Illegal Aliens "Self Deport" as Woes Mount

Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

PHOENIX (Reuters) - Mexican illegal immigrant Lindi sat down with her husband Marco

Antonio in the weeks before Christmas to decide when to go back to Mexico.

She has spent three years working as a hairdresser in and around Phoenix, but now she

figures it is time to go back to her hometown of Aguascalientes in central Mexico.

"The situation has got so tough that there don't seem to be many options left for

us," Lindi, who asked for her last name not to be used, told Reuters.

The couple are among a growing number of illegal immigrants across the United States

who are starting to pack their bags and move on as a crackdown on undocumented

immigrants widens and the U.S. economy slows, turning a traditional Christmas trek

home into a one-way trip.

In the past year, U.S. immigration police have stepped up workplace sweeps across the

country and teamed up with a growing number of local forces to train officers to

enforce immigration laws.

Meanwhile, a bill seeking to offer many of the 12 million illegal immigrants a path

to legal status was tossed by the U.S. Congress, spurring many state and local

authorities to pass their own measures targeting illegal immigrants.

The toughening environment has been coupled with a turndown in the U.S. economy,

which has tipped the balance toward self deportation for many illegal immigrants left

struggling to find work.

"It is still just a thought, although we are preparing to leave," said Ernesto

Garcia, a carpenter from Caborca in northwest Mexico, who stood in line at the

Mexican consulate in Phoenix this week for paperwork that will allow him and his

family to resume their lives south of the border.

PACKING THEIR BAGS

There is no tally of the number of illegal immigrants who have already left the

United States, many of whom simply head south over the border with their belongings

packed into a car during the annual Christmas exodus, or board scheduled flights for

other destinations.

Mexican consular sources in Phoenix say they are seeing a spike in the number of

immigrants applying for Mexican citizenship for their U.S.-born children, which will

allow them to enroll in schools in Mexico.

They are also seeing a rise in requests for papers enabling families to carry

household belongings back to Mexico, free of import duties.

Members of the Brazilian community in the U.S. northeast, meanwhile, say they are

starting to see an increase in the number of illegal immigrants heading back to their

homes in Brazil in recent months.

"They are beginning to put in the balance the constant fear of being detained and

deported, and many are deciding to leave," said Fausto Mendes da Rocha, executive

director of the Brazilian Immigrant Center in Boston.

Other returning immigrants cite a slowdown in the U.S. economy as a factor, and the

falling value of the U.S. dollar against other currencies, which has eaten into the

value of remittances sent to support families at home.

Aluisio Carvalho, 66, left a wife and four children behind in Brazil in 2001 when he

set off to find work in Boston. Since then, he has managed to pay for the education

of his children by working in a restaurant, but is now planning to leave himself in

February

"Salaries are really low, and living costs are high. We also face too much

exploitation at work here, too many demands," he said.

MOVING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES

While some illegal immigrants are simply self deporting, others are moving within the

United States to avoid federal immigration raids and pro-enforcement measures passed

by a patchwork of state and local authorities.

Among them are undocumented immigrants in Marshalltown, Iowa, where Mexicans and

Central Americans workers at a Swift & Co meatpacking plant were arrested during

coordinated immigration raids across six states a year ago that netted hundreds of

employees.

Moses Garcia, a U.S. citizen who came from Mexico 18 years ago and knew many of the

families affected by the 2006 raid through his church and real estate work, said most

of the workers have left to other states, not back to Mexico.

"They feel like they are not welcome here," Garcia said. "They go to Minnesota,

Atlanta, Nebraska, California."

In Arizona, where some specially trained sheriff's deputies already enforce

immigration laws and a new state law sanctioning businesses hiring undocumented

workers is due to come in to effect January 1, many illegal immigrants are eyeing a

move to states they see as less hostile.

Among them is day laborer Fernando Gutierrez who trekked illegally into the desert

state 18 months ago from Mexico, and is now thinking of joining a cousin working in

Oregon in the Pacific northwest.

"Everyone lives in fear of the police stopping you for some minor infraction and then

asking for your papers," Gutierrez said as he touted for work in the chill morning

air at a Phoenix day labor site.

"I want to get as far away from here as possible."

(Additional reporting by Adriana Garcia in Washington and Andrea Hopkins in

Marshalltown; Editing by Eddie Evans)

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com

wrote:

>On Dec 24, 11:29

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:01:10 -0600, Starkiller

<NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com

>wrote:

>

>>On Dec 24, 11:29

AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in

news:gm11n315b7vrmdaqsi36n28lsdpebhe6gq@4ax.com:

> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

>

> PHOENIX (Reuters) - Mexican illegal immigrant Lindi sat down with her

> husband Marco Antonio in the weeks before Christmas to decide when to

> go back to Mexico.

>

> She has spent three years working as a hairdresser in and around

> Phoenix, but now she figures it is time to go back to her hometown of

> Aguascalientes in central Mexico.

>

> "The situation has got so tough that there don't seem to be many

> options left for us," Lindi, who asked for her last name not to be

> used, told Reuters.

>

> The couple are among a growing number of illegal immigrants across the

> United States who are starting to pack their bags and move on as a

> crackdown on undocumented immigrants widens and the U.S. economy

> slows, turning a traditional Christmas trek home into a one-way trip.

>

> In the past year, U.S. immigration police have stepped up workplace

> sweeps across the country and teamed up with a growing number of local

> forces to train officers to enforce immigration laws.

>

> Meanwhile, a bill seeking to offer many of the 12 million illegal

> immigrants a path to legal status was tossed by the U.S. Congress,

> spurring many state and local authorities to pass their own measures

> targeting illegal immigrants.

>

> The toughening environment has been coupled with a turndown in the

> U.S. economy, which has tipped the balance toward self deportation for

> many illegal immigrants left struggling to find work.

>

> "It is still just a thought, although we are preparing to leave," said

> Ernesto Garcia, a carpenter from Caborca in northwest Mexico, who

> stood in line at the Mexican consulate in Phoenix this week for

> paperwork that will allow him and his family to resume their lives

> south of the border.

>

> PACKING THEIR BAGS

>

> There is no tally of the number of illegal immigrants who have already

> left the United States, many of whom simply head south over the border

> with their belongings packed into a car during the annual Christmas

> exodus, or board scheduled flights for other destinations.

>

> Mexican consular sources in Phoenix say they are seeing a spike in the

> number of immigrants applying for Mexican citizenship for their

> U.S.-born children, which will allow them to enroll in schools in

> Mexico.

>

> They are also seeing a rise in requests for papers enabling families

> to carry household belongings back to Mexico, free of import duties.

>

> Members of the Brazilian community in the U.S. northeast, meanwhile,

> say they are starting to see an increase in the number of illegal

> immigrants heading back to their homes in Brazil in recent months.

>

> "They are beginning to put in the balance the constant fear of being

> detained and deported, and many are deciding to leave," said Fausto

> Mendes da Rocha, executive director of the Brazilian Immigrant Center

> in Boston.

>

> Other returning immigrants cite a slowdown in the U.S. economy as a

> factor, and the falling value of the U.S. dollar against other

> currencies, which has eaten into the value of remittances sent to

> support families at home.

>

> Aluisio Carvalho, 66, left a wife and four children behind in Brazil

> in 2001 when he set off to find work in Boston. Since then, he has

> managed to pay for the education of his children by working in a

> restaurant, but is now planning to leave himself in February

>

> "Salaries are really low, and living costs are high. We also face too

> much exploitation at work here, too many demands," he said.

>

> MOVING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES

>

> While some illegal immigrants are simply self deporting, others are

> moving within the United States to avoid federal immigration raids and

> pro-enforcement measures passed by a patchwork of state and local

> authorities.

>

> Among them are undocumented immigrants in Marshalltown, Iowa, where

> Mexicans and Central Americans workers at a Swift & Co meatpacking

> plant were arrested during coordinated immigration raids across six

> states a year ago that netted hundreds of employees.

>

> Moses Garcia, a U.S. citizen who came from Mexico 18 years ago and

> knew many of the families affected by the 2006 raid through his church

> and real estate work, said most of the workers have left to other

> states, not back to Mexico.

>

> "They feel like they are not welcome here," Garcia said. "They go to

> Minnesota, Atlanta, Nebraska, California."

>

> In Arizona, where some specially trained sheriff's deputies already

> enforce immigration laws and a new state law sanctioning businesses

> hiring undocumented workers is due to come in to effect January 1,

> many illegal immigrants are eyeing a move to states they see as less

> hostile.

>

> Among them is day laborer Fernando Gutierrez who trekked illegally

> into the desert state 18 months ago from Mexico, and is now thinking

> of joining a cousin working in Oregon in the Pacific northwest.

>

> "Everyone lives in fear of the police stopping you for some minor

> infraction and then asking for your papers," Gutierrez said as he

> touted for work in the chill morning air at a Phoenix day labor site.

>

> "I want to get as far away from here as possible."

>

> (Additional reporting by Adriana Garcia in Washington and Andrea

> Hopkins in Marshalltown; Editing by Eddie Evans)

>

>

>

>

On Dec 24, 10:01 pm, Starkiller <NoSpam.SKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno...@yahoo.com

> wrote:

>

> >On Dec 24, 11:29 pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>

> >wrote:

>

> >> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

>

> >So how did the Arizonans do it?

>

> >Tell us soon so we can do it too.

>

> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.

>

> They enforced the law.

Which makes the looney left liberals go completely nuts.

On Dec 24, 9:16 pm, br...@pobox.com wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:01:10 -0600, Starkiller

>

>

>

> <NoSpam.SKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno...@yahoo.com

> >wrote:

>

> >>On Dec 24, 11:29 pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>

> >>wrote:

>

> >>> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

>

> >>So how did the Arizonans do it?

>

> >>Tell us soon so we can do it too.

>

> >An amazing and revolutionary new concept.

>

> >They enforced the law.

>

> Not precisely. As I understand it, they essentially passed STATE

> legislation that mirrored the Federal law against hiring illegals and

> are enforcing THOSE laws.

>

>

>

> >Regards

>

> >Starkiller

In alt.politics.immigration Starkiller <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com

> wrote:

>>On Dec 24, 11:29

<janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:bc0fcff1-147a-4cbb-b2dc-cf2a225120d8@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...

> So how did the Arizonans do it?

> Tell us soon so we can do it too.

They did it by simply having the cops ask people for their citizenship

papers.

They didn't even have to take anyone to jail.

They just asked.

There are MORE than enough crappy jobs everywhere else for the laborers AND

hillibillies, so there's no need for them to stay where they are not

welcome.

"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.

> They enforced the law.

No - they didn't.

They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.

They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove

their citizenship.

Sanders Kaufman wrote:

> "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:cj31n3lq62rqbr5ucdg43irsmb52lea775@4ax.com...

>

>> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.

>> They enforced the law.

>

> No - they didn't.

> They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.

> They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove

> their citizenship.

>

>

It's about time.

<johnny@.> wrote in message

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> Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>> No - they didn't.

>> They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.

>> They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove

>> their citizenship.

>>

> It's about time.

Yeah - but just like when you racists voted for Bush, you'll end up bitching

about getting what you wanted.

"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

Great news indeed!!

Now if it just becomes a trend we will get rid of a lot of people we do not

want. Unfortunately it will not be the hard criminals that go. They will

still enjoy the sanctuary of the gangs in major cities which will not do any

thing about them

--

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"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com

> wrote:

>

>>On Dec 24, 11:29 pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>

>>wrote:

>>

>>> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

>>

>>So how did the Arizonans do it?

>>

>>Tell us soon so we can do it too.

>

> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.

>

> They enforced the law.

>

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

> Starkiller

"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message news:r99cj.1611$pr6.806@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...

> "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:cj31n3lq62rqbr5ucdg43irsmb52lea775@4ax.com...

>

>> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.

>> They enforced the law.

>

> No - they didn't.

> They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.

> They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove

> their citizenship.

>

>

You would like everyone to believe your lies, huh ? . Where is your proof of this profiling ?

If they ask everyone arrested for ID , which is what is done when one gets arrested, then there is no problem. Or do you think that they only ask mexicans for ID when arrested ?

All citizens are required to carry ID and produce it upon demand by any law enforcement officer. The officer does not need a reason to ask for it. It is your duty as a good American citizen to cooperate with authorities in their investigations.

I am white and I have been asked for ID many times. You know what ? I always show it . Because I am an American citizen, not a criminal invader .

That is not only my opinion but the opinions of millions of American citizens who are proud to uphold the laws of this country .

"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message news:bo9cj.1612$pr6.818@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...

> <johnny@.> wrote in message

> news:9f9cj.30069$vt2.17461@bignews8.bellsouth.net...

>> Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>

>>> No - they didn't.

>>> They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.

>>> They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove

>>> their citizenship.

>>>

>> It's about time.

>

> Yeah - but just like when you racists voted for Bush, you'll end up bitching

> about getting what you wanted.

>

>

You are a major loser. Just like most mexicans you call everyone who disagrees with you or wants to uphold the laws of the country, a racist.

Racist means that you have no tolerance or hate a person because of their race you fucking moron.

We do not want any one of any race or color to enter our country illegally.

That is the difference between us and you and your kind. You are a racist.

<janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Dec 25, 3:34 am, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do the police ask everyone they pull over for proof of their citizenship

> or do the police only target brown people?

> It's that dastardly practice of profiling. You know - observe

> patterns of criminal behavior and focus on those who fit the pattern.

That's "criminal profiling" - and it's not what the AZ cops are doing at

all.

They totally ignore behaviour - focusing solely on heritage.

If they were to actually use criminal profiling - they'd be rounding up

hillbillies.

On Dec 24, 8:29�pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Among them are undocumented immigrants in Marshalltown, Iowa, where Mexicans and

> Central Americans workers at a Swift & Co meatpacking plant were arrested during

> coordinated immigration raids across six states a year ago that netted hundreds of

> employees.

Having a two-class society where the Rich Whites get richer off the

Poor Whites is bad enough, but when the Rich Whites want to import

even poorer Mexicans to do the the work they don't want to pay Whites

to do, you have a social injustice.

The public unemployment rate may be 4% or 5%, but the real

unemployment rate in the county I live in is about 16%.

Mexicans live in better houses and drive better cars in this county

than most working class Whites.

When I read about how the welfare department of the economically-

depressed California county I live in now gave bus tickets to Mexicans

in order to get them off the welfare roles and then the Mexicans

showed up in Marshalltown, I just want to puke.

My great grandparents pioneered Marshall county, Iowas in the 1850's.

My grandfather and grandmother were born in Marshalltown and lived all

their lives there. My grandfather worked as a car inspector for a

railroad that was in and out of bankruptcy for decades.

My uncles enlisted and were career Navy men. One uncle was torpedoed

by a German U-boat off Iceland 2 months before WW2 started, when

Roosevelt was trying to get America into a war with Germany.

My uncle survived, and received a commendation for his cool courage

and leadership during the attack.

Less than six months later, my other uncle was killed by Japanese dive

bombers as his destroyer attempted to take pilots to Java to help

defend the Dutch empire.

The Japanese sank his ship, but they didn't rescue our sailors.

My parents left the midwest and came to California during the Great

Depression.

My stepfather was a meat packer, but there was no work for him back in

the midwest. However, there seems to be work for Mexicans, packing

meat.

Now, the mayor of Marshalltown thinks that he doesn't owe anything to

the descendants of White Iowa pioneers and the White veterans who

defended our nation.

He claims that Mexicans somehow "revitalize" the failing economy of

Marshalltown and wonders how he will get "workers" to process pork at

the Swift plant.

It's simple, actually. Just hire White people and pay them fair

wages. There has always been an abundant labor force in Iowa, the

businessmen don't need to import California's Mexican problem, they

just need to be willing to share the wealth with White workers,

instead of giving Mexicans less money.

Marshalltown is a small city of only 25,000, and, with 20% Mexican

population, it's very noticeable that there are a bunch of criminals

in town.

It's worse over here in California, where there are TWO Mexicans for

every White person. The White businessmen who run the town are begging

for Mexicans to come and pick their oranges and pecans and milk their

cows and make cheese.

Owners of citrus groves are actually offering health insurance and

paid vacation to orange pickers, just to get somebody into their

orchards to pick the fruit.

And the used car lots are jam packed with clean used cars for sale.

The used car dealers cannot sell their cars to Mexicans who were laid

off because of the big

winter freeze that did a billion $$$ worth of damage last winter.

On Dec 25, 12:34�am, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do the police ask everyone they pull over for proof of their

> citizenship or do the police only target brown people?

It's not the police officer's fault when the criminal class has

different skin pigmentation.

For decades, we've been hearing that the only difference between

"people of color" and White people is a layer of pigment under the

skin, and that's been used

to claim "racial profiling" when a criminal gets caught violating the

law.

The White majority in America comes from better-behaved countries

where a lower class White person could be hung for stealing a loaf of

bread from a higher class White merchant.

A masked White executioner was happy to have a job hanging poor White

people.

So, if a dark-skinned Mexican or Black gets arrested for stealing a

loaf of bread, he should actually be glad that we don't hang people

for petty larcency anymore.

On Dec 25, 8:19 am, Morrgaine <Morrga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 24, 8:29�pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

> > Among them are undocumented immigrants in Marshalltown, Iowa, where Mexicans and

> > Central Americans workers at a Swift & Co meatpacking plant were arrested during

> > coordinated immigration raids across six states a year ago that netted hundreds of

> > employees.

>

> Having a two-class society where the Rich Whites get richer off the

> Poor Whites is bad enough, but when the Rich Whites want to import

> even poorer Mexicans to do the the work they don't want to pay Whites

> to do, you have a social injustice.

>

> The public unemployment rate may be 4% or 5%, but the real

> unemployment rate in the county I live in is about 16%.

>

> Mexicans live in better houses and drive better cars in this county

> than most working class Whites.

>

> When I read about how the welfare department of the economically-

> depressed California county I live in now gave bus tickets to Mexicans

> in order to get them off the welfare roles and then the Mexicans

> showed up in Marshalltown, I just want to puke.

>

> My great grandparents pioneered Marshall county, Iowas in the 1850's.

>

> My grandfather and grandmother were born in Marshalltown and lived all

> their lives there. My grandfather worked as a car inspector for a

> railroad that was in and out of bankruptcy for decades.

>

> My uncles enlisted and were career Navy men. One uncle was torpedoed

> by a German U-boat off Iceland 2 months before WW2 started, when

> Roosevelt was trying to get America into a war with Germany.

>

> My uncle survived, and received a commendation for his cool courage

> and leadership  during the attack.

>

> Less than six months later, my other uncle was killed by Japanese dive

> bombers as his destroyer attempted to take pilots to Java to help

> defend the Dutch empire.

>

> The Japanese sank his ship, but they didn't rescue our sailors.

>

> My parents left the midwest and came to California during the Great

> Depression.

>

> My stepfather was a meat packer, but there was no work for him back in

> the midwest. However, there seems to be work for Mexicans, packing

> meat.

>

> Now, the mayor of Marshalltown thinks that he doesn't owe anything to

> the descendants of White Iowa pioneers and the White veterans who

> defended our nation.

>

> He claims that Mexicans somehow "revitalize" the failing economy of

> Marshalltown and wonders how he will get "workers" to process pork at

> the Swift plant.

>

> It's simple, actually. Just hire White people and pay them fair

> wages. There has always been an abundant labor force in Iowa, the

> businessmen don't need to import California's Mexican problem, they

> just need to be willing to share the wealth with White workers,

> instead of giving Mexicans less money.

>

> Marshalltown is a small city of only 25,000, and, with 20% Mexican

> population, it's very noticeable that there are a bunch of criminals

> in town.

>

> It's worse over here in California, where there are TWO Mexicans for

> every White person. The White businessmen who run the town are begging

> for Mexicans to come and pick their oranges and pecans and milk their

> cows and make cheese.

>

> Owners of citrus groves are actually offering health insurance and

> paid vacation to orange pickers, just to get somebody into their

> orchards to pick the fruit.

>

> And the used car lots are jam packed with clean used cars for sale.

> The used car dealers cannot sell their cars to Mexicans who were laid

> off because of the big

> winter freeze that did a billion $$$ worth of damage last winter.

Great post. Here is something which sums up illegal immigration in

the USA:

Liberals who support illegal immigrants are unknowingly siding with

greedy U.S. corporations. Why? Because illegal immigration is about

one thing --> more corporate profits via lower labor costs.

Who wins? Greedy companies AND illegal workers (earning FAR more than

in Mexico).

Who loses? The U.S. labor class (U.S. proletariat) via job losses to

illegal workers & depressed wages.

Thus 120 years of wage scale struggles fought for since the Haymarket

Rebellion of 1886 are being undermined.

Liberals who support illegal immigrants are unknowingly siding with

greedy U.S. corporations. Why? Because illegal immigration is about

one thing --> more corporate profits via lower labor costs.

Who wins? Greedy companies AND illegal workers (earning FAR more than

in Mexico).

Who loses? The U.S. labor class (U.S. proletariat) via job losses to

illegal workers & depressed wages.

Thus 120 years of wage scale struggles fought for since the Haymarket

Rebellion of 1886 are being undermined.