Girl, 13, Shoots Abusive Father - Good For Her

[Blackwater]

CNN
BUENA VISTA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A 13-year-old girl used a shotgun to
fatally shoot her father in the head early Monday in a home overrun
with animals and filth, police said.

The girl told investigators she used a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot
34-year-old Matthew Booth in the face while he was in bed, according
to a police affidavit.

A police complaint did not identify a motive in the killing, but her
mother, Michelle Fazek, who was separated from Booth, said she had
complained several times to county child welfare officials that her
daughter and her brother, 14, were living in squalor and that her
daughter had been abused.

"I just want to see her," Fazek said. "She must be so scared."

Messages left for Allegheny County's Office of Children, Youth and
Families were not immediately returned.

The Associated Press does not identify victims of possible sexual
abuse.

The girl appeared in municipal court late Monday wearing a maroon
county jail uniform, her hands and ankles cuffed, where she was
charged as an adult with criminal homicide and ordered held without
bail.

The house in Elizabeth Township, about 20 miles southeast of
Pittsburgh was in deplorable condition, police said.

"They had a number of animals, dogs, cats and rabbits. They hadn't
cleaned up after them," said James Morton, assistant superintendent of
Allegheny County Police. The two-story frame house had dirty, peeling
white siding, and a downstairs window was boarded up.

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Good for you hon ... why'd you wait so long to
blow his head off ?

Any decent judge will drop all charges.

"Guns are made for killing people" ? Seems
that some people NEED shooting, don't they ?
And skip that "she should have gone to the
authorities" crap. Her mom DID - and they
weren't interested.

 

[Roger]

Are you so desperate for attention you have to use this tragedy?

Sick.


"Blackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
news:46af13fa.21067@news.east.earthlink.net...
> CNN
> BUENA VISTA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A 13-year-old girl used a shotgun to
> fatally shoot her father in the head early Monday in a home overrun
> with animals and filth, police said.

<snip>

 

[editor@netpath.net]

On Jul 31, 6:56 am, b...@barrk.net (Blackwater) wrote:
> Good for you hon ... why'd you wait so long to
> blow his head off ?
> Any decent judge will drop all charges.

This will be a near-impossible defense for the girl's lawyer.
Shooting some guy when he's laying in bed and you're not in bed isn't
at all likely to be ruled self-defense or justifiable homicide. Prior
cases where kids killed alleged pedophile parents - with the kids
using everything from baseball bats to guns - didn't go well for the
kids.

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[Blackwater]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:19:07 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Are you so desperate for attention you have to use this tragedy?

Are you so sick you'd IGNORE this tragedy ?



>"Blackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
>news:46af13fa.21067@news.east.earthlink.net...
>> CNN
>> BUENA VISTA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A 13-year-old girl used a shotgun to
>> fatally shoot her father in the head early Monday in a home overrun
>> with animals and filth, police said.
>
><snip>
>
>

 

[Blackwater]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:54:14 -0700, "editor@netpath.net"
<editor@netpath.net> wrote:

>On Jul 31, 6:56 am, b...@barrk.net (Blackwater) wrote:
>> Good for you hon ... why'd you wait so long to
>> blow his head off ?
>> Any decent judge will drop all charges.
>
> This will be a near-impossible defense for the girl's lawyer.
>Shooting some guy when he's laying in bed and you're not in bed isn't
>at all likely to be ruled self-defense or justifiable homicide.

Her age and psychological circumstances must be taken
into account. What are "obvious" alternative solutions
for an adult may not even enter the brain of a badly
abused 13 year old girl.

>Prior
>cases where kids killed alleged pedophile parents - with the kids
>using everything from baseball bats to guns - didn't go well for the
>kids.

Time for that to change.

Unless her jury is all pedophile-wannabes afraid of
what their own kids might do to THEM ...

 

[Bert Hyman]

rogerfx@hotmail.com (Roger) wrote in
news:46af1a86$0$4874$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> Are you so desperate for attention you have to use this tragedy?

Like the way you were all over the Virginia Tech shootings?

> Sick.

If you say so.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

 

[Blackwater]

On 31 Jul 2007 14:04:20 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:

>rogerfx@hotmail.com (Roger) wrote in
>news:46af1a86$0$4874$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> Are you so desperate for attention you have to use this tragedy?
>
>Like the way you were all over the Virginia Tech shootings?
>
>> Sick.
>
>If you say so.


He DID love the Va.Tech shootings, didn' he ?

Guess he just can't STAND it when guns are put
to a useful and just purpose.

 

[ChrisT]

I question the whole story. Why didn't the mother have custody?
Who actually owned all the animals ?
Did he threaten to get rid of the kids pets so they killed him?
Lets hear the rest of the story before we condemn him or her.
The truth may never come out now because he wasn't allowed to speak
and defend any allegations against him.
You guys fly right off the handle before the truth comes out. Sounds
like a lynch mob based on accusation.



On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:59:06 GMT, bw@barrk.net (Blackwater) wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:19:07 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Are you so desperate for attention you have to use this tragedy?
>
> Are you so sick you'd IGNORE this tragedy ?
>
>
>
>>"Blackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
>>news:46af13fa.21067@news.east.earthlink.net...
>>> CNN
>>> BUENA VISTA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A 13-year-old girl used a shotgun to
>>> fatally shoot her father in the head early Monday in a home overrun
>>> with animals and filth, police said.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>

 

[editor@netpath.net]

On Jul 31, 10:02 am, b...@barrk.net (Blackwater) quoted me:
> > This will be a near-impossible defense for the girl's lawyer.
> >Shooting some guy when he's laying in bed and you're not in bed isn't
> >at all likely to be ruled self-defense or justifiable homicide.

and replied:
> Her age and psychological circumstances must be taken
> into account. What are "obvious" alternative solutions
> for an adult may not even enter the brain of a badly
> abused 13 year old girl.

No judge, nowhere, will dismiss as self-defense shooting a guy
lying in bed when the shooter isn't also in that same bed at that same
time. Whether or not the jury will O.J.-style "jury nullify" the case
is another matter - but prior such cases involving kids claiming
molestation by parents they killed haven't gotten the kids off, even
with credible documentation that the parent was an abuser. The kids
in such cases have used weapons ranging from ball bats to figurines to
- of course - guns, but none I'm aware of got off. The cases have
been in states as varied as Massachusetts and Oklahoma.

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[SaPeIsMa]

<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:1185993981.085467.207520@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 31, 10:02 am, b...@barrk.net (Blackwater) quoted me:
>> > This will be a near-impossible defense for the girl's lawyer.
>> >Shooting some guy when he's laying in bed and you're not in bed isn't
>> >at all likely to be ruled self-defense or justifiable homicide.
>
> and replied:
>> Her age and psychological circumstances must be taken
>> into account. What are "obvious" alternative solutions
>> for an adult may not even enter the brain of a badly
>> abused 13 year old girl.
>
> No judge, nowhere, will dismiss as self-defense shooting a guy
> lying in bed when the shooter isn't also in that same bed at that same
> time. Whether or not the jury will O.J.-style "jury nullify" the case
> is another matter - but prior such cases involving kids claiming
> molestation by parents they killed haven't gotten the kids off, even
> with credible documentation that the parent was an abuser. The kids
> in such cases have used weapons ranging from ball bats to figurines to
> - of course - guns, but none I'm aware of got off. The cases have
> been in states as varied as Massachusetts and Oklahoma.
>

Repeating yourself won't make you "more" right. Just repetitive

 

[Benj]

Blackwater wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:19:07 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Are you so desperate for attention you have to use this tragedy?
>
> Are you so sick you'd IGNORE this tragedy ?

And you are so mentally ill that you LOVE murder when it suits your
twisted mental image of life. You don't want to "stop the killing" at
all! Your fervent wish is obviously to kill all those people who are
so "insane" that they don't hear the same voices in their heads that
you do!

First off, there is NO proof in the article that there was ANY abuse,
let alone sexual abuse by this father. When allegations were made to
authorities they obviously found no evidence of any. The worst "abuse"
mentioned is a dirty house where pet feces were not cleaned up.

Lessee. Cat takes a dump on the floor outside it's box so I take a
shotgun to my dad to find "justice"! Oh wait. I don't just take a
shotgun to my dad, I plot PREMEDITATED MURDER by waiting until he is
in bed. And you find this case a WONDERFUL expression of your view of
a "fair" society! You are clearly insane! In fact, as you are
advocating premeditated murder, I'd say you are CRIMINALLY INSANE!

I'm sure in your deranged, drug addled, mind you see yourself as being
some kind of hero on a white horse, standing up for little girls,
fighting child abuse, and using lethal force to impose your idea of
justice on an unwilling world. The rest of the world (including your
therapists, to whom you should listen more) however, sees you for the
sicko that you really are.

Have you done your part to stop gun violence by adding your name to
the list of those who volunteer to be banned from gun ownership for
life? Society will be MUCH safer if you do.

For those of you lurkers not yet insane. Please allow me to draw you a
picture of the difference between self-defense and premeditated
murder: You put the shotgun under your bed. Daddy comes to "visit"
with his John Thomas hanging out. You shoot him. THAT is self-
defense. You wait until he's in bed and then go kill him. THAT is
premeditated murder. Oh sure we've all seen the made for TV movie
where the woman gets acquitted after shooting an abusive husband
sleeping in bed. But here's a hint: TV movies from La La Land ain't
real life!

 

[Blackwater]

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:09:41 -0700, Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

>
>Blackwater wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:19:07 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Are you so desperate for attention you have to use this tragedy?
>>
>> Are you so sick you'd IGNORE this tragedy ?
>
>And you are so mentally ill that you LOVE murder when it suits your
>twisted mental image of life. You don't want to "stop the killing" at
>all! Your fervent wish is obviously to kill all those people who are
>so "insane" that they don't hear the same voices in their heads that
>you do!

Do YOU hear the "same voices" as this child rapist/abuser ?

Sorry, but I do have a certain respect for "street justice".
It's often more accurate and appropriate than the horrible
bureaucratic 'justice' system we've created. Here we had a
case of the victim taking direct action against her attacker.
If I was on the jury, I'd give her a pass on this one ...

>First off, there is NO proof in the article that there was ANY abuse,

All good molesters make sure there will be plenty
of evidence against them ... right ?

You're dreaming ... and your dream is someone elses nightmare.

 

[Steve]

<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:1185993981.085467.207520@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 31, 10:02 am, b...@barrk.net (Blackwater) quoted me:
> > > This will be a near-impossible defense for the girl's lawyer.
> > >Shooting some guy when he's laying in bed and you're not in bed isn't
> > >at all likely to be ruled self-defense or justifiable homicide.
>
> and replied:
> > Her age and psychological circumstances must be taken
> > into account. What are "obvious" alternative solutions
> > for an adult may not even enter the brain of a badly
> > abused 13 year old girl.
>
> No judge, nowhere, will dismiss as self-defense shooting a guy
> lying in bed when the shooter isn't also in that same bed at that same
> time. Whether or not the jury will O.J.-style "jury nullify" the case
> is another matter - but prior such cases involving kids claiming
> molestation by parents they killed haven't gotten the kids off, even
> with credible documentation that the parent was an abuser. The kids
> in such cases have used weapons ranging from ball bats to figurines to
> - of course - guns, but none I'm aware of got off. The cases have
> been in states as varied as Massachusetts and Oklahoma.
>
> No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
>

The defense would probably be temporary insanity as in Francine Hughes AKA
the burning bed case, not self defense.

 

[Steve]

"Blackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
news:46b1d7a4.8969390@news.east.earthlink.net...
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:09:41 -0700, Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Blackwater wrote:
> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:19:07 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Are you so desperate for attention you have to use this tragedy?
> >>
> >> Are you so sick you'd IGNORE this tragedy ?
> >
> >And you are so mentally ill that you LOVE murder when it suits your
> >twisted mental image of life. You don't want to "stop the killing" at
> >all! Your fervent wish is obviously to kill all those people who are
> >so "insane" that they don't hear the same voices in their heads that
> >you do!
>
> Do YOU hear the "same voices" as this child rapist/abuser ?
>
> Sorry, but I do have a certain respect for "street justice".
> It's often more accurate and appropriate than the horrible
> bureaucratic 'justice' system we've created. Here we had a
> case of the victim taking direct action against her attacker.
> If I was on the jury, I'd give her a pass on this one ...
>
> >First off, there is NO proof in the article that there was ANY abuse,
>
> All good molesters make sure there will be plenty
> of evidence against them ... right ?

I don't know what a "good" molester is but lots of molesters go to jail
because there is lots of good evidence against them. There may be in this
case too but I haven't heard about it yet.

 

[Kent Finnell]

"Steve" <steve@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:NOrsi.388$sD4.375911@news.sisna.com...
>
> <editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
> news:1185993981.085467.207520@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 31, 10:02 am, b...@barrk.net (Blackwater) quoted me:
>> > > This will be a near-impossible defense for the girl's lawyer.
>> > >Shooting some guy when he's laying in bed and you're not in bed isn't
>> > >at all likely to be ruled self-defense or justifiable homicide.
>>
>> and replied:
>> > Her age and psychological circumstances must be taken
>> > into account. What are "obvious" alternative solutions
>> > for an adult may not even enter the brain of a badly
>> > abused 13 year old girl.
>>
>> No judge, nowhere, will dismiss as self-defense shooting a guy
>> lying in bed when the shooter isn't also in that same bed at that same
>> time. Whether or not the jury will O.J.-style "jury nullify" the case
>> is another matter - but prior such cases involving kids claiming
>> molestation by parents they killed haven't gotten the kids off, even
>> with credible documentation that the parent was an abuser. The kids
>> in such cases have used weapons ranging from ball bats to figurines to
>> - of course - guns, but none I'm aware of got off. The cases have
>> been in states as varied as Massachusetts and Oklahoma.
>>
>> No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
>>
>
> The defense would probably be temporary insanity as in Francine Hughes AKA
> the burning bed case, not self defense.
>
How quickly the case here in Tennessee has been forgotten. A preacher's
wife shot her husband in the back of the head with a shotgun while he was
asleep. She then took their 3 girls and fled. One of the girls is old
enough to remember this the rest of her life, the other two, a toddler and
an infant hopefully will not.

The judge, prosecution, and the jury all bought her story of sexual abuse.
She's either the world's best non-professional actress or she was telling
the absolute truth. Reality probably falls somewhere in between. At worst
she'll serve 4 1/2 years. She's currently fighting for the custody of her
daughters. Personally I hope she loses. Google Mary Winkler.


--
We'll fill landfills with tons and tons of garbage, but when our trash
is shaped like a human, we [somehow] feel the need to keep it around.

From the Music City, USA
Kent Finnell

 

[Benj]

Blackwater wrote:
> Do YOU hear the "same voices" as this child rapist/abuser ?

Nope. And since I don't do drugs I don't hear the voices you hear
either!

> Sorry, but I do have a certain respect for "street justice".
> It's often more accurate and appropriate than the horrible
> bureaucratic 'justice' system we've created. Here we had a
> case of the victim taking direct action against her attacker.
> If I was on the jury, I'd give her a pass on this one ...

Of course you would! You LOVE premeditated murder so long as it for
one of YOUR lefty causes, right? Ever hear of things like justice,
ethics and morality? I thought not!

> >First off, there is NO proof in the article that there was ANY abuse,
>
> All good molesters make sure there will be plenty
> of evidence against them ... right ?

Say Wait! I'm old enough to have heard this line before. It had to do
with ******s being railroaded into jail. As I recall the line was
"well that ****** might not have been guilty of THIS crime but a
conviction is OK since we all know he is probably guilty of SOME
crime!"

Who needs "justice" when cases can all be decided by you personal
opinion of the guy without reference to any evidence. "Oh, he just
LOOKED guilty!" You are a piece of work!

Want to bring back the "good old days" I take it. Hell, why wait for
the courts. If she hadn't killed her father, a bunch of us "good ole
boys" should have just taken a rope over there.

> You're dreaming ... and your dream is someone elses nightmare.

The fact that you have been given a voice where a few deluded souls
might listen to you proves that your dream is the nightmare of all of
the rest of us.

And it's "else's" you illiterate dipshit!

 

[Blackwater]

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:44:41 -0700, Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

>
>Blackwater wrote:
>> Do YOU hear the "same voices" as this child rapist/abuser ?
>
>Nope. And since I don't do drugs I don't hear the voices you hear
>either!
>
>> Sorry, but I do have a certain respect for "street justice".
>> It's often more accurate and appropriate than the horrible
>> bureaucratic 'justice' system we've created. Here we had a
>> case of the victim taking direct action against her attacker.
>> If I was on the jury, I'd give her a pass on this one ...
>
>Of course you would! You LOVE premeditated murder so long as it for
>one of YOUR lefty causes, right? Ever hear of things like justice,
>ethics and morality? I thought not!


My "lefty causes" ??? Sorry bub, but I vote Republican
or Libertarian.

Alas - as for "justice", "ethics" and "morality" - our
system doesn't DO those words anymore. You gotta buy a
really good lawyer instead.

>> >First off, there is NO proof in the article that there was ANY abuse,
>>
>> All good molesters make sure there will be plenty
>> of evidence against them ... right ?
>
>Say Wait! I'm old enough to have heard this line before. It had to do
>with ******s being railroaded into jail. As I recall the line was
>"well that ****** might not have been guilty of THIS crime but a
>conviction is OK since we all know he is probably guilty of SOME
>crime!"

Hey, I remember those days ! They sucked.

However THIS was a rather different situation - "self
defense" by the victim, not a perversion of the system.

>Who needs "justice" when cases can all be decided by you personal
>opinion of the guy without reference to any evidence. "Oh, he just
>LOOKED guilty!" You are a piece of work!

Hmmm ... do you always get yourself this worked up
and say stupid stuff ?

 

[* US *]

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:44:41 -0700, Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

>... LOVE premeditated murder so long as it for [sic]

Oil in Iraq?

 

[G_FL]

US wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:44:41 -0700, Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>
>> ... LOVE premeditated murder so long as it for [sic]
>
> Oil in Iraq?

You know I am getting kinda sick of hearing this, I have yet to see
anything, anywhere stating that America, The UK or anyone else involved
in this war has taken any oil from Iraq. All I have heard is how much we
are paying for it. If we went to war over oil, why is it do damn expensive?

Just my $.02

 

[G_FL]

Blackwater wrote:
> CNN
> BUENA VISTA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A 13-year-old girl used a shotgun to
> fatally shoot her father in the head early Monday in a home overrun
> with animals and filth, police said.
>
> The girl told investigators she used a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot
> 34-year-old Matthew Booth in the face while he was in bed, according
> to a police affidavit.
>
> A police complaint did not identify a motive in the killing, but her
> mother, Michelle Fazek, who was separated from Booth, said she had
> complained several times to county child welfare officials that her
> daughter and her brother, 14, were living in squalor and that her
> daughter had been abused.
>
> "I just want to see her," Fazek said. "She must be so scared."
>
> Messages left for Allegheny County's Office of Children, Youth and
> Families were not immediately returned.
>
> The Associated Press does not identify victims of possible sexual
> abuse.
>
> The girl appeared in municipal court late Monday wearing a maroon
> county jail uniform, her hands and ankles cuffed, where she was
> charged as an adult with criminal homicide and ordered held without
> bail.
>
> The house in Elizabeth Township, about 20 miles southeast of
> Pittsburgh was in deplorable condition, police said.
>
> "They had a number of animals, dogs, cats and rabbits. They hadn't
> cleaned up after them," said James Morton, assistant superintendent of
> Allegheny County Police. The two-story frame house had dirty, peeling
> white siding, and a downstairs window was boarded up.
>
> - - - - -
>
> Good for you hon ... why'd you wait so long to
> blow his head off ?
>
> Any decent judge will drop all charges.
>
> "Guns are made for killing people" ? Seems
> that some people NEED shooting, don't they ?
> And skip that "she should have gone to the
> authorities" crap. Her mom DID - and they
> weren't interested.
>

Good for her, any ******* that abuses young girls should be killed.