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NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups

By John Timmer
Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT

Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.

AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.

Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
the campaign . . . .

<more:>

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html


Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
York.

Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .

After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
alt. users?

I think they should go after e-mail next.

Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.

And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
hat.

I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
cable TV and Internet account.

So there goes cable TV too. Damn.

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

And now the saints began their reign,
For which th' had yearned so long in vain,
And felt such bowel-hankerings,
To see an empire, all of kings,
Delivered from th' Egyptian awe
Of justice, government and law.

< _Hudibras_
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
bloviated:

>NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>
>By John Timmer
>Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>
>Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>
>AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>
>Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>the campaign . . . .
>
><more:>
>
>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>
>
>Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>York.
>
>Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>
>After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>alt. users?
>
>I think they should go after e-mail next.
>
>Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>
>And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>hat.
>
>I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>cable TV and Internet account.
>
>So there goes cable TV too. Damn.


Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:48:52 +0000, Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> bloviated:
>
>> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>
>> By John Timmer
>> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>
>> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>
>> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>
>> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>> the campaign . . . .
>>
>> <more:>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>
>>
>> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>> York.
>>
>> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>
>> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>> alt. users?
>>
>> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>
>> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>
>> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>> this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>> Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>> threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>> willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>> hat.
>>
>> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>> cable TV and Internet account.
>>
>> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.

>
> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.


I'm not sure that makes it any better or even just less contemptible.

Although I may be misreading the article:

Are they blocking only on their own news-servers, or blocking all Usenet
alt. /alt.binaries. access-- ie, with port 119 monitoring?

_Any-way_, if good old "liberal" California is "requesting similar
measures", that doesn't sound like just another megacorporate-ISP
customer-****ing:

It sounds more general than that.

And, again, I thought we went through all this with the DMCA-- I mean, can
the Attorney-General of New York overrule the US Supreme Court?

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

I recognize no authority but the Constitution of the
United States (some parts of it) and the bouncer at
Jack's and Charlie's.

< Benchley
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:05:55 -0400, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:48:52 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> bloviated:
>>
>>> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>>
>>> By John Timmer
>>> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>>
>>> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>>> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>>> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>>> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>>> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>>> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>>> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>>> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>>> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>>
>>> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>>> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>>> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>>> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>>> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>>> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>>> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>>> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>>> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>>
>>> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>>> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>>> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>>> the campaign . . . .
>>>
>>> <more:>
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>>> York.
>>>
>>> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>>
>>> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>>> alt. users?
>>>
>>> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>>
>>> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>>
>>> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>>> this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>>> Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>>> threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>>> willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>>> hat.
>>>
>>> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>>> cable TV and Internet account.
>>>
>>> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.

>>
>> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
>> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
>> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.

>
>I'm not sure that makes it any better or even just less contemptible.
>
>Although I may be misreading the article:
>
>Are they blocking only on their own news-servers, or blocking all Usenet
>alt. /alt.binaries. access-- ie, with port 119 monitoring?
>
>_Any-way_, if good old "liberal" California is "requesting similar
>measures", that doesn't sound like just another megacorporate-ISP
>customer-****ing:
>
>It sounds more general than that.
>
>And, again, I thought we went through all this with the DMCA-- I mean, can
>the Attorney-General of New York overrule the US Supreme Court?


1. RIAA sues usenet.com over mp3 groups.
2. Most major media companies are based in New York & California
3. Usenet is a resource (money) sink for ISPs.

ISPs see #1, are being pressured by #2, realize an out for #3 and go
to the AG and ask him to take the lead.

This is not about censorship or "the children" this is just another
way for corporations to control the flow of media and information.

Think what you wish, it is ALL about the money.



--

A Number 1, Grade A, Prime USDA 'Ratz
Accept No Substitute
 
Aratzio wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> bloviated:
>
>>NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>
>>By John Timmer
>>Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>
>>Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>>that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>>Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>>accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>>and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>>entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>>request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>>porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>>site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>
>>AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>>surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>>signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>>as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>>blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>>apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>>accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>>indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>>access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>
>>Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>>includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>>York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>>the campaign . . . .
>>
>><more:>
>>
>>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>
>>
>>Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>>York.
>>
>>Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>
>>After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>>alt. users?
>>
>>I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>
>>Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>
>>And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>>this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>>Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>>threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>>willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>>hat.
>>
>>I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>>cable TV and Internet account.
>>
>>So there goes cable TV too. Damn.

>
> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.


shhh
--
ah
 
Aratzio wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:05:55 -0400, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:48:52 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> bloviated:
>>>
>>>> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>>>
>>>> By John Timmer
>>>> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>>>
>>>> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>>>> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>>>> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>>>> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>>>> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>>>> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>>>> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>>>> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>>>> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>>>
>>>> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>>>> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>>>> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>>>> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>>>> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>>>> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>>>> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>>>> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>>>> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>>>
>>>> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>>>> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>>>> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>>>> the campaign . . . .
>>>>
>>>> <more:>
>>>>
>>>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>>>> York.
>>>>
>>>> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>>>
>>>> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>>>> alt. users?
>>>>
>>>> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>>>
>>>> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>>>
>>>> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>>>> this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>>>> Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>>>> threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>>>> willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>>>> hat.
>>>>
>>>> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>>>> cable TV and Internet account.
>>>>
>>>> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.
>>>
>>> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
>>> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
>>> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.

>>
>>I'm not sure that makes it any better or even just less contemptible.
>>
>>Although I may be misreading the article:
>>
>>Are they blocking only on their own news-servers, or blocking all Usenet
>>alt. /alt.binaries. access-- ie, with port 119 monitoring?
>>
>>_Any-way_, if good old "liberal" California is "requesting similar
>>measures", that doesn't sound like just another megacorporate-ISP
>>customer-****ing:
>>
>>It sounds more general than that.
>>
>>And, again, I thought we went through all this with the DMCA-- I mean, can
>>the Attorney-General of New York overrule the US Supreme Court?

>
> 1. RIAA sues usenet.com over mp3 groups.
> 2. Most major media companies are based in New York & California
> 3. Usenet is a resource (money) sink for ISPs.
>
> ISPs see #1, are being pressured by #2, realize an out for #3 and go
> to the AG and ask him to take the lead.
>
> This is not about censorship or "the children" this is just another
> way for corporations to control the flow of media and information.
>
> Think what you wish, it is ALL about the money.


The ISPs never actually supported the froups, anyway(s).
--
ah
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:13:43 -0400, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ah <splifingate@gmail.com> got
double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> bloviated:
>>
>>>NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>>
>>>By John Timmer
>>>Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>>
>>>Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>>>that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>>>Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>>>accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>>>and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>>>entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>>>request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>>>porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>>>site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>>
>>>AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>>>surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>>>signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>>>as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>>>blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>>>apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>>>accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>>>indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>>>access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>>
>>>Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>>>includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>>>York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>>>the campaign . . . .
>>>
>>><more:>
>>>
>>>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>>>York.
>>>
>>>Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>>
>>>After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>>>alt. users?
>>>
>>>I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>>
>>>Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>>
>>>And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>>>this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>>>Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>>>threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>>>willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>>>hat.
>>>
>>>I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>>>cable TV and Internet account.
>>>
>>>So there goes cable TV too. Damn.

>>
>> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
>> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
>> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.

>
> shhh


Bite me Dvus (snicker)....


--

A Number 1, Grade A, Prime USDA 'Ratz
Accept No Substitute
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:17:07 -0400, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ah <splifingate@gmail.com> got
double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:05:55 -0400, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:48:52 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>> bloviated:
>>>>
>>>>> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>>>>
>>>>> By John Timmer
>>>>> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>>>>
>>>>> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>>>>> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>>>>> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>>>>> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>>>>> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>>>>> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>>>>> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>>>>> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>>>>> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>>>>
>>>>> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>>>>> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>>>>> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>>>>> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>>>>> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>>>>> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>>>>> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>>>>> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>>>>> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>>>>> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>>>>> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>>>>> the campaign . . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> <more:>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>>>>> York.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>>>>> alt. users?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>>>>> this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>>>>> Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>>>>> threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>>>>> willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>>>>> hat.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>>>>> cable TV and Internet account.
>>>>>
>>>>> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.
>>>>
>>>> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
>>>> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
>>>> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure that makes it any better or even just less contemptible.
>>>
>>>Although I may be misreading the article:
>>>
>>>Are they blocking only on their own news-servers, or blocking all Usenet
>>>alt. /alt.binaries. access-- ie, with port 119 monitoring?
>>>
>>>_Any-way_, if good old "liberal" California is "requesting similar
>>>measures", that doesn't sound like just another megacorporate-ISP
>>>customer-****ing:
>>>
>>>It sounds more general than that.
>>>
>>>And, again, I thought we went through all this with the DMCA-- I mean, can
>>>the Attorney-General of New York overrule the US Supreme Court?

>>
>> 1. RIAA sues usenet.com over mp3 groups.
>> 2. Most major media companies are based in New York & California
>> 3. Usenet is a resource (money) sink for ISPs.
>>
>> ISPs see #1, are being pressured by #2, realize an out for #3 and go
>> to the AG and ask him to take the lead.
>>
>> This is not about censorship or "the children" this is just another
>> way for corporations to control the flow of media and information.
>>
>> Think what you wish, it is ALL about the money.

>
>The ISPs never actually supported the froups, anyway(s).


They still had the feed sucking bandwidth...


--

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Accept No Substitute
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:20:01 -0700, Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:17:07 -0400, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ah <splifingate@gmail.com> got
> double secret probation for writing:
>
>> Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:05:55 -0400, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:48:52 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>> bloviated:
>>>>>
>>>>>> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By John Timmer
>>>>>> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>>>>>> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>>>>>> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>>>>>> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>>>>>> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>>>>>> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>>>>>> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>>>>>> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>>>>>> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>>>>>> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>>>>>> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>>>>>> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>>>>>> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>>>>>> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>>>>>> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>>>>>> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>>>>>> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>>>>>> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>>>>>> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>>>>>> the campaign . . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <more:>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>>>>>> York.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>>>>>> alt. users?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>>>>>> this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>>>>>> Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>>>>>> threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>>>>>> willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>>>>>> hat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>>>>>> cable TV and Internet account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
>>>>> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
>>>>> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that makes it any better or even just less contemptible.
>>>>
>>>> Although I may be misreading the article:
>>>>
>>>> Are they blocking only on their own news-servers, or blocking all
>>>> Usenet alt. /alt.binaries. access-- ie, with port 119 monitoring?
>>>>
>>>> _Any-way_, if good old "liberal" California is "requesting similar
>>>> measures", that doesn't sound like just another megacorporate-ISP
>>>> customer-****ing:
>>>>
>>>> It sounds more general than that.
>>>>
>>>> And, again, I thought we went through all this with the DMCA-- I
>>>> mean, can the Attorney-General of New York overrule the US Supreme
>>>> Court?
>>>
>>> 1. RIAA sues usenet.com over mp3 groups. 2. Most major media companies
>>> are based in New York & California 3. Usenet is a resource (money)
>>> sink for ISPs.
>>>
>>> ISPs see #1, are being pressured by #2, realize an out for #3 and go
>>> to the AG and ask him to take the lead.
>>>
>>> This is not about censorship or "the children" this is just another
>>> way for corporations to control the flow of media and information.
>>>
>>> Think what you wish, it is ALL about the money.

>>
>> The ISPs never actually supported the froups, anyway(s).

>
> They still had the feed sucking bandwidth...


Yep, up to about the turn of the decade you generally got with yer ISP
HTTP, POP/SMTP and NNTP, as well as a bit of web-page space.

But even then, when I first came on Usenet, about '98, I guess, the
"out-sourcing" of Usenet had already begun.

And these "high-speed providers" really don't seem to give a **** about
anything but the basic connection and money.

Wot they don't seem to be dropping prices when they drop services, but I
guess it's naive to expect that, eh?

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

It is usual on these occasions to make a great vapouring
about honour and conscience: but as those words are now
generally acknowledged to be utterly destitute of meaning,
I have too much respect for your understanding to say any
thing about them.

< Peacock
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:42:29 -0400, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
got double secret probation for writing:

>Yep, up to about the turn of the decade you generally got with yer ISP
>HTTP, POP/SMTP and NNTP, as well as a bit of web-page space.
>
>But even then, when I first came on Usenet, about '98, I guess, the
>"out-sourcing" of Usenet had already begun.
>
>And these "high-speed providers" really don't seem to give a **** about
>anything but the basic connection and money.
>
>Wot they don't seem to be dropping prices when they drop services, but I
>guess it's naive to expect that, eh?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SNORT HAAAAAHAAAA

Drop prices

<wipes eyes>

Yeah and Bush is a genius.


--

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Accept No Substitute
 
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mtSdnSzp2NNZUOrVnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>
> By John Timmer
> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>
> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>
> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>
> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
> the campaign . . . .
>
> <more:>
>
>

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080711-ny-attorney-general-gets-more-
isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>
>
> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
> York.
>
> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>
> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
> alt. users?
>
> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>
> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>
> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
> this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
> Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
> threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
> willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
> hat.
>
> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
> cable TV and Internet account.
>
> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.


I am caught in that same Adelphia/Time-Warner bind.

So they're going to throw out the baby with the bath water again, eh?
Typical hysterical corporate overkill.

Smee

>
> --
> tinmimus99@hotmail.com
>
> smeeter 11 or maybe 12
>
> mp 10
>
> mhm 29x13
>
> And now the saints began their reign,
> For which th' had yearned so long in vain,
> And felt such bowel-hankerings,
> To see an empire, all of kings,
> Delivered from th' Egyptian awe
> Of justice, government and law.
>
> < _Hudibras_
>
 
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:28:44 -0400, in the land of alt.config, "dvus"
<doug@dvenator.com.invalid> got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:
>> ah wrote:
>>>Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall
>>>> guy so they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from
>>>> binary usenet and it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.
>>>
>>> shhh

>>
>> Bite me Dvus (snicker)....

>
>How did I get dragged into this?


Message-ID: <fLSdneceP9KpruvVnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>


--

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Accept No Substitute
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:42:28 -0700, Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:42:29 -0400, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>> Yep, up to about the turn of the decade you generally got with yer ISP
>> HTTP, POP/SMTP and NNTP, as well as a bit of web-page space.
>>
>> But even then, when I first came on Usenet, about '98, I guess, the
>> "out-sourcing" of Usenet had already begun.
>>
>> And these "high-speed providers" really don't seem to give a ****
>> about anything but the basic connection and money.
>>
>> Wot they don't seem to be dropping prices when they drop services, but
>> I guess it's naive to expect that, eh?

>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SNORT HAAAAAHAAAA
>
> Drop prices
>
> <wipes eyes>
>
> Yeah and Bush is a genius.


Come to think of it, I'm still kinda depressed by how readily Google with
its "new corporate culture"-- they have skateboards!-- agreed to hunt down
dissidents for the Chinese Communists.

"Money . . . money changes everything . . . ."

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

"You are either insane or a fool."
"I am a sanitary inspector."

< _Maske: Thaery_
 
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:17:02 -0700, pscissons wrote:

> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:mtSdnSzp2NNZUOrVnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>
>> By John Timmer
>> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>
>> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>
>> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>
>> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>> the campaign . . . .
>>
>> <more:>

>
>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html

>
>> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in
>> New York.
>>
>> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>
>> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>> alt. users?
>>
>> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>
>> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over
>> that.
>>
>> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense?
>> all this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the
>> Supreme Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably
>> "anarchic", by threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations
>> involved are always willing to **** their customers at the drop of any
>> official blue-nose's hat.
>>
>> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my
>> Adelphia cable TV and Internet account.
>>
>> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.

>
> I am caught in that same Adelphia/Time-Warner bind.
>
> So they're going to throw out the baby with the bath water again, eh?
> Typical hysterical corporate overkill.
>
> Smee


Eh, the general expert opinion seems to be it's typical political and
corporate sleaziness.

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

"You are either insane or a fool."
"I am a sanitary inspector."

< _Maske: Thaery_
 
mimus wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:20:01 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:17:07 -0400, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ah <splifingate@gmail.com> got
>> double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>> Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:05:55 -0400, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:48:52 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> bloviated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By John Timmer
>>>>>>> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>>>>>>> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>>>>>>> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>>>>>>> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>>>>>>> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>>>>>>> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>>>>>>> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>>>>>>> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>>>>>>> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>>>>>>> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>>>>>>> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>>>>>>> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>>>>>>> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>>>>>>> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>>>>>>> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>>>>>>> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>>>>>>> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>>>>>>> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>>>>>>> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>>>>>>> the campaign . . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <more:>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>>>>>>> York.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>>>>>>> alt. users?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>>>>>>> this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>>>>>>> Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>>>>>>> threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>>>>>>> willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>>>>>>> hat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>>>>>>> cable TV and Internet account.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
>>>>>> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
>>>>>> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure that makes it any better or even just less contemptible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I may be misreading the article:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they blocking only on their own news-servers, or blocking all
>>>>> Usenet alt. /alt.binaries. access-- ie, with port 119 monitoring?
>>>>>
>>>>> _Any-way_, if good old "liberal" California is "requesting similar
>>>>> measures", that doesn't sound like just another megacorporate-ISP
>>>>> customer-****ing:
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds more general than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, again, I thought we went through all this with the DMCA-- I
>>>>> mean, can the Attorney-General of New York overrule the US Supreme
>>>>> Court?
>>>>
>>>> 1. RIAA sues usenet.com over mp3 groups. 2. Most major media companies
>>>> are based in New York & California 3. Usenet is a resource (money)
>>>> sink for ISPs.
>>>>
>>>> ISPs see #1, are being pressured by #2, realize an out for #3 and go
>>>> to the AG and ask him to take the lead.
>>>>
>>>> This is not about censorship or "the children" this is just another
>>>> way for corporations to control the flow of media and information.
>>>>
>>>> Think what you wish, it is ALL about the money.
>>>
>>> The ISPs never actually supported the froups, anyway(s).

>>
>> They still had the feed sucking bandwidth...

>
> Yep, up to about the turn of the decade you generally got with yer ISP
> HTTP, POP/SMTP and NNTP, as well as a bit of web-page space.
>
> But even then, when I first came on Usenet, about '98, I guess, the
> "out-sourcing" of Usenet had already begun.
>
> And these "high-speed providers" really don't seem to give a **** about
> anything but the basic connection and money.
>
> Wot they don't seem to be dropping prices when they drop services, but I
> guess it's naive to expect that, eh?


Please: expect all you want!
--
ah
 
Aratzio wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:17:07 -0400, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ah <splifingate@gmail.com> got
> double secret probation for writing:
>
>>Aratzio wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:05:55 -0400, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:48:52 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0400, in
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>> bloviated:
>>>>>
>>>>>> NY attorney general gets more ISPs to block alt. newsgroups
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By John Timmer
>>>>>> Published: July 11, 2008 - 02:28PM CT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last month, the New York state Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, announced
>>>>>> that a sting operation had uncovered an indifference on the part of
>>>>>> Internet service providers regarding complaints about child porn
>>>>>> accessible through their networks. Using a combination of legal threats
>>>>>> and public shaming, Cuomo was able to get three ISPs to drop access to the
>>>>>> entire alt. hierarchy of Usenet, a move that encouraged California to
>>>>>> request similar measures. Now, in a sign that these efforts against child
>>>>>> porn were becoming a movement, Cuomo has announced the launch of a web
>>>>>> site, nystopchildporn and agreements with two more ISPs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AOL is the subject of one of the new agreements, which isn't much of a
>>>>>> surprise, given that its corporate sibling, Time Warner Cable, had already
>>>>>> signed on with Cuomo. It will apparently require no changes on its part,
>>>>>> as CNET reports that the company had already implemented a policy of
>>>>>> blocking child porn access. AT&T is the other, and, given that it's
>>>>>> apparently the US' largest service provider, it represents a significant
>>>>>> accomplishment for the AG. Apparently, AT&T's efforts will be as
>>>>>> indiscriminate as those pursued by Verizon, in that they plan on blocking
>>>>>> access to the entire alt.binaries. hierarchy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cuomo's new web site signifies that he's clearly not done yet. It
>>>>>> includes contact information for 20 ISPs that presumably operate in New
>>>>>> York, and text of a letter to send to them to urge that they sign on to
>>>>>> the campaign . . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <more:>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...l-gets-more-isps-to-block-alt-newsgroups.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just in case anyone thought that Rudy Giuliani was the only Fascist in New
>>>>>> York.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or that American Fascists are only found in New York . . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After all, why go after the child-porn posters when you can punish all
>>>>>> alt. users?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think they should go after e-mail next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cuomo looks and sounds like the kind of guy who'd get a woody over that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And didn't we go through this a few years ago, with the DMCA nonsense? all
>>>>>> this looks like a clear effort to make an end-run around the Supreme
>>>>>> Court's ruling that Usenet was officially and even laudably "anarchic", by
>>>>>> threatening ISPs, wot of course the large corporations involved are always
>>>>>> willing to **** their customers at the drop of any official blue-nose's
>>>>>> hat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I may be changing ISPs, 'cause Time-Warner bought out my Adelphia
>>>>>> cable TV and Internet account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there goes cable TV too. Damn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't be so gullible. The ISPs are just using Cuomo as the fall guy so
>>>>> they can drop binary usenet. They make no money from binary usenet and
>>>>> it sucks huge amounts of bandwidth.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure that makes it any better or even just less contemptible.
>>>>
>>>>Although I may be misreading the article:
>>>>
>>>>Are they blocking only on their own news-servers, or blocking all Usenet
>>>>alt. /alt.binaries. access-- ie, with port 119 monitoring?
>>>>
>>>>_Any-way_, if good old "liberal" California is "requesting similar
>>>>measures", that doesn't sound like just another megacorporate-ISP
>>>>customer-****ing:
>>>>
>>>>It sounds more general than that.
>>>>
>>>>And, again, I thought we went through all this with the DMCA-- I mean, can
>>>>the Attorney-General of New York overrule the US Supreme Court?
>>>
>>> 1. RIAA sues usenet.com over mp3 groups.
>>> 2. Most major media companies are based in New York & California
>>> 3. Usenet is a resource (money) sink for ISPs.
>>>
>>> ISPs see #1, are being pressured by #2, realize an out for #3 and go
>>> to the AG and ask him to take the lead.
>>>
>>> This is not about censorship or "the children" this is just another
>>> way for corporations to control the flow of media and information.
>>>
>>> Think what you wish, it is ALL about the money.

>>
>>The ISPs never actually supported the froups, anyway(s).

>
> They still had the feed sucking bandwidth...


And a handful of <nonessential> FT employees, with benefits, and stuff...
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ah
 
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