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Clinton targets pledged delegates

By: Roger Simon
Feb 19, 2008 05:48 AM EST


Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign intends to go after delegates
whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she
needs them to win the nomination.

This strategy was confirmed to me by a high-ranking Clinton official
on Monday. And I am not talking about superdelegates, those 795 party
big shots who are not pledged to anybody. I am talking about getting
pledged delegates to switch sides.

What? Isn't that impossible? A pledged delegate is pledged to a
particular candidate and cannot switch, right?

Wrong.

Pledged delegates are not really pledged at all, not even on the first
ballot. This has been an open secret in the party for years, but it
has never really mattered because there has almost always been a clear
victor by the time the convention convened.

But not this time. This time, one candidate may enter the convention
leading by just a few pledged delegates, and those delegates may find
themselves being promised the sun, moon and stars to switch sides.

"I swear it is not happening now, but as we get closer to the
convention, if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after
everybody's delegates," a senior Clinton official told me Monday
afternoon. "All the rules will be going out the window."

Rules of good behavior, maybe. But, in fact, the actual rules of the
party allow for such switching. The notion that pledged delegates must
vote for a certain candidate is, according to the Democratic National
Committee, a "myth."


"Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to
at the convention or on the first ballot," a recent DNC memo states.
"A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for
a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is
assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they
are publicly pledged to, it is not required."

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer told me Monday he assumes the Obama
campaign is going after delegates pledged to Clinton, though a senior
Obama aide told me he knew of no such strategy.

But one neutral Democratic operative said to me: "If you are Hillary
Clinton, you know you can't get the nomination just with
superdelegates without splitting the party. You have to go after the
pledged delegates."

Winning with superdelegates is potentially party-splitting because it
could mean throwing out the choice of the elected delegates and
substituting the choice of 795 party big shots.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has warned against it. "I think there is a
concern when the public speaks and there is a counter-decision made to
that," she said. "It would be a problem for the party if the verdict
would be something different than the public has decided."

Donna Brazile, who was Al Gore's campaign manager in 2000 and is a
member of the DNC, said recently: "If 795 of my colleagues decide this
election, I will quit [the DNC]. I feel very strongly about this."

On Sunday, Doug Wilder, the mayor of Richmond and a former governor of
Virginia, went even further, predicting riots in the streets if the
Clinton campaign were to overturn an Obama lead through the use of
superdelegates.

"There will be chaos at the convention," Wilder told Bob Schieffer on
"Face the Nation."

"If you think 1968 was bad, you watch: In 2008, it will be worse."

But would getting pledged delegates to switch sides be any less
controversial? Perhaps not. They were chosen by voters, but they were
chosen to back a particular candidate.

And it is unlikely that many people, including the pledged delegates
themselves, know that pledged delegates actually can switch.

Nor would it be easy to get them to switch.

If, however, after the April 22 Pennsylvania primary the pledged
delegate count looks very close, the Clinton official said, "[both]
sides will start working all delegates."

In other words, Clinton and Obama will have to go after every delegate
who is alive and breathing.
 
The game is to win, what don't you understand about that simple concept?

"AirRaid" <AirRaidJet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fe1ae1d5-9709-4837-9ab9-5da1b9918dbb@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html
>
>
> Clinton targets pledged delegates
>
> By: Roger Simon
> Feb 19, 2008 05:48 AM EST
>
>
> Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign intends to go after delegates
> whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she
> needs them to win the nomination.
>
> This strategy was confirmed to me by a high-ranking Clinton official
> on Monday. And I am not talking about superdelegates, those 795 party
> big shots who are not pledged to anybody. I am talking about getting
> pledged delegates to switch sides.
>
> What? Isn't that impossible? A pledged delegate is pledged to a
> particular candidate and cannot switch, right?
>
> Wrong.
>
> Pledged delegates are not really pledged at all, not even on the first
> ballot. This has been an open secret in the party for years, but it
> has never really mattered because there has almost always been a clear
> victor by the time the convention convened.
>
> But not this time. This time, one candidate may enter the convention
> leading by just a few pledged delegates, and those delegates may find
> themselves being promised the sun, moon and stars to switch sides.
>
> "I swear it is not happening now, but as we get closer to the
> convention, if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after
> everybody's delegates," a senior Clinton official told me Monday
> afternoon. "All the rules will be going out the window."
>
> Rules of good behavior, maybe. But, in fact, the actual rules of the
> party allow for such switching. The notion that pledged delegates must
> vote for a certain candidate is, according to the Democratic National
> Committee, a "myth."
>
>
> "Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to
> at the convention or on the first ballot," a recent DNC memo states.
> "A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for
> a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is
> assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they
> are publicly pledged to, it is not required."
>
> Clinton spokesman Phil Singer told me Monday he assumes the Obama
> campaign is going after delegates pledged to Clinton, though a senior
> Obama aide told me he knew of no such strategy.
>
> But one neutral Democratic operative said to me: "If you are Hillary
> Clinton, you know you can't get the nomination just with
> superdelegates without splitting the party. You have to go after the
> pledged delegates."
>
> Winning with superdelegates is potentially party-splitting because it
> could mean throwing out the choice of the elected delegates and
> substituting the choice of 795 party big shots.
>
> House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has warned against it. "I think there is a
> concern when the public speaks and there is a counter-decision made to
> that," she said. "It would be a problem for the party if the verdict
> would be something different than the public has decided."
>
> Donna Brazile, who was Al Gore's campaign manager in 2000 and is a
> member of the DNC, said recently: "If 795 of my colleagues decide this
> election, I will quit [the DNC]. I feel very strongly about this."
>
> On Sunday, Doug Wilder, the mayor of Richmond and a former governor of
> Virginia, went even further, predicting riots in the streets if the
> Clinton campaign were to overturn an Obama lead through the use of
> superdelegates.
>
> "There will be chaos at the convention," Wilder told Bob Schieffer on
> "Face the Nation."
>
> "If you think 1968 was bad, you watch: In 2008, it will be worse."
>
> But would getting pledged delegates to switch sides be any less
> controversial? Perhaps not. They were chosen by voters, but they were
> chosen to back a particular candidate.
>
> And it is unlikely that many people, including the pledged delegates
> themselves, know that pledged delegates actually can switch.
>
> Nor would it be easy to get them to switch.
>
> If, however, after the April 22 Pennsylvania primary the pledged
> delegate count looks very close, the Clinton official said, "[both]
> sides will start working all delegates."
>
> In other words, Clinton and Obama will have to go after every delegate
> who is alive and breathing.
 
On Feb 19, 2:18 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:


> Get over it.. Obama is not just under-qualified to be prez...
> He's woefully under-qualified.
>
> (being an alleged plaigarist, recipient of free land from a convicted
> criminal, and posing in front of a Che' poster doesn't help either)


None of those things ever happened.

Lobster
 
In article
<3032d74a-f9e2-498b-979c-2748c04e4882@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
lorad474@cs.com wrote:

>Get over it.. Obama is not just under-qualified to be prez...
>He's woefully under-qualified.


Well a lot of people think he's more qualified for the job than GWB was in
2000; he's at the very least more suitable since he can make a coherent
speech.

>(being an alleged plaigarist, recipient of free land from a convicted
>criminal, and posing in front of a Che' poster doesn't help either)


Ultimately as insignificant as being AWOL from a privileged gig in the
National Guard, ticketed for DUI, guilty of insider stock trading, a
chronic and dismal failure in the business world.
 
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 19, 3:34 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> The game is to win, what don't you understand about that simple concept?


Simple concept? This is not a game, you dumbass. How an election is
won or lost effects what comes after - the new president's relations
with Congress and the international community, his/her popularity
among the citizenry. It did not help GW Bush that he had to get the
Supreme Court to hand him the presidency. This is, or should be, about
doing what's right, not about winning at all costs, including
subverting the will of the voters.

You can say that until you are blue in the face, but that is what it is.
Whether you are running for the nomination of your party, or you are running
to be the next President, the oject of this "game" is to "win". Now, the
ramification of who wins is very important, but that is an entirely
different issue.
 
<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 19, 9:10 am, AirRaid <AirRaid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html
>
> Clinton targets pledged delegates
>
> By: Roger Simon
> Feb 19, 2008 05:48 AM EST
>
> Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign intends to go after delegates
> whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she
> needs them to win the nomination.


Get over it.. Obama is not just under-qualified to be prez...
He's woefully under-qualified.

That may be so, but from every indication, he has a good shot of becoming
the President....
 
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 3:42 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a1bd4b71-3935-4429-85cc-4780bd29e665@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 19, 3:34 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > The game is to win, what don't you understand about that simple concept?

>
> Simple concept? This is not a game, you dumbass. How an election is
> won or lost effects what comes after - the new president's relations
> with Congress and the international community, his/her popularity
> among the citizenry. It did not help GW Bush that he had to get the
> Supreme Court to hand him the presidency. This is, or should be, about
> doing what's right, not about winning at all costs, including
> subverting the will of the voters.
>
> You can say that until you are blue in the face, but that is what it is.
> Whether you are running for the nomination of your party, or you are
> running
> to be the next President, the oject of this "game" is to "win". Now, the
> ramification of who wins is very important, but that is an entirely
> different issue.


You don't really add much by simply repeating what you said in your
original post.

I felt the need to repeat it, because it seemed to me, the response missed
the entire point of my remarks.
 
On Feb 19, 3:18 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> On Feb 19, 9:10 am, AirRaid <AirRaid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html

>
> > Clintontargets pledged delegates

>
> > By: Roger Simon
> > Feb 19, 2008 05:48 AM EST

>
> > HillaryClinton'spresidential campaign intends to go after delegates
> > whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she
> > needs them to win the nomination.

>
> Get over it.. Obama is not just under-qualified to be prez...
> He's woefully under-qualified.
>
> (being an alleged plaigarist, recipient of free land from a convicted
> criminal, and posing in front of a Che' poster doesn't help either)


So you think that lying ****, hillary is qualified to be president ?

LOL.
 
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:12:25 -0800 (PST), "John B."
<johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 20, 3:42
 
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:42:12 -0800 (PST), AirRaid
<AirRaidJet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 19, 3:18 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
>> On Feb 19, 9:10 am, AirRaid <AirRaid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html

>>
>> > Clintontargets pledged delegates

>>
>> > By: Roger Simon
>> > Feb 19, 2008 05:48 AM EST

>>
>> > HillaryClinton'spresidential campaign intends to go after delegates
>> > whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she
>> > needs them to win the nomination.

>>
>> Get over it.. Obama is not just under-qualified to be prez...
>> He's woefully under-qualified.
>>
>> (being an alleged plaigarist, recipient of free land from a convicted
>> criminal, and posing in front of a Che' poster doesn't help either)

>
>So you think that lying ****, hillary is qualified to be president ?


Considering you think a lying, coke-addled, brain-dead,
barely conversant in English, drunk has been your
president-------yep.
 
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