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Yup.......The Light is beginning to Shine on the PHONY BALONEY "Global
Warming" Hype now.........Donchaknow..........
"Climate facts to warm to
Christopher Pearson
The Australian
March 22, 2008
CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the
notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.
Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a
tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It
was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint,
Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of
Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in
public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will
ignore it at their peril.
Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth still warming?"
She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998
as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of
reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not
what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because
carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have
actually been coming down over the last 10 years."
Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"
Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the
apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises
that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have
plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if
carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given
carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures
should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's
being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's
very significant."
Duffy: "It's not only that it's not discussed. We never hear it, do
we? Whenever there's any sort of weather event that can be linked into
the global warming orthodoxy, it's put on the front page. But a fact
like that, which is that global warming stopped a decade ago, is
virtually never reported, which is extraordinary."
Duffy then turned to the question of how the proponents of the
greenhouse gas hypothesis deal with data that doesn't support their
case. "People like Kevin Rudd and Ross Garnaut are speaking as though
the Earth is still warming at an alarming rate, but what is the
argument from the other side? What would people associated with the
IPCC say to explain the (temperature) dip?"
Marohasy: "Well, the head of the IPCC has suggested natural factors
are compensating for the increasing carbon dioxide levels and I guess,
to some extent, that's what sceptics have been saying for some time:
that, yes, carbon dioxide will give you some warming but there are a
whole lot of other factors that may compensate or that may augment the
warming from elevated levels of carbon dioxide.
"There's been a lot of talk about the impact of the sun and that maybe
we're going to go through or are entering a period of less intense
solar activity and this could be contributing to the current
cooling."
Duffy: "Can you tell us about NASA's Aqua satellite, because I
understand some of the data we're now getting is quite important in
our understanding of how climate works?"
Marohasy: "That's right. The satellite was only launched in 2002 and
it enabled the collection of data, not just on temperature but also on
cloud formation and water vapour. What all the climate models suggest
is that, when you've got warming from additional carbon dioxide, this
will result in increased water vapour, so you're going to get a
positive feedback. That's what the models have been indicating. What
this great data from the NASA Aqua satellite ... (is) actually showing
is just the opposite, that with a little bit of warming, weather
processes are compensating, so they're actually limiting the
greenhouse effect and you're getting a negative rather than a positive
feedback."
Duffy: "The climate is actually, in one way anyway, more robust than
was assumed in the climate models?"
Marohasy: "That's right ... These findings actually aren't being
disputed by the meteorological community. They're having trouble
digesting the findings, they're acknowledging the findings, they're
acknowledging that the data from NASA's Aqua satellite is not how the
models predict, and I think they're about to recognise that the models
really do need to be overhauled and that when they are overhauled they
will probably show greatly reduced future warming projected as a
consequence of carbon dioxide."
Duffy: "From what you're saying, it sounds like the implications of
this could beconsiderable ..."
Marohasy: "That's right, very much so. The policy implications are
enormous. The meteorological community at the moment is really just
coming to terms with the output from this NASA Aqua satellite and
(climate scientist) Roy Spencer's interpretation of them. His work is
published, his work is accepted, but I think people are still in shock
at this point."
"
Warming" Hype now.........Donchaknow..........
"Climate facts to warm to
Christopher Pearson
The Australian
March 22, 2008
CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the
notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.
Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a
tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It
was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint,
Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of
Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in
public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will
ignore it at their peril.
Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth still warming?"
She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998
as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of
reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not
what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because
carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have
actually been coming down over the last 10 years."
Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"
Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the
apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises
that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have
plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if
carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given
carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures
should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's
being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's
very significant."
Duffy: "It's not only that it's not discussed. We never hear it, do
we? Whenever there's any sort of weather event that can be linked into
the global warming orthodoxy, it's put on the front page. But a fact
like that, which is that global warming stopped a decade ago, is
virtually never reported, which is extraordinary."
Duffy then turned to the question of how the proponents of the
greenhouse gas hypothesis deal with data that doesn't support their
case. "People like Kevin Rudd and Ross Garnaut are speaking as though
the Earth is still warming at an alarming rate, but what is the
argument from the other side? What would people associated with the
IPCC say to explain the (temperature) dip?"
Marohasy: "Well, the head of the IPCC has suggested natural factors
are compensating for the increasing carbon dioxide levels and I guess,
to some extent, that's what sceptics have been saying for some time:
that, yes, carbon dioxide will give you some warming but there are a
whole lot of other factors that may compensate or that may augment the
warming from elevated levels of carbon dioxide.
"There's been a lot of talk about the impact of the sun and that maybe
we're going to go through or are entering a period of less intense
solar activity and this could be contributing to the current
cooling."
Duffy: "Can you tell us about NASA's Aqua satellite, because I
understand some of the data we're now getting is quite important in
our understanding of how climate works?"
Marohasy: "That's right. The satellite was only launched in 2002 and
it enabled the collection of data, not just on temperature but also on
cloud formation and water vapour. What all the climate models suggest
is that, when you've got warming from additional carbon dioxide, this
will result in increased water vapour, so you're going to get a
positive feedback. That's what the models have been indicating. What
this great data from the NASA Aqua satellite ... (is) actually showing
is just the opposite, that with a little bit of warming, weather
processes are compensating, so they're actually limiting the
greenhouse effect and you're getting a negative rather than a positive
feedback."
Duffy: "The climate is actually, in one way anyway, more robust than
was assumed in the climate models?"
Marohasy: "That's right ... These findings actually aren't being
disputed by the meteorological community. They're having trouble
digesting the findings, they're acknowledging the findings, they're
acknowledging that the data from NASA's Aqua satellite is not how the
models predict, and I think they're about to recognise that the models
really do need to be overhauled and that when they are overhauled they
will probably show greatly reduced future warming projected as a
consequence of carbon dioxide."
Duffy: "From what you're saying, it sounds like the implications of
this could beconsiderable ..."
Marohasy: "That's right, very much so. The policy implications are
enormous. The meteorological community at the moment is really just
coming to terms with the output from this NASA Aqua satellite and
(climate scientist) Roy Spencer's interpretation of them. His work is
published, his work is accepted, but I think people are still in shock
at this point."
"
