> > ALERTS ARE DANGEROUS

>> >

>> > These Green, Yellow, Orange and Red alerts dreamed up by

> someone

>> > in our Government are very dangerous. Why? Let me tell you

> a

>> > little story first:

>> >

>> > When I was in Vietnam, we used Claymore mines

>>

>> ...and napalm and agent orange and cluster bombs and rifles and

> grenades

>> and AP mines and tanks and rocket launchers and mortars and

> jets and attack

>> helicopters and....

>>

>> Did you kill anyone?

>

> As many VC and NVA as I could. (1803 estimated BC in 2.5 tours

> with only 3 wounded in my team). It is too bad however that we

> did not kill more. Then perhaps there would not have been the

> Pol Pot massacres of six million, and another estimated 2

> million

> butchered by the North Vietnamese after they took Saigon. But

> then those murders should be on the collective conscience of

> those that protested us fighting the communists.

>

> So, how many innocent Cambodians and Vietnamese do you think you

> helped to massacre by protesting the Vietnam war?

>

> Doug Grant

>

> - - - - - [end repost] - - - - -

>

> You're my hero Doug.

>

> Thanks for all you did for us in Viet Nam, and "welcome

> home."

>

>

> -Dai Uy sends

>

>

Doug's Rebuttal to Mr. Rau's fraud: Mr. Rau (a.k.a.Dai Uy) are you

preposterously and fraudulently again claiming the above quip fragment

from one of my posts represents an autobiographical claim from me that

I personally killed 1803 enemy soldiers when I was in Vietnam? Surely

you can read the term "we" in the above quip? And further, I have told

you several times my reference to a "team" was my common and repeated

reference to every unit I was assigned to during my entire time in

Vietnam. I also provided the term "estimated" in the above quip which

means I really did not know the true number. Even you with your

propensity to use fraud, lies, false accusations and obloquy should be

still be able to read on a 6th grade level.

But I will make you a deal you cannot refuse that is if you believe in

your honesty:

I will take everything you have said about me based upon your

misrepresented and fraudulent excerpts of my post fragments, along with

what your gang leader Nigel Brooks has also said with the use of his

forgeries, fraud and false accusations, to independent and highly

qualified investigators with an extensive (retired military) background

and multiple degrees in law, and ask them for their opinions in regards

to your accuracy and veracity, of which I will then publish pro or con.

Do you agree that I should now invite independent third party experts

to review your and your gang's tirades of BS and fraud, or are you going

to hide from this offer as well? You will not be required to pay a dime

for his and other independent third party opinions unless of course I am

forced to file a lawsuit against you to stop your stalking, and then I

will ask for all legal fees, expert expenses and damages.

I needed to contact these experts anyway if I wanted to sue you and

Brooks and other members of your gang. So I have been talking to

several different people about your stalking campaign against me over

the past few months. I think you will be very impressed with the

qualifications of the experts I have found and are willing to testify as

qualified experts.

Time to walk the walk Mr. Rau. Do you agree to a "independent review"

of your statements about me? I would think you would want to invite an

independent and highly qualified analysis of your stalking campaign you

have been waging against me for more than two years now - not unless of

course you know you are lying and you are going to be exposed as a lying

fraud and smear merchant by expert investigators?

I will even allow you to post your side of the issue along with mine

when I submit my rebuttal to your fraud. Certainly you and Nigel Brooks

are not going to cower and hide from this offer of an independent review

of your accusations about me are you Mr. Rau? What possible excuse can

you now have to duck, dodge, cower and hide from independent and highly

qualified investigators reviewing your volumes of accusations about me?

Doug Grant

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:56:41 -0700, "DGVREIMAN" <dgvreiman@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>"Dai Uy" <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

>news:Dai-Uy-336296.17550105042008@news-server.hawaii.rr.com...

>> In article <K9SdnXlsHLfjvGXanZ2dnUVZ_t6onZ2d@comcast.com>,

>> "DGVREIMAN" <dgvreiman@comcast.net> wrote:

>>

>>> "Dai Uy" <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

>>> news:Dai-Uy-C1B9DE.17300803042008@news-server.hawaii.rr.com...

>>> > In article <g1a9v3ln63c8qcttitirtghuoieik7fucj@4ax.com>,

>>> > redvet <redvet@lava.net> wrote:

>>> >> >"Fraudulently wearing these medals is an affront to their memory,

>>> >> >and

>>> >> >an affront to the heroism of the surviving service men and women

>>> >> >who

>>> >> >were legitimately awarded them," prosecutors said.

>>>

>>> >> >http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/05/01/2007-05-01_vet_medals_tarn...

>>> >> >_phoney_hero_scam.html

>>>

>>> >> These guys all seem to masquerade as war pigs. Aren't there any

>>> >> Prof.

>>> >> Ellis's? Or am the person who picked up on this...redvet

>>>

>>> > For those who haven't been following along, Professor

>>> > Ellis taught history at Mount Holyoke college. Claimed that

>>> > the horrors he witnessed in Viet Nam turned him into an

>>> > anti-war protester. Unfortunately, he spent his entire

>>> > military service on the east coast, not of Viet Nam.

>>>

>>> > There are plenty of left-wing wannabes, some of the more

>>> > successful

>>>

>>> > Then there's your buddy Capt Al Hubbard...

>>>

>>> > And Senator Tom Harkin...

>>>

>>> > And Senator John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia...

>>>

>>> > Scott Thomas Beauchamp...

>>>

>>> > While not quite a Professor, there's Aidan Delgado a

>>> > religion major - ironic considering the prohibitions against

>>> > "false witness." And let's not forget the IVAW's Jesse

>>> > MacBeth, the anti-war star of 2006, who spoke out about

>>> > atrocities he committed as a U.S. Army Ranger. He claimed to

>>> > have killed more than 200 people, (not a body count of 1803,

>>> > but a lot) Trouble is, none of MacBeth's claims were true

>>> > either.

>>>

>>> > -Dai Uy sends

>>>

>>> Doug Says: Mr. Rau, do you really know anyone that has ever claimed

>>> he

>>> personally killed 1803 enemy in Vietnam? If you do, a name would be

>>> nice so we can verify your claim. I spent about three times the

>>> amount

>>> of time in duty in Vietnam than you did and I have never heard of

>>> such

>>> nonsense. You need to learn to curb those Walter Mitty fantasies Mr.

>>> Rau.

>>>

>>> Doug Grant

>>

>> Doug,

>>

>> Was I replying to something you had posted?

>>

>> You spent 27 months in Viet Nam? Is that your final

>> answer?

>>

>> But, yeah you're my hero. Jesse MacBeth claimed to have

>> killed 200+. I know I didn't kill near that many.

>>

>> You've got to admit that 200 is a hell of a lot, but 1803

>> is...

>>

>> Well...

>>

>> - - - - - [repost] - - - - -

>>

>> From: "DOUGLAS G.V. REIMAN" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net>

>> Newsgroups: alt.news-media

>> Subject: Re: Surely that should read 'Americans are dangerous'?

>> - was:

>> Re: Alerts Are Dangerous

>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:39:33 -0800

>> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com

>> Message-ID: <u9cqor7futs...@corp.supernews.com>

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>From: Dai Uy <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com>

>Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam

>Followup-To: alt.war.vietnam

>Subject: Re: Decorated Vietnam War "hero" turns out to be just another

>Republican phony

>Organization: just another vet for truth

>Reply-To: alt.war.vietnam

>Keywords: " Did you kill anyone?" "1803 estimated BC in 2.5 tours with

>only 3 wounded in my team" "I have a Purple Heart too"

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>>

>> "Cubistic_Fi><ator"

>> <whateveryouwantittobeyousickstal...@wherever.net> wrote in

>> message news:VOsl8.2483$We7.19632252@news-text.cableinet.net...

>>> DOUGLAS G.V. REIMAN wrote:

>>>

>>> >

>>> > ALERTS ARE DANGEROUS

>>> >

>>> > These Green, Yellow, Orange and Red alerts dreamed up by

>> someone

>>> > in our Government are very dangerous. Why? Let me tell you

>> a

>>> > little story first:

>>> >

>>> > When I was in Vietnam, we used Claymore mines

>>>

>>> ...and napalm and agent orange and cluster bombs and rifles and

>> grenades

>>> and AP mines and tanks and rocket launchers and mortars and

>> jets and attack

>>> helicopters and....

>>>

>>> Did you kill anyone?

>>

>> As many VC and NVA as I could. (1803 estimated BC in 2.5 tours

>> with only 3 wounded in my team). It is too bad however that we

>> did not kill more. Then perhaps there would not have been the

>> Pol Pot massacres of six million, and another estimated 2

>> million

>> butchered by the North Vietnamese after they took Saigon. But

>> then those murders should be on the collective conscience of

>> those that protested us fighting the communists.

>>

>> So, how many innocent Cambodians and Vietnamese do you think you

>> helped to massacre by protesting the Vietnam war?

>>

>> Doug Grant

>>

>> - - - - - [end repost] - - - - -

>>

>> You're my hero Doug.

>>

>> Thanks for all you did for us in Viet Nam, and "welcome

>> home."

>>

>>

>> -Dai Uy sends

>>

>>

>

>Doug's Rebuttal to Mr. Rau's fraud: Mr. Rau (a.k.a.Dai Uy) are you

>preposterously and fraudulently again claiming the above quip fragment

>from one of my posts represents an autobiographical claim from me that

>I personally killed 1803 enemy soldiers when I was in Vietnam? Surely

>you can read the term "we" in the above quip? And further, I have told

>you several times my reference to a "team" was my common and repeated

>reference to every unit I was assigned to during my entire time in

>Vietnam. I also provided the term "estimated" in the above quip which

>means I really did not know the true number. Even you with your

>propensity to use fraud, lies, false accusations and obloquy should be

>still be able to read on a 6th grade level.

>

>But I will make you a deal you cannot refuse that is if you believe in

>your honesty:

>

> I will take everything you have said about me based upon your

>misrepresented and fraudulent excerpts of my post fragments, along with

>what your gang leader Nigel Brooks has also said with the use of his

>forgeries, fraud and false accusations, to independent and highly

>qualified investigators with an extensive (retired military) background

>and multiple degrees in law, and ask them for their opinions in regards

>to your accuracy and veracity, of which I will then publish pro or con.

>

>Do you agree that I should now invite independent third party experts

>to review your and your gang's tirades of BS and fraud, or are you going

>to hide from this offer as well? You will not be required to pay a dime

>for his and other independent third party opinions unless of course I am

>forced to file a lawsuit against you to stop your stalking, and then I

>will ask for all legal fees, expert expenses and damages.

>

>I needed to contact these experts anyway if I wanted to sue you and

>Brooks and other members of your gang. So I have been talking to

>several different people about your stalking campaign against me over

>the past few months. I think you will be very impressed with the

>qualifications of the experts I have found and are willing to testify as

>qualified experts.

>

>Time to walk the walk Mr. Rau. Do you agree to a "independent review"

>of your statements about me? I would think you would want to invite an

>independent and highly qualified analysis of your stalking campaign you

>have been waging against me for more than two years now - not unless of

>course you know you are lying and you are going to be exposed as a lying

>fraud and smear merchant by expert investigators?

>

>

>I will even allow you to post your side of the issue along with mine

>when I submit my rebuttal to your fraud. Certainly you and Nigel Brooks

>are not going to cower and hide from this offer of an independent review

>of your accusations about me are you Mr. Rau? What possible excuse can

>you now have to duck, dodge, cower and hide from independent and highly

>qualified investigators reviewing your volumes of accusations about me?

>

>Doug Grant

>

Nobody really cares what the fuck your pea brain comes up with.

Your bonefides

Alt.Usenet.Kooks honors

Douglas "Doogie" Grant aka DGVREIMAN

Kook of the Month, December 1998

Looney Maroon Award, September 1999

Looney Maroon Award, April 2001

Unabomber Surprise March 2006

Busted Urinal Award May 2007.

Richard M. Nixon Memorial "Pathological Liar" Award

(nominated Aug 2007)

Douglas Grant Medal For Historical Revisionism

December 2007

(1st winner of award named in his honor)

Kook of the Year 2007 (Runner Up by 3 votes)

Doogies home newsgroup added since it looks like he forgot again. He's been

forgetting so many things lately. Looks like he's getting ready for another

one of his major public breakdowns.

"DGVREIMAN" <dgvreiman@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:3_idnREZi6tgt2TanZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@comcast.com...

> I will even allow you to post your side of the issue along with mine when

> I submit my rebuttal to your fraud. Certainly you and Nigel Brooks are

> not going to cower and hide from this offer of an independent review of

> your accusations about me are you Mr. Rau? What possible excuse can you

> now have to duck, dodge, cower and hide from independent and highly

> qualified investigators reviewing your volumes of accusations about me?

>

> Doug Grant

>

Obviously I cannot speak for Mr. Rau - but speaking strictly for myself - I

decline your offer Mr. Reiman.

I have reviewed your past usenet postings concerning your experiences in the

United States military in Vietnam and elsewhere. I have compared the claims

you made to your actual military records which I obtained through the

auspices of the Freedom of Information Act.

Having compared your postings (which I note you petitioned the google

archive to remove) and your records, I am convinced that you grossly

misrepresented your experiences. You simply are not the kind of person who

is to be trusted. To paraphrase what a the Third Circuit said about you -

I am disturbed that you have couched your arguments in dramatic hyperbole

obfuscating the real issues. Indeed, I am satisfied that you have

mischaracterized the facts.

I trust that this clears up any misunderstanding you might have concerning

my view of your truthfulness or your capacity to even recognize the truth.

--

Nigel Brooks

In article <3_idnREZi6tgt2TanZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@comcast.com>,

"DGVREIMAN" <dgvreiman@comcast.net> wrote:

>

> Time to walk the walk Mr. Rau. Do you agree to a "independent review"

> of your statements about me?

What part of posting to usenet don't you understand?

Every one of my postings to usenet can be reviewed by

anyone through the Google archives.

In an effort to prevent "independent review" you have

petitioned to have many of your more egregious postings removed

from that archive.

> I would think you would want to invite an

> independent and highly qualified analysis of your stalking campaign you

> have been waging against me for more than two years now - not unless of

> course you know you are lying and you are going to be exposed as a lying

> fraud and smear merchant by expert investigators?

A lying fraud and smear merchant?

I can come up with a few examples of yours... Apparently

you think I should....

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:56:41 -0700, "DGVREIMAN" <dgvreiman@comcast.net>

wrote:

>But I will make you a deal you cannot refuse that is if you believe in

>your honesty:

>

> I will take everything you have said about me based upon your

>misrepresented and fraudulent excerpts of my post fragments, along with

>what your gang leader Nigel Brooks has also said with the use of his

>forgeries, fraud and false accusations, to independent and highly

>qualified investigators with an extensive (retired military) background

>and multiple degrees in law, and ask them for their opinions in regards

>to your accuracy and veracity, of which I will then publish pro or con.

SNIP

Taking a very quick look at your turgid, convoluted posting, here is a

brief statement AND then, a couple of quick questions.

FIRST: Your statement is semantically loaded, weighted with the

results you will obtain.

SECOND: just how can you have any investigation without allowing

IMPARTIAL examiners full and complete access to the statements you

have spewed forth on the UseNet over the years as you posted many of

your claims?

THIRD: why can not those examiners publish the results... why must

such come cahnneled through you?

FINALLY: perhaps it would be better to use someone at the Disabled

American Veterans, or the Veterans of Foreign Wars?

I feel sure that we might be able to obtain one of the Officers of

such an organization in either Vancouver, Washington or even Seattle,

Washington....

---Mac, the Medic