Define Democracy today.

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Much is made of democracy, and the benefits of a society that claims to be democratically controlled today.

Many actions, both good and not so good, are carried out under the banner of so-called democracy.

Considering the current public dissatisfaction with government decision-making processes and their outcomes in the popular version of western democracy, is it time to reconsider the basic meanings of the concept of democracy?

Is it time to get back to the roots, the real meaning of democracy?

DEFINITIONS

Democracy: Derived from the Greek Demos (people) and kratia (power). Literally People-Power!

Let us dissect that definition, and pursue the fact that even such a simple definition can be changed without the people knowing that it has changed.

People Power. Is that a term indicating that the people have the power of veto, or the power of the vote?

Voting is not compulsory in the US of A. Those who wish to cast a vote, are free to do so. That is freedom of speech.

Dissatisfaction of the outcomes of the choices of voters by those who did not choose to vote, is considered to be dissension. Why? Because those who did not vote are considered by those who did vote to be unimportant, and ineffectual, and out of the equation. Is that fair and democratic? Excercising your right of freedom of choice suddenly places you outside of the democratic process of freedom of speech?

Regardless of the fact that all are equal, (supposedly) if you did not partake in the original election process, you have no claim to the benefits or deficits of the choices of those who chose to vote. Is that democracy at work?

Just say, for example, that even those who voted became dissatisfied with the choices their collective votes enabled, what processes are available to overturn the outcomes of their votes? Impeachment? Double dissolution? Both messy outcomes. Both expensively inept answers to problems that need resolution, rather than continued instability.

That is the power of veto. Do the people still have the power of veto? Is public unrest and mistrust enough to call for a new election?

Is the power of veto relevant to the current structure of modern democracy? Is people power sufficient today, that we can band together, and make demands on our elected leaders, and force them into arrangements that satisfy popular public desires? I think not.

The further into the evolutionary misuse of the term "democracy", the further we get from the true meaning of the word itself.

" For if liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in the government to the utmost. " - Aristotle

Life today leads many to a desire to hand over the serious acts of decision-making to elected representatives.

Is that desire based on trust? Or on idle laziness? Or on ignorance?

That does depend on the individual; granted. But when situations arise that anger and confuse the very people who were happy to hand over the power of decision-making to those elected, what recourse is now available to turn back the clock, and "un-elect" those entrusted to work for our best interests.

I would like to hear your comments on this.

 

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Boy, this topic went over like a pile of dog ****...

What did you expect, CES?

The term "liberal" now seems to mean "I hate America" despite the liberal slant in the minds of your founding fathers.

Democracy now means what? Bomb the **** out of another nation, implant a puppet regime, and stand back and wait for civil war?

 

TheJenn88

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I voted, "I don't vote, politicians are liars" or whatever.

well, a) I can't vote, but if I could, I would - a vote of non-confidence, though :p

People can't possibly tell me that because a government spoonfeeds you a truck full of ideologies that you agree with means they can be trusted. Evidence has gone to show that people abuse their power, or don't use it at all. **** politicians XD

But hey, I can't deny a people's need for order and governing. Just..I..hope for not such a corrupt system of governing

 

TheJenn88

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What did you expect, CES?
The term "liberal" now seems to mean "I hate America" despite the liberal slant in the minds of your founding fathers.

Democracy now means what? Bomb the **** out of another nation, implant a puppet regime, and stand back and wait for civil war?
Liberal IS a filthy word in the US of A. We were talking about it in politics class (my teacher is leftleft of centre). It's taken as an insult, something along the lines of being a filthy wishy-wash ***** with possible side-affects of hippieness (my teacher is a self-proclaimed former hippie..).

I've completely succeeded in making this post useless...

 

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Liberal IS a filthy word in the US of A. We were talking about it in politics class (my teacher is leftleft of centre). It's taken as an insult, something along the lines of being a filthy wishy-wash ***** with possible side-affects of hippieness (my teacher is a self-proclaimed former hippie..).
I've completely succeeded in making this post useless...
On the contrary, Jenn.

The word Liberal means, to me, open-minded acceptance of differences of opinion, but apparently I'm so dumb (ask MRIH) that I can't fart and chew gum at the same time.

So we'll go to the source.

Generous in quantity
Add a liberal sprinkling of salt.

A political description sometimes used without regard to true meaning, as a pejorative

Based on optimistic assumptions.

At a liberal estimate, growth could exceed 5% next year.

Favoring social freedom; permissive

Her parents had liberal ideas about child-rearing.

Favoring ideas that treat all people with equal justice regardless of educational, financial, sexual or racial status.

(US) Supposedly Opposing conservative positions, particularly those of social conservatives.

(UK) Pertaining to the Liberal Democrats.

Supporting a Liberal political party

liberal (adjective obsolete): lacking moral restraint: LICENTIOUS. Source; Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, eleventh edition, page 716.

liberal adj : generous, marked by generosity, OPENHANDED, not literal or strict, not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms. Source; Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, eleventh edition, page 716.
The word has been hijacked. When the US rants about liberal this and that, we Aussies have a different set of triggers for that word. I don't think we are alone in that respect.

Liberalism was the birthright of the United States of America.

Like it or lump it. But don't bastardise a good descriptive word.

;)

 
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