EVIDENCE OF NO REAL GODS

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robert

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This both an invitation and a challenge to religionists to provide objective
verifiable evidence that there is some REAL God that we need to cater to



A primary one is that there are thousands of different gods and god beliefs.
Any REAL god would surely make it abundantly clear, that he is the real god
and all the others are fakes. He would surely use his unlimited power to
expose and eliminate all the fakes. Why would he permit his creations to be
misled by all these false gods?



If there was a REAL would he not destroy the thousands of false gods and

establish his authenticity, wishes and commands directly from his heaven.

If man can communicate with the whole world by Phone, Radio, the Internet
and TV it obviously would be no problem for any real god to communicate
directly with his creations without thousands of intermediates of
questionable veracity.



Why would not a real god announce directly and authoritatively from his
heaven,

that he is the real god and what documents are authentic and which are fakes
and

destroy them? He certainly should want to prevent his creations from being.

deceived and mislead



Although billions of people have died there is not a single 'authenticated
and proven'

case where anyone of them has ever communicated with their living children,

spouses or friends.



Why would god not allow these souls in his heaven to explain and confirm the

virtues, benefits and even the existence of his heaven? Logic says it is
because they

don't exist after death!



All religions are ALL based on ancient myths and tales and NO god has
directly AUTHENTICATED ANY of them.



Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio and the postal service. IF there is a real God, why does he
not announce to the whole world from his heaven, by at least equally
effective means, that he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And
why does he not tell us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead
of using hundreds of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents,
compiled by different religions and hundreds of men of unknown veracity? Why
does he not expose and smite all the false Gods and doctrines?



An all powerful creator of this huge Universe would have no need or desire
for people to sing hymns and waste their time on their knees in adulation.
This type of thing is the practice of greedy leaders with a need to satisfy
their selfish egos.



An all powerful creator of this huge Universe and everything in it would
have no need or desire to create, Sin, Devils, Evil, Spirits or Hells


There would be no need for basing ones life on 'FAITH' and the preaching's
of errant selfish men because we would have direct communication and
authentification directly from this all powerful REAL God



There is no evidence that any of these Gods communicate with any fully sane
persons.



No dead fathers, mothers relatives or friends ever verify there heaven or
hell with their living siblings or friends.



There is an overwhelming multitude of religions and god beliefs.

They can't all be true and no REAL God would permit this massive deception
of his creations.



Major religions;


Baha'i Faith
Buddhism
Adventist
Jehovah's Witnesses
British Israelism
Southern Baptists
American Baptists

Catholics
Christian Science
Amish
Brethren
Mennonites
Quakers
Shakers
Plymouth Brethren
Fundamentalists
Twin Oaks
Confucianism
Hinduism
Islam
Jainism
Judaism
Shinto
Sikhism
Taoism
Vodun (Voodoo)
Neopagan Religious Faiths
Asatru (Norse Paganism)
Druidism
Goddess Worship
Wicca
Witchcraft
Caodaism
Damanhur Community
Druse
Eckankar
Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Gnosticism
Gypsies
Hare Krishna - ISKCON
Lukumi
Macumba
Mowahhidoon
Native American Spirituality
Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Satanism; The Church of Satan
Scientology
Unitarian-Universalism
The Creativity Movement
Zoroastrianism



Any all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent designer, would
not create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation all of which punish people indiscriminately
regardless of their behavior or religious beliefs. If he did he would not be
an all loving all caring god but a brutal malevolent creature or nothing at
all. There are 12,000 known diseases that torture and kill man. The reality
is that no all loving and all powerful god would create or permit these
diseases to punish men of all religious persuasion and particularly totally
INNOCENT CHILDREN.



Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent gods;



Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him a god?



Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is things
seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.



There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any Gods, Heavens, Sin,
Hells, Devils or Angels exist except in the imaginations of man. These
beliefs are held to help people deal with their panic fear of death and what
comes after.



When there is NO objective verifiable evidence for some things existence it
is logical to assume it does no exist. The LACK of evidence is not evidence
of some things existence.



The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)
 
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:02:11 +0100, "robert" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>This both an invitation and a challenge to religionists to provide objective
>verifiable evidence that there is some REAL God that we need to cater to
>

I'll accept the "invitation" but I'm not looking for a "challenge" or
any caustic argumentation...just friendly discussion. You are entitled
to your interpretations and mind set, just as much as any of us, and I
by no means claim to be error free and perfect. I'm still learning.
>
>
>A primary one is that there are thousands of different gods and god beliefs.
>Any REAL god would surely make it abundantly clear, that he is the real god
>and all the others are fakes. He would surely use his unlimited power to
>expose and eliminate all the fakes. Why would he permit his creations to be
>misled by all these false gods?
>

To answer this we would first have to determine just what God has
going and how he is implementing it. My take on this is that we
hominids are presently going through a hands-on learning phase during
which we are expected to learn enough about sin and rebellion to
assure God that we will never want to go back and explore it any
further, once we have been granted immortality and sovereignty.

This learning phase had to be our personal experience, with our
ability to make lots of choices along the way. That is, had God just
pre-programmed us to do his will and not be attracted to sin and
rebellion, we would be nothing more than puppets, and this isn't what
God wants of us.
>
>If there was a REAL God would he not destroy the thousands of false gods and
>establish his authenticity, wishes and commands directly from his heaven.
>

Not necessarily. These false gods serve some "educational" purpose to
all of us. We don't have to embrace and worship these false gods to
learn about this form of sin and rebellion. All we have to do is
observe the end result for those who do embrace these false gods.
>


>If man can communicate with the whole world by Phone, Radio, the Internet
>and TV it obviously would be no problem for any real god to communicate
>directly with his creations without thousands of intermediates of
>questionable veracity.
>

I'm sure God could communicate with everyone just as you say, but if
He did, would any of us have anything even approaching free will?
Wouldn't we all be cowed into compliance? And would any of us ever
have an opportunity to explore sin and rebellion, and get it out of
our system forever?
>
>Why would not a real god announce directly and authoritatively from his
>heaven, that he is the real god and what documents are authentic and which are fakes
>and destroy them? He certainly should want to prevent his creations from being.
>deceived and mislead
>

God does communicate by means of the Holy Spirit to those who have
reached the point where they are ready to exercise their sovereign
will to turn away from sin and rebellion.
>
>Although billions of people have died there is not a single 'authenticated
>and proven' case where anyone of them has ever communicated with their living children,
>spouses or friends.
>
>Why would god not allow these souls in his heaven to explain and confirm the
>virtues, benefits and even the existence of his heaven? Logic says it is
>because they don't exist after death!
>

Again, turn the question around and ask yourself, would you have
anything approaching sovereign will if God did this? The key idea in
all this is that we are here to learn about sin and rebellion, and we
wouldn't learn much about it if we were protected from the plethora of
effects.

The only way any of us can ever mature into immortal sovereign beings
who are not simply puppets is for us to each experience the effects of
sin and rebellion, and from this learning process, make our own
sovereign decisions as to which side of the line we want to be
on...with God or apart from God throughout eternity. God isn't going
to shove this decision down anyone's throat, so to speak.
>
>All religions are ALL based on ancient myths and tales and NO god has
>directly AUTHENTICATED ANY of them.
>

Would those ancient people have been able to grasp the messages had
the information been given in modern 21st century scientific
vernacular? Can we modern, educated people decipher the meaning from
those ancient writings and fit them into to our 21st century way of
thinking? Would it have been fair to those ancient people had God
given the information to them in a form that no one could understand
for some 2 to 3 thousand years?
>
>Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
>Phone and Radio and the postal service. IF there is a real God, why does he
>not announce to the whole world from his heaven, by at least equally
>effective means, that he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And
>why does he not tell us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead
>of using hundreds of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents,
>compiled by different religions and hundreds of men of unknown veracity? Why
>does he not expose and smite all the false Gods and doctrines?
>
>
>
>An all powerful creator of this huge Universe would have no need or desire
>for people to sing hymns and waste their time on their knees in adulation.
>This type of thing is the practice of greedy leaders with a need to satisfy
>their selfish egos.
>

It isn't that God has a need for anyone to sing hymns or pray to Him,
but we do need this sort of emotionally based experience in our
learning process.
>
>An all powerful creator of this huge Universe and everything in it would
>have no need or desire to create, Sin, Devils, Evil, Spirits or Hells
>

God created the multiverse with EVERYTHING included, even sin, devils,
etc. Had he not included these, His creation would not have been
complete, and incomplete equates too "not perfect." God is now in the
process of separating that which is good from that which is not good.
When this process is completed, there will no longer be anything "not
good" in God's domain, and there will no longer be anything "good" in
Satan's domain.
>
>There would be no need for basing ones life on 'FAITH' and the preaching's
>of errant selfish men because we would have direct communication and
>authentification directly from this all powerful REAL God
>

Keep in mind that God operates from an eternity temporal perspective.
We live in a time temporal space/time universe. Things that take a
very long time from our perspective are done instantly from God's
perspective.
>
>There is no evidence that any of these Gods communicate with any fully sane
>persons.
>

Prophecy that has fulfilled itself is a very strong argument against
the statement you made above.
>
>No dead fathers, mothers relatives or friends ever verify there heaven or
>hell with their living siblings or friends.
>
>There is an overwhelming multitude of religions and god beliefs.
>
>They can't all be true and no REAL God would permit this massive deception
>of his creations.
>

You are right, they are not true, but they do serve a useful purpose.
We learn from all those human errors. And. learning is what this life
is all about.
>
>Major religions;
>
>
>Baha'i Faith
>Buddhism
>Adventist
>Jehovah's Witnesses
>British Israelism
>Southern Baptists
>American Baptists
>
>Catholics
>Christian Science
>Amish
>Brethren
>Mennonites
>Quakers
>Shakers
>Plymouth Brethren
>Fundamentalists
>Twin Oaks
>Confucianism
>Hinduism
>Islam
>Jainism
>Judaism
>Shinto
>Sikhism
>Taoism
>Vodun (Voodoo)
>Neopagan Religious Faiths
>Asatru (Norse Paganism)
>Druidism
>Goddess Worship
>Wicca
>Witchcraft
>Caodaism
>Damanhur Community
>Druse
>Eckankar
>Elian Gonzalez religious movement
>Gnosticism
>Gypsies
>Hare Krishna - ISKCON
>Lukumi
>Macumba
>Mowahhidoon
>Native American Spirituality
>Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
>Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement
>Satanism; The Church of Satan
>Scientology
>Unitarian-Universalism
>The Creativity Movement
>Zoroastrianism
>
>
>
>Any all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent designer, would
>not create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
>Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
>malfunctions and starvation all of which punish people indiscriminately
>regardless of their behavior or religious beliefs. If he did he would not be
>an all loving all caring god but a brutal malevolent creature or nothing at
>all. There are 12,000 known diseases that torture and kill man. The reality
>is that no all loving and all powerful god would create or permit these
>diseases to punish men of all religious persuasion and particularly totally
>INNOCENT CHILDREN.
>
>
>
>Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent gods;
>
>
>
>Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
>Then he is not omnipotent.
>Is he able, but not willing?
>Then he is malevolent.
>Is he both able and willing?
>Then where does evil come from?
>Is he neither able nor willing?
>Then why call him a god?
>
>
>
>Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is things
>seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.
>
>
>
>There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any Gods, Heavens, Sin,
>Hells, Devils or Angels exist except in the imaginations of man. These
>beliefs are held to help people deal with their panic fear of death and what
>comes after.
>
>
>
>When there is NO objective verifiable evidence for some things existence it
>is logical to assume it does no exist. The LACK of evidence is not evidence
>of some things existence.
>
>
>
>The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
>that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
"robert" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:qmyKj.19540$%15.3131@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
> This both an invitation and a challenge to religionists to provide
> objective verifiable evidence that there is some REAL God that we need to
> cater to
>

Aren't you the dumb-ass scrooge who won't spend a nickel to own one
of
my guaranteed genuine authentic, objective, verifiably existing, gods of
ancient vintage?
I am waiting for your order, and have been so for a long time, you old
tightwad.
 
"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:6lclv3pak7f53sfe0nen218hu2v993gflc@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:02:11 +0100, "robert" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>This both an invitation and a challenge to religionists to provide
>>objective
>>verifiable evidence that there is some REAL God that we need to cater to
>>

Aren't you the dumb-ass scrooge who won't spend a nickel to own one of
my guaranteed genuine authentic, objective, verifiably existing, gods of
ancient vintage?
I am waiting for your order, and have been so for a long time, you old
tightwad.
 
"robert" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:qmyKj.19540$%15.3131@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> This both an invitation and a challenge to religionists to provide
> objective verifiable evidence that there is some REAL God that we need to
> cater to



of course there isn't a god, it's all a bunch of horseshit.
even christian nutcase duke doesn't have any evidence of his sky pixie

and with religious nutcase duke, when you ask for proof of his sky pixie,
then he just shuts up and ignores you, which means that he has no proof, and
he admits that the christian giod and the christian religion are nothing
more than the HORSESHIT RAMBLINGS of a bunch of superstitious cave dwellers
and goat ****ers

if 3,000 years ago, the superstitious sand people started worshipping the
great white bunny, today the religious fruitcakes would be worshipping the
great white bunny instead of rthe sky pixie christian god
 
Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:6lclv3pak7f53sfe0nen218hu2v993gflc@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:02:11 +0100, "robert" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>This both an invitation and a challenge to religionists to provide
> >>objective
> >>verifiable evidence that there is some REAL God that we need to cater to
> >>

> Aren't you the dumb-ass scrooge who won't spend a nickel to own one of
> my guaranteed genuine authentic, objective, verifiably existing, gods of
> ancient vintage?
> I am waiting for your order, and have been so for a long time, you old
> tightwad.


If this is the pathetic repetitive garbage that following imaginary gods
leads to
then all I can say is
 
Pastor Frank wrote:

> "robert" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:qmyKj.19540$%15.3131@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > This both an invitation and a challenge to religionists to provide
> > objective verifiable evidence that there is some REAL God that we need to
> > cater to
> >

> Aren't you the dumb-ass scrooge who won't spend a nickel to own one
> of
> my guaranteed genuine authentic, objective, verifiably existing, gods of
> ancient vintage?
> I am waiting for your order, and have been so for a long time, you old
> tightwad.


See my earlier post
 
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