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Paul J. Berg

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News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 23, 2007

Sherwood (Oregon) Police Chief Bill Middleton, an Army reservist who
spent more than a year interrogating captured militants in Iraq,
Afghanistan and at the military's Guantanamo Bay prison, returned to
town this spring to learn that he was reporting to a newly installed
public safety director -- a former Oregon State Police superintendent
who had served as interim chief while Middleton was gone.

Middleton, chief since 1995, previously reported directly to the city
manager. He said the change amounted to an unlawful demotion, and in May
filed a federal labor complaint against the city. City officials
maintained that his title, pay and responsibilities hadn't changed, and
reacted to the labor complaint by placing Middleton on paid
administrative leave.

Middleton and city officials are on contentious ground, a battle space
potentially shared by hundreds of Oregon National Guard members and
military reservists rotating home from duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. Like
Middleton, some find themselves in a new fight when they return to their
civilian jobs.

In June, an Albany man who was demoted and eventually fired from his job
with Target Corp. after joining the Oregon National Guard in the wake of
the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, won a $1 million judgment.

While most employers comply with a federal law that keeps positions open
for service personnel -- and some go out of their way to support
military employees and their families -- 15 to 20 complaints a year are
filed in Oregon under the Uniformed Services Employment and
Re-Employment Rights Act.

Nationally, the U.S. Department of Labor reported 1,241 new cases in
2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available. That was
down from the 1,465 cases filed in 2004, which the department attributes
in part to a continuing education campaign.

The law not only requires employers to hold jobs open for military
personnel, but also broadly requires employers to extend to them raises,
promotions and benefits improvements they would have received had they
remained at work.

"Two sides to a story"

On Wednesday, Middleton said informal mediation has not resolved the
situation and he's asked the U.S. Department of Labor to forward his
case to federal attorneys for litigation, the next step in the process
under the federal law. He's also considering a civil lawsuit.

"I just wanted to get back to work, and it seemed like it wasn't
happening," Middleton said.

"That is his right," City Manager Ross Schultz said of Middleton's
action, "and we'll see how that ends up."

Middleton's attorney, Mark Turner of Portland, said the chief has a
"fabulous" case against the city. "There's objective evidence that this
was just wrong," he said. "I can't believe the city people have been as
stupid as they've been, for lack of a better term.

"The city manager specifically told Bill that the only way to keep him
as chief of police is to resign from the Army Reserve," Turner said.
"That's about as smoking gun as you can get."

The city's creation of the public safety director position was clearly a
demotion, Turner said.

City officials say they are hamstrung by personnel privacy concerns and
can't talk in detail about Middleton's situation. "The city doesn't
share that point of view," Assistant City Manager Jim Patterson fumed.
"There's always two sides to a story."

Well-regarded figure

The Middleton case is a raw topic in Sherwood, a southwest suburb of
about 15,000 that Money Magazine recently named 18th among the 100 best
places to live in the country.

The chief is well-regarded in town, to the extent that he was grand
marshal of the annual Robin Hood Festival parade on Saturday. "I love
him, he's so funny," said Holli Robinson, Sherwood Chamber of Commerce
executive director. Middleton and Schultz, the city manager, were
friends before the employment flap.
Middleton said his goal is to be reinstated as chief with the same
authority he had before, and if necessary he's ready to file a lawsuit
in addition to his labor claim.

But there are secondhand stories rolling through town about personal
misbehavior within the Police Department while Middleton was away on
active duty most recently. He says the city resented his being gone for
such long periods and wanted to stabilize the department by appointing
the experienced former state police superintendent -- Ron Ruecker -- to
take his place.

At one point, City Manager Schultz flew cross country to meet Middleton
in Washington, D.C., and asked him to sign a three-page contract
agreeing to work as deputy chief with assignment to the FBI's Joint
Terrorism Task Force in Portland -- work Middleton enjoys. The offer was
withdrawn when Middleton refused to sign the contract.

Middleton, 57, has been in the Army Reserve for 28 years. After the 2001
terrorist attacks, he and other reservists with law enforcement
backgrounds were assigned to the Defense Department's Criminal
Investigation Task Force. It was basic police work: question captured
combatants and determine whether they were responsible for attacks on
American troops. Most were proud of what they'd done and quite willing
to implicate themselves, he said.

Middleton was activated in December 2005 and in February 2006 was sent
to Iraq for six months. He then spent four months in Afghanistan,
followed by six months at the task force base in Virginia. While in
Virginia he made two trips to the prison at Guantanamo Bay, where he
helped assess whether detainees posed a continuing threat. He was
deployed once before, to Germany for a year in 2004.

He's retained a heavy hitter in attorney Turner, who represented the
Albany guardsman who recently won the $1 million judgment, which Target
said it will appeal.

Most cases don't devolve into legal action, however.

Nationally, investigators and mediators closed about one-third of the
2005 claims within 90 days, recovering $1.7 million in lost wages and
benefits for claimants, according to the Labor Department's annual
report to Congress.

"Lack of knowledge of the current law" is the root cause of most claims,
said Bob Elliott, a state coordinator of Employers Support of Guard and
Reserves. The group is aligned with the Defense Department and assigns
volunteer mediators to intervene when problems arise.

"If a business is big enough to have a human resources department, they
understand the law," Elliott said.

~
 
Paul J. Berg wrote:
> ~
>
> News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 23, 2007
>
> Sherwood (Oregon) Police Chief Bill Middleton, an Army reservist who
> spent more than a year interrogating captured militants in Iraq,
> Afghanistan and at the military's Guantanamo Bay prison, returned to
> town this spring to learn that he was reporting to a newly installed
> public safety director -- a former Oregon State Police superintendent
> who had served as interim chief while Middleton was gone.
>
> Middleton, chief since 1995, previously reported directly to the city
> manager. He said the change amounted to an unlawful demotion, and in May
> filed a federal labor complaint against the city. City officials
> maintained that his title, pay and responsibilities hadn't changed, and
> reacted to the labor complaint by placing Middleton on paid
> administrative leave.
>
> Middleton and city officials are on contentious ground, a battle space
> potentially shared by hundreds of Oregon National Guard members and
> military reservists rotating home from duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. Like
> Middleton, some find themselves in a new fight when they return to their
> civilian jobs.
>
> In June, an Albany man who was demoted and eventually fired from his job
> with Target Corp. after joining the Oregon National Guard in the wake of
> the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, won a $1 million judgment.
>
> While most employers comply with a federal law that keeps positions open
> for service personnel -- and some go out of their way to support
> military employees and their families -- 15 to 20 complaints a year are
> filed in Oregon under the Uniformed Services Employment and
> Re-Employment Rights Act.
>
> Nationally, the U.S. Department of Labor reported 1,241 new cases in
> 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available. That was
> down from the 1,465 cases filed in 2004, which the department attributes
> in part to a continuing education campaign.
>
> The law not only requires employers to hold jobs open for military
> personnel, but also broadly requires employers to extend to them raises,
> promotions and benefits improvements they would have received had they
> remained at work.
>
> "Two sides to a story"
>
> On Wednesday, Middleton said informal mediation has not resolved the
> situation and he's asked the U.S. Department of Labor to forward his
> case to federal attorneys for litigation, the next step in the process
> under the federal law. He's also considering a civil lawsuit.
>
> "I just wanted to get back to work, and it seemed like it wasn't
> happening," Middleton said.
>
> "That is his right," City Manager Ross Schultz said of Middleton's
> action, "and we'll see how that ends up."
>
> Middleton's attorney, Mark Turner of Portland, said the chief has a
> "fabulous" case against the city. "There's objective evidence that this
> was just wrong," he said. "I can't believe the city people have been as
> stupid as they've been, for lack of a better term.
>
> "The city manager specifically told Bill that the only way to keep him
> as chief of police is to resign from the Army Reserve," Turner said.
> "That's about as smoking gun as you can get."
>
> The city's creation of the public safety director position was clearly a
> demotion, Turner said.
>
> City officials say they are hamstrung by personnel privacy concerns and
> can't talk in detail about Middleton's situation. "The city doesn't
> share that point of view," Assistant City Manager Jim Patterson fumed.
> "There's always two sides to a story."
>
> Well-regarded figure
>
> The Middleton case is a raw topic in Sherwood, a southwest suburb of
> about 15,000 that Money Magazine recently named 18th among the 100 best
> places to live in the country.
>
> The chief is well-regarded in town, to the extent that he was grand
> marshal of the annual Robin Hood Festival parade on Saturday. "I love
> him, he's so funny," said Holli Robinson, Sherwood Chamber of Commerce
> executive director. Middleton and Schultz, the city manager, were
> friends before the employment flap.
> Middleton said his goal is to be reinstated as chief with the same
> authority he had before, and if necessary he's ready to file a lawsuit
> in addition to his labor claim.
>
> But there are secondhand stories rolling through town about personal
> misbehavior within the Police Department while Middleton was away on
> active duty most recently. He says the city resented his being gone for
> such long periods and wanted to stabilize the department by appointing
> the experienced former state police superintendent -- Ron Ruecker -- to
> take his place.
>
> At one point, City Manager Schultz flew cross country to meet Middleton
> in Washington, D.C., and asked him to sign a three-page contract
> agreeing to work as deputy chief with assignment to the FBI's Joint
> Terrorism Task Force in Portland -- work Middleton enjoys. The offer was
> withdrawn when Middleton refused to sign the contract.
>
> Middleton, 57, has been in the Army Reserve for 28 years. After the 2001
> terrorist attacks, he and other reservists with law enforcement
> backgrounds were assigned to the Defense Department's Criminal
> Investigation Task Force. It was basic police work: question captured
> combatants and determine whether they were responsible for attacks on
> American troops. Most were proud of what they'd done and quite willing
> to implicate themselves, he said.
>
> Middleton was activated in December 2005 and in February 2006 was sent
> to Iraq for six months. He then spent four months in Afghanistan,
> followed by six months at the task force base in Virginia. While in
> Virginia he made two trips to the prison at Guantanamo Bay, where he
> helped assess whether detainees posed a continuing threat. He was
> deployed once before, to Germany for a year in 2004.
>
> He's retained a heavy hitter in attorney Turner, who represented the
> Albany guardsman who recently won the $1 million judgment, which Target
> said it will appeal.
>
> Most cases don't devolve into legal action, however.
>
> Nationally, investigators and mediators closed about one-third of the
> 2005 claims within 90 days, recovering $1.7 million in lost wages and
> benefits for claimants, according to the Labor Department's annual
> report to Congress.
>
> "Lack of knowledge of the current law" is the root cause of most claims,
> said Bob Elliott, a state coordinator of Employers Support of Guard and
> Reserves. The group is aligned with the Defense Department and assigns
> volunteer mediators to intervene when problems arise.
>
> "If a business is big enough to have a human resources department, they
> understand the law," Elliott said.
>
> ~
>



Let's wish him well in his Suit.
 
Now I'm confused. I thought the republicans were squealing with glee over
the huge job market we have under Bush....Soooo what's the problem here ?
Just go out and find another job maybe at Wendy's or Burger King.
"Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:8444-46A4A2A8-936@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net...
> ~
>
> News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 23, 2007
>
> Sherwood (Oregon) Police Chief Bill Middleton, an Army reservist who
> spent more than a year interrogating captured militants in Iraq,
> Afghanistan and at the military's Guantanamo Bay prison, returned to
> town this spring to learn that he was reporting to a newly installed
> public safety director -- a former Oregon State Police superintendent
> who had served as interim chief while Middleton was gone.
>
> Middleton, chief since 1995, previously reported directly to the city
> manager. He said the change amounted to an unlawful demotion, and in May
> filed a federal labor complaint against the city. City officials
> maintained that his title, pay and responsibilities hadn't changed, and
> reacted to the labor complaint by placing Middleton on paid
> administrative leave.
>
> Middleton and city officials are on contentious ground, a battle space
> potentially shared by hundreds of Oregon National Guard members and
> military reservists rotating home from duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. Like
> Middleton, some find themselves in a new fight when they return to their
> civilian jobs.
>
> In June, an Albany man who was demoted and eventually fired from his job
> with Target Corp. after joining the Oregon National Guard in the wake of
> the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, won a $1 million judgment.
>
> While most employers comply with a federal law that keeps positions open
> for service personnel -- and some go out of their way to support
> military employees and their families -- 15 to 20 complaints a year are
> filed in Oregon under the Uniformed Services Employment and
> Re-Employment Rights Act.
>
> Nationally, the U.S. Department of Labor reported 1,241 new cases in
> 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available. That was
> down from the 1,465 cases filed in 2004, which the department attributes
> in part to a continuing education campaign.
>
> The law not only requires employers to hold jobs open for military
> personnel, but also broadly requires employers to extend to them raises,
> promotions and benefits improvements they would have received had they
> remained at work.
>
> "Two sides to a story"
>
> On Wednesday, Middleton said informal mediation has not resolved the
> situation and he's asked the U.S. Department of Labor to forward his
> case to federal attorneys for litigation, the next step in the process
> under the federal law. He's also considering a civil lawsuit.
>
> "I just wanted to get back to work, and it seemed like it wasn't
> happening," Middleton said.
>
> "That is his right," City Manager Ross Schultz said of Middleton's
> action, "and we'll see how that ends up."
>
> Middleton's attorney, Mark Turner of Portland, said the chief has a
> "fabulous" case against the city. "There's objective evidence that this
> was just wrong," he said. "I can't believe the city people have been as
> stupid as they've been, for lack of a better term.
>
> "The city manager specifically told Bill that the only way to keep him
> as chief of police is to resign from the Army Reserve," Turner said.
> "That's about as smoking gun as you can get."
>
> The city's creation of the public safety director position was clearly a
> demotion, Turner said.
>
> City officials say they are hamstrung by personnel privacy concerns and
> can't talk in detail about Middleton's situation. "The city doesn't
> share that point of view," Assistant City Manager Jim Patterson fumed.
> "There's always two sides to a story."
>
> Well-regarded figure
>
> The Middleton case is a raw topic in Sherwood, a southwest suburb of
> about 15,000 that Money Magazine recently named 18th among the 100 best
> places to live in the country.
>
> The chief is well-regarded in town, to the extent that he was grand
> marshal of the annual Robin Hood Festival parade on Saturday. "I love
> him, he's so funny," said Holli Robinson, Sherwood Chamber of Commerce
> executive director. Middleton and Schultz, the city manager, were
> friends before the employment flap.
> Middleton said his goal is to be reinstated as chief with the same
> authority he had before, and if necessary he's ready to file a lawsuit
> in addition to his labor claim.
>
> But there are secondhand stories rolling through town about personal
> misbehavior within the Police Department while Middleton was away on
> active duty most recently. He says the city resented his being gone for
> such long periods and wanted to stabilize the department by appointing
> the experienced former state police superintendent -- Ron Ruecker -- to
> take his place.
>
> At one point, City Manager Schultz flew cross country to meet Middleton
> in Washington, D.C., and asked him to sign a three-page contract
> agreeing to work as deputy chief with assignment to the FBI's Joint
> Terrorism Task Force in Portland -- work Middleton enjoys. The offer was
> withdrawn when Middleton refused to sign the contract.
>
> Middleton, 57, has been in the Army Reserve for 28 years. After the 2001
> terrorist attacks, he and other reservists with law enforcement
> backgrounds were assigned to the Defense Department's Criminal
> Investigation Task Force. It was basic police work: question captured
> combatants and determine whether they were responsible for attacks on
> American troops. Most were proud of what they'd done and quite willing
> to implicate themselves, he said.
>
> Middleton was activated in December 2005 and in February 2006 was sent
> to Iraq for six months. He then spent four months in Afghanistan,
> followed by six months at the task force base in Virginia. While in
> Virginia he made two trips to the prison at Guantanamo Bay, where he
> helped assess whether detainees posed a continuing threat. He was
> deployed once before, to Germany for a year in 2004.
>
> He's retained a heavy hitter in attorney Turner, who represented the
> Albany guardsman who recently won the $1 million judgment, which Target
> said it will appeal.
>
> Most cases don't devolve into legal action, however.
>
> Nationally, investigators and mediators closed about one-third of the
> 2005 claims within 90 days, recovering $1.7 million in lost wages and
> benefits for claimants, according to the Labor Department's annual
> report to Congress.
>
> "Lack of knowledge of the current law" is the root cause of most claims,
> said Bob Elliott, a state coordinator of Employers Support of Guard and
> Reserves. The group is aligned with the Defense Department and assigns
> volunteer mediators to intervene when problems arise.
>
> "If a business is big enough to have a human resources department, they
> understand the law," Elliott said.
>
> ~
>
 
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:8aCdne13LPSWLjnbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Paul J. Berg wrote:
>
> Let's wish him well in his Suit.


why ?

he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people,

also he's an idiot who took part in an illegal and immoral war, violated the
geneva convention,
and the US Constitution

**** the hillbilly, he should be in prison
 
"It's Just Me" <lord-howard-hurts@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:c33pi.23911$Rw1.12513@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> Now I'm confused. I thought the republicans were squealing with glee over
> the huge job market we have under Bush....Soooo what's the problem here ?
> Just go out and find another job maybe at Wendy's or Burger King.
> "Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message


he could torture some hamburgers and imprison the large fry
 
Al E. Gator wrote:
> "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
> news:8aCdne13LPSWLjnbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Paul J. Berg wrote:
>>
>> Let's wish him well in his Suit.

>
> why ?
>
> he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people,
>



Cite that you frigging dumb ass! Or by not citing that as a "FACT" prove
yourself to be a worthless anti-American piece of crap.
 
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:M5ednRujiKkLVDnbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Al E. Gator wrote:
>> "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
>> news:8aCdne13LPSWLjnbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Paul J. Berg wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's wish him well in his Suit.

>>
>> why ?
>>
>> he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people,
>>

>
>
> Cite that you frigging dumb ass! Or by not citing that as a "FACT" prove
> yourself to be a worthless anti-American piece of crap.


whhhooooaaaaaa,

lit up that hillbilly in record time,

let's see, that's 179 for me, 0 for you goobers


Anti American Moi ??

I'm not participating in an illegal and immoral war, murdering, torturing,
and imprisoning
innocent people,

raping and murdering 14 year old girls and bombing babies

go **** yourself gomer, take that whining serial killing mass murdering
criminal in Oregon
with you

I'm sure the enlightened, liberal population of Oregon doesn't want a
deranged baby killing
hillbilly in their state

hey gomer, let me give you a clue,

you low life, retarded, bow legged, cross eyed, non shootin, faggot,
hillbilly losers, failures,
and ****ups seriously pissed off a lot of people with those misspelled signs
and that swiftboat
bullshit

and we're not going to cut you ****suckers any slack, so stop the whining
you little yellow,gutless, hillbilly bitch
 
Al E. Gator wrote:
> "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
> news:M5ednRujiKkLVDnbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Al E. Gator wrote:
>>> "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
>>> news:8aCdne13LPSWLjnbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Paul J. Berg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Let's wish him well in his Suit.
>>> why ?
>>>
>>> he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people,
>>>

>>
>> Cite that you frigging dumb ass! Or by not citing that as a "FACT" prove
>> yourself to be a worthless anti-American piece of crap.

>
> whhhooooaaaaaa,
>
> lit up that hillbilly in record time,
>
> let's see, that's 179 for me, 0 for you goobers
>
>
> Anti American Moi ??
>
> I'm not participating in an illegal and immoral war, murdering, torturing,
> and imprisoning
> innocent people,
>
> raping and murdering 14 year old girls and bombing babies
>
> go **** yourself gomer, take that whining serial killing mass murdering
> criminal in Oregon
> with you
>
> I'm sure the enlightened, liberal population of Oregon doesn't want a
> deranged baby killing
> hillbilly in their state
>
> hey gomer, let me give you a clue,
>
> you low life, retarded, bow legged, cross eyed, non shootin, faggot,
> hillbilly losers, failures,
> and ****ups seriously pissed off a lot of people with those misspelled signs
> and that swiftboat
> bullshit
>
> and we're not going to cut you ****suckers any slack, so stop the whining
> you little yellow,gutless, hillbilly bitch
>
>
>



You just made yourself out to be a liar on th NG. But not to worry, your
in company with many more from the left. How very ANTI-American of you.
 
Good luck. The jackass city should ask DoD and CinC about those
issues, it was their idea.
 
The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> saying on
Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a:

>> Let's wish him well in his Suit.

>
> why ?
>
> he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people,
>
> also he's an idiot who took part in an illegal and immoral war,
> violated the geneva convention,
> and the US Constitution
>
> **** the hillbilly, he should be in prison


Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his
job back. First things first.

Then, if you're concerned with what he did in the positions he held
in the Iraq/Afghan theater, collect the evidence and try him.

But -- and here I part company with the apologists for this
conservative Republican President -- don't start and stop with the
grunts who are carrying out the orders on the ground. Start with
trying the people in the chain of command who issued the orders.
--
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
revbob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/

Justice works when the arbiter isn't driven by the impulses that
drive the crime. Society is able to stand in judgement of a criminal
when society doesn
 
pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote in news:8444-46A4A2A8-936@storefull-
3238.bay.webtv.net:

> ~
>
> News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 23, 2007
>

So what's the point in reposting articles from the Oregonian.
I can read the newspaper.
 
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:cs6dnTX8SeeDSTnbnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Al E. Gator wrote:
>> "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
>> news:M5ednRujiKkLVDnbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...

>
>
> You just made yourself out to be a liar on th NG. But not to worry, your
> in company with many more from the left. How very ANTI-American of you.
>

you are known by the company you keep,

in your case, you've got a murdering, torturing war criminal and goobers
like this :

"Information is moving -- you know, nightly news is one way, of course, but
it's also moving through the blogosphere and through the
Internets." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007

"The question is, who ought to make that decision? The Congress or the
commanders? And as you know, my position is clear -- I'm a commander
guy." --George W. Bush, who apparently is no longer "The Decider,"
Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007 (Watch video clip)

"Wisdom and strength, and my family, is what I'd like for you to pray
for." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007

"Either we'll succeed, or we won't succeed. And the definition of success as
I described is sectarian violence down. Success is not no
violence." --George W. Bush, on Iraq, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007

"And so, what Gen. Petraeus is saying, some early signs, still dangerous,
but give me -- give my chance a plan to work." --George W. Bush, in an
interview with Charlie Rose, April 24, 2007

"There are jobs Americans aren't doing. ... If you've got a chicken factory,
a chicken-plucking factory, or whatever you call them, you know what I'm
talking about." --George W. Bush. Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007

"There are some similarities, of course (between Iraq and Vietnam). Death is
terrible." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007

"I've been in politics long enough to know that polls just go poof at
times." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007

"My job is a job to make decisions. I'm a decision -- if the job description
were, what do you do -- it's decision maker." --George W. Bush, Tipp City,
Ohio, April 19, 2007

"Politics comes and goes, but your principles don't. And everybody wants to
be loved -- not everybody. ... You never heard anybody say, 'I want to be
despised, I'm running for office.'" --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April
19, 2007

"I said to her, make sure the rug says 'optimistic person comes to
work.'" --George W. Bush, on his instructions to First Lady Laura Bush in
choosing a rug for the Oval Office, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007

"One of my concerns is that the health care not be as good as it can
possibly be." --George W. Bush, on military benefits, Tipp City, Ohio, April
19, 2007

"Forms of government matter, in my opinion. It matters how -- the nature of
the government in which people live." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio,
April 19, 2007

"My attitude is, if they're still writing about (number) one, 43 doesn't
need to worry about it." --George W. Bush, on his legacy, Tipp City, Ohio,
April 19, 2007

"A good marriage is really good after serving together in Washington,
D.C." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007

"The best thing about my family is my wife. She is a great first lady. I
know that sounds not very objective, but that's how I feel. And she's also
patient. Putting up with me requires a lot of patience." --George W. Bush,
Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007

"Iraq is a very important part of securing the homeland, and it's a very
important part of helping change the Middle East into a part of the world
that will not serve as a threat to the civilized world, to people like -- or
to the developed world, to people like -- in the United States." --George W.
Bush, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2007

"Suiciders are willing to kill innocent life in order to send the projection
that this is an impossible mission." --George W. Busy, Washington, D.C.,
April 3, 2007

"And my concern, David, is several." --George W. Bush, to NBC's David
Gregory, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2007

"The solution to Iraq -- an Iraq that can govern itself, sustain itself and
defend itself -- is more than a military mission. Precisely the reason why I
sent more troops into Baghdad." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 3,
2007

"That's why we are inconveniencing air traffickers, to make sure nobody is
carrying weapons on airplanes." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 3,
2007

"They're innocent, they were doing nothing, and they were summarily plucked
out of water." --George W. Bush, on British sailors who were detained by
Iran while on patrol in the Persian Gulf, Camp David, March 31, 2007

"Some call this civil war; others call it emergency -- I call it pure
evil." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 28, 2007

"I'm a strong proponent of the restoration of the wetlands, for a lot of
reasons. There's a practical reason, though, when it comes to hurricanes:
The stronger the wetlands, the more likely the damage of the
hurricane." --George W. Bush, New Orleans, March 1, 2007


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"And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount
of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll
work hard to try to elevate it." --George W. Bush, interview on National
Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007

"I think that the vice president is a person reflecting a half-glass-full
mentality." --George W. Bush, interview on National Public Radio, Jan. 29,
2007

"And one thing we want during this war on terror is for people to feel like
their life's moving on, that they're able to make a living and send their
kids to college and put more money on the table." --George W. Bush,
interview on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, Jan. 16, 2007

"The best way to defeat the totalitarian of hate is with an ideology of
hope -- an ideology of hate -- excuse me --with an ideology of
hope." --George W. Bush, Fort Benning, Ga., Jan. 11, 2007

"Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to
families who die." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 2006 (Watch
video clip)

"It's bad in Iraq. Does that help?" --George W. Bush, after being asked by a
reporter whether he's in denial about Iraq, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 2006

"And truth of the matter is, a lot of reports in Washington are never read
by anybody. To show you how important this one is, I read it, and our guest
read it." --George W. Bush, on the Baker-Hamilton Report, appearing with
British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 2006

"This business about graceful exit just simply has no realism to it at
all." --George W. Bush, on speculation that U.S. troops could be withdrawn
from Iraq, Amman, Jordan, Nov. 30, 2006

"The only way we can win is to leave before the job is done." --George W.
Bush, Greeley, Colo., Nov. 4, 2006 (Watch video clip)

"Anybody who is in a position to serve this country ought to understand the
consequences of words." --George W. Bush, interview with Rush Limbaugh, Nov.
1, 2006

"You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war
President. No President wants to be a war President, but I am one." --George
W. Bush, Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006

Maria Bartiromo: "I'm curious, have you ever googled anybody? Do you use
Google?"
President Bush: "Occasionally. One of the things I've used on the Google is
to pull up maps. It's very interesting to see -- I've forgot the name of the
program -- but you get the satellite, and you can -- like, I kinda like to
look at the ranch. It remind me of where I wanna be sometimes." --interview
with CNBC's Maria Bartiromo, Oct. 24, 2006 (Watch video clip)

"We're never been stay the course, George." --George W. Bush, attempting to
distance himself from what has been his core strategy in Iraq for the last
three years, interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Oct. 22, 2006

"This morning my administration released the budget numbers for fiscal 2006.
These budget numbers are not just estimates; these are the actual results
for the fiscal year that ended February the 30th." --George W. Bush, on the
fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30, Washington, D.C., Oct. 11, 2006 (Watch
video clip)

"One has a stronger hand when there's more people playing your same
cards." --George W. Bush, on holding six-party talks with North Korea,
Washington, D.C., Oct. 11, 2006

"I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting
me." --George W. Bush, talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by
Bob Woodward

"I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will
look like just a comma because there is -- my point is, there's a strong
will for democracy." --George W. Bush, interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer,
Sept. 24, 2006 (Watch video clip)

"You're one of the outstanding leaders in a very important part of the
world. I want to thank you for strategizing our discussions." --George W.
Bush, meeting with the prime minister of Malaysia, New York, N.Y., Sept. 18,
2006

"The Patriot Act has increased the flow of information within our government
and it has helped break up terrorist cells in the United States of America.
And the United States Congress was right to renew the terrorist act -- the
Patriot Act." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. , Sept. 7, 2006

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war
on terror." --George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept.
6, 2006

"I said I was looking for a book to read, Laura said you ought to try Camus.
I also read three Shakespeares. ... I've got a eck-a-lec-tic reading
list." --George W. Bush, interview with NBC's Brian Williams, New Orleans,
La., Aug. 29, 2006 (Watch video clip)

"And I suspect that what you'll see, Toby, is there will be a momentum,
momentum will be gathered. Houses will begat jobs, jobs will begat
houses." --George W. Bush, talking to reporters along the hurricane-ravaged
Gulf Coast, Gulfport, Miss., Aug. 28, 2006

"I would guess, I would surmise that some of the more spectacular bombings
are done by al Qaeda suiciders." --George W. Bush, on violence in Iraq,
Washington, D.C., Aug. 21, 2006

"The United States of America is engaged in a war against an extremist group
of folks." --George W. Bush, McLean, Va., Aug. 15, 2006

"See, the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah
to stop doing this s t, and it's over." --George W. Bush, chomping on a
dinner roll while talking about the Middle East crisis with British Prime
Minister Tony Blair at the G8 summit, St. Petersburg, Russia, July 17, 2006
(Watch video clip)

"One thing is clear, is relations between America and Russia are good, and
they're important that they be good." --George W. Bush, Strelna, Russia,
July 15, 2006

"I've reminded the prime minister-the American people, Mr. Prime Minister,
over the past months that it was not always a given that the United States
and America would have a close relationship." George W. Bush, Washington,
D.C., June 29, 2006

"We shouldn't fear a world that is more interacted." --George W. Bush,
Washington, D.C., June 27, 2006

"I think -- tide turning -- see, as I remember -- I was raised in the
desert, but tides kind of -- it's easy to see a tide turn -- did I say those
words?" --George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq, Washington,
D.C., June 14, 2006

President Bush: "Peter. Are you going to ask that question with shades on?"
Peter Wallsten of the Los Angeles Times: "I can take them off."
Bush: "I'm interested in the shade look, seriously."
Wallsten: "All right, I'll keep it, then."
Bush: "For the viewers, there's no sun."
Wallsten: "I guess it depends on your perspective."
Bush: "Touche.
--an exchange with legally blind reporter Peter Wallsten, to whom Bush later
apologized, Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006 (Watch video clip)

"I tell people, let's don't fear the future, let's shape it." --George W.
Bush, Omaha, Neb., June 7, 2006

"Trying to stop suiciders -- which we're doing a pretty good job of on
occasion -- is difficult to do. And what the Iraqis are going to have to
eventually do is convince those who are conducting suiciders who are not
inspired by Al Qaeda, for example, to realize there's a peaceful
tomorrow." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 24, 2006

"I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth
bass in my lake." --George W. Bush, on his best moment in office, interview
with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7, 2006

"If people want to get to know me better, they've got to know my parents and
the values my parents instilled in me, and the fact that I was raised in
West Texas, in the middle of the desert, a long way away from anywhere,
hardly. There's a certain set of values you learn in that
experience." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006

"You never know what your history is going to be like until long after
you're gone." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006

"The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And
one such goal is a democracy in Germany." --George W. Bush, D.C., May 5,
2006

"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting
thing about him is that I read three -- three or four books about him last
year. Isn't that interesting?" --George W. Bush, while showing German
newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5,
2006

"Finally, the desk, where we'll have our picture taken in front of -- is
nine other Presidents used it. This was given to us by Queen Victoria in the
1870s, I think it was. President Roosevelt put the door in so people would
not know he was in a wheelchair. John Kennedy put his head out the
door." --George W. Bush, showing German newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann the
Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006

"That's called, A Charge To Keep, based upon a religious hymn. The hymn
talks about serving God. The president's job is never to promote a
religion." --George W. Bush, showing German newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann
the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006

"I was not pleased that Hamas has refused to announce its desire to destroy
Israel." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2006

"I can look you in the eye and tell you I feel I've tried to solve the
problem diplomatically to the max, and would have committed troops both in
Afghanistan and Iraq knowing what I know today." --George W. Bush, Irvine,
Calif., April 24, 2006

"I aim to be a competitive nation." --George W. Bush, San Jose, Calif.,
April 21, 2006

"I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don
Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense." --George W. Bush,
Washington, D.C. April 18, 2006 (Listen to audio clip; Watch video clip)

"I strongly believe what we're doing is the right thing. If I didn't believe
it -- I'm going to repeat what I said before -- I'd pull the troops out, nor
if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops out." --George W. Bush,
Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006

"No question that the enemy has tried to spread sectarian violence. They use
violence as a tool to do that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March
22, 2006

"If the Iranians were to have a nuclear weapon they could
proliferate." --George W. Bush, Washington D.C., March 21, 2006




"After the bombing, most Iraqis saw what the perpetuators of this attack
were trying to do." --George W. Bush, on the bombing of the Golden Mosque of
Samarra in Iraq, March 13, 2006, Washington, D.C.

"And so I'm for medical liability at the federal level." --George W. Bush,
on medical liability reform, Washington, D.C., March 10, 2006

"I believe that a prosperous, democratic Pakistan will be a steadfast
partner for America, a peaceful neighbor for India, and a force for freedom
and moderation in the Arab world." --George W. Bush, mistakenly identifying
Pakistan as an Arab country, Islamabad, Pakistan, March 3, 2006

"People don't need to worry about security. This deal wouldn't go forward if
we were concerned about the security for the United States of
America." --George W. Bush, on the deal to hand over U.S. port security to a
company operated by the United Arab Emirates, Washington, D.C., Feb. 23,
2006

"And I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why all of a
sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard than a Great
British company." --George W. Bush, defending a plan to allow a company
controlled by the United Arab Emirates to manage ports in the United States,
aboard Air Force One, Feb. 21, 2006

"I think it's really important for this great state of baseball to reach out
to people of all walks of life to make sure that the sport is inclusive. The
best way to do it is to convince little kids how to--the beauty of playing
baseball." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 13, 2006

"I like my buddies from west Texas. I liked them when I was young, I liked
them then I was middle-age, I liked them before I was president, and I like
them during president, and I like them after president." --George W. Bush,
Nashville, Tenn., Feb. 1, 2006

"He was a state sponsor of terror. In other words, the government had
declared, you are a state sponsor of terror." --George W. Bush, on Saddam
Hussein, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006



"I'll be glad to talk about ranching, but I haven't seen the movie. I've
heard about it. I hope you go -- you know -- I hope you go back to the ranch
and the farm is what I'm about to say." --George W. Bush, after being asked
whether he's seen Brokeback Mountain, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006

"It's a heck of a place to bring your family." --George W. Bush, on New
Orleans, New Orleans, La., Jan. 12, 2006

"You took an oath to defend our flag and our freedom, and you kept that oath
underseas and under fire." --George W. Bush, addressing war veterans,
Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2006

"As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself -- not here at the
hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave me a
little scratch. As a matter of fact, the Colonel asked if I needed first aid
when she first saw me. I was able to avoid any major surgical operations
here, but thanks for your compassion, Colonel." --George W. Bush, after
visiting with wounded veterans from the Amputee Care Center of Brooke Army
Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, Jan. 1, 2006
 
"Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <revbob@the.rectory> wrote in message
news:Xns9976BFC003A51revbob@140.99.99.130...
> The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> saying on
> Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a:
>
> Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his
> job back. First things first.
>
>


he got his job back, he just didn't like who he was working for,

another prima donna ?
 
On Jul 24, 12:18 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote:
> "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <rev...@the.rectory> wrote in messagenews:Xns9976BFC003A51revbob@140.99.99.130...
>
> > The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> saying on
> > Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a:

>
> > Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his
> > job back. First things first.

>
> he got his job back, he just didn't like who he was working for,
>
> another prima donna ?


Did he get a gender reaassignment too?
 
"Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote:

>
> "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <revbob@the.rectory> wrote in message
> news:Xns9976BFC003A51revbob@140.99.99.130...
>> The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> saying on
>> Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a:
>>
>> Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his
>> job back. First things first.
>>
>>

>
> he got his job back, he just didn't like who he was working for,
>
> another prima donna ?
>
>
>


In a job like yours it doesn't make much difference. As long as you
remember to ask "Would you like fries with that?".
 
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jxhpi.1085$Ok5.516@trndny02...
> "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote:
>> In a job like yours it doesn't make much difference. As long as you

> remember to ask "Would you like fries with that?".


aren't you embarrassed using a juvenile insult like that, which is so lame
it needs a wheel chair ?,


I realize you hillbillies don't have much, but many times it's better to
remain silent

and be thought the fool, than to speak and remove all doubt,

especially for hillbillies
 
"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185259990.946359.52850@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 24, 12:18 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote:
>> "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <rev...@the.rectory> wrote in
>> messagenews:Xns9976BFC003A51revbob@140.99.99.130...
>>
>> > The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> saying on
>> > Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a:

>>
>> > Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his
>> > job back. First things first.

>>
>> he got his job back, he just didn't like who he was working for,
>>
>> another prima donna ?

>
> Did he get a gender reaassignment too?
>


dumb ****ing hillbilly aren't you goober,

how come you retards don't show the proper humility for your ignorance ??

I guess you don't run across prima donna too often in the grand ole opry
times eh goober,
actually, it occcurs to me that you should, lot's of hillbilly prima donnas
down in Nashville,

yall just never knew the meaning of the term right, and you'll pay attention
to the Gator from now on,

let's see, thats gator 180, Hillbillies 0

2. a temperamental person; a person who takes adulation and privileged
treatment as a right and reacts with petulance to criticism or inconvenience




pri
 
"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185259935.788281.130480@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 24, 12:16 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote:

> read more
 
"Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote:

>
> "Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:jxhpi.1085$Ok5.516@trndny02...
>> "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>> In a job like yours it doesn't make much difference. As long as you

>> remember to ask "Would you like fries with that?".

>
> aren't you embarrassed using a juvenile insult like that, which is so
> lame it needs a wheel chair ?,
>
>
> I realize you hillbillies don't have much, but many times it's better
> to remain silent
>
> and be thought the fool, than to speak and remove all doubt,


Then why did you do it?
 
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