Feminism

Do you feel feminism is really just a red herring for low self esteem? Do such women use feminism as a defense mechanism for low self worth?

 

As a male, are you intimidated by a woman who can hold her own or do you enjoy your roll as provider and protector?

 

As a woman, do you take a man opening the door for you or paying for your date as a compliment or an insult?

 

Is there anything wrong with a man doting on a woman and wanting to protect her? Are women that love doting on their husband or boyfriends weak and politically incorrect?

 

Do you feel staunch feminists impose their ideals on feminine women or masculine men?

What do you do with a broken Dishwasher?

Slap her and tell her to get back to work.

 

 

What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?

Nothin you ain't already told her twice.

 

 

Why do you not need to buy your wife a watch for her birthday?

Because there is a clock on the stove

 

 

Why was Hellen Keller a bad driver?

Because she was a woman.

What do you do with a broken Dishwasher?

Slap her and tell her to get back to work.

 

 

What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?

Nothin you ain't already told her twice.

 

 

Why do you not need to buy your wife a watch for her birthday?

Because there is a clock on the stove

 

 

Why was Hellen Keller a bad driver?

Because she was a woman.

 

Joke all you want (you know I love you for it!) but do you think you could maybe pop in a serious opinion here and there?

Do you feel feminism is really just a red herring for low self esteem? Do such women use feminism as a defense mechanism for low self worth?

 

Can't really pin where this assumption must come from, though I'd certainly think that any one reason can be slapped on even the majority of feminists, especially since there are many feminists men. This misunderstandings and apathy of people towards feminism is reminiscent of the general sentiment concerning any work for social and human improvement.

 

As a male, are you intimidated by a woman who can hold her own or do you enjoy your roll as provider and protector?

 

I think most men who'd have a problem here are themselves subjects to low self-esteem. Independence, or rather not being dependent, is a sign of strengh that I think we must all admire in any person.

 

As a woman, do you take a man opening the door for you or paying for your date as a compliment or an insult?

 

I am myself a tad chivalrous, though I understand the arguments against it. In the same way you can do more harm the a child by spoiling them, this sort of attitude contributes subtly to female tendencies of dependence (Though I wish not to imply that all woman are hopelessly dependent).

 

Is there anything wrong with a man doting on a woman and wanting to protect her? Are women that love doting on their husband or boyfriends weak and politically incorrect?

 

The drive to protect woman is something many of us lads are subject to. I've certainly observe a tendency to rush to a woman's aid, even for small things, while paying far less fare to that of a fellow chap's.

 

Do you feel staunch feminists impose their ideals on feminine women or masculine men?

 

This being one of the area's of misunderstanding. Although advocating something seen to be an injustice can at first be understood as 'imposing', the aim is not so. Most feminists will tell you of the desire of freedom of choice in these matters, liberal values are in all aspects of our societies, but the reason behind preaching some action is a fight for these freedoms which, although not always a legal matter, are socially frowned upon.

 

Take for example, women who don

Do you feel feminism is really just a red herring for low self esteem? Do such women use feminism as a defense mechanism for low self worth?

You ask an interesting question, and I think in some cases, probably yes.

 

As a male, are you intimidated by a woman who can hold her own or do you enjoy your roll as provider and protector?

 

As a woman, do you take a man opening the door for you or paying for your date as a compliment or an insult?

Not at all. Every woman enjoys being pampered sometimes, whether they like to admit it or not. However, when my fiancee and I first started dating, we would go back and forth on who would pay. While it was nice to be taken out and wined and dined, after a few dates, I felt guilty letting him pay for everything all the time.

 

Is there anything wrong with a man doting on a woman and wanting to protect her? Are women that love doting on their husband or boyfriends weak and politically incorrect?

It's human instinct. Men are the agressors, the protectors. Women are the maternal ones who take care of everyone. I like to take care of him. I make his lunches for work every day, and make his coffee in the a.m. for him to take to work (and I did this when I was working outside the home as well).

 

Do you feel staunch feminists impose their ideals on feminine women or masculine men?

Both. There's nothing wrong with taking care of your S.O. As long as each has their role, and responsibilities are divided, with neither taking the other for granted, then let the macho man be the protector, and let the woman do her mothering thing. However, if one party or the other isn't comfortable with those roles, they shouldn't have to conform to them, either. It comes down to personal preference.

Feminazis suck.

I think most men who'd have a problem here are themselves subjects to low self-esteem.

 

Very true. Most men who lack physical prowess or the ability to be a good provider face the same problems.

 

I am myself a tad chivalrous, though I understand the arguments against it. In the same way you can do more harm the a child by spoiling them, this sort of attitude contributes subtly to female tendencies of dependence (Though I wish not to imply that all woman are hopelessly dependent).

 

Great comment! Have some rep! Though I deeply respect the dying breed of chivalrous men, I suppose a woman who is perpetually catered to can become like a spoiled child and take everything for granted. That is true for both genders.

 

The drive to protect woman is something many of us lads are subject to. I've certainly observe a tendency to rush to a woman's aid, even for small things, while paying far less fare to that of a fellow chap's.

 

Call me old fashioned but I think that is the way it should be. Men are designed to be the protectors while women are designed to be the caretakers, stereotypically speaking of course. Just like the man will have the drive to protect, women will have the drive to nurture.

I hate the word "feminism" as a code-word for "equal rights." This is for a number of reasons:

 

 

1. It is contradictory. By stating that you are for equal rights, yet calling your movement "feminism," you are implicitly arguing that it is a "feminine" trait to be fair and supporting equal opportunity, which by extension implies that to be "masculine" is to be sexist ... Essentially, stating that you are for equal rights and calling equal rights "feminism" is a sexist position. It is a self-defeating paradox. It's the equivalent of if, say, Martin Luther King Jr. did not participate in a "civil rights movement," but instead favored a "black power movement." How would King have been received if he claimed to stand for equality between the races, yet was part of a group known as the "black power movement?"

 

2. Many feminist authors (Steinhem and Dworkin come to mind) have ridiculous ideas which clearly showcase their beleif that men are inferior. Yet at the same time, they claim that if you are not a feminist, you are a sexist or a misogynist. It reminds me of how people like Joseph McCarthy (or board member Hugo) make the assumption that if you aren't a die-hard nationalist willing to accept that anyone they claim is a traitor is indeed one, regardless of evidence, you must be a traitor yourself. "You're with us, or you're against us." It's difficult to seperate modern feminism from misandry.

 

3. There is already a term for true supporters of equality between sexes, or other demographics ... They're called egalitarians or "equalists."

 

 

Oh, and there's the crazy feminist laws which discriminate based on gender in an attempt to provide a sort of "gender affirmative action." The Violence Against Women Act, for instance.

You ask an interesting question, and I think in some cases, probably yes.

 

Agreed. Feminism as a cover-up for low self esteem must be taken on a case-by-case basis. Some women are the real thing while some keep up the act for the sake of bitterness. After losing my first love, I refused to let another man take care of me. However, hiding behind one's pseudo-independence in an attempt to subdue personal vulnerabilities can only be kept up for so long.

 

It's human instinct. Men are the aggressors, the protectors. Women are the maternal ones who take care of everyone. I like to take care of him. I make his lunches for work every day, and make his coffee in the a.m. for him to take to work...

 

It is interesting you hold this opinion- it is very rare these days.

 

Both. There's nothing wrong with taking care of your S.O.

S.O.?

I hate the word... It is contradictory. By stating that you are for equal rights, yet calling your movement "feminism," you are implicitly arguing that it is a "feminine" trait to be fair and supporting equal opportunity...

 

You know, this kind of makes me think of the Homophobia discussion currently in progress. Now that you mention it, Feminism seems to be a misnomer as well.

 

Many feminist authors (Steinhem and Dworkin come to mind) have ridiculous ideas which clearly showcase their beleif that men are inferior. Yet at the same time, they claim that if you are not a feminist, you are a sexist or a misogynist... "You're with us, or you're against us." It's difficult to seperate modern feminism from misandry.

 

This question was almost included in the original thread but I thought the other questions were enough to keep us busy for awhile. lol There is certainly a fine line between staunch feminism and misandry.

Agreed. Feminism as a cover-up for low self esteem must be taken on a case-by-case basis. Some women are the real thing while some keep up the act for the sake of bitterness.

I'm more inclined to believe that most of these women are just bitter. But that's just from personal experience and what I have seen so far.

 

After losing my first love, I refused to let another man take care of me. However, hiding behind one's pseudo-independence in an attempt to subdue personal vulnerabilities can only be kept up for so long.

I think every woman who has been hurt and lost a love has behaved in some sort of feminist way. We all hate men and don't need them at one point in our life.

It is interesting you hold this opinion- it is very rare these days.

While I don't think a woman's place is JUST in the kitchen cooking, and at home raising children, I think the majority of women do have this maternal instinct, and there's no need to completely suppress it because of some feminazi's idea of how a 'liberated' woman should behave. Same goes for men. Honestly, I would much rather have a 'manly man' than some fucking metro-sexual who acts more like a woman than a man.

 

 

S.O.?

Significant other.

...females invented the whole uneqal thing so they could get out of working...

 

That's a unique take on the matter. I see things the other way around. The whole feminist movement, in my opinion, fucked things up for women everywhere. Instead of female responsibilities being limited to the home and child rearing or instead of females accepting and, God-forbid, enjoying a chivalrous man, women are now expected to take on a full time job, fend for themselves, never rely on a man or be willing to admit their need for one, all while still assuming the 1950's stereotypical responsibilites of home and children. In my opinion, feminism has caused women to work even harder.

 

While I don't think a woman's place is JUST in the kitchen cooking, and at home raising children, I think the majority of women do have this maternal instinct, and there's no need to completely suppress it because of some feminazi's idea of how a 'liberated' woman should behave.

 

Absolutely! This is a natural instinct and no woman should feel guilty for it.

 

Same goes for men. Honestly, I would much rather have a 'manly man' than some fucking metro-sexual who acts more like a woman than a man.

 

Once again, I agree. For some reason, political correctness calls for any group (be it race, gender, religion, etc) to ignore or be embarrassed by what makes them unique.

I am willing to pay for my guy, I am also willing for him to pay for me. I hold doors open for him, he does the same for me.

 

We both work, we both bring similar amounts of money into the home, neither of us should demand andything that we are not prepared to give ourselves.

I am willing to pay for my guy, I am also willing for him to pay for me...

 

Cheater! You're married. Finances should be split at that point if both spouses work. Nice try, you PC wannabe.

Sadly, I married a traditional woman who felt it was her responsibility to stay home and raise our kid, NEWSFLASH, honey, the kid's 26. Go to work and bring home some money. My male ego can handle it.

Cheater! You're married. Finances should be split at that point if both spouses work. Nice try, you PC wannabe.

 

So what if I am married? We both have separate bank accounts. It's always been the same, right from when I first met him and he wasn't earning at all....in those days, I paid.

So what if I am married? We both have separate bank accounts. It's always been the same, right from when I first met him and he wasn't earning at all....in those days, I paid.

 

Thats a good system....so long as one is willing to help the other (not saying you 2 dont..but saying you 2 probably do!) Nice job making a relationship logical!

 

 

I honestly belive there is still stigma in a woman rising to high powered jobs (IE...the glass ceiling)...

 

and unfortunately it might be still true.....How many CEO's that are female can you count? and the one you probably can count went to jail (martha stewart)...but yet we still have a president named bush in office..

 

obviously the best qualified candidate deserves any job....but we all know other factors are involed...(and it goes beyond boobs and brains)...

 

...BUT.....untill the stigma of a womans job is to take care of the children goes away..then there isnt much hope for this to ever change.....(even if the man is at home while the woman is working type of situation....)

I’m a feminist, and I hate the stigma attached to us. I do not hate men. I do not get mad when a man opens the door for me any more than an old person gets mad when I open the door for them. It is a sign of respect, and therefore it is stupid to get upset about it. I remember starting this topic about three years ago. It has since been erased. But those who were on here back then may remember some of my views:

 

“I am a woman, so obviously I believe in a woman right to be treated equal. Some supposed women’s libbers that piss me off are those that encourage women to be more like men in order to ‘fit in’ to society’s ideals of success. I find the idea that women who want to be equal should be loud, aggressive, and cuss like a sailor, absolutely ridiculous. At least in the past we could claim integrity. I am not saying that we should be quiet, demur pushovers either. We should have the right to be women and be treated equal. I am a new breed of feminist. I believe in a woman’s right to be strong and think for herself without sacrificing her femininity. Women do not have to be dikes to be feminists.

 

I do not believe in Affirmative Action. I think an individual who is intelligent enough to run a company should be intelligent enough to pick the most qualified individual; even it that individual is a woman. I believe that all Affirmative Action has done is encourage the prejudice that was there. I am sure it helped to get some qualified women hired, but it also helped to get some unqualified women hired. Having unqualified women hired instead of qualified men in order to reach a quota reinforced the idea that women were not worth as much as men in a working environment. I believe that women should be treated equal in the work place. We should get the same pay for the same job. I, however, want to earn my job; I do not want it handed to me. The women who have worked hard to get where they are, are not appreciated because it is assumed that they got the job to fill a quota.

 

I am offended that any ignorant person would dare to put abortion under women’s rights. This is a human rights issue, not a feminist issue. I do not believe a woman has the right to take the life of her child. What happens to men’s rights in this case? Are we to assume that the father would not want the child just because the mother does not? And the babies rights? Oh, that’s right, the baby can not speak for himself so he doesn’t get a say. I have an idea. Why don’t we wait eighteen years, until the baby is old enough to speak for himself, and then ask him what he thinks about abortion? Abortion is a separate issue from women’s rights and they should not be represented at the same event as Hillary and other women’s libbers have done. One in five pregnancies now ends in abortion. The waiting list to adopt a healthy white baby is anywhere from 3 to 5 years. Nearly one forth of all women who plan on giving their baby up for adoption, change their mind after seeing the child.”

So what if I am married? We both have separate bank accounts. It's always been the same, right from when I first met him and he wasn't earning at all....in those days, I paid.

 

My comment to you was tongue-in-cheek. lol

 

I do not get mad when a man opens the door for me any more than an old person gets mad when I open the door for them. It is a sign of respect, and therefore it is stupid to get upset about it.

 

Exactly. It's not that a woman cannot open her own door or pay for meals- it is about courtesy and respect. For some reason, ardent [man-hating] feminists take this as an insult.

 

I do not believe in Affirmative Action...

 

I was thinking about starting a debate on this. I am 100% against it as well.

 

I am offended that any ignorant person would dare to put abortion under women

Exactly. It's not that a woman cannot open her own door or pay for meals- it is about courtesy and respect. For some reason, ardent [man-hating] feminists take this as an insult.

Some people just look for a reason to bitch. I'm not turning down a free meal, as long as there are no strings attached.

 

Exactly. Who's decision was it to give deciding rights to only one of the parents? You hear so many stories in the news and on television where the woman wants to abort but the man is begging her not to. Something similar happened with my husband and his second wife. I understand it is the woman's body but if she chooses to have sex, she needs to be prepared to accept the consequences and not use abortion as a form of birth control.

My husband also went through something similar. It is as if men don't have any rights. I guess it goes back the women are the care takers argument.

 

I don't see how a woman can claim the 'it's my body' argument

Abortion is barbaric. The nervous system is the first of the bodies systems to develop, so the child feels the pain when the doctor cuts him into pieces. Late term abortion is the worst. How can anyone support such a thing?

 

Partial birth abortion is what makes me want to burst into tears. Barbaric and evil- no other way to describe it. I didn't even think it was real when I first head about it. Killing a baby on it's way out of the birth canal? Give me a fucking break!

Partial birth abortion is what makes me want to burst into tears. Barbaric and evil- no other way to describe it. I didn't even think it was real when I first head about it. Killing a baby on it's way out of the birth canal? Give me a fucking break!

That's exactly what I think of partial birth abortion! Planned Parenthood and the ACLU are for that sick shit and all kinds of stupid things that are turning America into a clone of what Russia was in the bad old days! Planned Parenthood and the motherfucking ACLU are America's internal enemies needing to get their sorry asses kicked!!! :mad:

That's exactly what I think of partial birth abortion! Planned Parenthood and the ACLU are for that sick shit and all kinds of stupid things that are turning America into a clone of what Russia was in the bad old days! Planned Parenthood and the motherfucking ACLU are America's internal enemies needing to get their sorry asses kicked!!! :mad:

 

Black Man With a Brain, there's an oxymoron, with your contempt for stupid people, ignorance, and liberals; I figured you'd be a supporter of the pro-choice movement. I mean, is there any other way to rid the world of stupidy quicker? Abort them before they can speak!

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Royal, an oxymoron contains only two words. It's a real shocker that you are unaware of that.

 

I agree with Drunk, for the first time as I can see... thought I would mention it.