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Gender bias remains alive and strong

By Jaime O'Neill

Created Mar 22 2008 - 10:55am


This column for Karen, on her birthday

My 82-year-old mother is bereft. Mom was born just six years after women got
the right to vote in this country, and she thought for awhile there that she
might live long enough to see a woman become president. Now it looks as
though that won't happen.

And, though I personally will be happy to see Barack Obama follow the
catastrophic George Bush into the highest office in the land, I, too, am
disappointed that Hillary's bid for the presidency is floundering and likely
to fail. As the father of two daughters, I know a Hillary Clinton victory
would have had enormous symbolic and psychological significance for younger
women. It would have been "empowering," in the true sense of that
perniciously overused word.

Years ago, I taught at a college up in Washington State, an institution that
prided itself on its pre-med and dental-assisting departments. I routinely
faced classes with large numbers of young women who were seeking
certification to become dental assistants or LVNs. Once in awhile, when one
or another of these students would turn up during office hours, I would ask
why they hadn't considered becoming doctors or dentists. Their answers made
it clear that such an idea was virtually unthinkable because of images of
women they'd inherited from popular culture. If you'd talked to them about
"a woman's place," they would have bridled at the thought, but they'd been
trained to keep their place, nonetheless, and the training was encoded with
such subtlety that it was virtually invisible. They were groomed to be
dental assistants, not dentists.

Like those young women whose horizons were artificially narrowed by
culturally-instilled sexism, our entire nation continues to incubate
attitudes toward women that severely handicapped Hillary Clinton's bid to
lead us. In fact, sexism may prove to be even more intractable than racism.
For starters, let's not forget that black males were afforded the right to
vote some 50 years before the wives and mothers of the white males who held
the power over who would vote, and who wouldn't.

Political punditry surely has been driven by culturally-encoded sexism, from
the rantings of Chris Mathews to the steadily negative commentary from just
about everyone that made Hillary unlikeable if she was forceful ("too
shrill," "too aggressive," "too pushy"), and equally unsuited to be the
commander-in-chief if she was not forceful enough ("weak," "unable to hold
her own against other world leaders," "unsure of her own positions").

It was a classic Catch-22 situation, a catch that seems to apply exclusively
to women, a catch that ensures they will be damned if they do, and damned if
they don't. They are harridans if they act as men are thought to act, and
they are weak if they don't. That catch virtually defines the glass ceiling.
There was just no possible response to the endemic sexism still festering in
the nation's psyche. No tough foreign policy posturing would do the trick,
and neither would a department store full of pantsuits.

Subtract her gender from the equation and the intensity of hatred for
Hillary Clinton becomes inexplicable. Listen to right-wing talk radio or
read any of the right wing blogs and you'll soon discover a vile and
venomous river of filth and fury directed at this former First Lady. Rush
Limbaugh has been at the sport of Hillary bashing longer than most, and his
hate speech even slopped over to young Chelsea when she was a mere
13-year-old girl. Rush, the bully boy of the right, described that teen-age
girl as "the White House dog."

Limbaugh, you'll recall, invented the term "femi-nazi" to describe women who
sought equal rights with men. How deep must male insecurity go to find a
comparison between the least powerful people among us and Hitler's legions
of oppression? But the insecurities of threatened and underachieving males
is surely one source of Hillary hate, the fear far too many men have of
intelligent women. Bertrand Russell once observed that most people would
rather die than think, and in Bush's America, that observation has been
borne out.

If you don't think we have a cultural bias against brains, then you probably
didn't go to high school in this country, where showing signs of functioning
gray matter was nearly always cause for derision. Intelligence isn't
particularly popular for either gender, but to be a bright girl where I went
to school was cause for scorn. If you were a poor kid, it was even more
unacceptable to show signs of smarts because to do so suggested you were
putting on airs, or that you were trying to "rise above your raisin'. For
women, the social pressures to hide or suppress intelligence are powerful.
It takes character to persist against such pressures.

Over a long career as a teacher, I saw this dynamic at work just about every
day I entered a classroom. Any overt display of interest in learning or a
willingness to ask questions was viewed with suspicion by most students, and
the snide whispers were often directed at young women intent on doing well.
Intelligence and a desire to learn were paths to unpopularity.

In one of their final debates, Barack Obama rang in on the subject of his
opponent's likeability," by saying "you're likeable enough, Hillary." But
she wasn't likeable enough, when all was said and done. She had committed
three sins that remain unpardonable in the minds of far too many Americans.
Hillary Clinton was born female, she was born bright, and she had ambitions
beyond those that are culturally-sanctioned for people of her gender. In a
word, she was "uppity."

Those qualities made her hard to like for far too many people, male and
female. For that reason, as much as any other, my mother will probably not
witness the triumph of women that began when she was six years old.
_______



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"A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their
spells dissolve, and the people recovering their true sight, restore their
government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are
suffering deeply in spirit,
and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public
debt. But if the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have
patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning
back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at
stake."
-Thomas Jefferson
 
"Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:47e7c6b1$0$2620$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> Gender bias remains alive and strong
>
> By Jaime O'Neill
>
> Created Mar 22 2008 - 10:55am
>
>
> This column for Karen, on her birthday
>
> My 82-year-old mother is bereft. Mom was born just six years after women
> got
> the right to vote in this country, and she thought for awhile there that
> she
> might live long enough to see a woman become president. Now it looks as
> though that won't happen.
>
> And, though I personally will be happy to see Barack Obama follow the
> catastrophic George Bush into the highest office in the land, I, too, am
> disappointed that Hillary's bid for the presidency is floundering and
> likely
> to fail. As the father of two daughters, I know a Hillary Clinton victory
> would have had enormous symbolic and psychological significance for
> younger
> women. It would have been "empowering," in the true sense of that
> perniciously overused word.
>
> Years ago, I taught at a college up in Washington State, an institution
> that
> prided itself on its pre-med and dental-assisting departments. I routinely
> faced classes with large numbers of young women who were seeking
> certification to become dental assistants or LVNs. Once in awhile, when
> one
> or another of these students would turn up during office hours, I would
> ask
> why they hadn't considered becoming doctors or dentists. Their answers
> made
> it clear that such an idea was virtually unthinkable because of images of
> women they'd inherited from popular culture. If you'd talked to them about
> "a woman's place," they would have bridled at the thought, but they'd been
> trained to keep their place, nonetheless, and the training was encoded
> with
> such subtlety that it was virtually invisible. They were groomed to be
> dental assistants, not dentists.
>
> Like those young women whose horizons were artificially narrowed by
> culturally-instilled sexism, our entire nation continues to incubate
> attitudes toward women that severely handicapped Hillary Clinton's bid to
> lead us. In fact, sexism may prove to be even more intractable than
> racism.
> For starters, let's not forget that black males were afforded the right to
> vote some 50 years before the wives and mothers of the white males who
> held
> the power over who would vote, and who wouldn't.
>
> Political punditry surely has been driven by culturally-encoded sexism,
> from
> the rantings of Chris Mathews to the steadily negative commentary from
> just
> about everyone that made Hillary unlikeable if she was forceful ("too
> shrill," "too aggressive," "too pushy"), and equally unsuited to be the
> commander-in-chief if she was not forceful enough ("weak," "unable to hold
> her own against other world leaders," "unsure of her own positions").
>
> It was a classic Catch-22 situation, a catch that seems to apply
> exclusively
> to women, a catch that ensures they will be damned if they do, and damned
> if
> they don't. They are harridans if they act as men are thought to act, and
> they are weak if they don't. That catch virtually defines the glass
> ceiling.
> There was just no possible response to the endemic sexism still festering
> in
> the nation's psyche. No tough foreign policy posturing would do the trick,
> and neither would a department store full of pantsuits.
>
> Subtract her gender from the equation and the intensity of hatred for
> Hillary Clinton becomes inexplicable. Listen to right-wing talk radio or
> read any of the right wing blogs and you'll soon discover a vile and
> venomous river of filth and fury directed at this former First Lady. Rush
> Limbaugh has been at the sport of Hillary bashing longer than most, and
> his
> hate speech even slopped over to young Chelsea when she was a mere
> 13-year-old girl. Rush, the bully boy of the right, described that
> teen-age
> girl as "the White House dog."
>
> Limbaugh, you'll recall, invented the term "femi-nazi" to describe women
> who
> sought equal rights with men. How deep must male insecurity go to find a
> comparison between the least powerful people among us and Hitler's legions
> of oppression? But the insecurities of threatened and underachieving males
> is surely one source of Hillary hate, the fear far too many men have of
> intelligent women. Bertrand Russell once observed that most people would
> rather die than think, and in Bush's America, that observation has been
> borne out.
>
> If you don't think we have a cultural bias against brains, then you
> probably
> didn't go to high school in this country, where showing signs of
> functioning
> gray matter was nearly always cause for derision. Intelligence isn't
> particularly popular for either gender, but to be a bright girl where I
> went
> to school was cause for scorn. If you were a poor kid, it was even more
> unacceptable to show signs of smarts because to do so suggested you were
> putting on airs, or that you were trying to "rise above your raisin'. For
> women, the social pressures to hide or suppress intelligence are powerful.
> It takes character to persist against such pressures.
>
> Over a long career as a teacher, I saw this dynamic at work just about
> every
> day I entered a classroom. Any overt display of interest in learning or a
> willingness to ask questions was viewed with suspicion by most students,
> and
> the snide whispers were often directed at young women intent on doing
> well.
> Intelligence and a desire to learn were paths to unpopularity.
>
> In one of their final debates, Barack Obama rang in on the subject of his
> opponent's likeability," by saying "you're likeable enough, Hillary." But
> she wasn't likeable enough, when all was said and done. She had committed
> three sins that remain unpardonable in the minds of far too many
> Americans.
> Hillary Clinton was born female, she was born bright, and she had
> ambitions
> beyond those that are culturally-sanctioned for people of her gender. In a
> word, she was "uppity."
>
> Those qualities made her hard to like for far too many people, male and
> female. For that reason, as much as any other, my mother will probably not
> witness the triumph of women that began when she was six years old.
> _______
>
>
>
> --
> NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
> always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
> available to advance understanding of
> political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues.
> I
> believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
> provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
> Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
>
> "A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their
> spells dissolve, and the people recovering their true sight, restore their
> government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are
> suffering deeply in spirit,
> and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public
> debt. But if the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have
> patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning
> back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are
> at
> stake."
> -Thomas Jefferson
>
>
>


Um, maybe if her claim to fame wasn't that she was married to the president.
Or maybe if she didn't cry when things got tough.

Her grab for unaccountable power was why conservatives didn't like her as
first lady. Her socialist policies are why they don't like her now. Sexism
has nothing to do with it.
 
The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and
for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for
manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the
reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they
are different.

In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants.
Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don't need
to be protected by female policemen.
We don't have to have the kind of society we have now. The
government, and the media, and the schools, may all be leftist
enemies, but their ways are so contrary to human nature that it can be
changed.

The two main forces that reject the unisex society are religion
and nationalism. There certainly
wasn't much feminism going on in a Muslim country like Afghanistan.
And it is no coincidence that the USA bombed Afghanistan. The USA and
its masters the Jews are the enemy and that is the first thing we need
to be clear about if we are going to change things. There were also
Nationalist countries that were also bombed by the USA and the other
leftists. The media will tell us how terrible they say these countries
were. We must always remember that the media is the enemy and they are
the ones pushing unisex culture on us.

Feminism is something we must always fight against. But a normal
man who considers women his enemy must eventually go mad. Feminism may
be a major symptom of what is wrong with this country but it is only a
symptom. The Jewish control of the media and society is the disease.
And feminism is Jewish:

Gloria Steinem was a Jew. Bella Abzug was a Jew. Betty Friedan was
a Jew.

"THE JEWISH 100: A Ranking Of the Most Influential Jews Of All Time"
By Michael Shaprio

# 56 Betty Friedan (b. 1921)

Born Betty Naomi Goldstein to Harry and Miriam (Horowitz) Goldstein in
Peoria, Illinois, educated at Smith College, married in 1947 to Carl
Friedan, the mother of three children, divorced in 1969, activist,
best-selling author, professor, a founder of the National Organization
for Women (NOW), the National Women's Political Caucus, and the First
Women's Bank, researcher, journalist, Democrat, clinical psychologist,
and grandmother, Betty Friedan was the most influential feminist of
the postwar era. Deemed by Marilyn French and others as an "initiator
of the 'second wave' of feminism, " Friedan's writings and lectures,
including the highly influential books THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE and THE
SECOND STAGE, synthesized women's views on what equality meant and how
to live and work... When the war against fascism ended two decades
later, four million women lost their jobs to returning GIs. Women were
again told that their place was in the home. The freedom to work to
build up and defend their nation was over. Men would earn the family's
bread. What the boys needed was a warm place to come home to every
night. Ironically, American soldiers had accepted some of the values
toward women (Kinder, Kuche, Kirche - children, kitchen, church) as
the Nazis they thought they had defeated...



http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
 
"Topaz" <mars1933@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and
> for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for
> manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the
> reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they
> are different.


But equal under a country that recognizes human equality. That's not
something I would expect someone as bigoted as a neonazi to understand, but
it's the principle of our government, Herr Topaz, a more perfect union
toward which we must always strive.
 
<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 25, 2:12 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Topaz" <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jesiu3hqjifflgqsba1g318jmucufalss8@4ax.com...
>
> > The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and
> > for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for
> > manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the
> > reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they
> > are different.

>
> But equal under a country that recognizes human equality. That's not
> something I would expect someone as bigoted as a neonazi to understand,
> but
> it's the principle of our government, Herr Topaz, a more perfect union
> toward which we must always strive.


Well... we done arrived..a long time ago.. (haven't you heard of
federal minority placement programs?)..and then went on to smash the
terminal.

These days being male, white, and non-mexican now constitute three
strikes against career advancement.
(if you work in corporate neocon america)

Name for me - which you will be unable to do - any lack of equality
that you might perceive to exist in US Law.
Then re-assess your biases.
____________________________________________________

Tell me - which you'll be unable to do - how U.S. Law accurately reflects
the bigotry of types like you.
 
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:12:54 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
<valinor20@gmail.com> wrote:


>But equal under a country that recognizes human equality.


That is false.


"I was listening to a speech that he gave in Sweden. You can listen at
the
Url below if ya want. http://www.davidduke.com/

Anyway, the guy made an analogy that sums it all up.

He said, lets look at Iceland. They have one of the worlds lowest
crime rates, and have some of the worlds highest test scores.

He then went on to say: Haiti is rich in natural resources, they have
great weather, beaches etc.. Yet its a murder, rape capital of the
world. etc, etc.

He went on to say: If we were to take all of the people from Haiti &
Move them to Iceland, Well, they would soon die.

Take those from Iceland and move them to Haiti and within one
generation Haiti would be paradise on earth.

He explained it better than I did. But you should get the gist of the
Iceland / Haiti analogy. Better yet, listen to the Stockholm speech
and hear it for yourself.."

Tommy


> That's not
>something I would expect someone as bigoted as a neonazi to understand, but
>it's the principle of our government, Herr Topaz, a more perfect union
>toward which we must always strive.
>

Your government is based on lies.

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
 
"Topaz" <mars1933@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:12:54 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
> <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>But equal under a country that recognizes human equality.

>
> That is false.


What's false about it, Herr Topaz?
 
On Mar 24, 8:42 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gender bias remains alive and strong
>
> By Jaime O'Neill
>
> Created Mar 22 2008 - 10:55am
>
> This column for Karen, on her birthday
>
> My 82-year-old mother is bereft. Mom was born just six years after women got
> the right to vote in this country, and she thought for awhile there that she
> might live long enough to see a woman become president. Now it looks as
> though that won't happen.
>

<snip>
Your mother has gender bias. There is a tendency for people with
gender bias to be racists. They should be more concerned with black
people becoming President.
 
Prove that tendency right where.

(snicker)


"znuybv" <thowilson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 24, 8:42 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gender bias remains alive and strong
> >
> > By Jaime O'Neill
> >
> > Created Mar 22 2008 - 10:55am
> >
> > This column for Karen, on her birthday
> >
> > My 82-year-old mother is bereft. Mom was born just six years after women

got
> > the right to vote in this country, and she thought for awhile there that

she
> > might live long enough to see a woman become president. Now it looks as
> > though that won't happen.
> >

> <snip>
> Your mother has gender bias. There is a tendency for people with
> gender bias to be racists. They should be more concerned with black
> people becoming President.
 
Gandalf Grey wrote:
> Gender bias remains alive and strong
>
> By Jaime O'Neill
>
> Created Mar 22 2008 - 10:55am
>
>
> This column for Karen, on her birthday
>
> My 82-year-old mother is bereft. Mom was born just six years after women got
> the right to vote in this country, and she thought for awhile there that she
> might live long enough to see a woman become president. Now it looks as
> though that won't happen.
>
> And, though I personally will be happy to see Barack Obama follow the
> catastrophic George Bush into the highest office in the land, I, too, am
> disappointed that Hillary's bid for the presidency is floundering and likely
> to fail. As the father of two daughters, I know a Hillary Clinton victory
> would have had enormous symbolic and psychological significance for younger
> women. It would have been "empowering," in the true sense of that
> perniciously overused word.


It certainly would.

I'm fairly certain that as President, President Hillary will declare
anti-abortion protesters to be "terrorists" (for allegedly "terrorizing"
abortion clinics). That will enable her to invoke the PATRIOT Act
against them, and have all the anti-abortion protest leaders arrested
and sent to Gitmo.

I'm not kidding. I think that is a very real possibility with a Hillary
Administration.


--
Steven L.
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
 
"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:13um2gl518bs193@corp.supernews.com:

> Gandalf Grey wrote:
>> Gender bias remains alive and strong
>>
>> By Jaime O'Neill
>>
>> Created Mar 22 2008 - 10:55am
>>
>>
>> This column for Karen, on her birthday
>>
>> My 82-year-old mother is bereft. Mom was born just six years after
>> women got the right to vote in this country, and she thought for awhile
>> there that she might live long enough to see a woman become president.
>> Now it looks as though that won't happen.
>>
>> And, though I personally will be happy to see Barack Obama follow the
>> catastrophic George Bush into the highest office in the land, I, too,
>> am disappointed that Hillary's bid for the presidency is floundering
>> and likely to fail. As the father of two daughters, I know a Hillary
>> Clinton victory would have had enormous symbolic and psychological
>> significance for younger women. It would have been "empowering," in the
>> true sense of that perniciously overused word.

>
> It certainly would.
>
> I'm fairly certain that as President, President Hillary will declare
> anti-abortion protesters to be "terrorists" (for allegedly "terrorizing"
> abortion clinics). That will enable her to invoke the PATRIOT Act
> against them, and have all the anti-abortion protest leaders arrested
> and sent to Gitmo.
>
> I'm not kidding. I think that is a very real possibility with a Hillary
> Administration.
>



There is no possibility of a Hillary administration.
 
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:38:57 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<Noemail@comcast.com> wrote:

>lorad474@cs.com wrote in news:0c873329-9932-47b0-9d26-d771d39ff0d9
>@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Mar 26, 6:49
 
On Mar 26, 7:44 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > Gender bias remains alive and strong

>
> > By Jaime O'Neill

>
> > Created Mar 22 2008 - 10:55am

>
> > This column for Karen, on her birthday

>
> > My 82-year-old mother is bereft. Mom was born just six years after women got
> > the right to vote in this country, and she thought for awhile there that she
> > might live long enough to see a woman become president. Now it looks as
> > though that won't happen.

>
> > And, though I personally will be happy to see Barack Obama follow the
> > catastrophic George Bush into the highest office in the land, I, too, am
> > disappointed that Hillary's bid for the presidency is floundering and likely
> > to fail. As the father of two daughters, I know a Hillary Clinton victory
> > would have had enormous symbolic and psychological significance for younger
> > women. It would have been "empowering," in the true sense of that
> > perniciously overused word.

>
> It certainly would.
>
> I'm fairly certain that as President, President Hillary will declare
> anti-abortion protesters to be "terrorists" (for allegedly "terrorizing"
> abortion clinics). That will enable her to invoke the PATRIOT Act
> against them, and have all the anti-abortion protest leaders arrested
> and sent to Gitmo.
>
> I'm not kidding. I think that is a very real possibility with a Hillary
> Administration.
>
> --
> Steven L.
> Email: sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
> Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.


Hello,

The fact that you're "fairly certain" that Hillary would do such
things, lacking any evidence whatsoever, again shows why nothing you
assert should be taken seriously. Your assertions and predictions are
based on nothing by your partisan blindness.

Carlos
 
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On Mar 25, 3:08 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a964392b-f53d-4ca0-a3fc-c0f2ecaf7dc8@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 25, 2:12 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Topaz" <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >news:jesiu3hqjifflgqsba1g318jmucufalss8@4ax.com...

>
> > > The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and
> > > for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for
> > > manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the
> > > reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they
> > > are different.

>
> > But equal under a country that recognizes human equality. That's not
> > something I would expect someone as bigoted as a neonazi to understand,
> > but
> > it's the principle of our government, Herr Topaz, a more perfect union
> > toward which we must always strive.

>
> Well... we done arrived..a long time ago.. (haven't you heard of
> federal minority placement programs?)..and then went on to smash the
> terminal.
>
> These days being male, white, and non-mexican now constitute three
> strikes against career advancement.
> (if you work in corporate neocon america)
>
> Name for me - which you will be unable to do - any lack of equality
> that you might perceive to exist in US Law.
> Then re-assess your biases.
> ____________________________________________________
>
> Tell me - which you'll be unable to do - how U.S. Law accurately reflects
> the bigotry of types like you.


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