Guest big kitty Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 It's early in the Presidental race and alot of people still don't have a clue how to answer the question "How will you vote this year?" I was sitting back, thinking about doing research into how i should vote this year and taking my friends' opions into account when I realized something. In past years, alot of people have voted for "the lesser of two evils." I am not sure thats' how the whole democratic process is supposed to work. A handfull of the people i talked to said they are going to be one issue voters this year and no Bender it wasn't dependent upon Sarah Palin being the next pin up girl. Still another group talked about voting for the underdog just so they could have deniablity for whomever was elected. So with all of that in play I am still looking for the answer to the question - who will I vote for. I am not a strick Republican or Democrate. I typically vote for the person I think will do the best job. It's a novel idea I know but that's what I have tried to do. The problem is I don't see the next great President in the field once again. I did not see one the last few elections so I should be use to this. So I am turning to my fellow JustBs writers to see what the opinion is and why. So here is the question to you and I know if i dug though the threads I would more than likely see my answer or even the same question but hell I am lazy..... Who will you vote for this year and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I live in Texas. Texas is not a battleground state so I do not want to hear how a third party vote is a waste. Personally, I must vote for a true believer in a smaller government. I will either vote Libertarian or write in Ron Paul. We are leaving an awful burden for our children and grandchildren. Whatever happened to the Goldwater Republicans, who believed in small government and balanced budgets? Tax cuts do not pay for themselves. See the second quote on my signature. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wez Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Ron Paul.. no question. Jesse 2012! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution ... or have failed their purpose ... or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is 'needed' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should be attacked for neglecting my constituents' 'interests,' I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty, and in that cause I am doing the very best I can." Barry Goldwater I might write in Barry, What disturbs me is both the Democratic Congress and the Republican Administration have disapproval ratings of about 70% but 95+% of voters will stick to the two parties. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImWithStupid Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I don't live in a probable battleground state either, but I really don't know if I can pull the lever for either McCain or Obama. As for Barr, he just isn't quite there for the office, even though I agree with many of his talking points, I just don't see the substance of action behind them. Ron Paul would be one of my choices if it wasn't for his isolationist foreign policy stance. As for small government and reduced spending, I'm all for it. I really don't have a candidate in the race or a write in that I could whole heartedly back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreakwars Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I will be voting for Obama... main reason... politics aside, I feel John McCain is a war monger. America needs to rebuild, not re-deploy. I really don't give a damn if we do go into a depression or not, I don't care about the first or second amendments, I just want the world to go on a path of peace for once. War does NOT equal PEACE. I don't care how you wanna spin it or justify it. If a poll was taken with THE ENTIRE WORLD and not just Americans, the ENTIRE WORLD wants Obama. Again, you can try and scoff at the rest of the world and it's ideals, but in this WORLD WIDE economy, the smarter choice is going with the guy the WORLD approves of. I actually despise America for being so arrogant and self serving with it's own ambitions. Sure this might benefit YOU AND YOURSELF personally, but in the long run, the WORLD needs someone who is willing to co-operate with EVERYONE.... even it's enemies... this, I believe is the only true path to world peace, and world economic growth... that is why I will be voting for Obama. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 The rest of the world consists of a bunch of damn commies. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I will be voting for Obama... main reason... politics aside, I feel John McCain is a war monger. America needs to rebuild, not re-deploy. I really don't give a damn if we do go into a depression or not, I don't care about the first or second amendments, I just want the world to go on a path of peace for once. War does NOT equal PEACE. I don't care how you wanna spin it or justify it. If a poll was taken with THE ENTIRE WORLD and not just Americans, the ENTIRE WORLD wants Obama. Again, you can try and scoff at the rest of the world and it's ideals, but in this WORLD WIDE economy, the smarter choice is going with the guy the WORLD approves of. I actually despise America for being so arrogant and self serving with it's own ambitions. Sure this might benefit YOU AND YOURSELF personally, but in the long run, the WORLD needs someone who is willing to co-operate with EVERYONE.... even it's enemies... this, I believe is the only true path to world peace, and world economic growth... that is why I will be voting for Obama. . . That's a hoot! LMAO! Obama, the man that establishes world peace! We're going to war no matter who's president and I want boots on the ground ASAP. Not someone who thinks they can sit down as president and have an effect on a person like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. That shows you Obama has no clue what so ever. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImWithStupid Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I will be voting for Obama... main reason... politics aside, I feel John McCain is a war monger. America needs to rebuild, not re-deploy. I really don't give a damn if we do go into a depression or not, I don't care about the first or second amendments, I just want the world to go on a path of peace for once. War does NOT equal PEACE. I don't care how you wanna spin it or justify it. If a poll was taken with THE ENTIRE WORLD and not just Americans, the ENTIRE WORLD wants Obama. Again, you can try and scoff at the rest of the world and it's ideals, but in this WORLD WIDE economy, the smarter choice is going with the guy the WORLD approves of. I actually despise America for being so arrogant and self serving with it's own ambitions. Sure this might benefit YOU AND YOURSELF personally, but in the long run, the WORLD needs someone who is willing to co-operate with EVERYONE.... even it's enemies... this, I believe is the only true path to world peace, and world economic growth... that is why I will be voting for Obama. . . Obama openly stated that he would invade Pakistan. He want to bail on Iraq and put those troops in Afghanistan. Obama wants to invade and bomb Pakistan that is a current ally of the US, a nuclear power, a Islamc nation, who is on the verge, with it's new government of becoming anti-American, if provoked. Yea, that's not war mongering. Yet, McCain is the "war monger". As far as the "Depression" thing. It should be more of a concern to you than any foreign policy of any candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Perenna Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I will be voting for Obama... main reason... politics aside, I feel John McCain is a war monger. America needs to rebuild, not re-deploy. I really don't give a damn if we do go into a depression or not, I don't care about the first or second amendments, I just want the world to go on a path of peace for once. War does NOT equal PEACE. I don't care how you wanna spin it or justify it. If a poll was taken with THE ENTIRE WORLD and not just Americans, the ENTIRE WORLD wants Obama. Again, you can try and scoff at the rest of the world and it's ideals, but in this WORLD WIDE economy, the smarter choice is going with the guy the WORLD approves of. I actually despise America for being so arrogant and self serving with it's own ambitions. Sure this might benefit YOU AND YOURSELF personally, but in the long run, the WORLD needs someone who is willing to co-operate with EVERYONE.... even it's enemies... this, I believe is the only true path to world peace, and world economic growth... that is why I will be voting for Obama. . . I never thought I'd see an American write something like this..... I'd rep you if I could!! Quote _______________________________________________________ I don't know how to put this, but ... I'm kind of a big deal. http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/da43a2f8a710897a421f74efa00eba9a.jpg I'm still here. I'm still a fool for the holy grail Not all gay men send me penis pictures. But no straight men do. And to date, no woman has sent me a picture of her vaginal canal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I never thought I'd see an American write something like this..... I'd rep you if I could!! Yeah Bender is a true American. But like Michael he lives in Never Never Land. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreakwars Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Obama openly stated that he would invade Pakistan. He want to bail on Iraq and put those troops in Afghanistan. Obama wants to invade and bomb Pakistan that is a current ally of the US, a nuclear power, a Islamc nation, who is on the verge, with it's new government of becoming anti-American, if provoked. Yea, that's not war mongering. Yet, McCain is the "war monger". As far as the "Depression" thing. It should be more of a concern to you than any foreign policy of any candidate.To make it short and sweet, Obama is quite simply.. willing to go after the REAL enemy to our Freedom, dis him all you want, try and focus blame all you want, the truth is there. War is NOT preventable, I don't care who is in charge, the LOGICAL choice when going to war, is to fight your TRUE enemies. Obama is for war, absolutely,but he is for war with our TRUE enemies. That, IMHO, is a JUSTIFIED war, unlike Iraq. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 To make it short and sweet, Obama is quite simply.. willing to go after the REAL enemy to our Freedom, dis him all you want, try and focus blame all you want, the truth is there. War is NOT preventable, I don't care who is in charge, the LOGICAL choice when going to war, is to fight your TRUE enemies. Obama is for war, absolutely,but he is for war with our TRUE enemies. That, IMOH, is a JUSTIFIED war, unlike Iraq. . . Bin Laden is the enemy your talking about. He is living in a cave and can't effectively attack us. No matter who is the president at the time and we have a shot at him we will. But you don't go in and invade an ally country. You just don't do it. We have bigger fish to fry anyway. We have Iran, N. Korea and now Russia. Do you think Obama has the world peace plan? Think again. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreakwars Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Bin Laden is the enemy your talking about.Stop right THERE. That is all the further you need to go. That is all the further we need to hunt. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Stop right THERE. That is all the further you need to go. That is all the further we need to hunt. . . Bender we are. Every single day we have troops looking for him. But in order for these Pakistani out posts to co-operate is not to attack them. That will get the whole country against us. That my friend would be war mongering at its' finest. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What Obama is saying is to have more troops and cross the boarder invading an ally. Now I agree with Obama in that this tactic of hit us and run back across the boadrer is ludicrous. But McCain understands this too. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImWithStupid Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 To make it short and sweet, Obama is quite simply.. willing to go after the REAL enemy to our Freedom, dis him all you want, try and focus blame all you want, the truth is there. War is NOT preventable, I don't care who is in charge, the LOGICAL choice when going to war, is to fight your TRUE enemies. Obama is for war, absolutely,but he is for war with our TRUE enemies. That, IMOH, is a JUSTIFIED war, unlike Iraq. . . What you don't realize about Iraq is that McCain has been at odds with the strategy in Iraq since shortly after it's inception. He has just been a realist as far as what to do. He has been stating that regardless of how we got here, unlike Obama, it is more important to come out with a winning strategy than one of cut and run and let our enemies fill the void. McCain was with Colin Powell from the beginning who said we didn't have enough troops to accomplish the goals we wanted to accomplish. McCain for years wanted an increase in troops to help end the conflict early. Bush and Rumsfeld didn't listen. Obama had nothing but a talking point. One that proved to be wrong as far as a troop increase in Iraq is concerned. McCain is also understanding of the fact that Pakistan is an ally and a nuclear power, with an unstable government. To willy nilly invade their soverign territory as Obama would lie to let us believe would be irresponsible and dangerous, regardless of where Osama Bin Laden and Al Quiada is hanging out. McCain understands the difference between Chicago style politics and foreign policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What you don't realize about Iraq is that McCain has been at odds with the strategy in Iraq since shortly after it's inception. He has just been a realist as far as what to do. He has been stating that regardless of how we got here, unlike Obama, it is more important to come out with a winning strategy than one of cut and run and let our enemies fill the void. McCain was with Colin Powell from the beginning who said we didn't have enough troops to accomplish the goals we wanted to accomplish. McCain for years wanted an increase in troops to help end the conflict early. Bush and Rumsfeld didn't listen. Obama had nothing but a talking point. One that proved to be wrong as far as a troop increase in Iraq is concerned. McCain is also understanding of the fact that Pakistan is an ally and a nuclear power, with an unstable government. To willy nilly invade their soverign territory as Obama would lie to let us believe would be irresponsible and dangerous, regardless of where Osama Bin Laden and Al Quiada is hanging out. McCain understands the difference between Chicago style politics and foreign policy. Yeah like in his speech he said "you don't say something like that out loud. If you need to do something you do it." If we find out were he is and the Pakistanis won't take care of it we will unilaterally take him out and then defend our actions later. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreakwars Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What you don't realize about Iraq is that McCain has been at odds with the strategy in Iraq since shortly after it's inception. He has just been a realist as far as what to do. He has been stating that regardless of how we got here, unlike Obama, it is more important to come out with a winning strategy than one of cut and run and let our enemies fill the void. McCain was with Colin Powell from the beginning who said we didn't have enough troops to accomplish the goals we wanted to accomplish. McCain for years wanted an increase in troops to help end the conflict early. Bush and Rumsfeld didn't listen. Obama had nothing but a talking point. One that proved to be wrong as far as a troop increase in Iraq is concerned. McCain is also understanding of the fact that Pakistan is an ally and a nuclear power, with an unstable government. To willy nilly invade their soverign territory as Obama would lie to let us believe would be irresponsible and dangerous, regardless of where Osama Bin Laden and Al Quiada is hanging out. McCain understands the difference between Chicago style politics and foreign policy.What YOU don't understand is ever since McCain stated his BS position, Obama has scoffed at his BS ''Chicago style" rebuttal as a typical GOP diversion tactic of the VERY REAL issue of Terrorism in America. REALISTICALLY, WHO IS YOUR ENEMY? Iraq? , , Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What YOU don't understand is ever since McCain stated his BS position, Obama has scoffed at his BS ''Chicago style" rebuttal as a typical GOP diversion tactic of the VERY REAL issue of Terrorism in America. REALISTICALLY, WHO IS YOUR ENEMY? Iraq? , , Who's our enemy Bender? Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreakwars Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Who's our enemy Bender?Is it IRAQ snafu? Tell me, IS IT? Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Is it IRAQ snafu? Tell me, IS IT? No but the radical Islamic insurgents are. And we got them all together where we want them. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 We're not fighting Iraq. We're fighting IN Iraq. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Salt Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I'll just interject this and then butt back out (it's time to go to bed anyway): There will be another war shortly, no matter which candidate gets elected. I know how that sounds but I'm a realist. I would prefer someone who will fight to win, not a politician who will stop the military one step short of victory and try to talk the enemy to death. The threat of military force is a major diplomatic tool. But once you take that tool out of the toolbox it's time to let the trained mechanic use it, not a shade-tree mechanic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImWithStupid Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What YOU don't understand is ever since McCain stated his BS position, Obama has scoffed at his BS ''Chicago style" rebuttal as a typical GOP diversion tactic of the VERY REAL issue of Terrorism in America. REALISTICALLY, WHO IS YOUR ENEMY? Iraq? , , Without any stance on the issue. Obama, even though he has done nothing but follow the normal Daley Chicago style politics, even when he had the opportunity to back those who would have usurped the status quo, Obama backed the Daley machine even if it went against what he supposedly was for, just to advance his political career. Even after many scandals were made public about Mayor Daley and his friends, Obama refused to not only call them out, or even back those who were their political competition, he continued to back Daley and his cronies that would advance Obama's career. This isn't speculation its record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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