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Good For New Jersey

By Brady Bonk

Created Dec 17 2007 - 9:41am


There are people in these Untied States who will picket and go to pieces
over a zygote who couldn't care less that there are full grown men and women
scheduled to be pumped full of poison and killed on purpose.

I do not understand these people. I actually believe them to be mentally
ill.

So, here's a sentence I thought I'd never in my life put down on paper:
Bravo to New Jersey for instantly becoming the most enlightened state in the
nation.

With Gov. Corzine's signature this morning, New Jersey has abolished the
death penalty. Bravo to the state for ridding itself of this barbaric,
un-American practice.

That's right. "Un-American."

We are told when we're growing up that we are a noble society forged in
revolution, and that, as such, many good men and women gave their lives for
the ideal of liberty. We are socialized early to the notion that, as
Americans, liberty is such a sacrosanct ideal that we should cherish it more
preciously than life itself. We are, in fact, now told by our own current
president that 3,894 U.S. soldiers have given their lives for the ideal of
liberty in Iraq.

The worst, most horrific punishment a society that claims to so adore
liberty should be able to mete out should be deprivation of liberty. If
liberty truly meant more to us than life itself, then we would consider the
ultimate punishment to be life in prison, not death.

A society that practices capital punishment values life more than liberty,
by definition. In that society, Patrick Henry's dramatic pronouncement is no
more than myth.

Which America do you want to live in?

New Jersey had more practical concerns. A state commission had found that
".the death penalty was a more expensive sentence than life in prison,
hasn't deterred murder and risks killing an innocent person."

There are of course many other objections one can find to state-sanctioned
killing. It is cruel and has the potential to be unusually so-if, for
example, the executioners cannot find a vein, or if the drugs do not have
the expected effect, or if the shiny new electric chair instead makes blood
spurt out of your body or flames shoot out of your head, for instance, all
things which have actually happened during attempted executions. There is no
"humane" way to kill a person. None.

The death penalty is racially biased and therefore continues this country's
long history of injustice toward other people based on race. It creates new
murder victims, the families of the condemned; it does not actually deter
the worst crimes, often committed in the heat of passion; it does not
actually create closure for victims; and it actually weakens the stance of
the state, morally, ethically. Ending the life of someone you've already
convicted and incarcerated does not show toughness on crime. Not really.
Also: Is it not possible that putting someone to death before they have a
chance to feel guilty and tortured and remorseful of their own actions is
actually doing them a favor?

No siree bob. New Jersey is right on this one, and it has just become the
most enlightened state in these Untied States. And which political party do
you think is the one that led them to it? Hmmmmm?



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"Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Good For New Jersey
>
> By Brady Bonk
>
> Created Dec 17 2007 - 9:41am
>
>
> There are people in these Untied States who will picket and go to pieces
> over a zygote who couldn't care less that there are full grown men and

women
> scheduled to be pumped full of poison and killed on purpose.
>
> I do not understand these people. I actually believe them to be mentally
> ill.
>
> So, here's a sentence I thought I'd never in my life put down on paper:
> Bravo to New Jersey for instantly becoming the most enlightened state in

the
> nation.


Nope. New Jersey deserves major kudos for outlawing the barbarism of the
death penalty, but they are merely the latest state to do it (albeit after a
gap of several decades). There are other states which have already
abolished the death penalty and have done so for some time. New Jersey
doesn't go to the head of the lne merely by doing it this week.

Bravo New Jersey. But "most" enlightened state? I don't think so.
 
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47680bb9$0$21510$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> Good For New Jersey
>>
>> By Brady Bonk
>>
>> Created Dec 17 2007 - 9:41am
>>
>>
>> There are people in these Untied States who will picket and go to pieces
>> over a zygote who couldn't care less that there are full grown men and

> women
>> scheduled to be pumped full of poison and killed on purpose.
>>
>> I do not understand these people. I actually believe them to be mentally
>> ill.
>>
>> So, here's a sentence I thought I'd never in my life put down on paper:
>> Bravo to New Jersey for instantly becoming the most enlightened state in

> the
>> nation.

>
> Nope. New Jersey deserves major kudos for outlawing the barbarism of the
> death penalty, but they are merely the latest state to do it (albeit after
> a
> gap of several decades). There are other states which have already
> abolished the death penalty and have done so for some time. New Jersey
> doesn't go to the head of the lne merely by doing it this week.
>
> Bravo New Jersey. But "most" enlightened state? I don't think so.
>

so let me see, if something tragic happend ot your family you would give the
guy life so your asswipe goc can pardon him?
>
 
"Duke Of Earl" <stingray66@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:O9-dnab8UeaggfXanZ2dnUVZ_tOtnZ2d@rcn.net...
> >
> > "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:47680bb9$0$21510$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> >> Good For New Jersey
> >>
> >> By Brady Bonk
> >>
> >> Created Dec 17 2007 - 9:41am
> >>
> >>
> >> There are people in these Untied States who will picket and go to

pieces
> >> over a zygote who couldn't care less that there are full grown men and

> > women
> >> scheduled to be pumped full of poison and killed on purpose.
> >>
> >> I do not understand these people. I actually believe them to be

mentally
> >> ill.
> >>
> >> So, here's a sentence I thought I'd never in my life put down on paper:
> >> Bravo to New Jersey for instantly becoming the most enlightened state

in
> > the
> >> nation.

> >
> > Nope. New Jersey deserves major kudos for outlawing the barbarism of

the
> > death penalty, but they are merely the latest state to do it (albeit

after
> > a
> > gap of several decades). There are other states which have already
> > abolished the death penalty and have done so for some time. New Jersey
> > doesn't go to the head of the lne merely by doing it this week.
> >
> > Bravo New Jersey. But "most" enlightened state? I don't think so.
> >

> so let me see, if something tragic happend ot your family you would give

the
> guy life so your asswipe goc can pardon him?


So let me see, you thnik our system of justice is based on the concept of
revenge?
 
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:01:42 -0500, "Duke Of Earl"
<stingray66@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote in message
>news:O9-dnab8UeaggfXanZ2dnUVZ_tOtnZ2d@rcn.net...
>>
>> "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47680bb9$0$21510$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>> Good For New Jersey
>>>
>>> By Brady Bonk
>>>
>>> Created Dec 17 2007 - 9:41am
>>>
>>>
>>> There are people in these Untied States who will picket and go to pieces
>>> over a zygote who couldn't care less that there are full grown men and

>> women
>>> scheduled to be pumped full of poison and killed on purpose.
>>>
>>> I do not understand these people. I actually believe them to be mentally
>>> ill.
>>>
>>> So, here's a sentence I thought I'd never in my life put down on paper:
>>> Bravo to New Jersey for instantly becoming the most enlightened state in

>> the
>>> nation.

>>
>> Nope. New Jersey deserves major kudos for outlawing the barbarism of the
>> death penalty, but they are merely the latest state to do it (albeit after
>> a
>> gap of several decades). There are other states which have already
>> abolished the death penalty and have done so for some time. New Jersey
>> doesn't go to the head of the lne merely by doing it this week.
>>
>> Bravo New Jersey. But "most" enlightened state? I don't think so.
>>

>so let me see, if something tragic happend ot your family you would give the
>guy life so your asswipe goc can pardon him?


Life w/o parole works for me. BTW - what's an asswipe goc? Not only is
the death penalty barbaric but it's now economically unfeasible. It
cost about a million bucks more to use the death penalty than for life
behind bars. Plus the sentence is not applied equally.

WB Yeats
 
>>so let me see, if something tragic happend ot your family you would give
>>the
>>guy life so your asswipe goc can pardon him?

>
> ... Plus the sentence is not applied equally.


Or accurately. The tragedy could be your family loses an innocent member to
the State.

Major props to NJ for coming about their decision, instead of hiding it in
paperwork like other states did.

And I suspect that, statistically, the murder rate in NJ will decline.

What you resist persists!
 
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