Do women manipulate men?

I wanted to create a new thread from the old one to avoid further off topic discussion in that thread.

It is my possition that women are far superior in the manipulative arts and men are mostly just clueless on what is happening to them.

I reach to "Lady Misato" for some points because she has a kind of cult following with a lot of women:

Taking control of sex entails training your husband that sex is for your benefit, not his. It is not the case that he is no longer to be allowed to enjoy sex. On the contrary, you will find that under the new arrangement he will be more excited and satisfied than ever. It is simply that even when sex is directed at your satisfaction, your husband will inevitably be satisfied as well.

You are worthy of his adoration by the very fact, alone, that you are married. You need no further justification than that. You are his wife therefore he should adore you. That is his duty and responsibility as your husband.

 

Don't worry if you lack confidence in the beginning. You can take small steps to find your way. Your confidence will grow with positive results. But do not confuse your initial lack of confidence with a lack of commitment. Be committed and find your way to fulfilling that commitment.

 

Age is not a factor. Weight is not a factor. Beauty is not a factor. These things are simply not relevant. Sexual attraction is 90% mental, only 10% physical. You will be surprised how unimportant conventional standards of beauty are. You don't need to be a beauty queen to be a sex goddess. It's all about how you act, not how you look. It's the attitude.

 

This works for one very simple reason: Your husband needs and desires to adore you. He may not be consciously aware of it but the male psychology fundamentally desires pursuit. Just as you desire to be courted so your husband desires to court. It's our nature as human beings. You need only exploit that desire.

 

The nature of his desire is, fundamentally, sexual. Sex is his primal goal. Sexual desire is what stimulates his romantic passion. And, therefore, it is your means.

 

Male sexual desire is, in turn, stimulated by challenge. Yes, that's right. The greater the challenge, the greater the sexual desire. No wonder then that marriage without courtship becomes stale. When your husband no longer has to pursue you for sex he loses passion. And your desire for his attention only leads to frustration and disappointment for both of you.

 

You have, within you, a power. An erotic power. That power was not lost with your youth. It is there still waiting to be reawakened. You must reawaken that power within you.

 

To become the object of his adoration, to become Queen of your household, you must learn to comfortably and confidently wield your erotic power over your husband.

Exercising erotic power is as simple as placing hurdles for your husband to overcome in your sexual relationship. For example, you might require that you husband wash the dishes before sex. Of course, its great that he does the dishes. But that is not the point. The point is that he will be excited by the challenge you have put in front of him and you will be excited by his efforts to overcome that challenge.

 

Erotic power is irrestibly effective because it is subversive of the male ego and defense behaviors. Simply put, he will not know how to resist you. Indeed, it may never occur to him to do so!

 

Erotic power provides the male ego with an excuse for giving in to you. Instead of arousing his urge to fight, you are arousing his urge to surrender. When you exercise power over your husband erotically your husband will not recognize this as a challenge to his ego. Instead, he will rationalize that your power over him is of such a nature that it is understood that males are not expected to resist.

Indulge your wildest fantasies. Set yourself upon a pedestal and watch your husband worship at your feet as you lead him around by his sexual desires. It's amazing how many aspects of your life your erotic power will touch.

Real Women Don't Do Housework

An interesting read on the skill of manipulation in comparison between men and women:

http://www.scsv.nevada.edu/~eigroup/img/conference%20posters/Sex%20Differences%20in%20CPF%20and%20CPB%2017handout.pdf

Apparently I don't play enough mind games.

Some of her stuff is spot on...like the confidence etc...but I have no interest in all that other baloney.

"Put myself on a pedestal"...err...I'd get knocked down pretty quick lol.

Just checked out her website. Sure women use sex to get things done for sure...but I sincerely hope most women don't treat men like that.

I've never heard of "Lady Misato".

I'm not interested in manipulating or controlling anyone. I prefer men who have a mind of their own and appreciate that I do, too.

Meh.

The point is there are a million ways you women use to manipulate people in general (see study findings I linked) as well as men specifically.

Holding back sex or just pouting the range of methods are very large but the idea is simple, do whatever you need to do to get the man to do what you want.

I remember reading something about 30 years ago where it was said that women do not fall in love with a man as he is but instead of who they believe they can turn him into.

The point is there are a million ways you women use to manipulate people in general (see study findings I linked) as well as men specifically.

 

Holding back sex or just pouting the range of methods are very large but the idea is simple, do whatever you need to do to get the man to do what you want.

 

 

I remember reading something about 30 years ago where it was said that women do not fall in love with a man as he is but instead of who they believe they can turn him into.

The last part is true I think. Women can be stupid. Men are incapable of changing who they are lol. However that being said...men use money and pouting for manipulation as well. It's a two way street, but we do have the corner market on sex manipulation Suckers!!!

Men try, but we are way out of our league against women.

I was not trying to be hateful or nasty tword women with my comments here or in the other thread EM, I was just pointing out we all have our skills and women are good at manipulating men, sex or anythign else you guys have our number.

I am a sucker for Tami and my daughter, my mom too, and my two sisters, the two girls who do my paperwork at the main job, half the ladies at church, and the other half of the ladues at church, the Christian services center has three ladies who can get me to do whatever they need.............

Pretty much every woman I spend any real time around can get me to do what they want me to do if they can get me to stand still long enough to talk to me.

But for some reason, I can't get upset about that, it just seems that is the way it should be.....now that does sometimes cause me to wonder why it feels natural though......

as one not to rely much on what a certain longstanding thorn in my side like to quote, I can't help but think that TJ hates "women" as a group as much as he thinks Ali hates "men" as a group.

very interesting.

as one not to rely much on what a certain longstanding thorn in my side like to quote, I can't help but think that TJ hates "women" as a group as much as he thinks Ali hates "men" as a group.

 

 

very interesting.

hahaha.. read my mind.. my clear eyed friend..

btw.. who's the thorn?

TJ sure is strugglin' to find himself a gender hating scapegoat aint he? Wonder why??

Interesting to be sure.. hahaha

I'm like emkay. I don't withhold sex to get what I want. Why should I punish myself?????

When I do fight with my partner, I tend to withdraw physically, emotionally, etc... for as long as it takes so I can calm down and determine if my anger is justified or not. Usually it is, but not always. Then I prefer that we discuss the problem like adults and come to a solution/agreement that we're both satisfied with.

I do know women who cry and pout to get what they want and frankly, I think it's disgusting. If I cry in front of a man, it's because I'm truly frustrated or hurt....not because he won't buy me a new pair of shoes or a Dyson vacuum cleaner. That's just fukking dumb!

When I was 18, I traded up my car and bought a new one. I wanted to do it myself, so my dad coached me a bit before I went in to talk to the salesman. MY OWN FATHER told me to "turn on the waterworks" so the dealer would feel sorry for me and give me a better deal! Instead, I drove a hard bargain and got myself a sweet buy on my negotiation skills alone. I'd rather have someone respect me than feel pity toward me ANY day of the week!

And I'm still that way.

as one not to rely much on what a certain longstanding thorn in my side like to quote, I can't help but think that TJ hates "women" as a group as much as he thinks Ali hates "men" as a group.

 

 

very interesting.

Where did I ever say Ali hates men as a group? I dare you to post one quote of me ever saying that.

What I said is clear, why do you guys constantly twist my words?

I said Ali likes to blame men for what women do, and that is true. But I do not believe for a second that Ali really believes women are gullible victims as she protrays them. She is just derailing conversations away from things she does not like being talked about.

And yes, that is another example of how women are constantly manipulating things....

Where did I ever say Ali hates men as a group? I dare you to post one quote of me ever saying that.

 

What I said is clear, why do you guys constantly twist my words?

 

I said Ali likes to blame men for what women do, and that is true. But I do not believe for a second that Ali really believes women are gullible victims as she protrays them. She is just derailing conversations away from things she does not like being talked about.

 

 

And yes, that is another example of how women are constantly manipulating things....

Damn, eddo! It wasn't his fault. The devil made him do it.

I said Ali likes to blame men for what women do, and that is true. But I do not believe for a second that Ali really believes women are gullible victims as she protrays them. She is just derailing conversations away from things she does not like being talked about.

 

 

And yes, that is another example of how women are constantly manipulating things....

Are YOU seriously going to derail yet another thread with this sh!t?????????

Unfukkingbelievable.

Are YOU seriously going to derail yet another thread with this sh!t?????????

 

Unfukkingbelievable.

So what eddo said gets no comment at all?

I was "RESPONDING" to him, do not try to blame me for starting anything Ali.

Did it ever occur to you eddo likes to stir sh!t too?

So what eddo said gets no comment at all?

 

I was "RESPONDING" to him, do not try to blame me for starting anything Ali.

 

 

Did it ever occur to you eddo likes to stir sh!t too?

We know. The devil made you do it.

We know. The devil made you do it.

well eddo is not the only one who likes to stir the pot, lol.

well eddo is not the only one who likes to stir the pot, lol.

Yes, the devil keeps causing all men to fall under the feminine whiles of the she devils of the world.

eddo isn't alone.

No, men do it to ourselves, we fall for it so we are to blame.

I say all the time that a woman can lie to a man and say she is on the pill just to get pregnant by him, while it was the woman who lied, the man was the one who trusted her enough to place himself in that situation.

I never said men were quiltless, I just said women were manipulating them.

So are manipulators bad....or are they clever?

Both, it all depends on what your doing I suppose. If you manipulate someone into doing the "right" thing like not killing a baby, then I suppose that is clever and even good. If your manipulating someone to serve your own ego, or to hurt someone then your bad.

Are manippleators bad?

I just love the way that sounds, lol.

I guess this would also be based on the nipples in question

I never said men were quiltless, I just said women were manipulating them.

Exactly!

I own three quilts.

Dipsh!t.

Is communication between people based on spelling or understanding?

I am the first to admit I screw up spelling all the time, but at the same time what I say is easy to understand so as long as I get my point made, I really do not care if it upsets those who try to be the spelling police on the internet.

Is communication between people based on spelling or understanding?

 

I am the first to admit I screw up spelling all the time, but at the same time what I say is easy to understand so as long as I get my point made, I really do not care if it upsets those who try to be the spelling police on the internet.

 

If we were having this conversation over, let's say a cup of coffee, would you pronounce "guilt" as "quilt"?

If we were having this conversation over, let's say a cup of coffee, would you pronounce "guilt" as "quilt"?

Depends on where I am from in the world....right? Ever listen to an Asian say "fried rice"?

But we can play the what-if all day long, we are not speaking, we are writing and what I wrote was understandable......I have never understood people who try to be the spelling police on the internet.

Besides, I knew what I was saying, I just hit the wrong key so in a verbal conversation over a cup of coffee, you would have heard the correct word, just because I misspell the word that does not mean I would pronounce the word wrong.

Depends on where I am from in the world....right? Ever listen to an Asian say "fried rice"?

 

 

But we can play the what-if all day long, we are not speaking, we are writing and what I wrote was understandable......I have never understood people who try to be the spelling police on the internet.

 

 

Besides, I knew what I was saying, I just hit the wrong key so in a verbal conversation over a cup of coffee, you would have heard the correct word, just because I misspell the word that does not mean I would pronounce the word wrong.

So....... by that rationale you're just a blathering, rambling jackass?

You just talk to hear yourself speak?

You don't think before you speak?