italiano_Pride Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 This is down right creepy. Are we there yet? The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt Free Inquiry magazine Spring 2003 Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry , Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Careful now. There is a place set aside for rabid leftist propagandists such as yourself. Hint: it's in Cuba. Oh, and you failed to mention invading other countries under false pretenses, bombing them back to the stone age, then falling back on the old "spreading democracy" ruse. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Oh, as a confirmed Moderate, I still have to agree with the researcher. Interesting stuff. Grab a cup of coffee; it won't be long for the uber-nationalists wardmd and snafu and the ever so confused fullauto to come and bash on you! Keep up the good work! Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano_Pride Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Thanks man, and yes, I expect them to come soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 My thinly veiled sarcasm is exposed. Why are dissidents sent to Cuba? Why doesn't such a patriotic right-wing people have issues with using such a despotically ruled nation for bum-slapping and genital manipulation of dissidents? Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano_Pride Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 God, we need the American version of Jose Marti right about now, speaking of such shit as Cuba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrade Vostok Hazard Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 My thinly veiled sarcasm is exposed. Why are dissidents sent to Cuba? Why doesn't such a patriotic right-wing people have issues with using such a despotically ruled nation for bum-slapping and genital manipulation of dissidents? Third world nations are used as grounds for dirty work because 1) They can get away with it in these countries which have little to no human rights policies and because 2) Most third world countries lack the power to do anything about it. This is why they don't have issues with it. The right wingers need somewhere to get away with their dirty work. Quote All bullshit, No Business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrade Vostok Hazard Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 This is down right creepy. Are we there yet? The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt Free Inquiry magazine Spring 2003 Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry , Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine Quote All bullshit, No Business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano_Pride Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 And the only thing keeping the American people from knwoing that Dubya person is a facist is the fact that he keeps using the word freedom. Sad how gullible we've become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano_Pride Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 While i'm on the subject of the president, dosen't anyone see the blinding ethnocentrism behind the war in Iraq? Some countries are better off with dictators, guys, if they are uneducated you need someone to keep order if their is to be any order in the first place. As bad as the word "Dictator" may sound, sometimes one is nessecary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Third world nations are used as grounds for dirty work because 1) They can get away with it in these countries which have little to no human rights policies and because 2) Most third world countries lack the power to do anything about it. This is why they don't have issues with it. The right wingers need somewhere to get away with their dirty work. Second poser: I agree with what you have said, so why are the bible-thumpers not up in arms about sending suspects without charges laid to such a place, knowing full well that there are no controls over what happens there? Unless, of course, they condone torture and human suffering at the hands of fascists. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrade Vostok Hazard Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Second poser: I agree with what you have said, so why are the bible-thumpers not up in arms about sending suspects without charges laid to such a place, knowing full well that there are no controls over what happens there? Unless, of course, they condone torture and human suffering at the hands of fascists. Every bible thumper knows that their god personally talks to dubya. And now all sarcasm aside.... They know that the fascists in power will empower their religion..therefore they keep their mouths shut Quote All bullshit, No Business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano_Pride Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 The Bible Thumpers will always come to power because of one simple fact. Everyone likes a good (Insert Religion Here) person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 So, getting back to the original list, which, at a glance appears to be the reality of the situation at the date of posting, where to from here? The patriot act looks like getting an arse-reaming shortly, and the constitution, while in tatters, will be patched up in a fashion, and the neocons will need another scare campaign to enact new harsher "emergency" legislation. Has nobody yet twigged that the "current threat assessment" does not include rabid islamic nationals? Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullauto Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Modern History Sourcebook: Benito Mussolini: What is Fascism, 1932 Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism - he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper - to the leadership of a new political movement called "fascism" [after "fasces", the symbol of bound sticks used a totem of power in ancient Rome]. Mussolini came to power after the "March on Rome" in 1922, and was appointed Prime Minister by King Victor Emmanuel. In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) and entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism. Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death.... ...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after... ...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano_Pride Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Facism is a form of opression. Benito Mussolini was the opressor of my people. Facism isn't a government it's a form of torture. Just a quick sidenote: I wonder how many people there were who were smart enough to see through Hitler and Mussolini's bullshit but were just to afriad of being killed for defying their government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quarky Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Also one of the key goals of facism is the erosion of the idividual and the rights of the idividual, there right to question the state and to voice there opposition to the policies of the state. It is possible and highly likely we will see the rise of another facist idologically centers politial state sometime in the future, a number of countries are in risk of developing this type of politial center, be it through fear of terrosim, religious idology or through what will initally be the state wanting to protect its citizens from harm, in itself the protection of a sociaty is the role of the state, but when the state begins to remove the rights of the idividual and there right to question the state, the slide to facism is a quick one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano_Pride Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Well of course we will see the rise of another facist society because there will always be someone who will come into power and impose their beliefs upon the weaker. It will always be the person with the most power carrying the biggest stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quarky Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 not just the bigger stick, it has to be the right person Hitler was without doubt one of the best if not the best public speakers the world has ever know, it takes someone with charisma to brain wash the masses, anyone can tell a croud what they want to here, but a true facist can sell it. Mind you I still think Hitler and Mussolini should have been flushed at birth, but at least it put an end to the Arian race bullshit, even though a small moronic minority hold true to its doctrine. At the basis of facism was the basic introllerance towards anyone who is not one of the so called true people, be it race, religion or cultural the same hate applies. What the Nazis did with the death camps was the pinnacle of this thinking, it took the deaths of over 6 million fellow humans to wake the majority of the world up to this, and those who are still in denial, who knows the next facist regime might be intolerant toward the blond and blue eyed people of the world. Also the fear of dictatorships forming from elected goverments is not unfounded, every democratically elected goverment manipulates the information the public hears and every democratic country has the potentional to fall into a fascist dictator ship? Have a read of George Orwell 1986, it has some really disturbing similarities to percent day manipulation of the media and information that is percent by every right wing government presently in power . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Last count, quarky, was 600,000 jews. Not 6 million. More civvies lost their lives in Cambodia. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quarky Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 it was closer to 6 mil, around 5,709,329 http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/bldied.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Have a read of George Orwell 1986, it has some really disturbing similarities to percent day manipulation of the media and information that is percent by every right wing government presently in power . Is that the sequel to 1984? Of course, Mussolini and Hitler were both socialists wiith left wing economic policies. Mussolini was an ex-Marxist before tweaking it to improve economic efficiency. It is much easier for civil rights to be curbed when economic rights are also curbed. McCain/Feingold was the greatest attack on the 1st Amendment since the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. It got the overwhelming support of the left party and enough right support to get by. You need to read some history that does not come from a Godless Commie 101 course. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullauto Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 When you judge a system of governance, you have to take in in two forms... With and without war... War is without a doubt going to skew any sort of measurment and thus makes any judgement almost invalid... If you want to draw lines, do it with and without war... that is the only way to trully judge government... If I were as powerful as Austrailia, and not in war, I would certainly choose republic/capitalist... however, if austrailia were locked in a life or death struggle, I would deffinately choose fascism/capitalist to mobilize the nation to the threat... but I would have to switch back to republic once it was over... The good thing about western governments, is that we allow for emergency powers that can do just that... allow full control of governement in times of war for a limited time but then runs out... Democracy/republic is a very fluid system of governence.... Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quarky Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 If I were as powerful as Austrailia, and not in war, I would certainly choose republic/capitalist... however, if austrailia were locked in a life or death struggle, I would deffinately choose fascism/capitalist to mobilize the nation to the threat... but I would have to switch back to republic once it was over... Agreed, in a state of war the need for security is greater than the need for freedom of speach, during ww2 the allied nations basically became dictatorships, after the war they reverted to democratic rule. I think the worse thing that could happen in regards to any war and I will use the war on terrorism as an example, is for elections to be held and the new leader(s) to unilaterally withdraw. I do not agree with John Howards policies in every respect, his taxation policies, social policies, health care and education policies all suck dogs balls. But in regards to his stance on the wars against terrorism and his support for the usa I agree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quarky Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Is that the sequel to 1984? You need to read some history that does not come from a Godless Commie 101 course. doh sorry type I meant 1984 As to the godless commie 101 quote, bite me Religion and democracy do not go hand in hand, even though the bible bashes would like the world to think so. Hitler and Mussolini were good little catholics, so I guess if they repented for there sins they would be on gods right hand now. Talk about the get out of jail free card, go a killing spreed, butcher who ever you want and if you say you're sorry, all forgiven, what a fucking joke. Please abuse me again, using your religious bull twod, I like the abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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