HAMAS Legalizes the Crucifixion of Christians and other Enemies and Israel to invade

Christians better wake-up as Hamas is bringing back the "crucifixion" of Christians. Hamas want to kill Christians by nailing them to crosses and call Jesus Christ the "slave of Allah" Hamas and other Islamists have Christians on the "hit" list.

 

 

Both Iran and its Hamas proxy in Gaza have been busy this Christmas week showing Christendom just what they think of it. But no one seemed to have noticed. On Tuesday Hamas legislators marked the Christmas season by passing a Sharia criminal code for the Palestinian Authority. Among other things, the code legalizes crucifixion.

 

Hamas's endorsement of nailing enemies of Islam to crosses came at the same time as it renewed its jihad. Here too, Hamas wanted to make sure that Christians didn't neglected as its fighters launched missiles at Jewish day care centers and schools. So on Wednesday Hamas lobbed a mortar at Erez crossing point into Israel just as a group of Gazan Christians were standing on line waiting to travel to Bethlehem for Christmas.

 

While Hamas joyously renewed its jihad against Jews and Christians, its overlords in Iran also basked in jihadist triumphalism. The source of Iran's sense of ascendancy this week was Britain's state-owned Channel 4 network's decision to request that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad give a special Christmas Day address to the British people. Ahmadinejad's speech was supposed to be a response to Queen Elizabeth II's traditional Christmas Day address to her subjects. That is, Channel 4 presented his message as a reasonable counterpoint to the Christmas greetings of the head of the Church of England.

 

Channel 4 justified its move by proclaiming that it was providing a public service. As a Channel 4 spokesman told the Jerusalem Post, "We're offering [Ahmadinejad] the chance to speak for himself, which people in the West don't often get the chance to see."

 

And

 

Israel has bombed supply tunnels in the southern Gaza Strip in a second day of intense air raids aimed at forcing Hamas militants to halt rocket fire.

 

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni says the operation has been a success so far and the aim is to "change realities on the ground" in Gaza.

 

Israel has threatened to launch a ground assault and is now calling up 6,500 army reservists.

 

Palestinians say at least 280 people have died in the air raids.

 

A major tunnel bringing fuel into Gaza from Egypt was among three destroyed, Palestinians say. But Israel says its jets bombed more than 40 tunnels.

 

Israel accuses Palestinian militants of using the tunnels to smuggle weapons into Gaza.

 

As jets pounded the southern Gaza Strip hundreds of Palestinians stormed over a fence on the Gaza-Egypt border, but Egyptian security forces fired shots to prevent them entering.

 

An Egyptian security official was shot dead and another wounded in the turmoil which followed.

 

Shit is most certainly hitting the fan. What do you guys think of this?

yep its sad and quite CHILDISH on BOTH parts

 

while we ask why is this happening, why are they so big headed and one tracked, you can't help but feel a little resigned to the fact that this is one conflict which won't go away in the next 50-100 years

 

because really, even after peace efforts and world condemnation, there is still alot of blood shed and stupid acts of provocation like the crusifixtion of christians by hamas or the bombing of innocent people by the israelis

 

the only thing that i feel that can resolve this isnt by peace talks, its by letting them sook it out for abit longer til they realise that its pointless, yes i realise what this means-more deaths, but what more can be done when there are 2 hot-headed/pig headed nations who can't see past their own justifications and prejudices? they need to come to their OWN realisation that this is pointless, they need to hurt each other and themselves so much that until both sides can see the pain caused and perhaps change. There needs to be something drastic to change things, letting this crawl on slowly does noone any good, and it needs to happen to BOTH sides for them to see change.

 

the other part, other than their acts of attrocities catching up to either of them, is perhaps waiting a few decades, again by letting them sulk it out for abit longer, we need a generational change where new governments/spokesman are brought up to bring back peace talks, while we still have residues of prior hatreds seeped into the currrent governments, there is NO chance of peace

 

while i know that noone would condone this post, seeing as lives are being taken by the minute as the conflict continues, i cant help but think that this isnt something that "talking" will get rid of, to me theyre like 2 selfish children who need to fight it out til theyre tired of fighting and have MATURED to stop fighting

isreal has been constantly under attack since they formed as an official country. I feel for them, its been non stop war with the muslim countries around them, and its more a religious war than anything else since the Jews are Gods people and the land they are on is consuidered holy by both Christains and muslims. So mark my words, the fighting will never stop there.

only reason US and Europe were so eager to even form a Jewish state was for the US to have a proxy/ally in that Middle Eastern zone and for the Europeans because they hate Jews and wanted them out.

 

but yeah. no one ever mentions that Hamas also provides humanitarian aid to the imprisoned Palestinians

 

as far as terrorism goes its never a lawful or ethical thing to do but you can kinda get their point as the Israelis are imprisoning unlawfully over a million Palestinians in a land they themselves had lived on before Israel and Western countries decided to displace them and make up a whole new country where innocent people had lived and now had to go...bullshit.

I realize the Jews originally lived there but come on...the Palestinians didnt drive them out in bible times and they were just living there

I'm ready for Isreal to kick some ass

only reason US and Europe were so eager to even form a Jewish state was for the US to have a proxy/ally in that Middle Eastern zone and for the Europeans because they hate Jews and wanted them out.

 

but yeah. no one ever mentions that Hamas also provides humanitarian aid to the imprisoned Palestinians

 

as far as terrorism goes its never a lawful or ethical thing to do but you can kinda get their point as the Israelis are imprisoning unlawfully over a million Palestinians in a land they themselves had lived on before Israel and Western countries decided to displace them and make up a whole new country where innocent people had lived and now had to go...bullshit.

I realize the Jews originally lived there but come on...the Palestinians didnt drive them out in bible times and they were just living there

 

I agree with you completely fribs.

Yes i can see why others may view hamas as being less than pallitable but we must remember that they were voted in and hold a large seat majority so it just annoys me when people attempt to claim that they are a terrorist organisation (not that anyone was doing so here, im talking about people i come across in debates). But hamas have done SO much good in Gaza and the west bank,the

reconstruction of infrastructure(schools and hospitals) and have helped Palestinians soo much. this cannot be ignored.

as for Isreal, hamas stopped the informal ceasefire as nothing but basic humanitarian aid had been allowed in Gaza, YES HAMAS shuldnt have fired first but isreal wasnt allowing in more than basic humantarian that hamas was providing some of which with the help of the UN. Isreal must stop its actions if she really wishes to be accepted into the Middle east, these actions continue to make Isreal a segregated pariah state especially with Syria and Iran sidin with Hamas.

 

unfortunatly, to paraphrase the man from the news, the only was Isreal would stop is if Rice (america) called for a seize fire..hahaha

Hamas fighters hiding between civilians can also not be ignored...

 

Yeah... they have done so much in Gaza... by leading to the destruction of Gaza.

 

 

Like Stllmn8j said.. Let israel kick hamas ass for once and for all.......

 

i wasnt cannonising them, saints neither sides are. i was stating that i feel they constantly get unfairly slated in the media and are the subject of much fabrication.

for the sake of what is left of middle eastern relations lets hope that Isreal dont kick hamas' arses as it will further ostraise them as they are already are a pariah nation. lastly, repeating myself, we cannt ignore that yes their is a humanitarian crisis there as isreal hasnt stopped the blockade meaning that only basic supplies are getting through no matter what that lebenowicz (i that thats her name) said.

 

and ace, where did u get ur news article from, out of interest.

Hamas fighters hiding between civilians can also not be ignored...

 

Yeah... they have done so much in Gaza... by leading to the destruction of Gaza.

 

 

Like Stllmn8j said.. Let israel kick hamas ass for once and for all.......

 

agreed, its easy to fire rockets between civilians and then blame isreal for killing them. Isreal is simply defending their land. And sygy this land dispute goes on longer than US wanting allies in the middle east. During the time of Jesus they stayed there, thats before muslims did. i think. -.-

I found the articles on BBC I think. I'll check later and post the links here.

Step 1: Fire rockets into Israel

Step 2: Try not to die in the retaliation airstrikes

Step 3: ??? (Die anyways.)

Step 4: Virgins!

 

Iran and Hamas have pretty much declared jihad. A jihad is a holy war...which means anyone killed fighting the enemy INSTANTLY goes to heaven. Its a free pass! So now, we've got Hamas willing to sacrifice all the civilians who look to them for safety (they are the ruling party in thier government) just so they can die and go to heaven.

I understand that they believe this is their God's will, but if you have to kill people to please your God than frankly he isn't worth being called God.

Step 5: PROFIT!

a jihad is no easy feat, its religion, religion is bigger than any object we can carry, its their way of living, and especially this strip, the gaza strip, is of MAMMOTH significance, thats why theres fighting, thats why theres ALWAYS been fighting, thats why there will be always still be fighting

 

of course, the Kuran has been interpreted wrong for these idiot's own doing, and like i said, religion is mammoth, if God wants it, who are they to say no? they cant just change religion, its how they were raised, theyre raised strictly, they know NO other way but their own

 

to be honest, like i said, there is NO way we can reason with them, these are 2 selfish children that need to slug it out til theyre tired and had enough, this goes back further like Gradon said, and what theyre fighting for it something greater than a piece of land, they fight for their gods and they fight for their way of life, is it any different to the majority of American/Australian/British forces fighting over in Iraq?

first of all I think both sides are to blame in this as well as the US..originally i think the creation of israel in palestinian land was a huge mistake and the UN and UK really messed up in maintaining peace there and as we all know so many wars commenced. I do not think the problem can be solved by either destroying Israel or destroying the Palestinians there is way more innocent on both sides then there are guilty and coexistence is the only way for peace and I think for this a palestinian state must also be created alongside and Isreali one

 

for Hamas and PLO it is really stupid to keep fighting back the Isrealis. History shows that still acting against violence with non-violence is so effective in politics, examples are in our face Gandhi, Mandela, Marthin Luther King. If they used peaceful ways to try to solve their problem it wud be so much more effective

 

Isreal has also killed many civilians in its war to fight off Hamas. I think it would be more effective if it used Special Ops units and cooperated more with the Palestinian government. All the pictures of Israeli acts are worsening their reputation in the world and honestly if Israel is trying to justify their acts because they were put through the Holocaust then thats almost as evil as what Hitler did.

 

Finally the US has got to support its unconditional support for Israel if it has to solve the problem. It doesn't have to acknowledge that Palestine is right but because of the Isreal Lobby and the Neocons every view of Isreal is seen the right one and no matter what the US backs Israel. This is the cause for many of the insurgencies and terror acts that has occured against America and if America solved this problem between Isreal and Palestine peacefully I think they will restore a lot of their reputation and reduce terrorism in the world. But I don't think this will happen honestly because there is way too much unconditional backing of Israel in America and the US Government

I think Obama will try to lean off the Israeli support a bit.

 

I support Israel in this though. An eye for an eye is what I believe in, and they are trying to eliminate the problem. Go for it. I'd rather them eradicate the entire problem through absolute excessive insane force than have it pop back up again.

 

For the civilians and children - get out while you can.

^ i hafta agree

 

as much as violence generally isnt the answer, and especially with news filtering through that a stray israeli missile hit a UN school, i think for once we need to see this through to an ending, at least at an attempt to get rid of all the problems rather than letting things dawdle

agreed, its easy to fire rockets between civilians and then blame isreal for killing them. Isreal is simply defending their land. And sygy this land dispute goes on longer than US wanting allies in the middle east. During the time of Jesus they stayed there, thats before muslims did. i think. -.-

 

the palestinians are an ethnic group centralised to that area whoes grandparents and great grand parents were born and raised there. There is nothing sadder when watching the media coverage than seeing a young palestinian boy throwing a rock at an isreali tank because you know that is is going to be the next generation who are going to feel angry and disenchanted with the situation.

 

yes but this land dispute really kicked off when Palestine was a bristish mandate and the british and american imperalist powers decided to create isreal after guilt for the holocaust.

Hamas had the right to end the cease fire (eventhough there is evidence that isreal had broken it before had..but alas our media owned by murdoch as failed to report on this) as little aid was entering Gaza as the intial idea for the cease fire was that more aid was going to enter gaza..lo and behold it did not.

 

The level of force used by isreal is unjustifiable. can i just point out that we complained about the Russians using unnessecary force agaisnt Georgia yet we are not complaining when Isreal uses a ridiculous amount of force on Gaza. it is sickening that Isreal bombed a UN school killing children and cluster bombing? claiming that they have proof that Hamas leaders were hiding there, if they were or if they were not. Why bomb a place that is part of an independent neutral institution?

 

over the last decades the palestinians have seen themselves being pushed out of their homeland and penned off by blockades, do they not have the right to defend what was previously their land? In all in all, this situation has just shown the failure of international relations.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians

 

i know that most people think that the eye for an eye mentality is just a description of human nature, and too a certian extent that is correct. however, in the end i personally think that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind and it unfortunate that problems cant be worked thorugh diplomatically

If the eye for an eye solution was the right one then this problem would have been solved ages ago. I don't really understand how Israel plans to end Hamas with this invasion. They just agreed to a conditional ceasefire I think. Thus this invasion was kind of pointless and just killed a lot of civilians for no reason. I think 1)The hypocricy of the west and the US is outrageous and they have to cut their 1 sided bias for Israel to solve the problem 2) that a 2 state solution is the right one

fff so much ignorance in this thread...look at the damn bigger picture

its in palestine, not israel that millions are trapped in refugee camps suffering. its israel, not palestine that planned ending the truce with airstrikes six months ago

 

fortunately more and more people worldwide are realizing that israel is basically a terrorist state executing massive human rights violations. the legality of the israeli state is an issue of dispute, or should be, if international mainstream politics had any sense in them. and then everybody's surprised that palestinians sometimes resort to home made missile strikes or other forms of terrorism...

when you entrap 1,5 million people without a lot of what we westerners call basic needs, shit is going to happen...

 

and ironically the Israelis have locked themselves in the biggest de facto ghetto in history

im not realising that israel is a terrorist state....

 

where did that even come from? if you had said HAMAS(while recognised as government in charge) is seen as a terrorist organisation, then thats probably more the misconception people get, not to mention the FBI have named them as 1 of a few cells running that "threaten america"

 

the problem is that its "he said, she said", on one hand HAMAS claims Israel broke the treaty while Israel is saying HAMAS broke it, go figure huh? it personal bias from here, but the fact is BOTH sides are to blame, rocket attacks(home made or not) by hamas, the mobilisation of the israeli army into the borders, theyre both wrong, theyve BOTH hit civillian targets

 

we can think that just because Israel mobilise a massive army doesnt mean theyre the bullies in the conflict, its like the small bratty kid in the paddock who thinks he can throw rocks at the biggest kid in the playground thinking he'll get away with it then cries when he gets pounded

fff so much ignorance in this thread...look at the damn bigger picture

its in palestine, not israel that millions are trapped in refugee camps suffering. its israel, not palestine that planned ending the truce with airstrikes six months ago

 

fortunately more and more people worldwide are realizing that israel is basically a terrorist state executing massive human rights violations. the legality of the israeli state is an issue of dispute, or should be, if international mainstream politics had any sense in them. and then everybody's surprised that palestinians sometimes resort to home made missile strikes or other forms of terrorism...

when you entrap 1,5 million people without a lot of what we westerners call basic needs, shit is going to happen...

 

and ironically the Israelis have locked themselves in the biggest de facto ghetto in history

 

hey, i never realised that...hmmm.

think about it, they've put walls everywhere...

trying to garrison themselves away from all their enemies who just about surround them.

 

 

this wouldn't be such a problem and middle eastern people wouldn't be so furious if the western powers hadn't decided to make up a new state (Israel) right on top of an already existing one, that being Palestine.

if the now Israeli people had just migrated there and blended in with everyone else peacefully this probably wouldn't be such a problem.

 

people here who think I'm being full of bullshit should look into their own mind and see what their own agenda is. I'm not rooting for Hamas here in conflict, I really wish everyone would just stop this nonsense and let people move back to their houses (which were destroyed) and that everyone could live in peace.

 

cause I realize that of course both sides have some fault, but not the part of the conflict that is the innocent civilans being slaughtered, the hundreds of Palestinians and the four Israelis. what would make sense would be for both sides to let go of weapons and start negotiating. but once war starts, both sides are afraid if they lay down weapons the other one will slaughter them. pretty rightfully so even.

 

Israel in this shares a problem with the US. massive state of the art military, and for what? defense? those two countries share the issue that if they were simply to stand down and rid themselves of armies people in other countries wouldn't hate them so much, and there wouldn't be this terrorism.

the marked in bold.. is bullshit

 

I don't get it why Palestinians are making such a big problem out of it... when they have zillion of muslims states they could live in...

qft that whole region all the neighboring countries even in noth africa are all occupied by muslims. And its not like america took random muslim land and said wow lets make them angry and call this isreal and put jews there, That land has been home to the jews for thousands of years

It is not bullshit and wow you two are so ignorant of this thing...

gradon, you're in South Africa...and even you don't get this. Palestinians are having to huddle up together, 1.5 million of them in a tiny zone with no basic needs...definitely comparable to certain aspects of apartheid.

a lot of people are also calling this genocide...Israel is also using chemical weapons on Palestine civilians...

 

and the point that you two think you're making is one of the dumbest I've ever seen. Tomer, you wouldn't like it if someone decided Belgium no longer was considered a country, and hundreds of thousands or millions of people were suddenly to move in, and Belgian houses demolished and people killed so that new ones could be built...

you would be angry if you were robbed of basic needs and if other people said "well you can just move to some random place where other people of similar ethnicity or religion live". it's not about that. its about being allowed to live where you want to live.

 

and if we go into that, under these conditions Palestinians don't want to live there. they dont want to be bombed just for living there. they would like to flee now. but I can't overstate this, THEY CAN'T. Israel has them surrounded, and doesn't even allow transport of basic goods like food or electricity into the area...They can't even flee.

and that's not even the point. they shouldn't have to flee. their children shouldn't have to die playing outside in the streets. the people lying in hospital beds sick or injured shouldn't have to die because the hospitals dont get vital electricity to keep them alive and well...

 

seriously, how can you support mass murder of people that have done nothing?

 

 

and you know why people will support hamas? because they have nothing else. when everything fails, they cannot turn to media for info because there is no electricity or barely any, so there's no tv or radio, no internet. no newspapers being delivered because the paper people would be scared to shit to be bombed when outside having a stroll.

when the community is faultering because of the airstrikes and ground warfare, there is nothing to count on but hamas for them. and when are people going to realize that people get angry when their children and families are being murdered?

 

the US used the same thing to rationalize invasions of afghanistan and iraq...

all is can say is that isreal is simply defending their people, they have a strict policy to hit hard whenever they are attacked. I had a math teacher who visited isreal regularly and he says that whenever a missile hits them they respond immediately with an counter attack. And Most of the muslim countries around isreal have publicly announced that they want to kill every Isrealite and remove isreal from the earth. The iranian president recently said that they will remove isreal from the face of the earth. But lets just blame isreal... In a war civilians will die, thats an unfortunate fact.

In the end, this is a conflict that has deeply entrenched roots for both sides. These wars won't end until one of them has wiped the other off the face of the Earth.

Sadly, it is the only possible way the situation will ever reach a point of peace. No number of protests or UN resolutions will accomplish it.

I'm not advocating war, I'm simply commenting on the uselessness of asking these two groups to 'back down' and 'get along'. It is all or nothing with these people, there are no cease fires and peace treaties in their world.