Democrats Slam OBAMA for Pakistan Remarks

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals

slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest sending

GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that, "if

President Musharraf won't act, we will."

"Frankly, I am not sure what Barack is calling for in his speech this

morning. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to leave even the impression

the United States would needlessly and publicly provoke a nuclear power,"

said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.

In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in

Washington, D.C., - billed as a major foreign policy address - Obama said

that as commander in chief he would remove troops from Iraq and put them "on

the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

He offered harsh words to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who has been

the target of assassination attempts for his efforts to aid the United

States in rooting out terrorist havens in the northwestern region of his

country.

"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me

make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who

murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and

President Musharraf won't act, we will."

Obama said he would place heavy conditions on the hundreds of millions of

dollars in U.S. military aid if Pakistan isn't up to the task of combating

terrorists.

"Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps,

evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as

a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan," he said.

Obama's critics said being confrontational toward Pakistan doesn't help

fight the War on Terror.

Hunting down Usama bin Laden and stopping terrorists from acquiring nuclear

weapons is a priority, Dodd said. "But I will not declare my intentions for

specific military action to the media in the context of a political

campaign."

"My international experience tells me that we should address this problem

with tough diplomacy with General Musharraf first, leaving the military as a

last resort. It is important to reach out to moderate Muslim states and

allies to ensure we do not unnecessarily inflame the Muslim world," said New

Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, another 2008 Democratic presidential candidate.

Sen. Joe Biden said he wrote the recently passed law that conditions aid to

Pakistan on its cooperation with the United States in combating Al Qaeda and

the Taliban.

"Before writing the law, Biden wrote to President Musharraf and Secretary

(of State Condoleezza) Rice making clear his intent to do so," a statement

from Biden's campaign reads.

The statement then went on to ridicule Obama for not asking Amb. John

Negroponte at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in January

anything about Afghanistan or the Taliban, and quoted him discussing the

"stunning level of mercury in fish."

"It's good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but

this can hardly be considered bold leadership." said Biden campaign manager

Luis Navarro.

In his remarks, Obama had plenty of criticism of President Bush for his

handling of the War on Terror.

"The president would have us believe that every bomb in Baghdad is part of

Al Qaeda's war against us, not an Iraqi civil war. He elevates Al Qaeda in

Iraq - which didn't exist before our invasion - and overlooks the people who

hit us on 9/11, who are training new recruits in Pakistan," Obama said,

adding: "He confuses our mission."

Bush has said he would order military action if intelligence showed top

terror leaders were hiding in Afghanistan, but the relationship with

Musharraf has been friendly and cooperative.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said none of the administration's policies

about keeping military options open to respond to actionable intelligence

precludes working with the Pakistanis. He cited the capture of Khalid Sheikh

Mohammed as an example of an important joint operation that yielded

successful results.

"Our approach to Pakistan is one that not only respects the sovereignty of

Pakistan as a sovereign government, but is also designed to work in a way

where we are working in cooperation with the local government," he said.

In his remarks, Obama made no mention of Democratic frontrunner Sen. Hillary

Clinton. She called his foreign policy views last week naive and has

continued to build a growing lead in the polls amid increasingly vocal

concerns among Democratic voters about Obama's relative lack of experience.

While she and other Democrats say the United States is safer since Sept. 11,

2001, Obama continues to disagree.

"Because of a war in Iraq that should never have been authorized and should

never have been waged, we are now less safe than we were before 9/11," he

said.

On Aug 1, 6:40 pm, "Go Mavs" <M...@ericks.com> wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

>

> WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals

> slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest sending

> GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that, "if

> President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>

> "Frankly, I am not sure what Barack is calling for in his speech this

> morning. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to leave even the impression

> the United States would needlessly and publicly provoke a nuclear power,"

> said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.

>

> In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in

> Washington, D.C., - billed as a major foreign policy address - Obama said

> that as commander in chief he would remove troops from Iraq and put them "on

> the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

>

> He offered harsh words to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who has been

> the target of assassination attempts for his efforts to aid the United

> States in rooting out terrorist havens in the northwestern region of his

> country.

>

> "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me

> make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who

> murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said.

> "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and

> President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>

> Obama said he would place heavy conditions on the hundreds of millions of

> dollars in U.S. military aid if Pakistan isn't up to the task of combating

> terrorists.

>

> "Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps,

> evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as

> a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan," he said.

>

> Obama's critics said being confrontational toward Pakistan doesn't help

> fight the War on Terror.

>

> Hunting down Usama bin Laden and stopping terrorists from acquiring nuclear

> weapons is a priority, Dodd said. "But I will not declare my intentions for

> specific military action to the media in the context of a political

> campaign."

>

> "My international experience tells me that we should address this problem

> with tough diplomacy with General Musharraf first, leaving the military as a

> last resort. It is important to reach out to moderate Muslim states and

> allies to ensure we do not unnecessarily inflame the Muslim world," said New

> Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, another 2008 Democratic presidential candidate.

>

> Sen. Joe Biden said he wrote the recently passed law that conditions aid to

> Pakistan on its cooperation with the United States in combating Al Qaeda and

> the Taliban.

>

> "Before writing the law, Biden wrote to President Musharraf and Secretary

> (of State Condoleezza) Rice making clear his intent to do so," a statement

> from Biden's campaign reads.

>

> The statement then went on to ridicule Obama for not asking Amb. John

> Negroponte at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in January

> anything about Afghanistan or the Taliban, and quoted him discussing the

> "stunning level of mercury in fish."

>

> "It's good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but

> this can hardly be considered bold leadership." said Biden campaign manager

> Luis Navarro.

>

> In his remarks, Obama had plenty of criticism of President Bush for his

> handling of the War on Terror.

>

> "The president would have us believe that every bomb in Baghdad is part of

> Al Qaeda's war against us, not an Iraqi civil war. He elevates Al Qaeda in

> Iraq - which didn't exist before our invasion - and overlooks the people who

> hit us on 9/11, who are training new recruits in Pakistan," Obama said,

> adding: "He confuses our mission."

>

> Bush has said he would order military action if intelligence showed top

> terror leaders were hiding in Afghanistan, but the relationship with

> Musharraf has been friendly and cooperative.

>

> White House spokesman Tony Snow said none of the administration's policies

> about keeping military options open to respond to actionable intelligence

> precludes working with the Pakistanis. He cited the capture of Khalid Sheikh

> Mohammed as an example of an important joint operation that yielded

> successful results.

>

> "Our approach to Pakistan is one that not only respects the sovereignty of

> Pakistan as a sovereign government, but is also designed to work in a way

> where we are working in cooperation with the local government," he said.

>

> In his remarks, Obama made no mention of Democratic frontrunner Sen. Hillary

> Clinton. She called his foreign policy views last week naive and has

> continued to build a growing lead in the polls amid increasingly vocal

> concerns among Democratic voters about Obama's relative lack of experience.

>

> While she and other Democrats say the United States is safer since Sept. 11,

> 2001, Obama continues to disagree.

>

> "Because of a war in Iraq that should never have been authorized and should

> never have been waged, we are now less safe than we were before 9/11," he

> said.

it is like the inexperience of bush and his losing quagmire in iraq?

"BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaster54@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> it is like the inexperience of bush and his losing quagmire in iraq?

The current administration has the best history of experience against the

current crisis..

with that said, this has nothing to do with bush and everything to do with

Obama...

I bet you invoke Bush's name when your girl wont sleep with you because she

is on her period? You probablly attribute it to her not being able to get

birth control for cycle stoppage using government funds...

On Aug 1, 6:53 pm, "Go Mavs" <M...@ericks.com> wrote:

> "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1186019255.396089.189640@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>

> > it is like the inexperience of bush and his losing quagmire in iraq?

>

> The current administration has the best history of experience against the

> current crisis..

>

> with that said, this has nothing to do with bush and everything to do with

> Obama...

>

> I bet you invoke Bush's name when your girl wont sleep with you because she

> is on her period? You probablly attribute it to her not being able to get

> birth control for cycle stoppage using government funds...

I invoke Bush's name when his failure comes up, which for the most

part is everything he touches, I dare you to name one thing he has

done that has benefitted the 98% of americans who are not

Billionaires, Put what good he has done

Here________________________________________.

"BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaster54@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> I invoke Bush's name when his failure comes up

A traditional liberal ploy.

> which for the most

> part is everything he touches,

Your brain?

> I dare you to name one thing he has

> done that has benefitted the 98% of americans who are not

> Billionaires, Put what good he has done

> Here________________________________________.

I am doing fine and most people I know who arent billionaires are doing

fine. I would hardly call 4thousand dead comparable to the 50 plus thousand

dead in Vietnam and in North Korea.

I think you are over reacting by way of political convenience.

On Aug 1, 7:14 pm, "Go Mavs" <M...@ericks.com> wrote:

> "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1186019834.901079.251330@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

> > I invoke Bush's name when his failure comes up

>

> A traditional liberal ploy.

>

> > which for the most

> > part is everything he touches,

>

> Your brain?

>

> > I dare you to name one thing he has

> > done that has benefitted the 98% of americans who are not

> > Billionaires, Put what good he has done

> > Here________________________________________.

>

> I am doing fine and most people I know who arent billionaires are doing

> fine. I would hardly call 4thousand dead comparable to the 50 plus thousand

> dead in Vietnam and in North Korea.

>

> I think you are over reacting by way of political convenience.

I asked you to name the good he has done, you came up with a big Zero.

"Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com> wrote in message

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>

> "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaster54@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:1186019834.901079.251330@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> I invoke Bush's name when his failure comes up

>

> A traditional liberal ploy.

Traditional AMERICAN question.

"Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com> wrote in message

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> The current administration has the best history of experience against the

> current crisis..

The current administration CREATED the current crisis you fucking nitwit.

--

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-Bokonon

_______________________________________________

When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

In article <8Casi.1444$BQ.539@trnddc03>, "Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com>

wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

>

>

>

> WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals

> slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest sending

> GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that, "if

> President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>

> "Frankly, I am not sure what Barack is calling for in his speech this

> morning. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to leave even the impression

> the United States would needlessly and publicly provoke a nuclear power,"

> said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.

>

> In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in

> Washington, D.C., - billed as a major foreign policy address - Obama said

> that as commander in chief he would remove troops from Iraq and put them "on

> the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

Yawell, he'd be missing the "right battlefield" too.

The "right battlefield" is Iran. And the way to Iran is through those

things she covets the most. And, of course, she's always most coveted

Iraq.

--

NeoLibertarian

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are,

'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

---Ronald Reagan

"BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaster54@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Aug 1, 7:14 pm, "Go Mavs" <M...@ericks.com> wrote:

>> "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1186019834.901079.251330@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> > I invoke Bush's name when his failure comes up

>>

>> A traditional liberal ploy.

>>

>> > which for the most

>> > part is everything he touches,

>>

>> Your brain?

>>

>> > I dare you to name one thing he has

>> > done that has benefitted the 98% of americans who are not

>> > Billionaires, Put what good he has done

>> > Here________________________________________.

>>

>> I am doing fine and most people I know who arent billionaires are doing

>> fine. I would hardly call 4thousand dead comparable to the 50 plus

>> thousand

>> dead in Vietnam and in North Korea.

>>

>> I think you are over reacting by way of political convenience.

>

> I asked you to name the good he has done, you came up with a big Zero.

Your idea of good, is socialism... What good would it do me to point out the

good if you are going to yell "thats not for the good of the people."

Its like telling a member of the KKK that many black people I have met have

always been nice and good people. Its pointless to tell you the good. You

would deny it or tell me why its evil.

On Aug 1, 6:53 pm, "Go Mavs" <M...@ericks.com> wrote:

> "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1186019255.396089.189640@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>

> > it is like the inexperience of bush and his losing quagmire in iraq?

>

> The current administration has the best history of experience against the

> current crisis..

WTF? 9/11 happened on Bush's watch and after he was warned that it

would happen! Terrorism has mushroomed since he was sworn in (sworn

at by me).

>

> with that said, this has nothing to do with bush and everything to do with

> Obama...

6 years after 9/11, OBL is still at large. Heckuva job, Bushie.

>

> I bet you invoke Bush's name....

He is president, ya know. I'll bet you're sorry Clinton didn't screw

up this badly.

BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA wrote:

> On Aug 1, 6:53 pm, "Go Mavs" <M...@ericks.com> wrote:

>> "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1186019255.396089.189640@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

>>

>>> it is like the inexperience of bush and his losing quagmire in iraq?

>> The current administration has the best history of experience against the

>> current crisis..

>>

>> with that said, this has nothing to do with bush and everything to do with

>> Obama...

>>

>> I bet you invoke Bush's name when your girl wont sleep with you because she

>> is on her period? You probablly attribute it to her not being able to get

>> birth control for cycle stoppage using government funds...

>

> I invoke Bush's name when his failure comes up, which for the most

> part is everything he touches, I dare you to name one thing he has

> done that has benefitted the 98% of americans who are not

> Billionaires, Put what good he has done

Here_ Federal No Call List.

I was amazed when Bush didn't stop the federal no call list. In fact it

seems to work pretty well and everybody likes it (but for the

telemarketers).

So thats the one good thing I can think of .. otherwise, not so much

"Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com> wrote in message

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> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

>

>

>

> WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals

> slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest

> sending GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that,

> "if President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>

He guy is a kitten being thrown to the wolves.

He deserves it for being presumptuousness to enter the big leagues as a rank

amateur.

Jim E

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 00:04:55 -0700, "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote:

>

>"Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com> wrote in message

>news:8Casi.1444$BQ.539@trnddc03...

>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

>>

>>

>>

>> WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals

>> slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest

>> sending GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that,

>> "if President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>>

>

>

>He guy is a kitten being thrown to the wolves.

>He deserves it for being presumptuousness to enter the big leagues as a rank

>amateur.

You voted for a drunken crook!

> Jim E

>

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of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the

military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of

misplaced power exists and will persist." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:53:47 GMT, "Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com> wrote:

>

>"BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaster54@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>> On Aug 1, 7:14 pm, "Go Mavs" <M...@ericks.com> wrote:

>>> "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>

>>> news:1186019834.901079.251330@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>>>

>>> > I invoke Bush's name when his failure comes up

>>>

>>> A traditional liberal ploy.

>>>

>>> > which for the most

>>> > part is everything he touches,

>>>

>>> Your brain?

>>>

>>> > I dare you to name one thing he has

>>> > done that has benefitted the 98% of americans who are not

>>> > Billionaires, Put what good he has done

>>> > Here________________________________________.

>>>

>>> I am doing fine and most people I know who arent billionaires are doing

>>> fine. I would hardly call 4thousand dead comparable to the 50 plus

>>> thousand

>>> dead in Vietnam and in North Korea.

>>>

>>> I think you are over reacting by way of political convenience.

>>

>> I asked you to name the good he has done, you came up with a big Zero.

>

>

>Your idea of good, is socialism... What good would it do me to point out the

>good if you are going to yell "thats not for the good of the people."

Your idea of good is fascism, to give more money to Halliburton and

billionaires to make them richer.

>Its like telling a member of the KKK that many black people I have met have

>always been nice and good people. Its pointless to tell you the good. You

>would deny it or tell me why its evil.

Are you that one who yelled "porch ******"?

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http://www.iraqwar.org/micomplex.htm

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition

of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the

military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of

misplaced power exists and will persist." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:32:44 GMT, "Eat Crack"

<Crackheads@Crawford.net> wrote:

>"Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com> wrote in message

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>>

>> "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaster54@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:1186019834.901079.251330@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>>> I invoke Bush's name when his failure comes up

>>

>> A traditional liberal ploy.

>

>Traditional AMERICAN question.

GoMavs is a Bush worshipper who hates America and loves fascism.

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http://www.iraqwar.org/micomplex.htm

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition

of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the

military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of

misplaced power exists and will persist." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:53:10 GMT, "Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com> wrote:

>"BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" <bongblaster54@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>> it is like the inexperience of bush and his losing quagmire in iraq?

>

>The current administration has the best history of experience against the

>current crisis..

Bush made terrorism worse.

>with that said, this has nothing to do with bush and everything to do with

>Obama...

Wrong. It has everything to do with Bush:

U.S. Warns Of Stronger Al-Qaeda

Administration Report Cites Havens in Pakistan

By Spencer S. Hsu and Walter Pincus

July 12, 2007

Six years after the Bush administration declared war on al-Qaeda, the

terrorist network is gaining strength and has established a safe haven

in remote tribal areas of western Pakistan for training and planning

attacks, according to a new Bush administration intelligence report to

be discussed today at a White House meeting.

The report, a five-page threat assessment compiled by the National

Counterterrorism Center, is titled "Al-Qaida Better Positioned to

Strike the West," intelligence officials said. It concludes that the

group has significantly rebuilt itself despite concerted U.S. attempts

to smash the network.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071102443.html

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight

By Karen DeYoung

September 24, 2006

The war in Iraq has become a primary recruitment vehicle for violent

Islamic extremists, motivating a new generation of potential

terrorists around the world whose numbers may be increasing faster

than the United States and its allies can reduce the threat, U.S.

intelligence analysts have concluded.

A 30-page National Intelligence Estimate completed in April cites the

"centrality" of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the insurgency that has

followed, as the leading inspiration for new Islamic extremist

networks and cells that are united by little more than an anti-Western

agenda. It concludes that, rather than contributing to eventual

victory in the global counterterrorism struggle, the situation in Iraq

has worsened the U.S. position, according to officials familiar with

the classified document.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092301130.html

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http://www.counterpunch.org/mokhiber04232004.html

http://www.iraqwar.org/micomplex.htm

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition

of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the

military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of

misplaced power exists and will persist." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

There's been news upon news about Al-Quada being within it's last

throws along the mountain line in Pakistan.

Currenty Pakistan is becoming a safe haven for terrorists

It's logical to enact the military there.

If folks are worried about nuclear superpowers, then they should

really fear Iran! Iran has an airforce and a Navy!

On Aug 1, 8:40 pm, "Go Mavs" <M...@ericks.com> wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

>

> WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals

> slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest sending

> GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that, "if

> President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>

> "Frankly, I am not sure what Barack is calling for in his speech this

> morning. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to leave even the impression

> the United States would needlessly and publicly provoke a nuclear power,"

> said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.

>

> In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in

> Washington, D.C., - billed as a major foreign policy address - Obama said

> that as commander in chief he would remove troops from Iraq and put them "on

> the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

>

> He offered harsh words to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who has been

> the target of assassination attempts for his efforts to aid the United

> States in rooting out terrorist havens in the northwestern region of his

> country.

>

> "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me

> make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who

> murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said.

> "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and

> President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>

> Obama said he would place heavy conditions on the hundreds of millions of

> dollars in U.S. military aid if Pakistan isn't up to the task of combating

> terrorists.

>

> "Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps,

> evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as

> a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan," he said.

>

> Obama's critics said being confrontational toward Pakistan doesn't help

> fight the War on Terror.

>

> Hunting down Usama bin Laden and stopping terrorists from acquiring nuclear

> weapons is a priority, Dodd said. "But I will not declare my intentions for

> specific military action to the media in the context of a political

> campaign."

>

> "My international experience tells me that we should address this problem

> with tough diplomacy with General Musharraf first, leaving the military as a

> last resort. It is important to reach out to moderate Muslim states and

> allies to ensure we do not unnecessarily inflame the Muslim world," said New

> Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, another 2008 Democratic presidential candidate.

>

> Sen. Joe Biden said he wrote the recently passed law that conditions aid to

> Pakistan on its cooperation with the United States in combating Al Qaeda and

> the Taliban.

>

> "Before writing the law, Biden wrote to President Musharraf and Secretary

> (of State Condoleezza) Rice making clear his intent to do so," a statement

> from Biden's campaign reads.

>

> The statement then went on to ridicule Obama for not asking Amb. John

> Negroponte at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in January

> anything about Afghanistan or the Taliban, and quoted him discussing the

> "stunning level of mercury in fish."

>

> "It's good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but

> this can hardly be considered bold leadership." said Biden campaign manager

> Luis Navarro.

>

> In his remarks, Obama had plenty of criticism of President Bush for his

> handling of the War on Terror.

>

> "The president would have us believe that every bomb in Baghdad is part of

> Al Qaeda's war against us, not an Iraqi civil war. He elevates Al Qaeda in

> Iraq - which didn't exist before our invasion - and overlooks the people who

> hit us on 9/11, who are training new recruits in Pakistan," Obama said,

> adding: "He confuses our mission."

>

> Bush has said he would order military action if intelligence showed top

> terror leaders were hiding in Afghanistan, but the relationship with

> Musharraf has been friendly and cooperative.

>

> White House spokesman Tony Snow said none of the administration's policies

> about keeping military options open to respond to actionable intelligence

> precludes working with the Pakistanis. He cited the capture of Khalid Sheikh

> Mohammed as an example of an important joint operation that yielded

> successful results.

>

> "Our approach to Pakistan is one that not only respects the sovereignty of

> Pakistan as a sovereign government, but is also designed to work in a way

> where we are working in cooperation with the local government," he said.

>

> In his remarks, Obama made no mention of Democratic frontrunner Sen. Hillary

> Clinton. She called his foreign policy views last week naive and has

> continued to build a growing lead in the polls amid increasingly vocal

> concerns among Democratic voters about Obama's relative lack of experience.

>

> While she and other Democrats say the United States is safer since Sept. 11,

> 2001, Obama continues to disagree.

>

> "Because of a war in Iraq that should never have been authorized and should

> never have been waged, we are now less safe than we were before 9/11," he

> said.

In article <8Casi.1444$BQ.539@trnddc03>, Mav@ericks.com says...

>

>

>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

>

>

>

>WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals

>slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest sending

>GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that, "if

>President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>

(Snip)

I think this is the end of Obama's candidacy.

slo sez:

"6 years after 9/11, OBL is still at large. Heckuva job, Bushie..."

______________________________

Please list the things you have done when it comes to killing or capturing

OBL, as you say?

Take your time...

Sex education for al Qaeda!!! Just say it with confidence and people

will think you actually know what you're doing.

Go Mavs <Mav@ericks.com> wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

>

>

>

> WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals

> slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest sending

> GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that, "if

> President Musharraf won't act, we will."

On Aug 2, 10:08 am, "Docky Wocky" <mrch...@lst.net> wrote:

> slo sez:

>

> "6 years after 9/11, OBL is still at large. Heckuva job, Bushie..."

> ______________________________

> Please list the things you have done when it comes to killing or capturing

> OBL, as you say?

>

> Take your time...

Well, maybe this isn't obvious to you but...., I'M NOT THE FREAKEEN

PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!

"Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in

news:5hde0qF3ji2ulU1@mid.individual.net:

>

> "Go Mavs" <Mav@ericks.com> wrote in message

> news:8Casi.1444$BQ.539@trnddc03...

>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291788,00.html

>>

>>

>>

>> WASHINGTON - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential

>> rivals slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to

>> suggest sending GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists,

>> declaring that, "if President Musharraf won't act, we will."

>>

>

>

> He guy is a kitten being thrown to the wolves.

> He deserves it for being presumptuousness to enter the big leagues as

> a rank amateur.

>

> Jim E

Keep believing that. But speaking of rank amateurs, that's what Bush was

and still is.

His only political experience was as Gov. of Texas. Texas's governor has

less political power than probably Rhode Island's.

He ran all of the businesses he was involved with into the ground.

Kinda like Daddy Warbucks Bush and Zapata Energy, the company he

founded. It's now a fish oil monger.

Hey, at least it's still in the earl bidnezz.

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On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:37:20 GMT, "Where_Was_George"

<wherewasgeorge@netscape.net> wrote:

>> He guy is a kitten being thrown to the wolves.

>> He deserves it for being presumptuousness to enter the big leagues as

>> a rank amateur.

>>

>> Jim E

>

>Keep believing that. But speaking of rank amateurs, that's what Bush was

>and still is.

>

>His only political experience was as Gov. of Texas. Texas's governor has

>less political power than probably Rhode Island's.

blink

I don't believe you said such a stupid thing in public. Oil? Johnson

Space Center? You think the Governor of Texas has no political power?

>He ran all of the businesses he was involved with into the ground.

No, he didn't. He never got them off the ground except that time he

managed it at the taxpayer's expense.

>Kinda like Daddy Warbucks Bush and Zapata Energy, the company he

>founded. It's now a fish oil monger.

Doesn't look like fish oil to me.

http://www.zapata.ca/

>Hey, at least it's still in the earl bidnezz.

And you've proven both bias and unreliability.

Swill

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On Aug 3, 12:54 am, Governor Swill <governor.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:37:20 GMT, "Where_Was_George"

>

> <wherewasgeo...@netscape.net> wrote:

> >> He guy is a kitten being thrown to the wolves.

> >> He deserves it for being presumptuousness to enter the big leagues as

> >> a rank amateur.

>

> >> Jim E

>

> >Keep believing that. But speaking of rank amateurs, that's what Bush was

> >and still is.

>

> >His only political experience was as Gov. of Texas. Texas's governor has

> >less political power than probably Rhode Island's.

>

> blink

>

> I don't believe you said such a stupid thing in public. Oil? Johnson

> Space Center? You think the Governor of Texas has no political power?

Feel free to cite those powers.

> >He ran all of the businesses he was involved with into the ground.

>

> No, he didn't. He never got them off the ground except that time he

> managed it at the taxpayer's expense.

Harken Energy, Cateraire etc. Even the Ranger's stadium was someone

else's project.

He was just a "name" who's purpose was to help persuade the state to

take other people's property to build a privately-owned stadium.

> >Kinda like Daddy Warbucks Bush and Zapata Energy, the company he

> >founded. It's now a fish oil monger.

>

> Doesn't look like fish oil to me.http://www.zapata.ca/

Zapata Takes Over Bianca's Smut Shack

Former fish-oil firm hopes recent spree of Web-site buys will make it

a Net contender

Jon Swartz, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, July 17, 1998

Ay Caramba!

The Houston company named after the movie ``Viva Zapata!'' yesterday

bought its 24th Web site since April.

Zapata Corp., a fish processor that is reinventing itself as an online

contender, has purchased San Francisco-based BiancaTroll Productions

Inc., best known for Smut Shack, a sex-oriented chat room. Zapata said

80,000 people a day visit Bianca's chat rooms, which also feature

topics such as religion, family and hobbies.

Bianca is considered a crucial piece in Zapata's newfound strategy to

create an online community to rival America Online and cash in on the

Internet boom.

``From what we can tell, (Zapata) seems to have a good grasp on what

they want to do online,'' Bianca co-founder Dave Thau said.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

``We've been laughed at before as a fish-oil company going high tech,

but we don't take it personally,'' Zapata CEO Avie Glazer said. ``And

let me assure you, no one is laughing anymore.'' ...

Started by former President George Bush in 1953, Zapata has taken

strategic detours before. It began as an oil exploration and currently

makes most of its money selling fish meal and sausage casings.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/07/17/BU75152.DTL

> >Hey, at least it's still in the earl bidnezz.

>

> And you've proven both bias and unreliability.

Wishful thinking.

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