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fasgnadh · Jan 2, 2009

Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:36:47 +1100, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>>

>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>> news:sjbrl45gs0jjqd2gvl6c2t5g7breed098b@4ax.com...

>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of

>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of

>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>>

>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

>>>> I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In

>>>> fact

>>>> we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not

>>>> ended.

>>>> The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you said

>>>> it

>>>> is impossible.

>>>>

>>>>

>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?

>

> Hrmm, no response, funny that.

Why does anyone have any responsibility to answer your GROUND SHIFTING?

B^)

I suggest you take it as a no. B^D

A point of reference for measurements does NOT equate to 'Centre'

Let me introduce you to Mr Line.

0--------------------C---------------p-----

Point "P" is measured from Origin "O" , which is not the centre "C"

of the line.

Next week we introduce you to Mr Cartesian plane.. and then

n-dimensional space.

Bring your protractor, you will be asked to demonstrate the CENTRE!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!

Tell me, a bright young turnip like you must have heard of Klein's

bottle, one of many interesting topological structures...

when did you decide to emulate it;

http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html

>

>>> Since there is no center, the arbitrary center is the point from which

>>> you make your measurements.

>>>

>> There is no centre period.

>

> So here is no reference point in your universe.

No, there are as many as you like. Why do you try and pretend they

are the centre of the Solar System, the Galaxy or any other known

feature of the Cosmos?

I suggest you start at GO, do not collect $200.

> That must make the

> math a bit difficult.

If math depended on you finding the Centre of the Universe before

we measured the distance from London to Bath, or Uranus from Sol

we would be in considerable difficulty!

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:46:48 GMT, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:

>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of

>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>

>>>

>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of

>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a ****** is a insult to

>>>>> idiots and retards everywhere.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> So where is the center?

> >>>

>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages when

>>> we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the advancements of

>>> science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons everywhere)

>>> who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are still

>>> idiots who think the Earth is snickers 8,000 years old! It baffles me as

>>> to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he dumb

>>> ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you can be

>>> religious and not buy into that nonsense.

>>>

>>

>> So, you can't define the center,

>

>He never attempted to, Axle Insane, and you apparently,

>are the only ones pretending that it can be defined and that

>it could be Earth!!!! B^D

Maximum obsevable space is 15 billion light years in every direction

from Earth. Therefore within the "observable universe" we are

precisely at the center. There is a clue there but I am guessing you

are not smart enough to figure it out.

>

> > yet you are calling someone that did

>> define the center an idiot.

>

>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

>

>Only because he IS an idiot, possibly as big an idiot as you! B^D

>

>Explain how the Centre the Universe can orbit around the Sun!? B^]

Explain how is cannot. Explain why the observed space ends in every

direction at the same distance from Earth. If I get all sciency on you

your gonna get all cornfuzelled and then you'll be posting more

ignorant gibberish.

>

>

>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.

>

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism

Sad, that isn't "current cosmologyl", cupcake. You do know the

difference between history and current?

>

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Geoz_wb_en.svg

>

>The Geocentric model was disproved, from empirical observations

>some centuries ago.. you seem to be a particularly slow-witted dolt

>and have not yet caught up with the news!

>[Note: the Heliocentric model does not put Sol at the centre of the

>universe, or even at the geometric centre of the Solar System, as the

>planet's orbits are elliptical. ]

A truly a pathetic maundering and so incredibly wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

Since we were speaking of the "current cosmology" and not astronomy

you will find that to be the correct link.

You can thank me later.

>

>However, as the planets shown do orbit Sol, how can any of them be

>the centre of our Solar system? and therefore of any larger

>meta-structure, such as our galaxy, where we spin on one of the

>spiral arms, or the universe, or even the backs of the turtles

>which you and Alex Insane seem to think it all rests upon!

>

>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA

Because gibbering fool, you are confused by the fact you have not even

the vaguest of clues what the phrase "current cosmology" meant and are

wandering around ***** nilly spewing unrelated astrological

observations as if they are somehow germane to the current cosmology.

>

>> What is the center of an infinite space?

>

>Certainly not orbiting around a point, or two. B^)

Yes it is. The observable universe is a sphere centered upon the

observer. Which makes the Earth the cosmological center of the

universe.

Screaming about astronomy does not alter how cosmology works.

>

>

>Halfway between your ears, perhaps? B^D

Want to try it sing the correct field of science thsi time, cupcake?

Aside: Why is it these fucckwits from alt.atheism are so incredibly

ignorant of general science?

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:06:25 +1100, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>

>"fasgnadh" <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

>news:sLi7l.6666$cu.3934@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

>> Aratzio wrote:

>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of

>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of

>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is

>>>>>>> flat?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a ****** is a insult to

>>>>>> idiots and retards everywhere.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> So where is the center?

>> >>>

>>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages

>>>> when we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the

>>>> advancements of science they are still morons (again that's a insult to

>>>> morons everywhere) who still hold onto those primitive superstitious

>>>> beliefs, they are still idiots who think the Earth is snickers 8,000

>>>> years old! It baffles me as to why some people still cling to those

>>>> beliefs that belong tot he dumb ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives

>>>> you hope and stuff but you can be religious and not buy into that

>>>> nonsense.

>>>>

>>>

>>> So, you can't define the center,

>>

>> He never attempted to, Axle Insane, and you apparently,

>> are the only ones pretending that it can be defined and that

>> it could be Earth!!!! B^D

>>

>> > yet you are calling someone that did

>>> define the center an idiot.

>>

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

>>

>> Only because he IS an idiot, possibly as big an idiot as you! B^D

>>

>> Explain how the Centre the Universe can orbit around the Sun!? B^]

>>

>>

>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.

>>

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism

>>

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Geoz_wb_en.svg

>>

>> The Geocentric model was disproved, from empirical observations

>> some centuries ago.. you seem to be a particularly slow-witted dolt

>> and have not yet caught up with the news!

>> [Note: the Heliocentric model does not put Sol at the centre of the

>> universe, or even at the geometric centre of the Solar System, as the

>> planet's orbits are elliptical. ]

>>

>> However, as the planets shown do orbit Sol, how can any of them be

>> the centre of our Solar system? and therefore of any larger

>> meta-structure, such as our galaxy, where we spin on one of the

>> spiral arms, or the universe, or even the backs of the turtles

>> which you and Alex Insane seem to think it all rests upon!

>>

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA

>>

>>> What is the center of an infinite space?

>>

>> Certainly not orbiting around a point, or two. B^)

>>

>>

>> Halfway between your ears, perhaps? B^D

>

>Maybe he just thinks he is the centre of the universe. I'm not that arrogant

>I know the universe doesn't revolve around me and the universe has existed

>billions of years before I was born and will continue to exist.

>

You and bobble head don't know the difference between cosmology and

astronomy.

The other problem is you are both too stupid to understand there is a

difference.

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:22:36 GMT, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:

>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of

>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>

>>>

>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of

>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>

>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

>>> I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In fact

>>> we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not ended.

>>> The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you said it

>>> is impossible.

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?

>

>No, an origin for co-ordinates need not be a centre,

>and elliptical orbits have two foci, not a centre,

>(unless the foci coincide, producing a circle), for example:

>

> | O

>-------

> |

>

>The eliptical orbit "O" can be described by any set

>of points (x,y) in the Cartesian plane satisfying an equation of the form:

>

>http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/4/b/94bc0fbfc1ace2e887afbc22be6d3520.png

>

>where a and b are any positive real numbers.

What happens if all measurements indicate your point of observation is

the same distance from all observable ends?

>

>

>As this approximates the orbit of the Earth around Sol

>Earth cannot be the centre of the local Solar system,

>or of any surrounding meta structure.

>

>Q.E.D.

Still not cosmology. Keep trying.

>

>> Since there is no center, the arbitrary center is the point from which

>> you make your measurements.

>

>If you are choosing an arbitrary origin, then any point will do,

>but it's not the centre, and the rest of this is a tautology,

>based on a fallacy;

Except it is observable.

15 billion (or so) light years in every direction the observable

universe ends.

Where does that place the observer?

Oh, the center.

>> That would be for the purposes of most cosmological models, the Earth.

>

>So you will be apologising to the Church on Galileo's behalf! B^D

That is astronomy. Do try to stay with the discussion, it is cosmology

not astronomy.

>

>Anthropomorphism does not make Earth the Centre of the Universe,

>That space appears to be occupied by your ego! B^D

No, the science of cosmology makes it the center.

>

>

>> So it is fully correct to define the Earth as the center of the

>> universe.

>

>No, merely as an arbitrary reference point.

That just happens to be observably in the center. It is arbitrary only

in the sense that the center is the location of the observer.

>

>It would be absurd to speak of moving toward the CENTRE of our solar

>system while transiting from Mercury to Earth! B^p

Absolutely and that strawman has nothing to do with the cosomological

center of the universe.

>

>You would merely be moving toward an arbitrary, and moving, reference point.

Unless you could measure in reference to the observed ends and found

you were equidistant.

>

>As soon as we move to another Galaxy we would adopt another local

>reference point, and the origin changes, ..if we find another

>intelligence there, the change could be permanent.

Nope, the reference point remains: the observer.

Try using cosmology rather than astronomy.

>

>> Now that you hopefully understand the facts,

>

>I would prefer he rationally understood the facts rather

>than your hopefulness, which is misplaced.

Too bad you are using the wrong science.

>

> > who would be the "retarded idiot"

>

>The one who claimed the Earth was the Centre of the Universe,

>when it orbits around Sol.

Yes, it does. Congratulations on your grasp of astronomy. Now can we

get back to discussing cosmology, you don't seem to understand that

very well. You do know astronomy and cosmology are not the same thing?

>

> > that did not know how referentials within infinite

>> space are manufactured.

>

>Mrs *** crochets them in here spare time.. B^D

As long as they are arbitrary and based upon the observer then that

works in cosmology. Cosmology is fun.

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:24:55 +1100, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>

>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>news:a6frl41relo7ap55fk6lorbvgg7tfg7aqf@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:37:45 +1100, in the land of

>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>news:lfbrl4thd4fbbs5ako9k817l11aak8eomd@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of

>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of

>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3

>>>>>>>>> <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is

>>>>>>>> flat?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a ****** is a insult to

>>>>>>>idiots

>>>>>>>and retards everywhere.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So where is the center?

>>>>>

>>>>>Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages

>>>>>when

>>>>>we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the advancements

>>>>>of

>>>>>science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons

>>>>>everywhere)

>>>>>who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are

>>>>>still

>>>>>idiots who think the Earth is snickers 8,000 years old! It baffles me

>>>>>as

>>>>>to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he dumb

>>>>>ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you can

>>>>>be

>>>>>religious and not buy into that nonsense.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> So, you can't define the center, yet you are calling someone that did

>>>> define the center an idiot.

>>>>

>>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.

>>>>

>>>> What is the center of an infinite space?

>>>

>>>I have no idea what you are on about. There is no centre of infinite space

>>>so why are you saying there is a centre?

>>>

>> Because the math gets rather difficult without one. You are the one

>> that stated "Who was the retarded idiot who said that? " to an

>> accurate statement as to the current method of defining referentials

>> within the current space.

>>

>> It isn't hard to understand. Most everything in space is measured with

>> reference to Earth. Therefore that is your center point. It is

>> completely arbitrary but that does not alter the fact the cosmological

>> models use the Earth as the center.

>>

>> Your mistake is confusing actual science with your religious mumbo

>> jumbo.

>>

>Even if that's true it isn't the centre of the universe that ancient people

>thought Earth was and you know it.

>

I don't give a flying **** about ancient people or what ever dogmatic

bullshit you seem to think is important. The statement you had your

hissy fit about is:

"Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

Universe"

Which is completely and 100% correct. The current cosmological model

places the earth in the center of a spere with a radius of about

15billion light years. This is called the observable universe. In that

universe, which is all that we can measure, the Earth is the center.

It gets better, the observer is the actual center of the observable

universe.

Cosmology says I am the center of the universe. But then again, so are

you.

But with the exception of a couple astronauts, everyone is on Earth,

the Earth is the center of the universe. It is a fact.

However there is a somewhat new theory that may alter that, but that

would require a whole bunch of dark matter and it is unproven, as yet.

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:26:49 +1100, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>

>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>news:1cerl4t2p1ff5tsf97eggigl53h02q32a8@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:36:47 +1100, in the land of

>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>news:sjbrl45gs0jjqd2gvl6c2t5g7breed098b@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of

>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of

>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>><fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

>>>>>

>>>>>I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In

>>>>>fact

>>>>>we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not

>>>>>ended.

>>>>>The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you

>>>>>said

>>>>>it

>>>>>is impossible.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?

>>

>> Hrmm, no response, funny that.

>>

>>>>

>>>> Since there is no center, the arbitrary center is the point from which

>>>> you make your measurements.

>>>>

>>>There is no centre period.

>>

>> So here is no reference point in your universe. That must make the

>> math a bit difficult.

>>

>>>

>>>> That would be for the purposes of most cosmological models, the Earth.

>>>> So it is fully correct to define the Earth as the center of the

>>>> universe.

>>>>

>>>Has anyone actually been swayed by the bullshit you post?

>>

>> Is that your refutation? No actual thought, just "yer lying"? Can you

>> prove I am wrong? I gave you the facts, if your simple mind cannot

>> fathom that the center, for the purposes of cosmology, is the origin

>> then that is the fault of your education system or your genetics.

>>

>>>

>>>> Now that you hopefully understand the facts, who would be the

>>>> "retarded idiot" that did not know how referentials within infinite

>>>> space are manufactured.

>>>>

>>>I don't know what your on about

>>

>> That was obvious when you started claiming people are "retarded

>> idiots" for understanding basic astronomical and cosmological

>> concepts. ****** ****, it is ******* basic geometry.

>>

>>

>>>but you know the people who said Earth was

>>>the centre of the universe thought *** made the universe and Earth

>>>especially for us so since humans are so important we are obviously at the

>>>centre of the universe.

>>>

>>

>> So you think modern cosmology and the astrology and religion of bygone

>> eras are the same. That would define "idiot".

>>

>> Hint here "retarded idiot" the main reason the cosmological models

>> define the earth as the center is because distances in the universe

>> are all measured with Earth as the Zero point (aka center). It would

>> be silly to designate some other point as the center and then

>> reference that with some offset to Earth.

>>

>> Now would you care to claim some other bogus pseudo-religious bullshit

>> as your proof?

>>

>This is getting boring. No I don't place any point of the universe as centre

>because the universe is constantly expanding and that would be stupid.

>

And from Earth all observable edges are the same distance away.

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these types

>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it is

>pointless debating with them.

>

Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current

cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of

the observable universe.

"Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

Universe"

Why not try a little research and find out whether or not that

statement is true (it is). Or would that require you to aleviate your

own ignorance?

I do find it interesting tha somehow common scientific knowledge makes

me some sort of flat earther and the ones that keep referring to the

flat earthers think their scientific knowledge is current.

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:35:20 GMT, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:

>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:36:47 +1100, in the land of

>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>

>>>

>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:sjbrl45gs0jjqd2gvl6c2t5g7breed098b@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of

>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of

>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

>>>>> I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In

>>>>> fact

>>>>> we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not

>>>>> ended.

>>>>> The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you said

>>>>> it

>>>>> is impossible.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?

>>

>> Hrmm, no response, funny that.

>

>Why does anyone have any responsibility to answer your GROUND SHIFTING?

> B^)

>

>I suggest you take it as a no. B^D

>

>A point of reference for measurements does NOT equate to 'Centre'

>

>Let me introduce you to Mr Line.

>

>0--------------------C---------------p-----

>

>

>Point "P" is measured from Origin "O" , which is not the centre "C"

>of the line.

>

>Next week we introduce you to Mr Cartesian plane.. and then

>

>n-dimensional space.

>

>

>Bring your protractor, you will be asked to demonstrate the CENTRE!

>

>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!

>

>

>

>Tell me, a bright young turnip like you must have heard of Klein's

>bottle, one of many interesting topological structures...

>

>when did you decide to emulate it;

>

>

>http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html

>

>

>

>>

>>>> Since there is no center, the arbitrary center is the point from which

>>>> you make your measurements.

>>>>

>>> There is no centre period.

>>

>> So here is no reference point in your universe.

>

>No, there are as many as you like. Why do you try and pretend they

>are the centre of the Solar System, the Galaxy or any other known

>feature of the Cosmos?

>

>I suggest you start at GO, do not collect $200.

>

> > That must make the

>> math a bit difficult.

>

>If math depended on you finding the Centre of the Universe before

>we measured the distance from London to Bath, or Uranus from Sol

>we would be in considerable difficulty!

Now, would you like to try that using cosmology and the observable

universe where all edges are 15 billion lightyears from Earth?

Seon Ferguson · Jan 2, 2009

"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

news:61jrl4dhu0mcck0a37stihlvumj0g0plcb@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these

>>types

>>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it

>>is

>>pointless debating with them.

>>

>

> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current

> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of

> the observable universe.

>

> "Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

> Universe"

>

Good then we both agree that Earth isn't at the centre of the universe. Just

because it seems to be the centre when we look out at the stars and stuff

doesn't make it so.

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:27:52 +1100, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>

>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>news:61jrl4dhu0mcck0a37stihlvumj0g0plcb@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of

>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>

>>>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these

>>>types

>>>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it

>>>is

>>>pointless debating with them.

>>>

>>

>> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current

>> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of

>> the observable universe.

>>

>> "Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>> Universe"

>>

>Good then we both agree that Earth isn't at the centre of the universe. Just

>because it seems to be the centre when we look out at the stars and stuff

>doesn't make it so.

>

What weird world do you live in where you think your hissy fit of

utter ignorance was right and I agree? Earth is the center and no

amount of whining on your part alters the observable facts.

Maybe you can convince the observable universe to change and then we

will not be at the center.

fasgnadh · Jan 2, 2009

Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:25:53 GMT, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>> Aratzio wrote:

>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of

>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>

>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAA

>>

>>

>> Ask that Idiot, "Grand Ultima generalissimo Axel Insane Verbooti",

>> (clearly a Big Sy Baba fan ;-) who says Earth is at it! B^D

>>

>> What IS clear is that any body ORBITITING around another body,

>> IS NOT IT! B^D

>

> Why not?

Because an arbitrary origin is not a centre! B^]

I hope you enjoyed meeting Mr Line in a previous post,

let's wander about Mr Cartesian Plane and see what we can find! B^D

| o The centre of object 'o' defined by

----- x,y coordinates(1,1) and radius r is not

| the arbitrary origin by which it was defined.

I killed a dragon, and the Kings reward is my own Kingdom,

defined by how far I can walk in a fixed time period.

I walk 20 k east because that's fertile farmland,

I walk 5 k nor' nor' west because that's the best port on the coast

I walk 7 k sou' sou' West to include the gold mines,

but not the western Desert...

finally I walk 15k sou' south East to include some pristine tree covered

mountain wilderness with crystal clear rivers and wild game.

What was my origin? Why is the origin, the reference point, not the

centre of my new kingdom? B^)

If I had navigated using a Star as my fixed reference point,

would that be the centre of my Kingdom? B^)

Can anyone with grade school math explain why not to 'Ratzio!? B^D

Oh, lets call the star Sol, because Axel's mum just invented

space travel and next episode we are moving into 3,4 and then

n -dimensional space

> It is an arbitrary point of reference

It certainly is. I could have started ANYWHERE, including the geometric

centre.. but I didn't need to start at the geometric centre to have

an arbitrary reference point, or origin.

> and has nothing to do with any other body.

> Unless you are defining the other body within the

> structure it is not relevant.

> All rotation does is alter the angle

> with respect to the zero point.

And what does that have to do with the centre? B^)

fasgnadh · Jan 2, 2009

Seon Ferguson wrote:

>

>

> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

> news:a6frl41relo7ap55fk6lorbvgg7tfg7aqf@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:37:45 +1100, in the land of

>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:lfbrl4thd4fbbs5ako9k817l11aak8eomd@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of

>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of

>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3

>>>>>>>>> <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is

>>>>>>>> flat?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a ****** is a

>>>>>>> insult to

>>>>>>> idiots

>>>>>>> and retards everywhere.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So where is the center?

>>>>>

>>>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark

>>>>> ages

>>>>> when

>>>>> we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the

>>>>> advancements

>>>>> of

>>>>> science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons

>>>>> everywhere)

>>>>> who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are

>>>>> still

>>>>> idiots who think the Earth is snickers 8,000 years old! It

>>>>> baffles me as

>>>>> to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he

>>>>> dumb

>>>>> ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you

>>>>> can be

>>>>> religious and not buy into that nonsense.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> So, you can't define the center, yet you are calling someone that did

>>>> define the center an idiot.

>>>>

>>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.

>>>>

>>>> What is the center of an infinite space?

>>>

>>> I have no idea what you are on about. There is no centre of infinite

>>> space

>>> so why are you saying there is a centre?

>>>

>> Because the math gets rather difficult without one. You are the one

>> that stated "Who was the retarded idiot who said that? " to an

>> accurate statement as to the current method of defining referentials

>> within the current space.

No, calling an arbitrary reference point the Centre of the Universe

is what is being mocked!

Oh, and Axel.

And you. B^)

>> It isn't hard to understand.

Not when people read your posts! B^D

>> Most everything in space is measured with

>> reference to Earth.

Everything In my state used to be measured by the distance from the

Capital City GPO, it wasn't the centre of the state, just the arbitrary

origin for measurement. Now it's measured by reference

to a signal from a geo-stationary satellite.. are we outside your

known universe? B^D

How have you determined that space extends equidistant from any

arbitrary reference point, and in particular the one you have chosen?

How do you know you have counted all those doing measurements in the

Universe.

How many have you actually surveyed? ;-)

>> Therefore that is your center point.

"Things fall apart, your centre cannot hold.." B^D

And your centre point when your height from the ground is measured?

Yours is the only Chakra with gravel rash! B^D

>> It is completely arbitrary

>> but that does not alter the fact the cosmological

>> models use the Earth as the center.

"The Galactic Center is the rotational center of the Milky Way galaxy"

Looks like you would miss the centre by quite a few light years! B^D

Tell me, from any point in the solar system, when asked to point

to the centre of the Solar System, do you point toward Earth or Sol? B^)

Even when standing on Venus?

>> Your mistake is confusing actual science with your religious mumbo

>> jumbo.

No, religion hasn't been mentioned, except by you and your Vatican

Geocentric cosmology! B^D

So, what religious mumbo jumbo? You are the only one claiming

to speak on behalf of 'the cosmological models' which includes

all the ancient religious Geocentric models.

The universe is expanding, there is no Centre.

> Even if that's true it isn't the centre of the universe that ancient

> people thought Earth was and you know it.

Seon Ferguson · Jan 2, 2009

"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

news:vikrl49jukn4s0dc1j6lf51msq2b5a4d8c@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:27:52 +1100, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>>

>>

>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>news:61jrl4dhu0mcck0a37stihlvumj0g0plcb@4ax.com...

>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of

>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>

>>>>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these

>>>>types

>>>>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it

>>>>is

>>>>pointless debating with them.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current

>>> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of

>>> the observable universe.

>>>

>>> "Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>> Universe"

>>>

>>Good then we both agree that Earth isn't at the centre of the universe.

>>Just

>>because it seems to be the centre when we look out at the stars and stuff

>>doesn't make it so.

>>

>

> What weird world do you live in where you think your hissy fit of

> utter ignorance was right and I agree? Earth is the center and no

> amount of whining on your part alters the observable facts.

>

Right so a infinite universe has a centre sure and Earth is really flat and

8,000 years old rolls eyes

fasgnadh · Jan 2, 2009

Aratzio misrepresents the "cosmological models":

> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:46:48 GMT, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>> Aratzio wrote:

>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of

>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>

>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of

>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a ****** is a insult to

>>>>>> idiots and retards everywhere.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> So where is the center?

>>>>>

>>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages when

>>>> we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the advancements of

>>>> science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons everywhere)

>>>> who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are still

>>>> idiots who think the Earth is snickers 8,000 years old! It baffles me as

>>>> to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he dumb

>>>> ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you can be

>>>> religious and not buy into that nonsense.

>>>>

>>> So, you can't define the center,

>> He never attempted to, Axle Insane, and you apparently,

>> are the only ones pretending that it can be defined and that

>> it could be Earth!!!! B^D

>

> Maximum obsevable space is 15 billion light years in every direction

> from Earth. Therefore within the "observable universe" we are

> precisely at the center.

Brilliant explanation of how you are the centre of the Gobi desert,

no matter where you stand! Unless there is a sandstorm to the West!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAAAA!

> There is a clue there but I am guessing you

> are not smart enough to figure it out.

Geocentrism is a product of ego and anthropocentrism, not science.

>>> yet you are calling someone that did

>>> define the center an idiot.

>>

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

>>

>> Only because he IS an idiot, possibly as big an idiot as you! B^D

>>

>> Explain how the Centre the Universe can orbit around the Sun!? B^]

>

> Explain how is cannot.

Let me rephrase the question.. 'Explain IN ENGLISH how the

CENTRE of the universe ORBITS AROUND the sun?..."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Look I know you are rattled! Clearly you have fallen at the

first hurdle.

> Explain why the observed space ends in every

> direction at the same distance from Earth.

Answer my question and then PROVE that it does

end in every direction, first.

> If I get all sciency on you

> your gonna get all cornfuzelled and then you'll be posting more

> ignorant gibberish.

Like that example from you? B^]

>>

>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.

>>

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism

>

> Sad, that isn't "current cosmologyl", cupcake.

Sad that I had to tell you that and you had to pretend to

correct me by repeating it, fruitcake!

You claimed, and I quote:

"that does not alter the fact the cosmological

models use the Earth as the center."

You lied to us, Aratzio, the cosmological models are clearly varied,

and do not all support your Vatican Geocentrism, in fact it was

disproved by the empirical evidence!

I merely presented one cosmological model which invalidated your claim! 8^o

I made no claims about that model, in fact I critiqued it, below:

You must learn to deal with the FACTS, and not your erroneous

assumptions about them! B^)

> You do know the

> difference between history and current?

Do you know the difference between dealing with an argument put to you,

once you have understood it, ...and wrestling a straw man of your own

invention? B^)

It is always telling when a cretin pounces after the first line

of a complex proof, makes false ASSUMPTIONS about what argument is

going to be, and wrestles their own straw-man.

Let me paint it for the reader so they can see how misguided you

are about the observable universe of this discussion, because I can

change your centre, simply by removing your blinkers! B^D

Heliocentrism was clearly not put as an alternative to your

Geocentrism, merely to disprove your false claim that "the cosmological

models use the Earth as the center."

This is clear from the comment below.. so lets

see your reaction to my rejection of Heliocentrism...

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Geoz_wb_en.svg

>>

>> The Geocentric model was disproved, from empirical observations

>> some centuries ago.. you seem to be a particularly slow-witted dolt

>> and have not yet caught up with the news!

That's your ancient cosmology dealt with, centuries ago.

The Sun does not revolve around the Earth, The Earth orbits the sun.

Ergo The earth cannot be the centre of any physical space larger than

the Solar system.

No claim is made, by me, that the Sun is the centre of the Universe,

there is none.

Note, the limited Empirical evidence from deep space

observations is not necessary.

However it supports the abandonment of your Vatican Cosmology

because our solar system also revolves around a distant galactic centre!

B^D

Here we are:

>> [Note: the Heliocentric model does not put Sol at the centre of the

>> universe, or even at the geometric centre of the Solar System, as the

>> planet's orbits are elliptical. ]

viz, there was no claim that Heliocentrism was a cosmology which

I was advancing, merely that your claim "the cosmological

models use the Earth as the center" was a lie, not a fact.

>

> A truly a pathetic maundering and so incredibly wrong.

Your attempt to misrepresent Heliocentrism as a cosmology

I was asserting, surely was.

You only have to explain how the 'centre of the Universe'

has an elliptical orbit around two foci which it does not occupy.

{snicker}

I'm sure you have empirical evidence that the other planets, the

observable stars, galaxies and distant radio emitters all

maintain the same elliptical orbit around Earth. B^)

If not the earth can never be the centre. B^)

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

> Since we were speaking of the "current cosmology"

The reason people are clutching the walls and standing

in the door-frames is because we all just felt the Ground Shift!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

"the fact the cosmological

models use the Earth as the center." has somehow become

a SINGULAR rather than a plural, AFTER I showed the

original was a lie.

You owe us all an apology.

> and not astronomy

> you will find that to be the correct link.

Any link to a cosmology is the correct link when

you claim "the cosmological models use the Earth

as the center."

> You can thank me later.

Thanks for demonstrating you have no consistent argument.

Once an internal contradiction is established in a theory,

no further empitical proof of it's falsity is required.

>> However, as the planets shown do orbit Sol, how can any of them be

>> the centre of our Solar system? and therefore of any larger

>> meta-structure, such as our galaxy, where we spin on one of the

>> spiral arms, or the universe, or even the backs of the turtles

>> which you and Alex Insane seem to think it all rests upon!

>>

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA

>

> Because gibbering fool,

Insult after ground-shifting, after being caught out!

You really are folding faster than deckchairs on the Titanic! B^D

> you are confused by the fact you have not even

> the vaguest of clues what the phrase "current cosmology" meant

It means your claim "the cosmological models use the Earth as the

center." has ground-shifted AFTER i have shown that it is false.

> and are

> wandering around ***** nilly spewing unrelated astrological

> observations as if they are somehow germane to the

"cosmological models " we are discussing.. it sure is!

There are many of them, but you are clearly ignorant of that,

and thus have tried to ALTER the ambit of discussion which YOU

had previously used.

The discussion is about the your claim that there is a centre

to the universe, and that Earth is it.. now that you are floundering

you seek to redefine the subject, then, contradicting yourself,

redefine it further, AND attempt to exclude all observational

evidence and rational argument.. leaving you only to post

web links which you clearly don't even understand and cannot

explain.

Go on, Lightweight, "get all sciency" let's see of you can.

Show everyone how "your gonna get all cornfuzelled" B^D

instead of "posting more ignorant gibberish."

> current cosmology.

Every position has its own observable universe.

The comoving distance from Sol to the edge of the visible universe (also

called particle horizon) is about 14 billion parsecs (46.5 billion

light-years) in any direction.'

The comoving distance from Earth to the edge of the visible universe

(also called particle horizon) is about 14 billion parsecs (46.5 billion

light-years) in any direction.'

As the earth orbits around the Sun, the precise centre is closer to the sun.

>>> What is the center of an infinite space?

>>

>> Certainly not orbiting around a point, or two. B^)

>

> Yes it is. The observable universe is a sphere centered upon the

> observer. Which makes the Earth the cosmological center of the

> universe.

Oh, do try and keep up with the Cosmological argument, you self-

contradicting dolt!

" Every position has its own observable universe."

According to your LATEST shifting position any observer is the

centre of the universe.

> Screaming about astronomy does not alter how cosmology works.

Screaming? you can't even accurately observe the universe of laughter!

B^D

Internal contradiction means your argument doesn't work.

Pretending you have understood current cosmology just makes you look

sillier!

>> Halfway between your ears, perhaps? B^D

>

> Want to try it sing the correct field of science

You can tap dance it or do the dance of the flaming arseholes,

But until you master the Universe of observable ENGLISH, you

are just an observer from the planet Gibber, the alternative

Centre of the Universe. apparently!

According to your latest misrepresentation of 'the cosmologies'

B^D

> thsi time,

The time? 10:08 EST, fruitcake..

can't you pretend Cosmologists afford a decent chronometer?

BEWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Another of your imaginary dimensions, to go with your

singular/plural cosmologies!? B^D

> cupcake?

no thanks, too close to bedtime, all that sugar might

give me a glucose high and make me babble, like you. B^)

> Aside: Why is it these fucckwits from alt.atheism are so incredibly

> ignorant of general science?

I think it's because you are all stuck back with Vatican Geocentrism

as one of your "Cosmologies", Sad really, after centuries the Vatican

has apologised to Galileo, I guess your news parchment just hasn't

arrived yet!

B^D

fasgnadh · Jan 2, 2009

Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>> I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these types

>> are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it is

>> pointless debating with them.

>>

>

> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current

> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of

> the observable universe.

No, Current Cosmology places the Observer at centre of the observable

universe!

What does 'the Earth' observe? pffft!

Dealing with you scientifically illiterate pagan animists and rock

worshipping Geocentrists is tiresome! B^p

> "Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

> Universe"

No, current Cosmology places the OBSERVER at the centre of the

observable universe.

If they are on the moon "Current Cosmology places THEM, not the Earth as

a centre of the observable universe!

Q.E.D.

As we continue to travel in space you will continue to be more

wrong about the EARTH that you already are.. and if we encounter

other intelligences they will join me in laughing at you.

It seems I have had to teach both you and Axel Insane

that difference between "Cosmological models",

'the Cosmological model", "the Current csomological

model" and "Most Cosmological models" which you have

used interchangeably!

you have confused "the Earth" with "the Observer"

and The Centre with a centre among many.

You have had 3 distinct and self-contradictory positions

ground shifting from

a) Position 1 'Please feel free to point out the center

of an infinite space.' duh, no thanks! B^D to..

Position 2. "that does not alter the fact the cosmological

models use the Earth as the center." and then

when at least one cosmological model proved you were lying

you ground-shifted again to insist only ONE cosmological

model should be considered..

although you continue to simultaneously refer to

'most cosmologies' B^D

Since then, as internal inconsistency invalidates your

cosmological argument. I have been playing with you.

It's been fun.. I have a nice Einstein Thought Experiment

you might enjoy!

> Why not try a little research and find out whether or not that

> statement is true (it is).

No it isn't. the Earth is not an observer.

And an Observer is not the Earth.

Why would anyone undertake research, you won't consider

Astronomical evidence or reason, you are only capable

of dogmatic and inaccurate repetition of a flawed

understanding of Cosmological theories.

>

> I do find it interesting tha somehow common scientific knowledge makes

> me some sort of flat earther

Well if you got it right he might have called you a 'flat-observer'

but as you confuse the two..... B^D

Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 · Jan 2, 2009

On Jan 2, 1:04?am, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

> <seo...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >"Aratzio" <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

> >news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...

> >> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of

> >> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

> >> <seo...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>

> >>>"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

>

> >>>> <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>>>news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

> >>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

> >>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

> >>>>>>>> Universe,

>

> >>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>

> >>>Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a ****** is a insult to

> >>>idiots

> >>>and retards everywhere.

>

> >> So where is the center?

>

> >Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages when

> >we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the advancements of

> >science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons everywhere)

> >who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are still

> >idiots who think the Earth is snickers 8,000 years old! It baffles me as

> >to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he dumb

> >ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you can be

> >religious and not buy into that nonsense.

>

> So, you can't define the center, yet you are calling someone that did

> define the center an idiot.

>

> You said they were wrong, now prove it.

>

> What is the center of an infinite space?

First off, space isn't infinite. All points in space are accelerating

away from all other points in space, beginning with a singularity in

which it is meaningless to talk about spacial or temporal dimensions.

Thus there have always been limits. And that's putting aside entirely

the question as to whether we live in an open, closed, or flat

geometry, which makes the matter more complex.

The center of the universe is where the big bang occurred. And since

the CBR (the residual noise of the big bang) is completely uniform,

ALL points in space are the point at which the big bang occurred.

Making where you're standing the center of the universe. Or where I'm

standing. Or Mars. Or the Sun. Or Rigel, the Andromeda galaxy, or

some Quasar 8 billion light years away.

If you want to dispute the big bang, you're going to have to invoke

all sorts of exotic ideas such as tired photos (as an explanation for

the red shift) and come up with an alternative method of baryogenesis,

which as far as we know can only occur in human-made circumstance or

in the very young universe of big bang cosmology.

--

Axel | D.A.R. | mhm23x3 | GS11

Meower since 1996-03-30 (wave 2.3) | mhm since 1998-06-18

Denizen of alt.food.dennys | Father of alt.food.mentos

Grand Ultimageneralissimo of the Shock and Awe wing of the Usenet

Flame Force / Defensive Alliance

fasgnadh · Jan 2, 2009

Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:22:36 GMT, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>> Aratzio wrote:

>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of

>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>

>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of

>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>

>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>>

>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

>>>>

>>>> I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In fact

>>>> we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not ended.

>>>> The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you said it

>>>> is impossible.

>>>>

>>>>

>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?

>> No, an origin for co-ordinates need not be a centre,

>> and elliptical orbits have two foci, not a centre,

>> (unless the foci coincide, producing a circle), for example:

>>

>> | O

>> -------

>> |

>>

>> The eliptical orbit "O" can be described by any set

>> of points (x,y) in the Cartesian plane satisfying an equation of the form:

>>

>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/4/b/94bc0fbfc1ace2e887afbc22be6d3520.png

>>

>> where a and b are any positive real numbers.

>

> What happens if all measurements indicate your point of observation is

> the same distance from all observable ends?

And that is the case for every observation point!

All those on the Earth, the Moon.. during space travel!

So much for 'THE centre' being Earth!

As every observer is the same distance

from all observable ends, it

is absurd to claim any ONE is "THE" centre. B^)

Now, if we note that observation point A orbits around

observation point B.

Which one is 'THE 'centre'?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA

And when astronauts leave the Earth, you cannot speak of

'THE centre' of the universe.

You can only speak of a centre of the observable universe,

for each observer.

Do you need to consult one or more 'Cosmologies' before

you decide which ones you have to abandon this time!? B^ ]

Listen, if you are IN the observable universe, (I make no

assumptions ;-) you might like to take a little Einstein

thought experiment to prove it..

I suggest in your case you use a rope, (to make sure you

don't fly off into the void) or a garden hose....

Get Axel Insane to stand in the middle of your yard and hold

one end of the rope, and taking hold of the other end, stretch it

between you, and then start slowly circle-ambulating him.

Now, both observe your observable universe. it should

be almost identical ...neither of you can see through the fence

both of you can see the clouds. If you live in the Gobi desert

or are on a Sea Cruise, the horizon will be equidistant

Now, you tell Axel to close his eyes so you are the only

observer and then ask him who is the centre of his

observable universe!

I love playing with you guys.

Can we have a session on Wave/particle nature of light? B^)

Would you like to pet Shroedingers cat? B^D

fasgnadh · Jan 2, 2009

Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:35:20 GMT, in the land of

> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

> got double secret probation for writing:

>

>> Aratzio wrote:

>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:36:47 +1100, in the land of

>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>

>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:sjbrl45gs0jjqd2gvl6c2t5g7breed098b@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of

>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...

>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of

>>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

That was 'Ratzios first position!

Position 2 was

" the fact the cosmological models use the Earth as the center."

Well, the Vatican's Geocentric cosmological model does! B^D

But Aratzio won't accept Galileo's Astronomical evidence that

refuted that cosmology... and after I presented him with other

cosmological models eg Heliocentrism, which falsified his position,

he ground-shifted to "the cosmological model", "the Current Cosmological

model" and "most cosmological models" B^D

He still can't decide on his Cosmocomical model de jour!

>>>>>> I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In

>>>>>> fact

>>>>>> we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not

>>>>>> ended.

>>>>>> The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you said

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> is impossible.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?

Every time he tried to actually make an argument, rather than just

post a reference to a web site he clearly hasn't understood, he

made a fool of himself:

>>> Hrmm, no response, funny that.

>> Why does anyone have any responsibility to answer your GROUND SHIFTING?

>> B^)

>>

>> I suggest you take it as a no. B^D

>>

>> A point of reference for measurements does NOT equate to 'Centre'

>>

>> Let me introduce you to Mr Line.

>>

>> 0--------------------C---------------p-----

>>

>>

>> Point "P" is measured from Origin "O" , which is not the centre "C"

>> of the line.

That was fun!

After that he suddenly stopped making 'non-cosmological' argument!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA!

>> Next week we introduce you to Mr Cartesian plane.. and then

>>

>> n-dimensional space.

>>

>>

>> Bring your protractor, you will be asked to demonstrate the CENTRE!

>>

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!

>>

>>

>>

>> Tell me, a bright young turnip like you must have heard of Klein's

>> bottle, one of many interesting topological structures...

>>

>> when did you decide to emulate it;

>>

>>

>> http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html

>>

After that rout Aratzio became a minimalist, small target,

refusing to answer questions:

>>

>>>>> Since there is no center, the arbitrary center is the point from which

>>>>> you make your measurements.

>>>>>

>>>> There is no centre period.

He was still intimating SINGLE reference points to the universe,

the old Roman Catholic Geocentrism:

>>> So here is no reference point in your universe.

>>

>> No, there are as many as you like.

As many as there are observers! NOT as many as there

are physical objects:

>> Why do you try and pretend they

>> are the centre of the Solar System, the Galaxy or any other known

>> feature of the Cosmos?

He still is, he confuses 'the Earth' with the Observer!

>> I suggest you start at GO, do not collect $200.

>>

>>> That must make the

>>> math a bit difficult.

>>

>> If math depended on you finding the Centre of the Universe before

>> we measured the distance from London to Bath, or Uranus from Sol

>> we would be in considerable difficulty!

Having made NO reference to cosmology and failing to refute

my evisceration of HIS non-cosmological argument, and ignoring

any question put to him.. he invited ME to make his argument

for him! B^)

> Now, would you like to try that using cosmology

Not till you find out which one is your Cosmology de jour!

This has been much more fun!

> and the observable

> universe where all edges are 15 billion lightyears from Earth?

Or the Moon, if that's where the observer is! B^D

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:55:13 GMT, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:

>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:25:53 GMT, in the land of

>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

>> got double secret probation for writing:

>>

>>> Aratzio wrote:

>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of

>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?

>>>>>

>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAA

>>>

>>>

>>> Ask that Idiot, "Grand Ultima generalissimo Axel Insane Verbooti",

>>> (clearly a Big Sy Baba fan ;-) who says Earth is at it! B^D

>>>

>>> What IS clear is that any body ORBITITING around another body,

>>> IS NOT IT! B^D

>>

>> Why not?

>

>Because an arbitrary origin is not a centre! B^]

If I call the center, it is the center. It is "arbitrary".

>

<snip irrellevancies>

The Earth is the center of the observable universe. No amount of hand

waving and claiming that astronomy overrides cosmology alters that.

Aratzio · Jan 2, 2009

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:32:54 GMT, in the land of

alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>

got double secret probation for writing:

>Seon Ferguson wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>> news:a6frl41relo7ap55fk6lorbvgg7tfg7aqf@4ax.com...

>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:37:45 +1100, in the land of

>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:lfbrl4thd4fbbs5ako9k817l11aak8eomd@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of

>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...

>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of

>>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"

>>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3

>>>>>>>>>> <mhm2...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology does place the Earth at the center of the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is

>>>>>>>>> flat?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a ****** is a

>>>>>>>> insult to

>>>>>>>> idiots

>>>>>>>> and retards everywhere.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So where is the center?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark

>>>>>> ages

>>>>>> when

>>>>>> we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the

>>>>>> advancements

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons

>>>>>> everywhere)

>>>>>> who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are

>>>>>> still

>>>>>> idiots who think the Earth is snickers 8,000 years old! It

>>>>>> baffles me as

>>>>>> to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he

>>>>>> dumb

>>>>>> ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you

>>>>>> can be

>>>>>> religious and not buy into that nonsense.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> So, you can't define the center, yet you are calling someone that did

>>>>> define the center an idiot.

>>>>>

>>>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.

>>>>>

>>>>> What is the center of an infinite space?

>>>>

>>>> I have no idea what you are on about. There is no centre of infinite

>>>> space

>>>> so why are you saying there is a centre?

>>>>

>>> Because the math gets rather difficult without one. You are the one

>>> that stated "Who was the retarded idiot who said that? " to an

>>> accurate statement as to the current method of defining referentials

>>> within the current space.

>

>No, calling an arbitrary reference point the Centre of the Universe

>is what is being mocked!

>

>Oh, and Axel.

>

>And you. B^)

>

<snip more hand waving>

The Earth is a arbitrary point in an infinite space.

All observations indicate a sphere.

All measurements to the observable ends are the same.

The Earth is the center of the uninverse.

It does not matter whether the Earth rotates a potato, that has no

bearing upon the observable universe.

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