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Global temperatures 'to decrease'
By Roger Harrabin
BBC News environment analyst
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
meteorologists have said.

The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
the summer.

This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
prompting some to question climate change theory.

But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.

The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average
surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.

While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.

Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.

Rises 'stalled'

LA NINA KEY FACTS

La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean the
atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
thunderstorms is increased
Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
than the stronger El Nino

La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
effects are so huge they resonate round the world.

El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This year,
the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.

It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of the
coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.

Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
degree.

This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
when El Nino warmed the world.

Watching trends

A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse
gases than predicted.


Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
browser.

Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects

But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
temperatures would still be well above average for the century.

"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular
year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of
warming.

"La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
Nina."

Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
browser.

China suffered from heavy snow in January

Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
compared it with further back in the 20th Century.

Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."

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we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
message news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com
> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
> By Roger Harrabin
> BBC News environment analyst
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>
> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a
> result of the cooling effect of the La Nina current in
> the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.
>
> The World Meteorological Organization's
> secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was
> likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.
>
> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since
> 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory.
>
> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term
> warming trend - and they forecast a new record high
> temperature within five years.
>
> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was
> the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th
> Century, the global average surface temperature has risen
> by 0.74C.
>
> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the
> warmest year, the UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second
> to 1998.
>
> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for
> any particular year is larger than these small
> temperature differences. What matters, they say, is the
> long-term upward trend.
>
> Rises 'stalled'
>
> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>
> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and
> eastern Pacific Increased sea temperatures on the western
> side of the Pacific mean the atmosphere has more energy
> and frequency of heavy rain and thunderstorms is increased
> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less
> damaging event than the stronger El Nino
>
> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific
> currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round
> the world.
>
> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools
> it. This year, the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful
> La Nina.
>
> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and
> to some of the coldest temperatures in memory in
> snow-bound parts of China.
>
> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to
> continue into the summer, depressing temperatures
> globally by a fraction of a degree.
>
> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally
> since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world.
>
> Watching trends
>
> A minority of scientists question whether this means
> global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has proved
> more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted.
>
>
> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript
> enabled on your browser.
>
> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>
> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted
> that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average
> for the century.
>
> "When you look at climate change you should not look at
> any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends
> over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature
> globally is still very much indicative of warming.
>
> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has
> always been and there will always be cooler and warmer
> years, but what is important for climate change is that
> the trend is up; the climate on average is warming even
> if there is a temporary cooling because of La Nina."
>
> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript
> enabled on your browser.
>
> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>
> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate
> Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said
> their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the
> 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared
> it with further back in the 20th Century.
>
> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La
> Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly
> but these changes are very small compared to the
> long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time
> we are confident that the current record temperature of
> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>
> --
> If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism
> or Scientific Socialism then you are a tool of Capitalist
> interests. If you disagree with the theories or dogmas of
> Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a
> tool of Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? --
> Captain Compassion
>
>
> The object of life is not to be on the side of the
> majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of
> the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius
>
> "...the whole world, including the United States,
> including all that we have known and cared for, will sink
> into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and
> perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted
> science." -- Sir Winston Churchill
>
> Joseph R. Darancette
> daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net


So what is your point here? That there is no global warming or there is?

From your own article it says:

"But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years."

You seem to be very confused.



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Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly said in
news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:

> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
> By Roger Harrabin
> BBC News environment analyst
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>
> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
> meteorologists have said.
>
> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
> the summer.
>
> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
> prompting some to question climate change theory.
>
> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
>
> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average
> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
>
> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
>
> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.
>
> Rises 'stalled'
>
> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>
> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
> Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean the
> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
> thunderstorms is increased
> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
> than the stronger El Nino
>
> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
> effects are so huge they resonate round the world.
>
> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This year,
> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.
>
> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of the
> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.
>
> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
> the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
> degree.
>
> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
> when El Nino warmed the world.
>
> Watching trends
>
> A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
> has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse
> gases than predicted.
>
>
> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
> browser.
>
> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>
> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
> temperatures would still be well above average for the century.
>
> "When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular
> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
> and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of
> warming.
>
> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
> and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
> important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
> average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
> Nina."
>
>
> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>
> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
> Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
> about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.
>
> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
> along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
> small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
> years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>


Yes.... AND ??????

****ing "flat-earth" moron...

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"Jones" <Jones@jones.con> allegedly said in news:47f73bda$0$26048
$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:

>
>
> "Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
> message news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com
>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>> By Roger Harrabin
>> BBC News environment analyst
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>>
>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a
>> result of the cooling effect of the La Nina current in
>> the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.
>>
>> The World Meteorological Organization's
>> secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was
>> likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.
>>
>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since
>> 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory.
>>
>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term
>> warming trend - and they forecast a new record high
>> temperature within five years.
>>
>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was
>> the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th
>> Century, the global average surface temperature has risen
>> by 0.74C.
>>
>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the
>> warmest year, the UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second
>> to 1998.
>>
>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for
>> any particular year is larger than these small
>> temperature differences. What matters, they say, is the
>> long-term upward trend.
>>
>> Rises 'stalled'
>>
>> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>>
>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and
>> eastern Pacific Increased sea temperatures on the western
>> side of the Pacific mean the atmosphere has more energy
>> and frequency of heavy rain and thunderstorms is increased
>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less
>> damaging event than the stronger El Nino
>>
>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific
>> currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round
>> the world.
>>
>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools
>> it. This year, the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful
>> La Nina.
>>
>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and
>> to some of the coldest temperatures in memory in
>> snow-bound parts of China.
>>
>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to
>> continue into the summer, depressing temperatures
>> globally by a fraction of a degree.
>>
>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally
>> since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world.
>>
>> Watching trends
>>
>> A minority of scientists question whether this means
>> global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has proved
>> more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted.
>>
>>
>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript
>> enabled on your browser.
>>
>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>>
>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted
>> that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average
>> for the century.
>>
>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at
>> any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends
>> over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature
>> globally is still very much indicative of warming.
>>
>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has
>> always been and there will always be cooler and warmer
>> years, but what is important for climate change is that
>> the trend is up; the climate on average is warming even
>> if there is a temporary cooling because of La Nina."
>>
>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript
>> enabled on your browser.
>>
>> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>>
>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate
>> Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said
>> their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the
>> 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared
>> it with further back in the 20th Century.
>>
>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La
>> Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly
>> but these changes are very small compared to the
>> long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time
>> we are confident that the current record temperature of
>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>>
>> --
>> If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism
>> or Scientific Socialism then you are a tool of Capitalist
>> interests. If you disagree with the theories or dogmas of
>> Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a
>> tool of Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? --
>> Captain Compassion
>>
>>
>> The object of life is not to be on the side of the
>> majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of
>> the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius
>>
>> "...the whole world, including the United States,
>> including all that we have known and cared for, will sink
>> into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and
>> perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted
>> science." -- Sir Winston Churchill
>>
>> Joseph R. Darancette
>> daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net

>
> So what is your point here? That there is no global warming or there

is?
>
> From your own article it says:
>
> "But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years."
>
> You seem to be very confused.
>
>
>


No, just VERY stupid.

Of course the stupidity does cause confusion so you ARE right in that
sense...

<snicker>

--
AW

<small but dangerous>
 
"Amanda Williams" <pms@fu.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A773908A1741fubar@63.218.45.252...
> Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly said in
> news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:
>
>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>> By Roger Harrabin
>> BBC News environment analyst
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>>
>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
>> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
>> meteorologists have said.
>>
>> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
>> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
>> the summer.
>>
>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>> prompting some to question climate change theory.
>>
>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
>> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
>>
>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
>> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average
>> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
>>
>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
>> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
>>
>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
>> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
>> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.
>>
>> Rises 'stalled'
>>
>> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>>
>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
>> Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean the
>> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
>> thunderstorms is increased
>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
>> than the stronger El Nino
>>
>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
>> effects are so huge they resonate round the world.
>>
>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This year,
>> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.
>>
>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of the
>> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.
>>
>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
>> the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
>> degree.
>>
>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
>> when El Nino warmed the world.
>>
>> Watching trends
>>
>> A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
>> has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse
>> gases than predicted.
>>
>>
>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
>> browser.
>>
>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>>
>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
>> temperatures would still be well above average for the century.
>>
>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular
>> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
>> and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of
>> warming.
>>
>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
>> and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
>> important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
>> average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
>> Nina."
>>
>>
>> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>>
>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
>> Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
>> about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
>> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.
>>
>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
>> along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
>> small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
>> years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>>

>
> Yes.... AND ??????
>
> ****ing "flat-earth" moron...
>
> --
> AW
>
> <small but dangerous mind>


"This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
prompting some to question climate change theory."

So much for your "consensus"!
 
"Taylor" <Taylor@nospam.com> allegedly said in
news:TradnR4L4b3j5mranZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com:

>
> "Amanda Williams" <pms@fu.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A773908A1741fubar@63.218.45.252...
>> Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly said in
>> news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>>> By Roger Harrabin
>>> BBC News environment analyst
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>>>
>>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
>>> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
>>> meteorologists have said.
>>>
>>> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
>>> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
>>> the summer.
>>>
>>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>>> prompting some to question climate change theory.
>>>
>>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
>>> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
>>>
>>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
>>> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global

average
>>> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
>>>
>>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
>>> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
>>>
>>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
>>> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
>>> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.
>>>
>>> Rises 'stalled'
>>>
>>> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>>>
>>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
>>> Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean

the
>>> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
>>> thunderstorms is increased
>>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
>>> than the stronger El Nino
>>>
>>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
>>> effects are so huge they resonate round the world.
>>>
>>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This

year,
>>> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.
>>>
>>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of

the
>>> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.
>>>
>>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
>>> the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
>>> degree.
>>>
>>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
>>> when El Nino warmed the world.
>>>
>>> Watching trends
>>>
>>> A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
>>> has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to

greenhouse
>>> gases than predicted.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
>>> browser.
>>>
>>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>>>
>>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
>>> temperatures would still be well above average for the century.
>>>
>>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at any

particular
>>> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
>>> and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative

of
>>> warming.
>>>
>>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
>>> and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
>>> important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
>>> average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
>>> Nina."
>>>
>>>
>>> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>>>
>>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
>>> Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
>>> about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
>>> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.
>>>
>>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
>>> along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
>>> small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
>>> years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
>>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>>>

>>
>> Yes.... AND ??????
>>
>> ****ing "flat-earth" moron...
>>
>> --
>> AW
>>
>> <small but dangerous mind>

>
> "This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
> prompting some to question climate change theory."
>
> So much for your "consensus"!


Geez... ANOTHER dumb-as-dirt "flat-earth" moron...

You wanna read the WHOLE article you ridiculous moron... or, in your
case, given your obvious lack of basic comprehension skills, get somebody
to read it to you....

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"Amanda Williams" <pms@fu.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A776166CEDB0fubar@63.218.45.254
> "Taylor" <Taylor@nospam.com> allegedly said in
> news:TradnR4L4b3j5mranZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>>
>> "Amanda Williams" <pms@fu.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A773908A1741fubar@63.218.45.252...
>>> Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly
>>> said in news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>>>> By Roger Harrabin
>>>> BBC News environment analyst
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>>>>
>>>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a
>>>> result of the cooling effect of the La Nina current in
>>>> the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.
>>>>
>>>> The World Meteorological Organization's
>>>> secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was
>>>> likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.
>>>>
>>>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen
>>>> since 1998, prompting some to question climate change
>>>> theory.
>>>>
>>>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term
>>>> warming trend - and they forecast a new record high
>>>> temperature within five years.
>>>>
>>>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007
>>>> was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the
>>>> 20th Century, the global

> average
>>>> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
>>>>
>>>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the
>>>> warmest year, the UK's Hadley Centre lists it as
>>>> second to 1998.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value
>>>> for any particular year is larger than these small
>>>> temperature differences. What matters, they say, is
>>>> the long-term upward trend.
>>>>
>>>> Rises 'stalled'
>>>>
>>>> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>>>>
>>>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>>>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and
>>>> eastern Pacific Increased sea temperatures on the
>>>> western side of the Pacific mean

> the
>>>> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain
>>>> and thunderstorms is increased
>>>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less
>>>> damaging event than the stronger El Nino
>>>>
>>>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific
>>>> currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round
>>>> the world.
>>>>
>>>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina
>>>> cools it. This

> year,
>>>> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.
>>>>
>>>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia
>>>> and to some of

> the
>>>> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of
>>>> China.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to
>>>> continue into the summer, depressing temperatures
>>>> globally by a fraction of a degree.
>>>>
>>>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen
>>>> globally since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world.
>>>>
>>>> Watching trends
>>>>
>>>> A minority of scientists question whether this means
>>>> global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has
>>>> proved more resilient to

> greenhouse
>>>> gases than predicted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript
>>>> enabled on your browser.
>>>>
>>>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>>>>
>>>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and
>>>> noted that 2008 temperatures would still be well above
>>>> average for the century.
>>>>
>>>> "When you look at climate change you should not look
>>>> at any

> particular
>>>> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a
>>>> pretty long period and the trend of temperature
>>>> globally is still very much indicative

> of
>>>> warming.
>>>>
>>>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There
>>>> has always been and there will always be cooler and
>>>> warmer years, but what is important for climate change
>>>> is that the trend is up; the climate on average is
>>>> warming even if there is a temporary cooling because
>>>> of La Nina."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>>>>
>>>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate
>>>> Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said
>>>> their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the
>>>> 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
>>>> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that
>>>> La Nina has come along and depressed temperatures
>>>> slightly but these changes are very small compared to
>>>> the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
>>>> years time we are confident that the current record
>>>> temperature of 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina
>>>> has ended."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.... AND ??????
>>>
>>> ****ing "flat-earth" moron...
>>>
>>> --
>>> AW
>>>
>>> <small but dangerous mind>

>>
>> "This would mean global temperatures have not risen
>> since 1998, prompting some to question climate change
>> theory."
>>
>> So much for your "consensus"!

>
> Geez... ANOTHER dumb-as-dirt "flat-earth" moron...
>
> You wanna read the WHOLE article you ridiculous moron...
> or, in your case, given your obvious lack of basic
> comprehension skills, get somebody to read it to you....
>
> --
> AW
>
> <small but dangerous>


Wahahaha..........There isn't even any agreement on the term "consensus"!

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus

It is not unanimous agreement.






--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
 
In article <ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:

> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
> By Roger Harrabin
> BBC News environment analyst
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>
> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
> meteorologists have said.
>
> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
> the summer.
>
> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
> prompting some to question climate change theory.
>
> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
>
> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average
> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
>
> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
>
> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.


It's a very small upward trend, and cause has never been established.

That the mean of the global temperature index has been flat for a decade
isn't any more or less significant than the small warming trend of the
past century.

Of course.

Which is to say the models aren't predictive, the theory isn't
predictive to any significant extent--and yet people who're completely
disconnected from the science of climatology continue to make patently
ridiculous predictions about climate.

--
NeoLibertarian

http://www.elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/UncleHood.jpg
 
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:33:07 -0400, "Jones" <Jones@jones.con> wrote:

>
>
>"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
>message news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com
>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>> By Roger Harrabin
>> BBC News environment analyst
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>>
>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a
>> result of the cooling effect of the La Nina current in
>> the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.
>>
>> The World Meteorological Organization's
>> secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was
>> likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.
>>
>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since
>> 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory.
>>
>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term
>> warming trend - and they forecast a new record high
>> temperature within five years.
>>
>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was
>> the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th
>> Century, the global average surface temperature has risen
>> by 0.74C.
>>
>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the
>> warmest year, the UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second
>> to 1998.
>>
>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for
>> any particular year is larger than these small
>> temperature differences. What matters, they say, is the
>> long-term upward trend.
>>
>> Rises 'stalled'
>>
>> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>>
>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and
>> eastern Pacific Increased sea temperatures on the western
>> side of the Pacific mean the atmosphere has more energy
>> and frequency of heavy rain and thunderstorms is increased
>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less
>> damaging event than the stronger El Nino
>>
>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific
>> currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round
>> the world.
>>
>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools
>> it. This year, the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful
>> La Nina.
>>
>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and
>> to some of the coldest temperatures in memory in
>> snow-bound parts of China.
>>
>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to
>> continue into the summer, depressing temperatures
>> globally by a fraction of a degree.
>>
>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally
>> since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world.
>>
>> Watching trends
>>
>> A minority of scientists question whether this means
>> global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has proved
>> more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted.
>>
>>
>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript
>> enabled on your browser.
>>
>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>>
>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted
>> that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average
>> for the century.
>>
>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at
>> any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends
>> over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature
>> globally is still very much indicative of warming.
>>
>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has
>> always been and there will always be cooler and warmer
>> years, but what is important for climate change is that
>> the trend is up; the climate on average is warming even
>> if there is a temporary cooling because of La Nina."
>>
>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript
>> enabled on your browser.
>>
>> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>>
>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate
>> Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said
>> their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the
>> 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared
>> it with further back in the 20th Century.
>>
>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La
>> Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly
>> but these changes are very small compared to the
>> long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time
>> we are confident that the current record temperature of
>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>>
>> --
>> If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism
>> or Scientific Socialism then you are a tool of Capitalist
>> interests. If you disagree with the theories or dogmas of
>> Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a
>> tool of Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? --
>> Captain Compassion
>>
>>
>> The object of life is not to be on the side of the
>> majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of
>> the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius
>>
>> "...the whole world, including the United States,
>> including all that we have known and cared for, will sink
>> into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and
>> perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted
>> science." -- Sir Winston Churchill
>>
>> Joseph R. Darancette
>> daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net

>
> So what is your point here? That there is no global warming or there is?
>
> From your own article it says:
>
>"But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
>and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years."
>
> You seem to be very confused.


The point is that it is extremely difficult to forecast (predict) the
weather. These same "experts" did not predict the cooling trend from
1999 why would anyone accept there forecasts for the next last 5
years? One of the assumptions of AGW theory is as long as there
elevated Anthropogenic CO2 that global temperatures will increase and
even accelerate until CO2 from human sources are abated. This article
falsifies this assumption.


--
If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion


The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
On 05 Apr 2008 09:36:23 GMT, Amanda Williams <pms@fu.com> wrote:

>Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly said in
>news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:
>
>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>> By Roger Harrabin
>> BBC News environment analyst
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>>
>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
>> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
>> meteorologists have said.
>>
>> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
>> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
>> the summer.
>>
>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>> prompting some to question climate change theory.
>>
>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
>> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
>>
>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
>> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average
>> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
>>
>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
>> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
>>
>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
>> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
>> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.
>>
>> Rises 'stalled'
>>
>> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>>
>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
>> Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean the
>> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
>> thunderstorms is increased
>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
>> than the stronger El Nino
>>
>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
>> effects are so huge they resonate round the world.
>>
>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This year,
>> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.
>>
>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of the
>> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.
>>
>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
>> the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
>> degree.
>>
>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
>> when El Nino warmed the world.
>>
>> Watching trends
>>
>> A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
>> has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse
>> gases than predicted.
>>
>>
>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
>> browser.
>>
>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>>
>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
>> temperatures would still be well above average for the century.
>>
>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular
>> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
>> and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of
>> warming.
>>
>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
>> and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
>> important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
>> average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
>> Nina."
>>
>>
>> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>>
>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
>> Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
>> about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
>> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.
>>
>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
>> along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
>> small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
>> years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>>

>
>Yes.... AND ??????
>
>****ing "flat-earth" moron...


So... Why did the computer models and forecasters fail to predict the
downturn in global temperatures? Actual facts are not reflected in the
models.

No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single
experiment can prove me wrong. -
 
On 05 Apr 2008 13:34:29 GMT, Amanda Williams <pms@fu.com> wrote:

>"Taylor" <Taylor@nospam.com> allegedly said in
>news:TradnR4L4b3j5mranZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>>
>> "Amanda Williams" <pms@fu.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A773908A1741fubar@63.218.45.252...
>>> Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly said in
>>> news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>>>> By Roger Harrabin
>>>> BBC News environment analyst
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>>>>
>>>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
>>>> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
>>>> meteorologists have said.
>>>>
>>>> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
>>>> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
>>>> the summer.
>>>>
>>>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>>>> prompting some to question climate change theory.
>>>>
>>>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
>>>> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
>>>>
>>>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
>>>> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global

>average
>>>> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
>>>>
>>>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
>>>> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
>>>> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
>>>> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.
>>>>
>>>> Rises 'stalled'
>>>>
>>>> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>>>>
>>>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>>>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
>>>> Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean

>the
>>>> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
>>>> thunderstorms is increased
>>>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
>>>> than the stronger El Nino
>>>>
>>>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
>>>> effects are so huge they resonate round the world.
>>>>
>>>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This

>year,
>>>> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.
>>>>
>>>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of

>the
>>>> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
>>>> the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
>>>> degree.
>>>>
>>>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
>>>> when El Nino warmed the world.
>>>>
>>>> Watching trends
>>>>
>>>> A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
>>>> has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to

>greenhouse
>>>> gases than predicted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
>>>> browser.
>>>>
>>>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>>>>
>>>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
>>>> temperatures would still be well above average for the century.
>>>>
>>>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at any

>particular
>>>> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
>>>> and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative

>of
>>>> warming.
>>>>
>>>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
>>>> and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
>>>> important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
>>>> average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
>>>> Nina."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>>>>
>>>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
>>>> Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
>>>> about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
>>>> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
>>>> along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
>>>> small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
>>>> years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
>>>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.... AND ??????
>>>
>>> ****ing "flat-earth" moron...
>>>
>>> --
>>> AW
>>>
>>> <small but dangerous mind>

>>
>> "This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>> prompting some to question climate change theory."
>>
>> So much for your "consensus"!

>
>Geez... ANOTHER dumb-as-dirt "flat-earth" moron...
>
>You wanna read the WHOLE article you ridiculous moron... or, in your
>case, given your obvious lack of basic comprehension skills, get somebody
>to read it to you....


If none of the models and so called scientific projections were able
to accurately project climate trends over the last 10 years why would
you assume they will be correct in the future? That is madness.


"Madmen reason rightly from the wrong premisis" -- Locke


--
If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion


The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
On Apr 5, 7:34 am, Amanda Williams <p...@fu.com> wrote:
> "Taylor" <Tay...@nospam.com> allegedly said innews:TradnR4L4b3j5mranZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Amanda Williams" <p...@fu.com> wrote in message
> >news:Xns9A773908A1741fubar@63.218.45.252...
> >> Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly said in
> >>news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:

>
> >>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
> >>> By Roger Harrabin
> >>> BBC News environment analyst
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

>
> >>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
> >>> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
> >>> meteorologists have said.

>
> >>> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
> >>> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
> >>> the summer.

>
> >>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
> >>> prompting some to question climate change theory.

>
> >>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
> >>> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.

>
> >>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
> >>> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global

> average
> >>> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.

>
> >>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
> >>> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.

>
> >>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
> >>> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
> >>> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.

>
> >>> Rises 'stalled'

>
> >>> LA NINA KEY FACTS

>
> >>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
> >>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
> >>> Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean

> the
> >>> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
> >>> thunderstorms is increased
> >>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
> >>> than the stronger El Nino

>
> >>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
> >>> effects are so huge they resonate round the world.

>
> >>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This

> year,
> >>> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.

>
> >>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of

> the
> >>> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.

>
> >>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
> >>> the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
> >>> degree.

>
> >>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
> >>> when El Nino warmed the world.

>
> >>> Watching trends

>
> >>> A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
> >>> has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to

> greenhouse
> >>> gases than predicted.

>
> >>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
> >>> browser.

>
> >>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects

>
> >>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
> >>> temperatures would still be well above average for the century.

>
> >>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at any

> particular
> >>> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
> >>> and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative

> of
> >>> warming.

>
> >>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
> >>> and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
> >>> important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
> >>> average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
> >>> Nina."

>
> >>> China suffered from heavy snow in January

>
> >>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
> >>> Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
> >>> about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
> >>> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.

>
> >>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
> >>> along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
> >>> small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
> >>> years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
> >>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."

>
> >> Yes.... AND ??????

>
> >> ****ing "flat-earth" moron...

>
> >> --
> >> AW

>
> >> <small but dangerous mind>

>
> > "This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
> > prompting some to question climate change theory."

>
> > So much for your "consensus"!

>
> Geez... ANOTHER dumb-as-dirt "flat-earth" moron...
>
> You wanna read the WHOLE article you ridiculous moron... or, in your
> case, given your obvious lack of basic comprehension skills, get somebody
> to read it to you....
>
> --
> AW
>
> <small but dangerous>


I don't think he was using it to make a political point, rather he was
posting an article that showed both sides of the same coin. This kind
of thing is pretty rare in here. BTW, what evidence do you have that
he ever said he believes the Earth is flat? You keep saying that and
calling him a moron yet you provide no evidence he actually believes
the Earth is flat. Why is this?
 
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:09:19 -0700 (PDT), Osiris88 <indexai@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 5, 7:34 am, Amanda Williams <p...@fu.com> wrote:
>> "Taylor" <Tay...@nospam.com> allegedly said innews:TradnR4L4b3j5mranZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Amanda Williams" <p...@fu.com> wrote in message
>> >news:Xns9A773908A1741fubar@63.218.45.252...
>> >> Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly said in
>> >>news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:

>>
>> >>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>> >>> By Roger Harrabin
>> >>> BBC News environment analyst
>> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

>>
>> >>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
>> >>> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
>> >>> meteorologists have said.

>>
>> >>> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
>> >>> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
>> >>> the summer.

>>
>> >>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>> >>> prompting some to question climate change theory.

>>
>> >>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
>> >>> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.

>>
>> >>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
>> >>> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global

>> average
>> >>> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.

>>
>> >>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
>> >>> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.

>>
>> >>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
>> >>> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
>> >>> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.

>>
>> >>> Rises 'stalled'

>>
>> >>> LA NINA KEY FACTS

>>
>> >>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>> >>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
>> >>> Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean

>> the
>> >>> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
>> >>> thunderstorms is increased
>> >>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
>> >>> than the stronger El Nino

>>
>> >>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
>> >>> effects are so huge they resonate round the world.

>>
>> >>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This

>> year,
>> >>> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.

>>
>> >>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of

>> the
>> >>> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.

>>
>> >>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
>> >>> the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
>> >>> degree.

>>
>> >>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
>> >>> when El Nino warmed the world.

>>
>> >>> Watching trends

>>
>> >>> A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
>> >>> has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to

>> greenhouse
>> >>> gases than predicted.

>>
>> >>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
>> >>> browser.

>>
>> >>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects

>>
>> >>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
>> >>> temperatures would still be well above average for the century.

>>
>> >>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at any

>> particular
>> >>> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
>> >>> and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative

>> of
>> >>> warming.

>>
>> >>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
>> >>> and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
>> >>> important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
>> >>> average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
>> >>> Nina."

>>
>> >>> China suffered from heavy snow in January

>>
>> >>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
>> >>> Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
>> >>> about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
>> >>> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.

>>
>> >>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
>> >>> along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
>> >>> small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
>> >>> years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
>> >>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."

>>
>> >> Yes.... AND ??????

>>
>> >> ****ing "flat-earth" moron...

>>
>> >> --
>> >> AW

>>
>> >> <small but dangerous mind>

>>
>> > "This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>> > prompting some to question climate change theory."

>>
>> > So much for your "consensus"!

>>
>> Geez... ANOTHER dumb-as-dirt "flat-earth" moron...
>>
>> You wanna read the WHOLE article you ridiculous moron... or, in your
>> case, given your obvious lack of basic comprehension skills, get somebody
>> to read it to you....
>>
>> --
>> AW
>>
>> <small but dangerous>

>
>I don't think he was using it to make a political point, rather he was
>posting an article that showed both sides of the same coin. This kind
>of thing is pretty rare in here. BTW, what evidence do you have that
>he ever said he believes the Earth is flat? You keep saying that and
>calling him a moron yet you provide no evidence he actually believes
>the Earth is flat. Why is this?


AW is a true believer. Anyone who disagrees with his/her POV is either
stupid, dangerous or both and as with most true believers reason is
not his/her strong suit. Invective and ad hominem attack trump logical
informed discourse.


--
If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion


The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:33kkv3lv3e2bmvsal1omq97igabhl9goqv@4ax.com...
> On 05 Apr 2008 13:34:29 GMT, Amanda Williams <pms@fu.com> wrote:
>
>>"Taylor" <Taylor@nospam.com> allegedly said in
>>news:TradnR4L4b3j5mranZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "Amanda Williams" <pms@fu.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9A773908A1741fubar@63.218.45.252...
>>>> Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> allegedly said in
>>>> news:ke1ev3htmikqie6mhc1j3gqnr52r329i44@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Global temperatures 'to decrease'
>>>>> By Roger Harrabin
>>>>> BBC News environment analyst
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the
>>>>> cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN
>>>>> meteorologists have said.
>>>>>
>>>>> The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel
>>>>> Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into
>>>>> the summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>>>>> prompting some to question climate change theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend -
>>>>> and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest
>>>>> on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global

>>average
>>>>> surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
>>>>>
>>>>> While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the
>>>>> UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
>>>>>
>>>>> Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any
>>>>> particular year is larger than these small temperature differences.
>>>>> What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rises 'stalled'
>>>>>
>>>>> LA NINA KEY FACTS
>>>>>
>>>>> La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
>>>>> Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
>>>>> Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean

>>the
>>>>> atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and
>>>>> thunderstorms is increased
>>>>> Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event
>>>>> than the stronger El Nino
>>>>>
>>>>> La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose
>>>>> effects are so huge they resonate round the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This

>>year,
>>>>> the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of

>>the
>>>>> coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into
>>>>> the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a
>>>>> degree.
>>>>>
>>>>> This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998
>>>>> when El Nino warmed the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Watching trends
>>>>>
>>>>> A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming
>>>>> has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to

>>greenhouse
>>>>> gases than predicted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cannot play media. Sorry you need to have JavaScript enabled on your
>>>>> browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects
>>>>>
>>>>> But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008
>>>>> temperatures would still be well above average for the century.
>>>>>
>>>>> "When you look at climate change you should not look at any

>>particular
>>>>> year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period
>>>>> and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative

>>of
>>>>> warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been
>>>>> and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is
>>>>> important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on
>>>>> average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La
>>>>> Nina."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> China suffered from heavy snow in January
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the
>>>>> Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was
>>>>> about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you
>>>>> compared it with further back in the 20th Century.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come
>>>>> along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very
>>>>> small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few
>>>>> years time we are confident that the current record temperature of
>>>>> 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes.... AND ??????
>>>>
>>>> ****ing "flat-earth" moron...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AW
>>>>
>>>> <small but dangerous mind>
>>>
>>> "This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998,
>>> prompting some to question climate change theory."
>>>
>>> So much for your "consensus"!

>>
>>Geez... ANOTHER dumb-as-dirt "flat-earth" moron...
>>
>>You wanna read the WHOLE article you ridiculous moron... or, in your
>>case, given your obvious lack of basic comprehension skills, get somebody
>>to read it to you....

>
> If none of the models and so called scientific projections were able
> to accurately project climate trends over the last 10 years why would
> you assume they will be correct in the future? That is madness.


Excellent!!! :)

Harley
 
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