Fred: "Our basic rights come from God, not from government."

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/republicans_guns/2007/09/21/34710.html

Giuliani: I Support Right to Bear Arms

Friday, September 21, 2007

"I'd like us to respect each other; I think we have very, very legitimate

and mostly similar views," Rudy Giuliani told NRA members on Friday.

WASHINGTON -- Republican Rudy Giuliani sought to reassure the National Rifle

Association of his support for a constitutional right to bear arms as rivals

Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mike Huckabee contended the former New York

mayor is no friend of gun owners.

In a direct appeal Friday to the powerful lobbying group, Thompson, McCain

and Huckabee stressed their backing for gun rights and record of siding with

the NRA. Giuliani, who once referred to the NRA as "extremists," tried to

explain his shifting views on the issue.

The NRA's support is prized as the group blankets its 4 million members with

ads, mailings and phone calls. Before the 2008 election, it hopes to

increase its numbers.

"I'd like us to respect each other; I think we have very, very legitimate

and mostly similar views," Giuliani told NRA members, who clapped politely a

dozen times during his 20-minute speech.

Giuliani also tried to explain why, as mayor, he joined a lawsuit by several

cities against the gun industry, arguing that manufacturers and distributors

made it too easy for criminals to get guns.

On Friday, he said the ongoing lawsuit "has taken several turns and several

twists I don't agree with."

Giuliani, an outspoken proponent of gun control during his eight years as

mayor, said Friday he agrees with a recent federal court ruling that

overturned a 30-year-old ban on private ownership of handguns in Washington,

D.C. He added that he would appoint judges who take a similarly strict view

of the Constitution and the Second Amendment.

Despite Giuliani's changing views, NRA chief Wayne LaPierre said: "All I

know is, I liked what I heard today. It's a good thing, if a politician sees

the light and supports the Second Amendment."

Thompson, McCain and Huckabee chose to highlight their record on gun rights

in a veiled criticism of Giuliani and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

In 1994, Romney supported the Brady gun control law and said he wouldn't be

the hero of the NRA.

Romney became a lifetime member of the NRA in 2006. He addressed the group

by video Friday.

"Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand: I support the

Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every

American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all

the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights," he said.

Thompson, who makes a point of visiting gun shops and gun shows in early

voting states, received a warmer reception from the audience of about 500

people, some of whom stood and cheered when he said: "Our basic rights come

from God, not from government."

Thompson recently indicated that he wouldn't talk about his faith on the

campaign trail.

"It's not just a matter of promises made, as far as I'm concerned. It's a

matter of commitments that have been kept," Thompson said.

McCain criticized Giuliani outright, citing the use of the word "extremists"

in reference to the NRA.

"My friends, gun owners are not extremists; you are the core of modern

America," the Arizona senator said. "The Second Amendment is unique in the

world and at the core of our constitutional freedoms. It guarantees an

individual right to keep and bear arms. To argue anything else is to reject

the clear meaning of our founding fathers.

Anti-war protesters from the group Code Pink interrupted his speech and were

escorted from the hotel ballroom.

The candidates spoke to the NRA as gun violence occurred on another college

campus. Two students were shot and wounded, one seriously, at Delaware State

University, and the campus was locked down as police searched for a gunman.

Such tragedies inevitably prompt politicians to argue over whether more or

fewer gun restrictions would prevent gun crimes. Giuliani said he believes

the best way to prevent such crimes is to enforce existing gun laws, not

create new ones.

The former mayor said his views on gun rights were tempered by the Sept. 11,

2001, terrorist attacks: "Sept. 11 casts somewhat of a different light on

Second Amendment rights; it maybe highlights the necessity for them more,"

Giuliani said.

Giuliani sought to make the case for his candidacy by highlighting his

front-runner status in national polls.

"You never get a candidate you agree with 100 percent _ I'm not sure I even

agree with myself 100 percent," Giuliani said. "You have to figure out who's

electable, who can win. Because if we make a mistake about that, this

country is going to go in a direction that I think you and I very much

disagree with."

Giuliani has said recently that what has worked in New York might not work

elsewhere, a notion that Huckabee scoffed at.

The former Arkansas governor said it was "absurd, laughable, that we would

have geographic boundaries on the tenets of the Second Amendment."

Giuliani's cell phone rang in the middle of his speech; he said it was his

wife, Judith, and as the audience laughed, he answered it and had a brief

conversation.

On Sep 22, 8:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/republicans_guns/2007/09/21/34710.html

>

> Giuliani: I Support Right to Bear Arms

>

> Friday, September 21, 2007

>

> "I'd like us to respect each other; I think we have very, very legitimate

> and mostly similar views," Rudy Giuliani told NRA members on Friday.

>

> WASHINGTON -- Republican Rudy Giuliani sought to reassure the National Rifle

> Association of his support for a constitutional right to bear arms as rivals

> Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mike Huckabee contended the former New York

> mayor is no friend of gun owners.

>

> In a direct appeal Friday to the powerful lobbying group, Thompson, McCain

> and Huckabee stressed their backing for gun rights and record of siding with

> the NRA. Giuliani, who once referred to the NRA as "extremists," tried to

> explain his shifting views on the issue.

>

> The NRA's support is prized as the group blankets its 4 million members with

> ads, mailings and phone calls. Before the 2008 election, it hopes to

> increase its numbers.

>

> "I'd like us to respect each other; I think we have very, very legitimate

> and mostly similar views," Giuliani told NRA members, who clapped politely a

> dozen times during his 20-minute speech.

>

> Giuliani also tried to explain why, as mayor, he joined a lawsuit by several

> cities against the gun industry, arguing that manufacturers and distributors

> made it too easy for criminals to get guns.

>

> On Friday, he said the ongoing lawsuit "has taken several turns and several

> twists I don't agree with."

>

> Giuliani, an outspoken proponent of gun control during his eight years as

> mayor, said Friday he agrees with a recent federal court ruling that

> overturned a 30-year-old ban on private ownership of handguns in Washington,

> D.C. He added that he would appoint judges who take a similarly strict view

> of the Constitution and the Second Amendment.

>

> Despite Giuliani's changing views, NRA chief Wayne LaPierre said: "All I

> know is, I liked what I heard today. It's a good thing, if a politician sees

> the light and supports the Second Amendment."

>

> Thompson, McCain and Huckabee chose to highlight their record on gun rights

> in a veiled criticism of Giuliani and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

> In 1994, Romney supported the Brady gun control law and said he wouldn't be

> the hero of the NRA.

>

> Romney became a lifetime member of the NRA in 2006. He addressed the group

> by video Friday.

>

> "Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand: I support the

> Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every

> American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all

> the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights," he said.

>

> Thompson, who makes a point of visiting gun shops and gun shows in early

> voting states, received a warmer reception from the audience of about 500

> people, some of whom stood and cheered when he said: "Our basic rights come

> from God, not from government."

>

> Thompson recently indicated that he wouldn't talk about his faith on the

> campaign trail.

>

> "It's not just a matter of promises made, as far as I'm concerned. It's a

> matter of commitments that have been kept," Thompson said.

>

> McCain criticized Giuliani outright, citing the use of the word "extremists"

> in reference to the NRA.

>

> "My friends, gun owners are not extremists; you are the core of modern

> America," the Arizona senator said. "The Second Amendment is unique in the

> world and at the core of our constitutional freedoms. It guarantees an

> individual right to keep and bear arms. To argue anything else is to reject

> the clear meaning of our founding fathers.

>

> Anti-war protesters from the group Code Pink interrupted his speech and were

> escorted from the hotel ballroom.

>

> The candidates spoke to the NRA as gun violence occurred on another college

> campus. Two students were shot and wounded, one seriously, at Delaware State

> University, and the campus was locked down as police searched for a gunman.

>

> Such tragedies inevitably prompt politicians to argue over whether more or

> fewer gun restrictions would prevent gun crimes. Giuliani said he believes

> the best way to prevent such crimes is to enforce existing gun laws, not

> create new ones.

>

> The former mayor said his views on gun rights were tempered by the Sept. 11,

> 2001, terrorist attacks: "Sept. 11 casts somewhat of a different light on

> Second Amendment rights; it maybe highlights the necessity for them more,"

> Giuliani said.

>

> Giuliani sought to make the case for his candidacy by highlighting his

> front-runner status in national polls.

>

> "You never get a candidate you agree with 100 percent _ I'm not sure I even

> agree with myself 100 percent," Giuliani said. "You have to figure out who's

> electable, who can win. Because if we make a mistake about that, this

> country is going to go in a direction that I think you and I very much

> disagree with."

>

> Giuliani has said recently that what has worked in New York might not work

> elsewhere, a notion that Huckabee scoffed at.

>

> The former Arkansas governor said it was "absurd, laughable, that we would

> have geographic boundaries on the tenets of the Second Amendment."

>

> Giuliani's cell phone rang in the middle of his speech; he said it was his

> wife, Judith, and as the audience laughed, he answered it and had a brief

> conversation.

OH NO, another "god" candidate, eh?

If Thompson is trying to do a Ronnie imitation, he is FAILING BADLY.

Citizen Jimserac

> Our basic rights come from society, not from God. God doesn't exist.

How do you know? Did God tell you that?

On Sep 22, 4:22 pm, Bert Byfield <BertByfi...@nospam.not> wrote:

> How do you know? Did God tell you that?

I don't know but there is no evidence God exists. The physical

evidence points out that the universe is controlled by particles,

fields and the forces between them.

On Sep 22, 4:22 pm, Bert Byfield <BertByfi...@nospam.not> wrote:

> How do you know? Did God tell you that?

I don't know but there is no evidence God exists. The physical

evidence points out that the universe is controlled by particles,

fields and the forces between them. That's from a physicalistic and

naturalistic point of view.

Patriot Games wrote:

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the

prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins,

the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime

itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious.

Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common

themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a

suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves

viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the

objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the

population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by

marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was

egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most

significant common thread among these regimes was the use of

scapegoating as a means to divert the people

"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote in message

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> Our basic rights come from society, not from God. God doesn't exist.

But you're previously stated that your personal philosophy is based on a

Smurf cartoon so ignoring you is remarkably easy....

"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Sep 22, 8:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/republicans_guns/2007/09/21/34710.html

>> Giuliani: I Support Right to Bear Arms

>> Friday, September 21, 2007

> OH NO, another "god" candidate, eh?

> If Thompson is trying to do a Ronnie imitation, he is FAILING BADLY.

I think he's sincere.

But I don't think its gonna matter much in the end. Rudy is solidly in the

driver's seat.

"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message

news:aAaJi.31$aa4.11@newsfe05.lga...

> Patriot Games wrote:

I wrote what? The 14 reasons to NEVER VOTE for Democrats???

On 22 sep, 21:22, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> "uri" <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote in message

>

> news:1190464534.876743.10580@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>

> > Our basic rights come from society, not from God. God doesn't exist.

>

> But you're previously stated that your personal philosophy is based on a

> Smurf cartoon so ignoring you is remarkably easy....

How on earth can you ignore a Smurf Cartoon?

On Sep 22, 9:22 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> But you're previously stated that your personal philosophy is based on a

> Smurf cartoon so ignoring you is remarkably easy....

No i just said that rights are given by society, not by God because

there is no evidence God exists. Also nature doesn't care about our

rights and is a very cruel place.

On 2007-09-22 07:22:34 -0700, Bert Byfield <BertByfield@nospam.not> said:

>> Our basic rights come from society, not from God. God doesn't exist.

>

> How do you know? Did God tell you that?

Didn't you get the response. god doesn't exist, therefore the

non-existant entity couldn't have told anybody anything.

Just as god(s) is/are man made, so are basic rights.

Check history and you will find that seperate from religion various

societies made some compromises and agreements on the individual's

standing in that society. Without that establishment of basic

rights/rules/laws/etc. the society fails no matter how powerful and

omnicient its god(s) might be. Your first references might be to the

Greeks and then the Romans, each societies governed on democratic and

republican princlples, establishing basic rights to all their citizens,

but unfortunately tied to a faith in gods and religion and doomed.

Our salvation lies in our rights having a foundation free from

religion. If we allow religious zealots and political power mongers to

control our government, we will be condemned to loose what rights we

have (we already have a corrosion of the rights we value) and our

little empire will join those others, to be read about in the history

books.

On Sep 22, 3:24 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> "CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1190465305.038053.121510@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Sep 22, 8:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> >>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/republicans_guns/2007/09/21/34710.html

> >> Giuliani: I Support Right to Bear Arms

> >> Friday, September 21, 2007

> > OH NO, another "god" candidate, eh?

> > If Thompson is trying to do a Ronnie imitation, he is FAILING BADLY.

>

> I think he's sincere.

>

> But I don't think its gonna matter much in the end. Rudy is solidly in the

> driver's seat.

No, I don't think Rudy is going to make it. Tom Friedman, who has a

LOT of good ideas,

said it best. Tom Friedman said that Rudy was the 9-11 candidate and

what we need is a 9-12 candidate.

In other words, there are those who try to make 9-11 the defining

moment of our country, the day our country changed (like Rudy). But I

say NOTHING has changed, we are the same great country and we want a

president who will lead us into the future, starting at 9-12.

As with the heroic people that died on Dec. 7, 1941, we shall revere

and honor our fallen heroes that died on 9-11 to the end of time, and

everyone that died that day is a hero.

Citizen Jimserac

<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message

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> On 22 sep, 21:22, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> "uri" <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote in message

>> news:1190464534.876743.10580@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>> > Our basic rights come from society, not from God. God doesn't exist.

>> But you're previously stated that your personal philosophy is based on a

>> Smurf cartoon so ignoring you is remarkably easy....

> How on earth can you ignore a Smurf Cartoon?

The Justice League rules.

Smurfs are ass-popping shit-knitters.

Death to Smurfs!

"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Sep 22, 3:24 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> "CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:1190465305.038053.121510@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>> > On Sep 22, 8:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> >>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/republicans_guns/2007/09/21/34710.html

>> >> Giuliani: I Support Right to Bear Arms

>> >> Friday, September 21, 2007

>> > OH NO, another "god" candidate, eh?

>> > If Thompson is trying to do a Ronnie imitation, he is FAILING BADLY.

>> I think he's sincere.

>> But I don't think its gonna matter much in the end. Rudy is solidly in

>> the

>> driver's seat.

> No, I don't think Rudy is going to make it. Tom Friedman, who has a

> LOT of good ideas,

> said it best. Tom Friedman said that Rudy was the 9-11 candidate and

> what we need is a 9-12 candidate.

But he's one vote. The Polls put Rudy in the lead... Since the campaigning

began Rudy has NOT ONCE not been in the lead. Like it or not that's a

trend.

> In other words, there are those who try to make 9-11 the defining

> moment of our country, the day our country changed (like Rudy). But I

> say NOTHING has changed, we are the same great country and we want a

> president who will lead us into the future, starting at 9-12.

Of course I think we're a great country but we're definitely NOT the same

country.

> As with the heroic people that died on Dec. 7, 1941, we shall revere

> and honor our fallen heroes that died on 9-11 to the end of time, and

> everyone that died that day is a hero.

I can hold the flag as high and wave it as long as anyone.

The issue here, in 2008, is Euro-Socialism in America: Yes or No?

Its that simple. There are almost no Democrats left in America. They

became Socialists, or worse. Or they became "California Republicans," or

worse.

HitlaryCare is just a vote scam. Rudy's ideas are, are, are what? Does he

even have any?

This is the biggest bunch of losers I've ever seen. There's not a bright

bulb in the bunch.

Buckwheat is a fool for SAYING we should attack Pakistan to get Osama but

he's brilliant for THINKING it. We need brilliant people but we can't

afford any fools, these are serious times and one wrong move - OR WORD -

could get somebody nuked.

Richardson? Empty suit.

Edwards? Empty suit (nice hair).

Hitlary? Genuinely evil.

Thompson? Very nice guy, but too damned dumb for the Big Game.

Romney? Apparently nobody likes Mormons. Who knew?

McAmnesty? 'Nuff said...

Rudy? His best selling point is he's not Hitlary. His ONLY selling point

is he's not Hitlary.

JesusFuckingHChristOnACrutch THAT is the best America can come up with?

Its pathetic.

Tampa is stomping the liberal SHIT out of St. Louis.... Hahahahhaah!!!

On Sep 23, 3:23 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> "Citizen Jimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1190550385.226736.78340@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

>

>

> > On Sep 22, 3:24 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> >> "CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >>news:1190465305.038053.121510@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> >> > On Sep 22, 8:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> >> >>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/republicans_guns/2007/09/21/34710.html

> >> >> Giuliani: I Support Right to Bear Arms

> >> >> Friday, September 21, 2007

> >> > OH NO, another "god" candidate, eh?

> >> > If Thompson is trying to do a Ronnie imitation, he is FAILING BADLY.

> >> I think he's sincere.

> >> But I don't think its gonna matter much in the end. Rudy is solidly in

> >> the

> >> driver's seat.

> > No, I don't think Rudy is going to make it. Tom Friedman, who has a

> > LOT of good ideas,

> > said it best. Tom Friedman said that Rudy was the 9-11 candidate and

> > what we need is a 9-12 candidate.

>

> But he's one vote. The Polls put Rudy in the lead... Since the campaigning

> began Rudy has NOT ONCE not been in the lead. Like it or not that's a

> trend.

>

> > In other words, there are those who try to make 9-11 the defining

> > moment of our country, the day our country changed (like Rudy). But I

> > say NOTHING has changed, we are the same great country and we want a

> > president who will lead us into the future, starting at 9-12.

>

> Of course I think we're a great country but we're definitely NOT the same

> country.

>

> > As with the heroic people that died on Dec. 7, 1941, we shall revere

> > and honor our fallen heroes that died on 9-11 to the end of time, and

> > everyone that died that day is a hero.

>

> I can hold the flag as high and wave it as long as anyone.

>

> The issue here, in 2008, is Euro-Socialism in America: Yes or No?

>

> Its that simple. There are almost no Democrats left in America. They

> became Socialists, or worse. Or they became "California Republicans," or

> worse.

>

> HitlaryCare is just a vote scam. Rudy's ideas are, are, are what? Does he

> even have any?

>

> This is the biggest bunch of losers I've ever seen. There's not a bright

> bulb in the bunch.

>

> Buckwheat is a fool for SAYING we should attack Pakistan to get Osama but

> he's brilliant for THINKING it. We need brilliant people but we can't

> afford any fools, these are serious times and one wrong move - OR WORD -

> could get somebody nuked.

>

> Richardson? Empty suit.

>

> Edwards? Empty suit (nice hair).

>

> Hitlary? Genuinely evil.

>

> Thompson? Very nice guy, but too damned dumb for the Big Game.

>

> Romney? Apparently nobody likes Mormons. Who knew?

>

> McAmnesty? 'Nuff said...

>

> Rudy? His best selling point is he's not Hitlary. His ONLY selling point

> is he's not Hitlary.

>

> JesusFuckingHChristOnACrutch THAT is the best America can come up with?

>

> Its pathetic.

>

> Tampa is stomping the liberal SHIT out of St. Louis.... Hahahahhaah!!!- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

Repeat after me: "President Clinton. Madam President."

Get used to it.

Been out on your 14-foot Boston Whaler recently? Be careful you don't

get swamped in the wake of real boats.

On Sep 23, 3:23 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> "CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1190550385.226736.78340@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

> > On Sep 22, 3:24 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> >> "CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >>news:1190465305.038053.121510@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> >> > On Sep 22, 8:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> >> >>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/republicans_guns/2007/09/21/34710.html

> >> >> Giuliani: I Support Right to Bear Arms

> >> >> Friday, September 21, 2007

> >> > OH NO, another "god" candidate, eh?

> >> > If Thompson is trying to do a Ronnie imitation, he is FAILING BADLY.

> >> I think he's sincere.

> >> But I don't think its gonna matter much in the end. Rudy is solidly in

> >> the

> >> driver's seat.

> > No, I don't think Rudy is going to make it. Tom Friedman, who has a

> > LOT of good ideas,

> > said it best. Tom Friedman said that Rudy was the 9-11 candidate and

> > what we need is a 9-12 candidate.

>

> But he's one vote. The Polls put Rudy in the lead... Since the campaigning

> began Rudy has NOT ONCE not been in the lead. Like it or not that's a

> trend.

>

> > In other words, there are those who try to make 9-11 the defining

> > moment of our country, the day our country changed (like Rudy). But I

> > say NOTHING has changed, we are the same great country and we want a

> > president who will lead us into the future, starting at 9-12.

>

> Of course I think we're a great country but we're definitely NOT the same

> country.

>

> > As with the heroic people that died on Dec. 7, 1941, we shall revere

> > and honor our fallen heroes that died on 9-11 to the end of time, and

> > everyone that died that day is a hero.

>

> I can hold the flag as high and wave it as long as anyone.

>

> The issue here, in 2008, is Euro-Socialism in America: Yes or No?

>

> Its that simple. There are almost no Democrats left in America. They

> became Socialists, or worse. Or they became "California Republicans," or

> worse.

>

> HitlaryCare is just a vote scam. Rudy's ideas are, are, are what? Does he

> even have any?

>

> This is the biggest bunch of losers I've ever seen. There's not a bright

> bulb in the bunch.

>

> Buckwheat is a fool for SAYING we should attack Pakistan to get Osama but

> he's brilliant for THINKING it. We need brilliant people but we can't

> afford any fools, these are serious times and one wrong move - OR WORD -

> could get somebody nuked.

>

> Richardson? Empty suit.

>

> Edwards? Empty suit (nice hair).

>

> Hitlary? Genuinely evil.

>

> Thompson? Very nice guy, but too damned dumb for the Big Game.

>

> Romney? Apparently nobody likes Mormons. Who knew?

>

> McAmnesty? 'Nuff said...

>

> Rudy? His best selling point is he's not Hitlary. His ONLY selling point

> is he's not Hitlary.

>

> JesusFuckingHChristOnACrutch THAT is the best America can come up with?

>

> Its pathetic.

>

> Tampa is stomping the liberal SHIT out of St. Louis.... Hahahahhaah!!!

Agreed. The choices are dismal. But there is one thing we CAN do.

FORCE them to speak up on their positions about illegal immigration,

stopping terrorists, gettting control over corporate lobbyists,

start upgrading our military to fight tommorow's wars instead of

wasting more money on WWll style projects.

Citizen Jimserac

"Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" <PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Sep 23, 3:23 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> "Citizen Jimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> > On Sep 22, 3:24 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> >> "CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> >> > On Sep 22, 8:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> >> >>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/republicans_guns/2007/09/21/34710.html

>> >> >> Giuliani: I Support Right to Bear Arms

>> >> >> Friday, September 21, 2007

>> >> > OH NO, another "god" candidate, eh?

>> >> > If Thompson is trying to do a Ronnie imitation, he is FAILING BADLY.

>> >> I think he's sincere.

>> >> But I don't think its gonna matter much in the end. Rudy is solidly

>> >> in

>> >> the

>> >> driver's seat.

>> > No, I don't think Rudy is going to make it. Tom Friedman, who has a

>> > LOT of good ideas,

>> > said it best. Tom Friedman said that Rudy was the 9-11 candidate and

>> > what we need is a 9-12 candidate.

>>

>> But he's one vote. The Polls put Rudy in the lead... Since the

>> campaigning

>> began Rudy has NOT ONCE not been in the lead. Like it or not that's a

>> trend.

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>> > In other words, there are those who try to make 9-11 the defining

>> > moment of our country, the day our country changed (like Rudy). But I

>> > say NOTHING has changed, we are the same great country and we want a

>> > president who will lead us into the future, starting at 9-12.

>>

>> Of course I think we're a great country but we're definitely NOT the same

>> country.

>>

>> > As with the heroic people that died on Dec. 7, 1941, we shall revere

>> > and honor our fallen heroes that died on 9-11 to the end of time, and

>> > everyone that died that day is a hero.

>>

>> I can hold the flag as high and wave it as long as anyone.

>>

>> The issue here, in 2008, is Euro-Socialism in America: Yes or No?

>>

>> Its that simple. There are almost no Democrats left in America. They

>> became Socialists, or worse. Or they became "California Republicans," or

>> worse.

>>

>> HitlaryCare is just a vote scam. Rudy's ideas are, are, are what? Does

>> he

>> even have any?

>>

>> This is the biggest bunch of losers I've ever seen. There's not a bright

>> bulb in the bunch.

>>

>> Buckwheat is a fool for SAYING we should attack Pakistan to get Osama but

>> he's brilliant for THINKING it. We need brilliant people but we can't

>> afford any fools, these are serious times and one wrong move - OR WORD -

>> could get somebody nuked.

>>

>> Richardson? Empty suit.

>>

>> Edwards? Empty suit (nice hair).

>>

>> Hitlary? Genuinely evil.

>>

>> Thompson? Very nice guy, but too damned dumb for the Big Game.

>>

>> Romney? Apparently nobody likes Mormons. Who knew?

>>

>> McAmnesty? 'Nuff said...

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>> Rudy? His best selling point is he's not Hitlary. His ONLY selling

>> point

>> is he's not Hitlary.

>>

>> JesusFuckingHChristOnACrutch THAT is the best America can come up with?

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>> Its pathetic.

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>> Tampa is stomping the liberal SHIT out of St. Louis.... Hahahahhaah!!!-

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> Repeat after me: "President Clinton. Madam President."

Repeat after me. Chicago Mafia. Rodham family boss. We've already had two

mafioso presidents. Isn't that enough?

You want a real president? You're out of luck. The Bilderberg group will

continue to run this country forever and THEY will continue to choose our

presidents. They always have a candidate in each party. If you didn't see

that in the first Clinton election and the GW Bush election you're blind as

a bat.

--

If there was supposed to be a separation of church

and state in the US Constitution, why did the founders

put the words "in the year of our Lord" in it?

JC

On Sep 22, 5:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

> Despite Giuliani's changing views, NRA chief Wayne LaPierre said: "All I

> know is, I liked what I heard today. It's a good thing, if a politician sees

> the light and supports the Second Amendment."

This LaPierre doo-dah seems easily distracted by political

goobledeegook.

Corrupt New York goobledeegook, even.

> Thompson, McCain and Huckabee chose to highlight their record on gun rights

> in a veiled criticism of Giuliani and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

> In 1994, Romney supported the Brady gun control law and said he wouldn't be

> the hero of the NRA.

Well ain't that special?

> Romney became a lifetime member of the NRA in 2006.

Hahhahahha.

> Thompson, who makes a point of visiting gun shops and gun shows in early

> voting states, received a warmer reception from the audience of about 500

> people, some of whom stood and cheered when he said: "Our basic rights come

> from God, not from government."

Another dumbass..

The last time I checked it was the Constitution that guaranteed

citizens' rights - not God.

<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message

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> On Sep 22, 5:32 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> Despite Giuliani's changing views, NRA chief Wayne LaPierre said: "All I

>> know is, I liked what I heard today. It's a good thing, if a politician

>> sees

>> the light and supports the Second Amendment."

> This LaPierre doo-dah seems easily distracted by political goobledeegook.

> Corrupt New York goobledeegook, even.

I think he can read the Polls as easily and you and I can. Like it or not,

barring an invasion space aliens, its gonna be Rudy....

>> Thompson, McCain and Huckabee chose to highlight their record on gun

>> rights

>> in a veiled criticism of Giuliani and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt

>> Romney.

>> In 1994, Romney supported the Brady gun control law and said he wouldn't

>> be

>> the hero of the NRA.

> Well ain't that special?

>> Romney became a lifetime member of the NRA in 2006.

> Hahhahahha.

There must be a near spiritual relationship between the call to public

service and guns...

I remember a few years ago Kerry was sitting around and decided he wanted to

be the next President. So the next thing he does is go hunting!

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH!!!

>> Thompson, who makes a point of visiting gun shops and gun shows in early

>> voting states, received a warmer reception from the audience of about 500

>> people, some of whom stood and cheered when he said: "Our basic rights

>> come

>> from God, not from government."

> Another dumbass..

> The last time I checked it was the Constitution that guaranteed

> citizens' rights - not God.

You're both right. Thompson was TRYING to say that the right of

self-defense is a human right, or for more religious people a God-given

right.

And its the US Constitution, based largely on Judeo-Christian principles,

that then guarantees those rights to US citizens.

The whole thing is laughable isn't it? It would be embarassing if JUST ONE

of the top three Republican Presidential candidates was an NRA wannabe. But

its ALL THREE.

And, I guess for cosmic balance, the Dems are NOT rushing out to pretend

they're hunters. That's probably a good thing. Breck Gurl would muss his

hair and/or make-up, Buckwheat might go ghetto-ninja if somebody gave him a

rifle, and Hitlary would start mowing down heterosexual Christians.....

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:11:37 -0400, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>I think he can read the Polls as easily and you and I can. Like it or not,

>barring an invasion space aliens, its gonna be Rudy....

Then God help us all....

Rudy took a case in favor of illegal immigrants all the way to the Supreme Court when

he was Mayor of New York City. He lost.

The most often quoted statement I can remember about him during his mayoral days was

"RINO." ....AAC

Think before you vote in the next election and make an impact

on who is in control of giving our country away.

"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:11:37 -0400, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com>

> wrote:

>>I think he can read the Polls as easily and you and I can. Like it or

>>not,

>>barring an invasion space aliens, its gonna be Rudy....

> Then God help us all....

> Rudy took a case in favor of illegal immigrants all the way to the Supreme

> Court when

> he was Mayor of New York City. He lost.

I know, I know...

> The most often quoted statement I can remember about him during his

> mayoral days was

> "RINO." ....AAC

Frequently preceded by "Fucking..."

> Think before you vote in the next election and make an impact

> on who is in control of giving our country away.

If its gonna happen it has to happen NOW. Republicans will flock to the

voting booths in '08 to vote for WHOMEVER the Republican candidate is to

defeat Hitlary.

I also know several Democrats who will vote against Hillary as well. So,

let's all hope she gets the nomination!

"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message

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> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:11:37 -0400, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com>

>> wrote:

>>>I think he can read the Polls as easily and you and I can. Like it or

>>>not,

>>>barring an invasion space aliens, its gonna be Rudy....

>> Then God help us all....

>> Rudy took a case in favor of illegal immigrants all the way to the

>> Supreme Court when

>> he was Mayor of New York City. He lost.

>

> I know, I know...

>

>> The most often quoted statement I can remember about him during his

>> mayoral days was

>> "RINO." ....AAC

>

> Frequently preceded by "Fucking..."

>

>> Think before you vote in the next election and make an impact

>> on who is in control of giving our country away.

>

> If its gonna happen it has to happen NOW. Republicans will flock to the

> voting booths in '08 to vote for WHOMEVER the Republican candidate is to

> defeat Hitlary.

>

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:47:18 -0400, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:11:37 -0400, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com>

>> wrote:

>>>I think he can read the Polls as easily and you and I can. Like it or

>>>not,

>>>barring an invasion space aliens, its gonna be Rudy....

>> Then God help us all....

>> Rudy took a case in favor of illegal immigrants all the way to the Supreme

>> Court when

>> he was Mayor of New York City. He lost.

>

>I know, I know...

>

>> The most often quoted statement I can remember about him during his

>> mayoral days was

>> "RINO." ....AAC

>

>Frequently preceded by "Fucking..."

>

>> Think before you vote in the next election and make an impact

>> on who is in control of giving our country away.

>

>If its gonna happen it has to happen NOW. Republicans will flock to the

>voting booths in '08 to vote for WHOMEVER the Republican candidate is to

>defeat Hitlary.

Probably a lot of democrats also. Either that or sit the election out. I believe

the immigration impasse will be as big an issue as Iraq, maybe bigger, if the surge

continues to work. It's still anyone's to win (or lose).....AAC