Iranian backed forces killing U.S. Troops in Iraq, War with Iran soon

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There is no way that we can allow the Iranians to kill U.S. troops and
to target U.S.
and Iraqi officials without a devastating response. The only answer is
to take out
Iran's Nuclear program and to also decimate their military
capabilities.


Petraeus Points to War With Iran
by Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted: 04/11/2008
The neocons may yet get their war on Iran.

Ever since President Nouri al-Maliki ordered the attacks in Basra on
the Mahdi Army, Gen. David Petraeus has been laying the predicate for
U.S. air strikes on Iran and a wider war in the Middle East.

Iran, Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee, has "fueled
the recent violence in a particularly damaging way through its lethal
support of the special groups."

These "special groups" are "funded, trained, armed and directed by
Iran's Quds Force with help from Lebanese Hezbollah. It was these
groups that launched Iranian rockets and mortar rounds at Iraq's seat
of government (the Green Zone) ... causing loss of innocent life and
fear in the capital."

Is the Iranian government aware of this -- and behind it?

"President Ahmadinejad and other Iranian leaders" promised to end
their "support for the special groups," said the general, but the
"nefarious activities of the Quds force have continued."

Are Iranians then murdering Americans, asked Joe Lieberman:

"Is it fair to say that the Iranian-backed special groups in Iraq are
responsible for the murder of hundreds of American soldiers and
thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians?"

"It certainly is. ... That is correct," said Petraeus.

The following day, Petraeus told the House Armed Services Committee,
"Unchecked, the 'special groups' pose the greatest long-term threat to
the viability of a democratic Iraq."

Translation: The United States is now fighting the proxies of Iran for
the future of Iraq.

The general's testimony is forcing Bush's hand, for consider the
question it logically raises: If the Quds Force and Hezbollah, both
designated as terrorist organizations, are arming, training and
directing "special groups" to "murder" Americans, and rocket and
mortar the Green Zone to kill our diplomats, and they now represent
the No. 1 threat to a free Iraq, why has Bush failed to neutralize
these base camps of terror and aggression?

Hence, be not surprised if President Bush appears before the TV
cameras, one day soon, to declare:

"My commanding general in Iraq, David Petraeus, has told me that Iran,
with the knowledge of President Ahmadinejad, has become a privileged
sanctuary for two terrorist organizations -- Hezbollah and the Quds
Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard -- to train, arm and direct
terrorist attacks on U.S. and coalition forces, despite repeated
promises to halt this murderous practice.

"I have therefore directed U.S. air and naval forces to begin air
strikes on these base camps of terror. Our attacks will continue until
the Iranian attacks cease."

Because of the failures of a Democratic Congress elected to end the
war, Bush can now make a compelling case that he would be acting fully
within his authority as commander in chief.

In early 2007, Nancy Pelosi pulled down a resolution that would have
denied Bush the authority to attack Iran without congressional
approval. In September, both Houses passed the Kyl-Lieberman
resolution designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist
organization.

Courtesy of Congress, Bush thus has a blank check for war on Iran. And
the signs are growing that he intends to fill it in and cash it.

Israel has been hurling invective at Iran and conducting security
drills to prepare its population for rocket barrages worse than those
Hezbollah delivered in the Lebanon War.

Adm. William "Fox" Fallon, the Central Command head who opposed war
with Iran, has been removed. Hamas and Hezbollah have been stocking up
on Qassam and Katyusha rockets.

Vice President Cheney has lately toured Arab capitals.

And President Ahmadinejad just made international headlines by
declaring that Tehran will begin installing 6,000 advanced centrifuges
to accelerate Iran's enrichment of uranium.

This is Bush's last chance to strike and, when Iran responds, to
effect its nuclear castration. Are Bush and Cheney likely to pass up
this last chance to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities and effect the
election of John McCain? For any attack on Iran's "terrorist bases"
would rally the GOP and drive a wedge between Obama and Hillary.

Indeed, Sen. Clinton, who voted to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guard
a terrorist organization, could hardly denounce Bush for ordering air
strikes on the Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force, when Petraeus
testified, in her presence, that it is behind the serial murder of
U.S. soldiers.

The Iranians may sense what is afoot. For Tehran helped broker the
truce in the Maliki-Sadr clash in Basra, and has called for a halt to
the mortar and rocket attacks on the Green Zone.

With a friendly regime in Baghdad that rolled out the red carpet for
Ahmadinejad, Iran has nothing to gain by war. Already, it is the big
winner from the U.S. wars that took down Tehran's Taliban enemies,
decimated its al-Qaida enemies and destroyed its Sunni enemies, Saddam
and his Baath Party.

No, it is not Iran that wants a war with the United States. It is the
United States that has reasons to want a short, sharp war with Iran.


Mr. Buchanan is a nationally syndicated columnist and author of "The
Death of the West," "The Great Betrayal," "A Republic, Not an Empire"
and "Where the Right Went Wrong."
 
On 12 Apr, 11:30, rodney...@hotmail.com wrote:
> There is no way that we can allow the Iranians to kill U.S. troops and
> to target U.S.
> and Iraqi officials without a devastating response. The only answer is
> to take out
> Iran's Nuclear program and to also decimate their military
> capabilities.
>
> Petraeus Points to War With Iran
> by Patrick J. Buchanan
>
> Posted: 04/11/2008
> The neocons may yet get their war on Iran.
>
> Ever since President Nouri al-Maliki ordered the attacks in Basra on
> the Mahdi Army, Gen. David Petraeus has been laying the predicate for
> U.S. air strikes on Iran and a wider war in the Middle East.
>
> Iran, Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee, has "fueled
> the recent violence in a particularly damaging way through its lethal
> support of the special groups."
>
> These "special groups" are "funded, trained, armed and directed by
> Iran's Quds Force with help from Lebanese Hezbollah. It was these
> groups that launched Iranian rockets and mortar rounds at Iraq's seat
> of government (the Green Zone) ... causing loss of innocent life and
> fear in the capital."
>
> Is the Iranian government aware of this -- and behind it?
>
> "President Ahmadinejad and other Iranian leaders" promised to end
> their "support for the special groups," said the general, but the
> "nefarious activities of the Quds force have continued."
>
> Are Iranians then murdering Americans, asked Joe Lieberman:
>
> "Is it fair to say that the Iranian-backed special groups in Iraq are
> responsible for the murder of hundreds of American soldiers and
> thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians?"
>
> "It certainly is. ... That is correct," said Petraeus.
>
> The following day, Petraeus told the House Armed Services Committee,
> "Unchecked, the 'special groups' pose the greatest long-term threat to
> the viability of a democratic Iraq."
>
> Translation: The United States is now fighting the proxies of Iran for
> the future of Iraq.
>
> The general's testimony is forcing Bush's hand, for consider the
> question it logically raises: If the Quds Force and Hezbollah, both
> designated as terrorist organizations, are arming, training and
> directing "special groups" to "murder" Americans, and rocket and
> mortar the Green Zone to kill our diplomats, and they now represent
> the No. 1 threat to a free Iraq, why has Bush failed to neutralize
> these base camps of terror and aggression?
>
> Hence, be not surprised if President Bush appears before the TV
> cameras, one day soon, to declare:
>
> "My commanding general in Iraq, David Petraeus, has told me that Iran,
> with the knowledge of President Ahmadinejad, has become a privileged
> sanctuary for two terrorist organizations -- Hezbollah and the Quds
> Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard -- to train, arm and direct
> terrorist attacks on U.S. and coalition forces, despite repeated
> promises to halt this murderous practice.
>
> "I have therefore directed U.S. air and naval forces to begin air
> strikes on these base camps of terror. Our attacks will continue until
> the Iranian attacks cease."
>
> Because of the failures of a Democratic Congress elected to end the
> war, Bush can now make a compelling case that he would be acting fully
> within his authority as commander in chief.
>
> In early 2007, Nancy Pelosi pulled down a resolution that would have
> denied Bush the authority to attack Iran without congressional
> approval. In September, both Houses passed the Kyl-Lieberman
> resolution designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist
> organization.
>
> Courtesy of Congress, Bush thus has a blank check for war on Iran. And
> the signs are growing that he intends to fill it in and cash it.
>
> Israel has been hurling invective at Iran and conducting security
> drills to prepare its population for rocket barrages worse than those
> Hezbollah delivered in the Lebanon War.
>
> Adm. William "Fox" Fallon, the Central Command head who opposed war
> with Iran, has been removed. Hamas and Hezbollah have been stocking up
> on Qassam and Katyusha rockets.
>
> Vice President Cheney has lately toured Arab capitals.
>
> And President Ahmadinejad just made international headlines by
> declaring that Tehran will begin installing 6,000 advanced centrifuges
> to accelerate Iran's enrichment of uranium.
>
> This is Bush's last chance to strike and, when Iran responds, to
> effect its nuclear castration. Are Bush and Cheney likely to pass up
> this last chance to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities and effect the
> election of John McCain? For any attack on Iran's "terrorist bases"
> would rally the GOP and drive a wedge between Obama and Hillary.
>
> Indeed, Sen. Clinton, who voted to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guard
> a terrorist organization, could hardly denounce Bush for ordering air
> strikes on the Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force, when Petraeus
> testified, in her presence, that it is behind the serial murder of
> U.S. soldiers.
>
> The Iranians may sense what is afoot. For Tehran helped broker the
> truce in the Maliki-Sadr clash in Basra, and has called for a halt to
> the mortar and rocket attacks on the Green Zone.
>
> With a friendly regime in Baghdad that rolled out the red carpet for
> Ahmadinejad, Iran has nothing to gain by war. Already, it is the big
> winner from the U.S. wars that took down Tehran's Taliban enemies,
> decimated its al-Qaida enemies and destroyed its Sunni enemies, Saddam
> and his Baath Party.
>
> No, it is not Iran that wants a war with the United States. It is the
> United States that has reasons to want a short, sharp war with Iran.
>
> Mr. Buchanan is a nationally syndicated columnist and author of "The
> Death of the West," "The Great Betrayal," "A Republic, Not an Empire"
> and "Where the Right Went Wrong."


We're already at war with Iran ! Just because no nukes have gone off
yet doesn't mean we're not at war. Hopefully a few well places MOAB's
will do the trick and we won't see any mushroom clouds. Millions could
die unless we kick butt in Iran.
 
On 12 Apr, 11:57, u2fan <u2fan...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 12 Apr, 11:30, rodney...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > There is no way that we can allow the Iranians to kill U.S. troops and
> > to target U.S.
> > and Iraqi officials without a devastating response. The only answer is
> > to take out
> > Iran's Nuclear program and to also decimate their military
> > capabilities.

>
> > Petraeus Points to War With Iran
> > by Patrick J. Buchanan

>
> > Posted: 04/11/2008
> > The neocons may yet get their war on Iran.

>
> > Ever since President Nouri al-Maliki ordered the attacks in Basra on
> > the Mahdi Army, Gen. David Petraeus has been laying the predicate for
> > U.S. air strikes on Iran and a wider war in the Middle East.

>
> > Iran, Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee, has "fueled
> > the recent violence in a particularly damaging way through its lethal
> > support of the special groups."

>
> > These "special groups" are "funded, trained, armed and directed by
> > Iran's Quds Force with help from Lebanese Hezbollah. It was these
> > groups that launched Iranian rockets and mortar rounds at Iraq's seat
> > of government (the Green Zone) ... causing loss of innocent life and
> > fear in the capital."

>
> > Is the Iranian government aware of this -- and behind it?

>
> > "President Ahmadinejad and other Iranian leaders" promised to end
> > their "support for the special groups," said the general, but the
> > "nefarious activities of the Quds force have continued."

>
> > Are Iranians then murdering Americans, asked Joe Lieberman:

>
> > "Is it fair to say that the Iranian-backed special groups in Iraq are
> > responsible for the murder of hundreds of American soldiers and
> > thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians?"

>
> > "It certainly is. ... That is correct," said Petraeus.

>
> > The following day, Petraeus told the House Armed Services Committee,
> > "Unchecked, the 'special groups' pose the greatest long-term threat to
> > the viability of a democratic Iraq."

>
> > Translation: The United States is now fighting the proxies of Iran for
> > the future of Iraq.

>
> > The general's testimony is forcing Bush's hand, for consider the
> > question it logically raises: If the Quds Force and Hezbollah, both
> > designated as terrorist organizations, are arming, training and
> > directing "special groups" to "murder" Americans, and rocket and
> > mortar the Green Zone to kill our diplomats, and they now represent
> > the No. 1 threat to a free Iraq, why has Bush failed to neutralize
> > these base camps of terror and aggression?

>
> > Hence, be not surprised if President Bush appears before the TV
> > cameras, one day soon, to declare:

>
> > "My commanding general in Iraq, David Petraeus, has told me that Iran,
> > with the knowledge of President Ahmadinejad, has become a privileged
> > sanctuary for two terrorist organizations -- Hezbollah and the Quds
> > Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard -- to train, arm and direct
> > terrorist attacks on U.S. and coalition forces, despite repeated
> > promises to halt this murderous practice.

>
> > "I have therefore directed U.S. air and naval forces to begin air
> > strikes on these base camps of terror. Our attacks will continue until
> > the Iranian attacks cease."

>
> > Because of the failures of a Democratic Congress elected to end the
> > war, Bush can now make a compelling case that he would be acting fully
> > within his authority as commander in chief.

>
> > In early 2007, Nancy Pelosi pulled down a resolution that would have
> > denied Bush the authority to attack Iran without congressional
> > approval. In September, both Houses passed the Kyl-Lieberman
> > resolution designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist
> > organization.

>
> > Courtesy of Congress, Bush thus has a blank check for war on Iran. And
> > the signs are growing that he intends to fill it in and cash it.

>
> > Israel has been hurling invective at Iran and conducting security
> > drills to prepare its population for rocket barrages worse than those
> > Hezbollah delivered in the Lebanon War.

>
> > Adm. William "Fox" Fallon, the Central Command head who opposed war
> > with Iran, has been removed. Hamas and Hezbollah have been stocking up
> > on Qassam and Katyusha rockets.

>
> > Vice President Cheney has lately toured Arab capitals.

>
> > And President Ahmadinejad just made international headlines by
> > declaring that Tehran will begin installing 6,000 advanced centrifuges
> > to accelerate Iran's enrichment of uranium.

>
> > This is Bush's last chance to strike and, when Iran responds, to
> > effect its nuclear castration. Are Bush and Cheney likely to pass up
> > this last chance to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities and effect the
> > election of John McCain? For any attack on Iran's "terrorist bases"
> > would rally the GOP and drive a wedge between Obama and Hillary.

>
> > Indeed, Sen. Clinton, who voted to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guard
> > a terrorist organization, could hardly denounce Bush for ordering air
> > strikes on the Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force, when Petraeus
> > testified, in her presence, that it is behind the serial murder of
> > U.S. soldiers.

>
> > The Iranians may sense what is afoot. For Tehran helped broker the
> > truce in the Maliki-Sadr clash in Basra, and has called for a halt to
> > the mortar and rocket attacks on the Green Zone.

>
> > With a friendly regime in Baghdad that rolled out the red carpet for
> > Ahmadinejad, Iran has nothing to gain by war. Already, it is the big
> > winner from the U.S. wars that took down Tehran's Taliban enemies,
> > decimated its al-Qaida enemies and destroyed its Sunni enemies, Saddam
> > and his Baath Party.

>
> > No, it is not Iran that wants a war with the United States. It is the
> > United States that has reasons to want a short, sharp war with Iran.

>
> > Mr. Buchanan is a nationally syndicated columnist and author of "The
> > Death of the West," "The Great Betrayal," "A Republic, Not an Empire"
> > and "Where the Right Went Wrong."

>
> We're already at war with Iran ! Just because no nukes have gone off
> yet doesn't mean we're not at war. Hopefully a few well places MOAB's
> will do the trick and we won't see any mushroom clouds. Millions could
> die unless we kick butt in Iran.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Reminds me of the choices made in the 1940's regarding Japan after
pearl harbour ( parallels 9/11 ) you weigh up the opposition and see
what it takes to defeat them with the minimal effort, there are many
choices, take out the leadership like with Iraq, or use more powerful
stuff, the take out the leadership option would be best and then
deactivate the nuclear sites the Iranian people are wanting new
leaders, but the yanks will do what ever they like, they threw nukes
on Japan, Iran can expect no different unless they play ball.
 
On 12 Apr, 11:57, u2fan <u2fan...@googlemail.com> wrote:

"Millions could die unless we kick butt in Iran"

Oh I'm sure you will manage it. What do you mean by 'could' and 'if'?

You should be saying, 'Millions WILL die WHEN.. ...etc"

Looks rather like another American 'justification' to me. Mind your
own ****ing business, leave other Nations to govern themselves and to
dictate their own policies.

Werewolfy
 
On Apr 12, 4:07 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 12 Apr, 11:57, u2fan <u2fan...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> "Millions could die unless we kick butt in Iran"
>
> Oh I'm sure you will manage it. What do you mean by 'could' and 'if'?
>
> You should be saying, 'Millions WILL die WHEN.. ...etc"
>
> Looks rather like another American 'justification' to me. Mind your
> own ****ing business, leave other Nations to govern themselves and to
> dictate their own policies.


I don't believe "u2fan" is an American, Wolfy. If you look at his
second post in the thread, he spells the word "harbour" the way you
do. He also talked of "yanks" the way you do. What makes you so sure
he's American? Please explain.
 
Long after countless HUMAN LIVES have been wiped out over the
destruction of IRAN, historians and other literates will understand
that the "Iran Scare" by WAR CRIMINAL BUSH was just bullshit to
maintain a U.S. presence in the Middle East so China, India, and the
EU wouldn't arrogate to themselves all the oil in that region.
 
On 12 Apr, 17:27, nubilenips <clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Long after countless HUMAN LIVES have been wiped out over the
> destruction of IRAN, historians and other literates will understand
> that the "Iran Scare" by WAR CRIMINAL BUSH was just bullshit to
> maintain a U.S. presence in the Middle East so China, India, and the
> EU wouldn't arrogate to themselves all the oil in that region.


It really doesn't need to be a large war just a minimal war no nukes
needed, the bunker busters and MOAB's are more than enough to take out
Iran's leadership. The Iranians will be jumping for joy when they get
a new democratic government.
 
On 12 Apr, 16:17, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 4:07 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12 Apr, 11:57, u2fan <u2fan...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> > "Millions could die unless we kick butt in Iran"

>
> > Oh I'm sure you will manage it. What do you mean by 'could' and 'if'?

>
> > You should be saying, 'Millions WILL die WHEN.. ...etc"

>
> > Looks rather like another American 'justification' to me. Mind your
> > own ****ing business, leave other Nations to govern themselves and to
> > dictate their own policies.

>
> I don't believe "u2fan" is an American, Wolfy. If you look at his
> second post in the thread, he spells the word "harbour" the way you
> do. He also talked of "yanks" the way you do. What makes you so sure
> he's American? Please explain.


Me American ! No, supporting America in some areas Yes.
 
On Apr 12, 10:42 am, u2fan <u2fan...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 12 Apr, 16:17, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 12, 4:07 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> > > On 12 Apr, 11:57, u2fan <u2fan...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> > > "Millions could die unless we kick butt in Iran"

>
> > > Oh I'm sure you will manage it. What do you mean by 'could' and 'if'?

>
> > > You should be saying, 'Millions WILL die WHEN.. ...etc"

>
> > > Looks rather like another American 'justification' to me. Mind your
> > > own ****ing business, leave other Nations to govern themselves and to
> > > dictate their own policies.

>
> > I don't believe "u2fan" is an American, Wolfy. If you look at his
> > second post in the thread, he spells the word "harbour" the way you
> > do. He also talked of "yanks" the way you do. What makes you so sure
> > he's American? Please explain.

>
> Me American ! No, supporting America in some areas Yes.


So you're the one! I always heard there was one guy out there,
somewhere in the world, who supported America in some areas. But when
I listen to some of my fellow Americans who hate their own country,
they try to convince me that you don't exist. I'm glad to know you're
out there!
 
Steven Douglas <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in
news:15b33dfb-c389-46eb-97e0-cc12978dc862@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 12, 10:42 am, u2fan <u2fan...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Apr, 16:17, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Apr 12, 4:07 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>>
>> > > On 12 Apr, 11:57, u2fan <u2fan...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>>
>> > > "Millions could die unless we kick butt in Iran"

>>
>> > > Oh I'm sure you will manage it. What do you mean by 'could' and
>> > > 'if'?

>>
>> > > You should be saying, 'Millions WILL die WHEN.. ...etc"

>>
>> > > Looks rather like another American 'justification' to me. Mind
>> > > your own ****ing business, leave other Nations to govern
>> > > themselves and to dictate their own policies.

>>
>> > I don't believe "u2fan" is an American, Wolfy. If you look at his
>> > second post in the thread, he spells the word "harbour" the way you
>> > do. He also talked of "yanks" the way you do. What makes you so
>> > sure he's American? Please explain.

>>
>> Me American ! No, supporting America in some areas Yes.

>
> So you're the one! I always heard there was one guy out there,
> somewhere in the world, who supported America in some areas. But when
> I listen to some of my fellow Americans who hate their own country,
> they try to convince me that you don't exist. I'm glad to know you're
> out there!



You need to expand your horizons beyond apn stevie. You'll find there are
plenty of idiots out there who seek the insecurity of knowing their
neighbor down the street could snipe them dead as they drive to work
one morning.
 
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