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Clinton, Obama Spar on Health Care, War

Friday, February 01, 2008

LOS ANGELES - Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton sparred,

for the most part cordially, over immigration, health care and the war in

Iraq in their first one-on-one debate on Thursday as they faced high-stakes

Super Tuesday contests that could go a long way toward determining the

party's presidential nominee.

Clinton emphasized that the nation needed a president ready to go to work on

"Day One." Obama responded: "Part of the argument that I'm making in this

campaign is that it is important to be right on Day One."

Five days before Super Tuesday, the two alternated between civility and

pointed swipes, underscoring the importance of the upcoming contests. The

debate came as Obama's campaign reported raising a staggering $32 million in

January, cash aplenty to advertise all through the nearly two dozen upcoming

races from coast to coast _ and contests beyond.

Clinton's campaign reported raising $26.8 million from October through

December, the most recent period she reported.

Clinton defended the increasingly high-profile role of her husband, former

President Clinton, in her campaign and his recent sharp criticism of Obama.

"At the end of the day, it's my name that is on the ballot."

Both were asked about the possibility of a "dream ticket" of Clinton-Obama _

or Obama-Clinton.

"Obviously there's a big difference between those two," Obama said. "I

respect Senator Clinton, I think her service to this country is

extraordinary." But he said, "We've got a lot more road to travel" before

such a decision.

Clinton agreed it was too early to discuss running mates.

Both predicted that one of them would be the next president in a

history-making inaugural. Obama would be the first black president, Clinton

the first female president.

Clinton said the Republicans are "more of the same" and, gesturing toward

Obama, she said, "We will change our country."

Making amends for his apparent snub of her at Monday's State of the Union

Address, Obama assisted Clinton by pulling back her chair as the debate _

televised on CNN _ began and ended. They then embraced.

But it wasn't all sweetness and light.

One of their most pointed exchanges came on the question of whether illegal

immigrants should be able to obtain driver's licenses. Obama supports doing

so; Clinton initially supported it and now opposes it.

"Senator Clinton gave a number of different answers over the course of six

weeks on this," Obama said, turning to Clinton. "Initially, you said you

were for it, then you said you were against it." He said he was raising her

wavering to underscore that it is "a difficult political issue."

Clinton called the controversy "a diversion" from efforts to come up with

comprehensive immigration reform. "I co-sponsored immigration reform in 2004

before Barack came to the Senate," she said.

Obama argued for his candidacy, saying, "I respect Senator Clinton's record.

I think it's a terrific record. But I also believe that the skills that I

have are the ones that are needed right now to move the country forward,

otherwise I wouldn't be running for president."

They also clashed on Iraq.

Clinton suggested only she had "the necessary credentials and gravitas" to

lead the country in withdrawing from Iraq without endangering U.S. forces or

further destabilizing the region. She said it was crucial to bring Syria and

Iran to the diplomatic table.

Obama shot back, "Senator Clinton mentioned the issue of gravitas and

judgment. I think it is much easier for us to have the argument when we have

a nominee who says `I always thought this was a bad idea. This was a bad

strategy.' It was not just a problem of execution."

Clinton voted in October 2002 to authorize President Bush to use force in

Iraq, while Obama opposed such authority in a speech he gave in 2002 as a

member of the Illinois state Senate.

The two also reached out quickly to backers of former rival John Edwards,

who bowed out of the race Wednesday without endorsing either one. Both

praised his efforts in their opening statements.

Obama called Edwards "a voice for this party and this country for many years

to come." Clinton saluted both Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, as setting

"their personal example of courage and leadership" in their advocacy for the

poor.

Asked whether it was good for the country to have another Clinton in the

White House, further extending Bush and Clinton family control over

government, Clinton drew applause in the Kodak Theatre _ home of the Academy

Awards _ when she replied, "It did take a Clinton to clean after the first

Bush and I think it might take another one to clean up after the second

Bush."

The nation's weakening economy was a prime topic, and both candidates said

they preferred Democratic-proposed stimulus plans that would give more tax

relief to low- and middle-income workers than would Republican proposals.

Obama focused on Republican front-runner John McCain, praising McCain's two

votes against Bush's first-term tax cuts and questioning his support now for

extending them. "Somewhere along the line, the Straight Talk Express lost

some wheels," the Illinois senator said, referring to the name of McCain's

campaign bus.

Both Obama and Clinton nodded in agreement as they compared Democratic

economic solutions to those put forward by the GOP.

Befitting a Hollywood audience, among the celebrities in the theater were

Diane Keaton, Jason Alexander, Pierce Brosnan, Rob Reiner, Stevie Wonder,

Kate Capshaw, Steven Spielberg, Leonardo DiCaprio, Bradley Whitford and Gary

Shandling.

Both candidates acknowledged policy differences but also sought to ratchet

back what had become increasingly personal attacks and the animosity of

their last debate before the Jan. 26 South Carolina primary, which Obama won

by a margin of 2-to-1.

Obama appears to have most of the momentum as of now, including high-profile

endorsements and impressive fundraising. But Clinton has considerable

institutional strength and is still widely favored to do better overall than

Obama on Super Tuesday.

"I was friends with Hillary Clinton before we started this campaign. I will

be friends with Hillary Clinton after this campaign is over," Obama said .

"We're having a wonderful time," Clinton said at one point.

Goebbels speech on March 18, 1933:

"German women, German men !

It is a happy accident that my first speech since taking charge of the

Ministry for Propaganda and People's Enlightenment is to German women.

Although I agree with Treitschke that men make history, I do not

forget that women raise boys to manhood. You know that the National

Socialist movement is the only party that keeps women out of daily

politics. This arouses bitter criticism and hostility, all of it very

unjustified. We have kept women out of the parliamentary-democratic

intrigues of the past fourteen years in Germany not because we do not

respect them, but because we respect them too much. We do not see the

woman as inferior, rather as having a different mission, a different

value, than that of the man. Therefore we believed that the German

woman, who more than any other in the world is a woman in the best

sense of the word, should use her strength and abilities in other

areas than the man.

The woman has always been not only the man's sexual companion, but

also his fellow worker. Long ago, she did heavy labor with the man in

the field. She moved with him into the cities, entering the offices

and factories, doing her share of the work for which she was best

suited. She did this with all her abilities, her loyalty, her selfless

devotion, her readiness to sacrifice.

The woman in public life today is no different than the women of the

past. No one who understands the modern age would have the crazy idea

of driving women from public life, from work, profession, and bread

winning. But it must also be said that those things that belong to the

man must remain his. That includes politics and the military. That is

not to disparage women, only a recognition of how she can best use her

talents and abilities.

Looking back over the past year's of Germany's decline, we come to the

frightening, nearly terrifying conclusion, that the less German men

were willing to act as men in public life, the more women succumbed to

the temptation to fill the role of the man. The feminization of men

always leads to the masculinization of women. An age in which all

great idea of virtue, of steadfastness, of hardness and determination

have been forgotten should not be surprised that the man gradually

loses his leading role in life and politics and government to the

woman.

It may be unpopular to say this to an audience of women, but it must

be said, because it is true and because it will help make clear our

attitude toward women.

The modern age, with all its vast revolutionary transformations in

government, politics, economics and social relations has not left

women and their role in public life untouched. Things we thought

impossible several years or decades ago are now everyday reality. Some

good, noble and commendable things have happened. But also things that

are contemptible and humiliating. These revolutionary transformations

have largely taken from women their proper tasks. Their eyes were set

in directions that were not appropriate for them. The result was a

distorted public view of German womanhood that had nothing to do with

former ideals.

A fundamental change is necessary. At the risk of sounding reactionary

and outdated, let me say this clearly: The first, best, and most

suitable place for the women is in the family, and her most glorious

duty is to give children to her people and nation, children who can

continue the line of generations and who guarantee the immortality of

the nation. The woman is the teacher of the youth, and therefore the

builder of the foundation of the future. If the family is the nation's

source of strength, the woman is its core and center. The best place

for the woman to serve her people is in her marriage, in the family,

in motherhood. This is her highest mission. That does not mean that

those women who are employed or who have no children have no role in

the motherhood of the German people. They use their strength, their

abilities, their sense of responsibility for the nation, in other

ways. We are convinced, however, that the first task of a socially

reformed nation must be to again give the woman the possibility to

fulfill her real task, her mission in the family and as a mother.

The national revolutionary government is everything but reactionary.

It does not want to stop the pace of our rapidly moving age. It has no

intention of lagging behind the times. It wants to be the flag bearer

and pathfinder of the future. We know the demands of the modern age.

But that does not stop us from seeing that every age has its roots in

motherhood, that there is nothing of greater importance than the

living mother of a family who gives the state children.

German women have been transformed in recent years. They are beginning

to see that they are not happier as a result of being given more

rights but fewer duties. They now realize that the right to be elected

to public office at the expense of the right to life, motherhood and

her daily bread is not a good trade.

A characteristic of the modern era is a rapidly declining birthrate in

our big cities. In 1900 two million babies were born in Germany. Now

the number has fallen to one million. This drastic decline is most

evident in the national capital. In the last fourteen years, Berlin's

birthrate has become the lowest of any European city. By 1955, without

emigration, it will have only about three million inhabitants. The

government is determined to halt this decline of the family and the

resulting impoverishment of our blood. There must be a fundamental

change. The liberal attitude toward the family and the child is

responsible for Germany's rapid decline. We today must begin worrying

about an aging population. In 1900 there were seven children for each

elderly person, today it is only four. If current trends continue, by

1988 the ratio will be 1 : 1. These statistics say it all. They are

the best proof that if Germany continues along its current path, it

will end in an abyss with breathtaking speed. We can almost determine

the decade when Germany collapses because of depopulation.

We are not willing to stand aside and watch the collapse of our

national life and the destruction of the blood we have inherited. The

national revolutionary government has the duty to rebuilt the nation

on its original foundations, to transform the life and work of the

woman so that it once again best serves the national good. It intends

to eliminate the social inequalities so that once again the life of

our people and the future of our people and the immortality of our

blood is assured..."

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http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html

So McCain and the Magic Mormon went at it the other night.

Your point????

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> http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Feb01/0,4670,Democrats,00.html

>

> Clinton, Obama Spar on Health Care, War

> Friday, February 01, 2008

>

> LOS ANGELES - Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton sparred,

> for the most part cordially, over immigration, health care and the war in

> Iraq in their first one-on-one debate on Thursday as they faced

high-stakes

> Super Tuesday contests that could go a long way toward determining the

> party's presidential nominee.

>

> Clinton emphasized that the nation needed a president ready to go to work

on

> "Day One." Obama responded: "Part of the argument that I'm making in this

> campaign is that it is important to be right on Day One."

>

> Five days before Super Tuesday, the two alternated between civility and

> pointed swipes, underscoring the importance of the upcoming contests. The

> debate came as Obama's campaign reported raising a staggering $32 million

in

> January, cash aplenty to advertise all through the nearly two dozen

upcoming

> races from coast to coast _ and contests beyond.

>

> Clinton's campaign reported raising $26.8 million from October through

> December, the most recent period she reported.

>

> Clinton defended the increasingly high-profile role of her husband, former

> President Clinton, in her campaign and his recent sharp criticism of

Obama.

> "At the end of the day, it's my name that is on the ballot."

>

> Both were asked about the possibility of a "dream ticket" of Clinton-Obama

_

> or Obama-Clinton.

>

> "Obviously there's a big difference between those two," Obama said. "I

> respect Senator Clinton, I think her service to this country is

> extraordinary." But he said, "We've got a lot more road to travel" before

> such a decision.

>

> Clinton agreed it was too early to discuss running mates.

>

> Both predicted that one of them would be the next president in a

> history-making inaugural. Obama would be the first black president,

Clinton

> the first female president.

>

> Clinton said the Republicans are "more of the same" and, gesturing toward

> Obama, she said, "We will change our country."

>

> Making amends for his apparent snub of her at Monday's State of the Union

> Address, Obama assisted Clinton by pulling back her chair as the debate _

> televised on CNN _ began and ended. They then embraced.

>

> But it wasn't all sweetness and light.

>

> One of their most pointed exchanges came on the question of whether

illegal

> immigrants should be able to obtain driver's licenses. Obama supports

doing

> so; Clinton initially supported it and now opposes it.

>

> "Senator Clinton gave a number of different answers over the course of six

> weeks on this," Obama said, turning to Clinton. "Initially, you said you

> were for it, then you said you were against it." He said he was raising

her

> wavering to underscore that it is "a difficult political issue."

>

> Clinton called the controversy "a diversion" from efforts to come up with

> comprehensive immigration reform. "I co-sponsored immigration reform in

2004

> before Barack came to the Senate," she said.

>

> Obama argued for his candidacy, saying, "I respect Senator Clinton's

record.

> I think it's a terrific record. But I also believe that the skills that I

> have are the ones that are needed right now to move the country forward,

> otherwise I wouldn't be running for president."

>

> They also clashed on Iraq.

>

> Clinton suggested only she had "the necessary credentials and gravitas" to

> lead the country in withdrawing from Iraq without endangering U.S. forces

or

> further destabilizing the region. She said it was crucial to bring Syria

and

> Iran to the diplomatic table.

>

> Obama shot back, "Senator Clinton mentioned the issue of gravitas and

> judgment. I think it is much easier for us to have the argument when we

have

> a nominee who says `I always thought this was a bad idea. This was a bad

> strategy.' It was not just a problem of execution."

>

> Clinton voted in October 2002 to authorize President Bush to use force in

> Iraq, while Obama opposed such authority in a speech he gave in 2002 as a

> member of the Illinois state Senate.

>

> The two also reached out quickly to backers of former rival John Edwards,

> who bowed out of the race Wednesday without endorsing either one. Both

> praised his efforts in their opening statements.

>

> Obama called Edwards "a voice for this party and this country for many

years

> to come." Clinton saluted both Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, as setting

> "their personal example of courage and leadership" in their advocacy for

the

> poor.

>

> Asked whether it was good for the country to have another Clinton in the

> White House, further extending Bush and Clinton family control over

> government, Clinton drew applause in the Kodak Theatre _ home of the

Academy

> Awards _ when she replied, "It did take a Clinton to clean after the first

> Bush and I think it might take another one to clean up after the second

> Bush."

>

> The nation's weakening economy was a prime topic, and both candidates said

> they preferred Democratic-proposed stimulus plans that would give more tax

> relief to low- and middle-income workers than would Republican proposals.

>

> Obama focused on Republican front-runner John McCain, praising McCain's

two

> votes against Bush's first-term tax cuts and questioning his support now

for

> extending them. "Somewhere along the line, the Straight Talk Express lost

> some wheels," the Illinois senator said, referring to the name of McCain's

> campaign bus.

>

> Both Obama and Clinton nodded in agreement as they compared Democratic

> economic solutions to those put forward by the GOP.

>

> Befitting a Hollywood audience, among the celebrities in the theater were

> Diane Keaton, Jason Alexander, Pierce Brosnan, Rob Reiner, Stevie Wonder,

> Kate Capshaw, Steven Spielberg, Leonardo DiCaprio, Bradley Whitford and

Gary

> Shandling.

>

> Both candidates acknowledged policy differences but also sought to ratchet

> back what had become increasingly personal attacks and the animosity of

> their last debate before the Jan. 26 South Carolina primary, which Obama

won

> by a margin of 2-to-1.

>

> Obama appears to have most of the momentum as of now, including

high-profile

> endorsements and impressive fundraising. But Clinton has considerable

> institutional strength and is still widely favored to do better overall

than

> Obama on Super Tuesday.

>

> "I was friends with Hillary Clinton before we started this campaign. I

will

> be friends with Hillary Clinton after this campaign is over," Obama said .

>

> "We're having a wonderful time," Clinton said at one point.

>

>