Guest zeez Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 There is absolutely NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for a hospital to allow a PATIENT TO DIE ON THE WAITING ROOM FLOOR and have the staff IGNORE her as SHE DIES IN AGONY! People must go to prison for this, this is no less than murder through neglect. (page is down on site, here's Google cache of it: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:0gClOyB1LeEJ:go.sosd.com/servlet/nrp%3Fcmd%3Dsty%26cid%3DRIM%26pgn%3D1%26ino%3D1159823%26cat%3DCalifornia%26lno%3D5+king+drew+medical+center+perforated+bowel Pressure to shut L.A.'s King hospital after woman dies on ER floor By Robert Jablon ASSOCIATED PRESS 5:24 p.m. June 13, 2007 LOS ANGELES -- Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital, once a symbol of hope in the inner city, struggled Wednesday to survive amid new reports of breakdowns in patient care, the replacement of its chief medical officer and an ultimatum to correct long-running problems or close. The treatment of a woman who was ignored as she died on the floor of the emergency room last month "was callous, it was a horrible thing," Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne Burke said. Earlier this week, the county Board of Supervisors grilled health officials about conditions at the public hospital and ordered them to return in two weeks with a plan to deal with a hospital shutdown if it is unable to correct deficiencies laid out in a federal inspection that concluded emergency room patients were in "immediate jeopardy." The federal decision was based, in part, on a report that in February a man with a brain tumor waited four days in the emergency room when he needed to be transferred to another facility for lifesaving brain surgery. Juan Ponce told KABC-TV Wednesday that he was ignored after initially being seen by a doctor. "He never come back," he said in broken English. "Better they change the hospital ... fast," Ponce said. After the inspection last week, the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services gave the hospital 23 days to correct problems or face a loss of federal funding that provides much of its budget. That could force it to close. Burke said the county-run hospital, which handles 49,000 emergency patients a year, is a crucial facility and efforts should be made to keep it open because nearby hospitals could not handle the load. "I can't tell you whether it can be fixed but ... the community can not stand to lose another emergency room," she said. Dr. Roger Peeks, the hospital's chief medical officer, was placed on "ordered absence" Monday and replaced on an interim basis by Dr. Robert Splawn, the county Department of Health Services' senior medical director. Health department spokesman Michael Wilson confirmed the change but declined to elaborate Wednesday, citing privacy requirements involving personnel matters. Health officials are "doing everything in our power to help MLK-Harbor meet national standards," Dr. Bruce Chernof, director and chief medical officer of health department, said in a statement. In a report to the supervisors on Tuesday, Chernof said quality of care had improved but warned that there was no "roadmap" for what he called the most difficult effort to "reinvent a failing hospital" ever undertaken in the United States. The hospital has served "thousands of patients well and a few very poorly," he said. Weeding out poor nursing has been a major issue. Chernof reported that 47 percent of the hospital's licensed vocational nurses failed recent nursing skills tests initially, although most passed after retraining. The hospital, formerly known as Martin Luther King Jr.-Drew Medical Center, was built in unincorporated Willowbrook several years after the 1965 Watts riot to provide badly needed medical care in the South Los Angeles area. However, it has been cited more than a dozen times in 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 9 Trillion Dollar Republican Natio Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 On Jun 20, 1:43 am, zeez <Ultim...@excite.com> wrote: > There is absolutely NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for a hospital to allow > a PATIENT TO DIE ON THE WAITING ROOM FLOOR and have the staff > IGNORE her as SHE DIES IN AGONY! People must go to prison for this, > this is no less than murder through neglect. > > (page is down on site, here's Google cache of it:http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:0gClOyB1LeEJ:go.sosd.com/servlet/... > > Pressure to shut L.A.'s King hospital after woman dies on ER floor By > Robert Jablon ASSOCIATED PRESS > > 5:24 p.m. June 13, 2007 > > LOS ANGELES -- Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital, once a symbol > of hope in the inner city, struggled Wednesday to survive amid new > reports of breakdowns in patient care, the replacement of its chief > medical officer and an ultimatum to correct long-running problems or > close. > > The treatment of a woman who was ignored as she died on the floor of > the emergency room last month "was callous, it was a horrible thing," > Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne Burke said. > > Earlier this week, the county Board of Supervisors grilled health > officials about conditions at the public hospital and ordered them to > return in two weeks with a plan to deal with a hospital shutdown if it > is unable to correct deficiencies laid out in a federal inspection > that concluded emergency room patients were in "immediate jeopardy." > > The federal decision was based, in part, on a report that in February > a man with a brain tumor waited four days in the emergency room when > he needed to be transferred to another facility for lifesaving brain > surgery. > > Juan Ponce told KABC-TV Wednesday that he was ignored after initially > being seen by a doctor. > > "He never come back," he said in broken English. > > "Better they change the hospital ... fast," Ponce said. > > After the inspection last week, the federal Centers for Medicare and > Medicaid Services gave the hospital 23 days to correct problems or > face a loss of federal funding that provides much of its budget. That > could force it to close. > > Burke said the county-run hospital, which handles 49,000 emergency > patients a year, is a crucial facility and efforts should be made to > keep it open because nearby hospitals could not handle the load. > > "I can't tell you whether it can be fixed but ... the community can > not stand to lose another emergency room," she said. > > Dr. Roger Peeks, the hospital's chief medical officer, was placed on > "ordered absence" Monday and replaced on an interim basis by Dr. > Robert Splawn, the county Department of Health Services' senior > medical director. Health department spokesman Michael Wilson confirmed > the change but declined to elaborate Wednesday, citing privacy > requirements involving personnel matters. > > Health officials are "doing everything in our power to help MLK-Harbor > meet national standards," Dr. Bruce Chernof, director and chief > medical officer of health department, said in a statement. > > In a report to the supervisors on Tuesday, Chernof said quality of > care had improved but warned that there was no "roadmap" for what he > called the most difficult effort to "reinvent a failing hospital" ever > undertaken in the United States. > > The hospital has served "thousands of patients well and a few very > poorly," he said. > > Weeding out poor nursing has been a major issue. Chernof reported that > 47 percent of the hospital's licensed vocational nurses failed recent > nursing skills tests initially, although most passed after retraining. > > The hospital, formerly known as Martin Luther King Jr.-Drew Medical > Center, was built in unincorporated Willowbrook several years after > the 1965 Watts riot to provide badly needed medical care in the South > Los Angeles area. However, it has been cited more than a dozen times > in 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 9 Trillion Dollar Republican Natio Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 just the other night I was being told by some stupid Bush supporter that America has the best medical care in the world, "second to none" I think the stupid ass said.. gee, I'd hate to think how bad it is elsewhere if this is "second to none" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joe S. Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 "zeez" <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote in message news:1182318213.738391.255330@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com... There is absolutely NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for a hospital to allow a PATIENT TO DIE ON THE WAITING ROOM FLOOR and have the staff IGNORE her as SHE DIES IN AGONY! People must go to prison for this, this is no less than murder through neglect. She did not have insurance. Let her lie there -- better yet, drag her outside so she doesn't take up space that could be used by a paying customer. (page is down on site, here's Google cache of it: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:0gClOyB1LeEJ:go.sosd.com/servlet/nrp%3Fcmd%3Dsty%26cid%3DRIM%26pgn%3D1%26ino%3D1159823%26cat%3DCalifornia%26lno%3D5+king+drew+medical+center+perforated+bowel Pressure to shut L.A.'s King hospital after woman dies on ER floor By Robert Jablon ASSOCIATED PRESS 5:24 p.m. June 13, 2007 LOS ANGELES -- Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital, once a symbol of hope in the inner city, struggled Wednesday to survive amid new reports of breakdowns in patient care, the replacement of its chief medical officer and an ultimatum to correct long-running problems or close. The treatment of a woman who was ignored as she died on the floor of the emergency room last month "was callous, it was a horrible thing," Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne Burke said. Earlier this week, the county Board of Supervisors grilled health officials about conditions at the public hospital and ordered them to return in two weeks with a plan to deal with a hospital shutdown if it is unable to correct deficiencies laid out in a federal inspection that concluded emergency room patients were in "immediate jeopardy." The federal decision was based, in part, on a report that in February a man with a brain tumor waited four days in the emergency room when he needed to be transferred to another facility for lifesaving brain surgery. Juan Ponce told KABC-TV Wednesday that he was ignored after initially being seen by a doctor. "He never come back," he said in broken English. "Better they change the hospital ... fast," Ponce said. After the inspection last week, the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services gave the hospital 23 days to correct problems or face a loss of federal funding that provides much of its budget. That could force it to close. Burke said the county-run hospital, which handles 49,000 emergency patients a year, is a crucial facility and efforts should be made to keep it open because nearby hospitals could not handle the load. "I can't tell you whether it can be fixed but ... the community can not stand to lose another emergency room," she said. Dr. Roger Peeks, the hospital's chief medical officer, was placed on "ordered absence" Monday and replaced on an interim basis by Dr. Robert Splawn, the county Department of Health Services' senior medical director. Health department spokesman Michael Wilson confirmed the change but declined to elaborate Wednesday, citing privacy requirements involving personnel matters. Health officials are "doing everything in our power to help MLK-Harbor meet national standards," Dr. Bruce Chernof, director and chief medical officer of health department, said in a statement. In a report to the supervisors on Tuesday, Chernof said quality of care had improved but warned that there was no "roadmap" for what he called the most difficult effort to "reinvent a failing hospital" ever undertaken in the United States. The hospital has served "thousands of patients well and a few very poorly," he said. Weeding out poor nursing has been a major issue. Chernof reported that 47 percent of the hospital's licensed vocational nurses failed recent nursing skills tests initially, although most passed after retraining. The hospital, formerly known as Martin Luther King Jr.-Drew Medical Center, was built in unincorporated Willowbrook several years after the 1965 Watts riot to provide badly needed medical care in the South Los Angeles area. However, it has been cited more than a dozen times in 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeez Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 On Jun 20, 4:29 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote: > "zeez" <Ultim...@excite.com> wrote in message > > news:1182318213.738391.255330@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > There is absolutely NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for a hospital to allow > a PATIENT TO DIE ON THE WAITING ROOM FLOOR and have the staff > IGNORE her as SHE DIES IN AGONY! People must go to prison for this, > this is no less than murder through neglect. > > She did not have insurance. Let her lie there -- better yet, drag her > outside so she doesn't take up space that could be used by a paying > customer. > I really fucking hope this is a joke on your part. This is the most evil thing I've read in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grendel Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 On Jun 20, 6:29 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote: > "zeez" <Ultim...@excite.com> wrote in message > > news:1182318213.738391.255330@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > There is absolutely NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for a hospital to allow > a PATIENT TO DIE ON THE WAITING ROOM FLOOR and have the staff > IGNORE her as SHE DIES IN AGONY! People must go to prison for this, > this is no less than murder through neglect. > > She did not have insurance. Let her lie there -- better yet, drag her > outside so she doesn't take up space that could be used by a paying > customer. I doubt insurance, or lack of it, had anything to do with the problem. Given the location of the hospital, and the fact that it is named for MLK, then I doubt very many of its patients have insurance. Most likely the problem is that with this being an 'inner city' hospital named 'Martin Luther King', the hiring requirements probably depend more on 'diversity' rather than 'experience' (i.e. being black counts for more than being a competent nurse)...consider it Affirmative Action at its best. Yol Bolsun, Grendel. "Life as we know it" does not exist.-Solomon Short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neoconis_ignoramus Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 On Jun 21, 10:08 am, Grendel <wstho...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Jun 20, 6:29 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote: > > > "zeez" <Ultim...@excite.com> wrote in message > > >news:1182318213.738391.255330@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > There is absolutely NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for a hospital to allow > > a PATIENT TO DIE ON THE WAITING ROOM FLOOR and have the staff > > IGNORE her as SHE DIES IN AGONY! People must go to prison for this, > > this is no less than murder through neglect. > > > She did not have insurance. Let her lie there -- better yet, drag her > > outside so she doesn't take up space that could be used by a paying > > customer. > > I doubt insurance, or lack of it, had anything to do with the > problem. Given the location of the hospital, and the fact that it is > named for MLK, then I doubt very many of its patients have insurance. > > Most likely the problem is that with this being an 'inner city' > hospital named 'Martin Luther King', the hiring requirements probably > depend more on 'diversity' rather than 'experience' (i.e. being black > counts for more than being a competent nurse)...consider it > Affirmative Action at its best. > > Yol Bolsun, > Grendel. > > "Life as we know it" does not exist.-Solomon Short. What, Yol Dummy is wrong again? I'm shocked. I do like the thinly veiled racism, though. Having worked in healthcare for the last 10 years in the LA area, I think I can opine with a little more credibility than the rantings of pea-brained Grendel and his laughably stupid suppositions on a subject he clearly knows nothing about. The issue had nothing to do with Yol Dummy's perception that diversity leads to lack of qualified ER attendants. The problem with King-Drew hospital is that since it's county-run and the county is financially strapped, a serious staffing shortage has been created. This woman died in the ER because basically there were no resources (doctors) available to treat her at the time. As a matter of fact King-Drew is well known in the area for being on the cutting edge for treating gunshot victims, since they get so many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grendel Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 On Jun 21, 12:19 pm, neoconis_ignoramus <bellamac...@verizon.net> wrote: > On Jun 21, 10:08 am, Grendel <wstho...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 6:29 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote: > > > > "zeez" <Ultim...@excite.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1182318213.738391.255330@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > There is absolutely NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for a hospital to allow > > > a PATIENT TO DIE ON THE WAITING ROOM FLOOR and have the staff > > > IGNORE her as SHE DIES IN AGONY! People must go to prison for this, > > > this is no less than murder through neglect. > > > > She did not have insurance. Let her lie there -- better yet, drag her > > > outside so she doesn't take up space that could be used by a paying > > > customer. > > > I doubt insurance, or lack of it, had anything to do with the > > problem. Given the location of the hospital, and the fact that it is > > named for MLK, then I doubt very many of its patients have insurance. > > > Most likely the problem is that with this being an 'inner city' > > hospital named 'Martin Luther King', the hiring requirements probably > > depend more on 'diversity' rather than 'experience' (i.e. being black > > counts for more than being a competent nurse)...consider it > > Affirmative Action at its best. > > > Yol Bolsun, > > Grendel. > > > "Life as we know it" does not exist.-Solomon Short. > > What, Yol Dummy is wrong again? I'm shocked. I do like the thinly > veiled racism, though. > > Having worked in healthcare for the last 10 years in the LA area, I > think I can opine with a little more credibility than the rantings of > pea-brained Grendel and his laughably stupid suppositions on a subject > he clearly knows nothing about. Yes, with 10 years in healthcare you probabaly have more experience. I do know that, locally, the nurses who graduate from the accredited local university and pass their NCLEX-RN on the first try (both 'diverse' and 'non-diverse' nurses) get jobs at the respected hospitals..and the nurses who go to the local 'diverse' college (which is on probation for stealing federal funds..amoung other things, they had a 87 year old grandmother listed on a basketball scholorship) and have to continually attempt to pass the NCLEX-RN..tend to be hired at the local, inner-city, county run hospital..but strangely enough, only the 'diverse' ones who are unqualified..the caucasion nurses who are unqualified are never considered. > The issue had nothing to do with Yol Dummy's perception that diversity > leads to lack of qualified ER attendants. Diversity does not lead to lack of qualified ER attendants, as if you are a qualified ER attendant, it does not matter what your color is. My beef is with the hospital administrations who give preference based on color rather than qualifications (i.e. a lesser qualified nurse of color is hired over a better qualified white nurse...(that does not equate to me stating that white nurses are better, there are plenty of less than qualified white nurses, also...they just don't have a minority status to help them along...rightfully so...NO unqualified nurse should be given preference for the simple reason it helps the 'diversity' factor...you can either do the job or not)). > The problem with King-Drew > hospital is that since it's county-run and the county is financially > strapped, a serious staffing shortage has been created. This woman > died in the ER because basically there were no resources (doctors) > available to treat her at the time. > > As a matter of fact King-Drew is well known in the area for being on > the cutting edge for treating gunshot victims, since they get so many Yes, funding is always an issue. But, especially in any county run facility, 'diversity' has more weight in hiring than 'experience' (after all, the county does not want to get sued..and they can avoid this by demonstrating how 'diverse' they are). And this is true in many fields. To be promoted to Sergeant on the local Sheriff's Department you have to pass a written test. In an effort to be 'diverse', local authorities demanded that for every 'non- diverse' officer that was promoted to Sergeant, a 'diverse' also had to be promoted. Currently, there are 23 'non-diverse' officers who have passed the test and met all qualifications..but are having to wait until a 'diverse' officers pass the test...this is not because the 'diverse' officers can't..there's just not that many of them on the force. But, it makes the authorities feel better. Real life situation: Four people are up for a job as a chemical operator at a local gas refinery. The possible hirees are: White Male who had 15+ years as a chemical operator. Black Male who had 5 years working various jobs in a chemical plant. White Female who had swept floors in a chemical plant (and EMT experience). Black Female who was overheard stating, "I ain't never set no foot in no chemical plant my whole life." Which two get the job? The two females who, while not having any actual experience as a chemical operator..did between them satisfy THREE minority slots (female & black female). Yol Bolsun, Grendel. "Life as we know it" does not exist.-Solomon Short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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