Gold diggers stink!

Fukking gold diggers.

It started out with an old flame asking me if I would borrow him $5000. Now word is out that I'm selling my business and I've got a couple of shlubs sniffing around seeing if they can't get in on the action. One works as little as humanly possible out at his family's farm and spends the rest of his day drinking at the bar. He thinks we "should go out sometime" and I'm sure he's figuring we'll spend my cash and I can wind up supporting him so he can realize his dream of becoming a full time alcoholic. The second is a drug addict/pusher who, while quite good looking, can only muster the energy to work part time at the convenience store and spends the rest of his time accumulating girlfriends to feel sorry for him and take care of him financially. He wants me to "give him a call".

So not interested.

My best friend has been having problems with gold diggers, too. He lives in a gorgeous house and makes damn good money. The problem he has is that the dates start out fair, but once they find out where he lives, what he does for a living and what he drives, they become REALLY interested. He's having a difficult time finding someone who's truly interested in him, and not just what his money can buy them.

Why do some people feel entitled to have something while doing nothing to earn it? How can they live off the sweat, blood and tears of others and still manage to sleep at night?

Now, I'm not including parents who stay home to raise children in this rant. Raising kids is a full time job and if a couple can afford for one parent to stay home with their brood, I think that's wonderful. God bless 'em!

I'm talking about the guy who wants to sit at home and pound his pud and play Xbox all day while his woman works three jobs. Or the gal who does nothing but get her nails done, shop for clothes and yak on her cell phone with her girlfriends while her man puts in back breaking overtime to pay for the sh!t she just HAS to have.

Insufferable leeches, the lot of them!

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What are your thoughts on or experiences with gold diggers?

The solution seems clear, marry your best friend.......

Seriously, Tami is my best friend, I cannot imagine anything better than actually being friends with the person you love, it certainly gives the relationship enough debth of mutual respect that most relationships lack these days.

Anyone can have the potential to be a gold digger to a certain degree.

Didn't you mention something about dating to get the free dinner out of it? Maybe you were joking but many do that and there was even a recent news report saying that with this economy crunch, women are dating more to get that free dinner......so does that make them a gold digger?

I have a friend who is so scared a woman will take him for his money he rarely makes it three weeks dating the same woman. I feel bad for him because his fear is keeping him from relaxing enough to find someone special in his life.

The solution seems clear, marry your best friend.......

No. I love him to pieces and would do anything for him, but I'm not IN love with him.

Plus I have no desire to be married or in a long-term exclusive relationship with anyone at this point.

Didn't you mention something about dating to get the free dinner out of it? Maybe you were joking but many do that and there was even a recent news report saying that with this economy crunch, women are dating more to get that free dinner......so does that make them a gold digger?

The "hey, free dinner" was a running gag between eddo and myself.

Personally, I would be turned off by a man who didn't buy dinner on at least the first two or three dates. I'm surprisingly old fashioned.

And I'm definitely NOT a gold digger.

I have a friend who is so scared a woman will take him for his money he rarely makes it three weeks dating the same woman. I feel bad for him because his fear is keeping him from relaxing enough to find someone special in his life.

Maybe he's perfectly content to play the field. To each their own.

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Exactly WHY I am remaining single....LMAO!!!!!!

Exactly WHY I am remaining single....LMAO!!!!!!

ewww...baby fetishes! Grossss!

No. I love him to pieces and would do anything for him, but I'm not IN love with him.

 

Plus I have no desire to be married or in a long-term exclusive relationship with anyone at this point.

Fair enough, just making a point that many times an opportunity is right there in front of our faces.

At least there would not be any surprises later.

The "hey, free dinner" was a running gag between eddo and myself.

 

Personally, I would be turned off by a man who didn't buy dinner on at least the first two or three dates. I'm surprisingly old fashioned.

 

And I'm definitely NOT a gold digger.

So free dinner is not gold digging, got it, lol.

So if the guy buys you a free meal and pays for the 'date' like movies and stuff, do you feel obligated to compensate him in return with sex?

Just wondering your stance on that.

Maybe he's perfectly content to play the field. To each their own.

Nobody is meant to be all alone Ali.

ewww...baby fetishes! Grossss!

Would you rather see a picture of my side boob to cleanse that image out of your mind?

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Fair enough, just making a point that many times an opportunity is right there in front of our faces.

 

At least there would not be any surprises later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So free dinner is not gold digging, got it, lol.

 

So if the guy buys you a free meal and pays for the 'date' like movies and stuff, do you feel obligated to compensate him in return with sex?

 

Just wondering your stance on that.

 

 

 

 

Nobody is meant to be all alone Ali.

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So free dinner is not gold digging, got it, lol.

 

So if the guy buys you a free meal and pays for the 'date' like movies and stuff, do you feel obligated to compensate him in return with sex?

 

Just wondering your stance on that.

I don't use sex as a bartering tool. I'm not a whore.

I'll have sex with a guy because I think he's smart, fascinating, shares some of the same passions I do, has the ability to make me laugh so hard I snort or because I happen to feel horny....not because he shelled out $150 for a prime rib dinner.

If someone asks me out, he should pay for the date. If I ask a guy out, I'd be willing to pay since I did the asking. That's not gold digging.

Nobody is meant to be all alone Ali.

Says who? Some people are perfectly happy to live alone. No one should tell anybody that choice is wrong if that's what feels right to them.

Would you rather see a picture of my side boob to cleanse that image out of your mind?

 

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I love your side boob, Peter.....I mean, IWS!

I love your side boob, Peter.....I mean, IWS!

It was the Fox logo that gave it away, huh?

It was the Fox logo that gave it away, huh?

you aren't about to sneak a Family Guy reference by Ali.

ButtScratcher!?

ButtScratcher!?

ButtScratcher!?

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It was the Fox logo that gave it away, huh?

Oh hell no. I didn't need the Fox logo to know exactly what I was looking at!

you aren't about to sneak a Family Guy reference by Ali.

eddo knows. That's right....eddo knows.

I don't use sex as a bartering tool. I'm not a whore.

Sounds good, so when a woman marries a man for financial security, does that make them a whore?

I'll have sex with a guy because I think he's smart, fascinating, shares some of the same passions I do, has the ability to make me laugh so hard I snort or because I happen to feel horny....not because he shelled out $150 for a prime rib dinner.

I am not taking a shot at you Ali, please do not try to take my next comment as a personal flame or attack because that is not what I am trying to do, but I am going to make a very strong point and I hope you can accept it as valid instead of going off the deep end:

I notice in your list there was no mention of love.

This is one of the key changes in the attitudes of women I feel is important to discuss. Ali I believe your a good woman, but why is sex so "not special" to you? What ever happened to sex being an expression of love?

If someone asks me out, he should pay for the date. If I ask a guy out, I'd be willing to pay since I did the asking. That's not gold digging.

So you would let him pay even if you initiated the date?

You say a man "should" pay but you would "be willing" to pay. So you believe a man should be obligated to pay for a woman's night out even if it was your idea?

Why? Just being in your company requires a man to pay for the privildege?

Wouldn't going dutch be the "fair" way to date?

Says who? Some people are perfectly happy to live alone. No one should tell anybody that choice is wrong if that's what feels right to them.

Many people also believe in UFO's and 9/11 being an inside job among many other silly things. People are not intended to be alone, there can be many reasons someone may choose to be alone, most of them because they have experienced considerable pain (I was one of those for awile), but self delusion does not erase the fundamental need humans have for companionship.

Sounds good, so when a woman marries a man for financial security, does that make them a whore?

If that's the only reason she married him and she doesn't contribute anything to the relationship other than sex and spending his money on herself, then I would say yes.

I am not taking a shot at you Ali, please do not try to take my next comment as a personal flame or attack because that is not what I am trying to do, but I am going to make a very strong point and I hope you can accept it as valid instead of going off the deep end:

This precursor to your conterpoint was completely unnecessary and a good example as to why you and I are often at odds.

I notice in your list there was no mention of love.

 

This is one of the key changes in the attitudes of women I feel is important to discuss. Ali I believe your a good woman, but why is sex so "not special" to you? What ever happened to sex being an expression of love?

I believe love and sex are two different animals. I am capable of having one without the other and always have been. I don't preach that lifestyle to others, but it IS what works for me.

So you would let him pay even if you initiated the date?

 

You say a man "should" pay but you would "be willing" to pay. So you believe a man should be obligated to pay for a woman's night out even if it was your idea?

 

Why? Just being in your company requires a man to pay for the privildege?

 

Wouldn't going dutch be the "fair" way to date?

Did you even read my comment? You quoted it, but did you READ it?

If a man asks me out on a date, then he should pay. If I ask a man out on a date, then I would be willing to (or "would" if that word would make you happier) pay.

I've only ever asked one man out on a coffee date. After it was over, I insisted on paying but he still picked up the tab, which I thought was very nice. But the point is, I would have been perfectly happy to pay for our date and wouldn't have held it against him if he had let me.

Many people also believe in UFO's and 9/11 being an inside job among many other silly things. People are not intended to be alone, there can be many reasons someone may choose to be alone, most of them because they have experienced considerable pain (I was one of those for awile), but self delusion does not erase the fundamental need humans have for companionship.

I bet your arrogance and condescending tone wins over lots of people.

Let people live the way they want to. What's it to you as long as it's not hurting you?

I don't need a man sitting beside me on the couch complaining that I didn't put enough pickles on his sandwich to make me happy....I can tell you that right now.

Many people also believe in UFO's and 9/11 being an inside job among many other silly things. People are not intended to be alone, there can be many reasons someone may choose to be alone, most of them because they have experienced considerable pain (I was one of those for awile), but self delusion does not erase the fundamental need humans have for companionship.

Gotta' throw the BS flag on this one.

Gonna have to ask for some proof. Sounds like someone is trying to pass off their belief as a scientific fact.

If that's the only reason she married him and she doesn't contribute anything to the relationship other than sex and spending his money on herself, then I would say yes.

So what percentage of contribution would transform the woman from whore to not a whore Ali?

I am asking this question to make a point that there is a monetary consideration even in many regular relationships. You say you expect men to always pay for your dates, so you have set a monetary landmark of at least a small level to be able to pay your way.

This precursor to your conterpoint was completely unnecessary and a good example as to why you and I are often at odds.

Well to be honest I feel like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs with you on everything I post because it seems your always trying to find fault in anything I say. I have never posted anything with the idea you would get angry, but you have gotten that way many times anyway so what am I supposed to do about you Ali?

I am not the guy your always trying to make me into.

I believe love and sex are two different animals. I am capable of having one without the other and always have been. I don't preach that lifestyle to others, but it IS what works for me.

And that is the attitude of most women these days Ali. I am not really saying it is wrong as much as saying this is in my opinion the biggest difference in how women think. Even in my University days it was said women use sex to get love and men use love to get sex.

Now we are in the age of the "booty call" where even women don't want love anymore and do not identify sex with the persuit of love.

Did you even read my comment? You quoted it, but did you READ it?

 

If a man asks me out on a date, then he should pay. If I ask a man out on a date, then I would be willing to (or "would" if that word would make you happier) pay.

 

I've only ever asked one man out on a coffee date. After it was over, I insisted on paying but he still picked up the tab, which I thought was very nice. But the point is, I would have been perfectly happy to pay for our date and wouldn't have held it against him if he had let me.

My point was you didn't use the "should" for yourself. But being as you just said you don't ask men out for more than coffee picking up the tab is really not relivant being as you never place yourself in the situation of having to pay for a big meal.

I bet your arrogance and condescending tone wins over lots of people.

And there is why I offered the earlier disclaimer. You decided to get mad here instead of there, but you saying something to try and put me down is normal and expected.

Let people live the way they want to. What's it to you as long as it's not hurting you?

Did I say anything about forcing you or anyone else to do what I want you to do Ali? You see this is where you get rediclious with me, I never said that, so why are you blowing up at me for somehting I didn't say?

I don't need a man sitting beside me on the couch complaining that I didn't put enough pickles on his sandwich to make me happy....I can tell you that right now.

You say that as if that is all men are, do you see all men as complainers and a burdon on women Ali?

I said nobody is meant to be alone (listen up IWS, this is for you too).

Our emotions are every bit as much a part of our being as our heart and trying to ignore or set aside our emotional health is not natural. Sure many people detach in many ways on the emotional side but there are usually big changes if they try to sustain that state for very long.

Cat ladies come to mind where they more or less reject human companionship and turn to cats or something else to compensate for that loss. Many people bury their life in ther jobs or maybe become radicals like the guy who killed Tiller the baby killer. Many even plunge themselves into this world making it very important to them because they can keep people at a distance, a "safe" distance.

Our emotions need companionship to sustain some semblance of normalcy.

 

I said nobody is meant to be alone (listen up IWS, this is for you too).

 

Our emotions are every bit as much a part of our being as our heart and trying to ignore or set aside our emotional health is not natural. Sure many people detach in many ways on the emotional side but there are usually big changes if they try to sustain that state for very long.

 

Cat ladies come to mind where they more or less reject human companionship and turn to cats or something else to compensate for that loss. Many people bury their life in ther jobs or maybe become radicals like the guy who killed Tiller the baby killer. Many even plunge themselves into this world making it very important to them because they can keep people at a distance, a "safe" distance.

 

Our emotions need companionship to sustain some semblance of normalcy.

The request was for "proof" of your statement. Not more opinion and speculation.

Why the dodge?

I'm guessing because you've got nothing to back this, but your opinion and your belief that whatever you believe is fact.

The request was for "proof" of your statement. Not more opinion and speculation.

 

Why the dodge?

 

I'm guessing because you've got nothing to back this, but your opinion and your belief that whatever you believe is fact.

So what part would you like me to prove?

That humans need companionship?

Are you really trying to say people do not need other people in their lives?

No dodge IWS, but I do sense a newfound hostility from you lately, why not just call me a Holocaust denier again, I am sure you will feel better after that.

Okay, in my attempt to once again be the guy reaching out to you guys while your insulting and putting me down as usual I will try to answer the question your not really asking:

Why are the two of you alone and trying so hard to justify that current existence?

Because of pain more than likely. You both have admitted to large problems in relationships and now your in that "self-protection" mode where you putting yourself into other things to try and make up for the gap in your lives. I have been there myself, I know exactly how this happens and where the path leads. When my ex-wife took off for her internet boyfriend it crushed me very bad. It was instant nasty where I was even refused to see my own children without a court order just to hurt me. The details are not as important as how it made me feel, and I can tell you I was not very positive about the whole companionship thing while I was actively feeling the pain of rejection and the abuse of trust from her in my life.

I was not capable of finding companionship and love again until I let go of that pain, and I carried that pain a long time so I know where your comming from guys.

If being alone was natural, nobody would be seeing past things like these to try again guys, this is my point.

"If at first you don't succeed" and all that stuff.........

So what percentage of contribution would transform the woman from whore to not a whore Ali?

I already stated it. If she is contributing nothing but sex and taking his money to spend on herself, that is pretty whorish. If a woman marries a well off man and stays at home but keeps up the house and does the majority of child rearing, that's not acting the whore.

Examples:

Anna Nicole Smith - would show her elderly oil tycoon husband her tits so that he would give her $10,000 to go buy jewelry. Whore.

Melinda Gates - helps her husband with their foundation and is an active philanthropist helping children all over the world. NOT a whore.

I am asking this question to make a point that there is a monetary consideration even in many regular relationships. You say you expect men to always pay for your dates, so you have set a monetary landmark of at least a small level to be able to pay your way.

It's a far cry for me to prefer that a man pay for our first couple of dates together if he asks me out vs. living with a man long term, expecting him to buy me everything I want, and contribute nothing but sex in return. This comparison is a reach even for you.

Well to be honest I feel like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs with you on everything I post because it seems your always trying to find fault in anything I say. I have never posted anything with the idea you would get angry, but you have gotten that way many times anyway so what am I supposed to do about you Ali?

 

I am not the guy your always trying to make me into.

"Your actions define you, my dear."

And that is the attitude of most women these days Ali. I am not really saying it is wrong as much as saying this is in my opinion the biggest difference in how women think. Even in my University days it was said women use sex to get love and men use love to get sex.

 

Now we are in the age of the "booty call" where even women don't want love anymore and do not identify sex with the persuit of love.

It's quite the conundrum.

My point was you didn't use the "should" for yourself.

I also don't use "quilt" for "guilt". Who is playing word police now?

My initial "would be willing to" reply was perfectly acceptable and conveyed the same meaning. You're just splitting hairs now because you get off on being disagreeable

But being as you just said you don't ask men out for more than coffee picking up the tab is really not relivant being as you never place yourself in the situation of having to pay for a big meal.

That's what worked out for our date at the time. If he were able to join me for lobster dinner, I would have been more than happy to pay for that.

I can afford things, TJ, and I am actually a very generous person.

Besides, what is wrong with me preferring that a man pay for the date if he asks me out? Shouldn't you be applauding me for having some standards and letting him exhibit his intentions for me through his actions rather than just spreading my legs for him just because he showed up at my door?

Sh!t, man. There is no pleasing you! If a woman doesn't have standards, she's a whore and if she does have standards, she is also a whore.

And there is why I offered the earlier disclaimer. You decided to get mad here instead of there, but you saying something to try and put me down is normal and expected.

You can't slap someone in the face all the while disclaiming the fact that you are slapping them in the face.

Did I say anything about forcing you or anyone else to do what I want you to do Ali? You see this is where you get rediclious with me, I never said that, so why are you blowing up at me for somehting I didn't say?

Then why are you claiming that people who live alone are foolish and unnatural? To deem them as such is to try to force them to conform to a more "natural" state through ridicule and humiliation. Just let it be!

You say that as if that is all men are, do you see all men as complainers and a burdon on women Ali?

I don't generally speak in absolute qualifiers, as it leaves no room for exception and also leaves one to:

A. Come across as arrogant rather than intelligent

B. More readily be proven wrong

C. Look like a horse's ass

Just something to think about.

I said nobody is meant to be alone (listen up IWS, this is for you too).

 

Our emotions are every bit as much a part of our being as our heart and trying to ignore or set aside our emotional health is not natural. Sure many people detach in many ways on the emotional side but there are usually big changes if they try to sustain that state for very long.

 

Cat ladies come to mind where they more or less reject human companionship and turn to cats or something else to compensate for that loss. Many people bury their life in ther jobs or maybe become radicals like the guy who killed Tiller the baby killer. Many even plunge themselves into this world making it very important to them because they can keep people at a distance, a "safe" distance.

 

Our emotions need companionship to sustain some semblance of normalcy.

And?

Friends and family could most certainly fulfill a person's emotional needs. And a good, reliable fukk buddy can fulfill a person's sexual needs.

A long-term mate in not a necessity for a happy life. For some, it's a nice bonus, but not a necessity.

So what part would you like me to prove?

 

That humans need companionship?

 

Are you really trying to say people do not need other people in their lives?

 

No dodge IWS, but I do sense a newfound hostility from you lately, why not just call me a Holocaust denier again, I am sure you will feel better after that.

 

 

 

 

Okay, in my attempt to once again be the guy reaching out to you guys while your insulting and putting me down as usual I will try to answer the question your not really asking:

 

 

Why are the two of you alone and trying so hard to justify that current existence?

 

 

Because of pain more than likely. You both have admitted to large problems in relationships and now your in that "self-protection" mode where you putting yourself into other things to try and make up for the gap in your lives. I have been there myself, I know exactly how this happens and where the path leads. When my ex-wife took off for her internet boyfriend it crushed me very bad. It was instant nasty where I was even refused to see my own children without a court order just to hurt me. The details are not as important as how it made me feel, and I can tell you I was not very positive about the whole companionship thing while I was actively feeling the pain of rejection and the abuse of trust from her in my life.

 

I was not capable of finding companionship and love again until I let go of that pain, and I carried that pain a long time so I know where your comming from guys.

 

If being alone was natural, nobody would be seeing past things like these to try again guys, this is my point.

 

 

"If at first you don't succeed" and all that stuff.........

PAIN....without love.

PAIN....can't get enough.

PAIN....I like it rough 'cuz I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all.

Three Days Grace. Good tune.

I already stated it. If she is contributing nothing but sex and taking his money to spend on herself, that is pretty whorish. If a woman marries a well off man and stays at home but keeps up the house and does the majority of child rearing, that's not acting the whore.

I understand your nothing or something basic comment but my question was where do you draw the line?

If the woman washed one dish does that transform her from whore to contributer? Your intentionally dodging my point.

It's a far cry for me to prefer that a man pay for our first couple of dates together if he asks me out vs. living with a man long term, expecting him to buy me everything I want, and contribute nothing but sex in return. This comparison is a reach even for you.

No just making a point that you set financial goals for men as part of your condition to be involved with them. This goes to the first question of how in many cases women tend to make financial considerations part of their dating process.

"Your actions define you, my dear."

As do yours, why get angry about anything? I don't.

It's quite the conundrum.

And leads to so many other problems as a domino effect. Women who are no longer looking for love are why single, never married mothers are the largest growing segment of society.

I also don't use "quilt" for "guilt". Who is playing word police now?

 

My initial "would be willing to" reply was perfectly acceptable and conveyed the same meaning. You're just splitting hairs now because you get off on being disagreeable

No, No ,No Ali, nice try but no cigar (or Bill Clinton) for you.

In the same sentence you used two completely different responsibility words for men and women who initiate a date. Men "should" women (you) "would".

Should implies a must proposition, would implies a possible proposition. But you also cleared that up so no big deal.

That's what worked out for our date at the time. If he were able to join me for lobster dinner, I would have been more than happy to pay for that.

 

I can afford things, TJ, and I am actually a very generous person.

And yet in all your years you have never found the chance to take a man to dinner? How about after the first date with a man you liked.....why not then return the favor and take him out instead? I am sure if your sensabilities would have allowed it you would have done it by now.

One thing that is evident is your very outgoing attitude, nothing would stop you from doing what you "wanted" to do.

Besides, what is wrong with me preferring that a man pay for the date if he asks me out? Shouldn't you be applauding me for having some standards and letting him exhibit his intentions for me through his actions rather than just spreading my legs for him just because he showed up at my door?

 

Sh!t, man. There is no pleasing you! If a woman doesn't have standards, she's a whore and if she does have standards, she is also a whore.

Again, I never said that, why do you insist in getting all worked up over things I do not say?

Having standards is very important, I was simply discussing the details with you, if your feeling so insecure about a topic then that mens "you" have an issue on this, not me.

You can't slap someone in the face all the while disclaiming the fact that you are slapping them in the face.

I don't, never have. It is just you like to blow up, so I was trying to protray my intentions of open discussion so you might give it a chance based on it's merrits instead of getting all worked up as usual just because we are discussing women, a topic you tend to try and derail with your nasty ways most of the time.

Then why are you claiming that people who live alone are foolish and unnatural? To deem them as such is to try to force them to conform to a more "natural" state through ridicule and humiliation. Just let it be!

Foolish?????

looks around the thread for the word foolish.............. still looking

Nope, again another time you have tried to inflame a possition based on things I never said. Please stop this trend because it is dishonest for you to act this way Ali.

Conform????

looks around the thread for the word conform.............still looking

Nope, again another time you have tried to inflame a possition based on things I never said. Please stop this trend because it is dishonest for you to act this way Ali.

I don't generally speak in absolute qualifiers, as it leaves no room for exception and also leaves one to:

I don't need a man sitting beside me on the couch complaining that I didn't put enough pickles on his sandwich to make me happy....I can tell you that right now.

That seemed pretty absolute to me and you definately did not leave any room for exception so now your just talking out of your rear.

What do you want in a discussion Ali?

Using your example I can't say men like to have sex with woman because there is the tiny exception of a few men who like other men?.......I'm sorry but I refuse to ignore the norms just to make you happy or to make you feel better about yourself through the "bury your head in the sand" mentality.

Friends and family could most certainly fulfill a person's emotional needs. And a good, reliable fukk buddy can fulfill a person's sexual needs.

 

A long-term mate in not a necessity for a happy life. For some, it's a nice bonus, but not a necessity.

Friends and family cannot replace the affection one needs for emotional stability Ali.

Maybe that is why your so brittle and out of control here when someone says things you don't like. Your so out of balance from forcing yourself to exclude this part of existence from your life that it makes you more volitile when anyone does not think the way you want them to think.

So what part would you like me to prove?

 

That humans need companionship?

 

Are you really trying to say people do not need other people in their lives?

 

No dodge IWS, but I do sense a newfound hostility from you lately, why not just call me a Holocaust denier again, I am sure you will feel better after that.

No hostility. It's just obvious that you made a declaration based on your belief or personal need, and since you believe it and need companionship, then everyone needs it.

No basis, just that if you say it, it must be true and if you repeat it it must be proof. Sorry but your comment set off my BS detector as having no basis, just an opinion that is trying to be passed off as fact.

As for the holocaust thing. First off, I didn't call you a holocaust denyer and secondly, it was a was a joke, but it appears that you still have thin skin and can't take a joke.

Funny how everyone else here can poke fun at themselves and accept a jab now and again from other members.

That must mean that everyone else is abnormal because obviously everything you do is normal.

Again, I never said that, why do you insist in getting all worked up over things I do not say?

hmmmm, I wonder where she gets that from....

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