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Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?

By Cenk Uygur

Created Mar 22 2008 - 7:41pm


The Politico [1] laid it out very clearly yesterday - and solidified what
we've known for weeks [2] - this race is over. Obama has the nomination.

Even Hillary Clinton's own campaign admits it! Politico reports, "One
important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no
more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an
appraisal that was echoed by other operatives. In other words: The notion of
the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of
make-believe."

It's somewhat hilarious to watch the media eat up the campaign spin on the
record, that she's got a great shot to win this and win the Presidency. Of
course, the race gets a whole lot more boring with lower ratings when it's
Obama vs. McCain, probably with a huge lull in the campaign, where - God
forbid - the news media will actually have to go out and find and report
news, and not just campaign talking points sent to them.

I've been trying to figure out for weeks why Hillary Clinton is still in
this campaign because the math has been obvious for quite some time now.
Even Mitt Romney had the - what would you call it, decency, wisdom, common
sense - to drop out after he realized it was mathematically impossible (or
next to impossible) for him to win.

There is one possibility as to why Senator Clinton might still be in this
race, inflicting heavy damage on the presumptive Democratic nominee. That
reason is Hillary 2012.

Now that's a heavy charge. I can't read her mind, so I don't know what her
true intentions are. We can only judge based on her actions. Her staff
understands and agrees that she has a very, very small chance of winning,
but she is still willing to go after front-runner of her own party in the
strongest possible words.

Look at what she has said about the man she privately believes will be the
Democratic nominee for President:

He has not crossed the "Commander in Chief threshold" like John McCain has.

He cannot be trusted to answer the phone at 3am.

His only experience is a speech from 2002.

That he is disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida (even though she
agreed to the same rules he did when those states stepped out of line in the
primary process).

And, as Bill Clinton intimated yesterday, he doesn't love our country, like
Hillary and McCain do.

Those are some serious blows against someone in your own party and might
seriously hurt his chances of winning the general election. In fact, every
day that Senator Clinton stays in the race is another day she spends money
damaging Senator Obama. And every dollar she spends is a dollar in John
McCain's pocket.

It almost makes you ask - does she want him to lose?

If Obama wins, then Senator Clinton couldn't run again until at least 2016
(unless something goes terribly wrong). At which point, she would be almost
as old as John McCain is now. If she's ever going to become president, she
has this narrow window.

On the other hand, if Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds going
into the general election and winds up losing, then Hillary Clinton is
sitting pretty in 2012.

In four years, John McCain will be 209 years old, and coming off a
disastrous first term. We will still be in Iraq and the country will be
dying for change. If you thought the voters wanted change now, imagine what
the situation will be in 2012. Imagine how starved the electorate will be
for a Democrat if McCain just spent four years replicating George W. Bush's
policies - as he is adamantly promising to do on the campaign trail.

At that point, Senator Clinton would be able to swoop in and say, "See, you
went with Obama last time and he lost, just like I told you. Now, nominate
me, and I will take this White House back like we should have four years
ago!"

Having narrowly lost to Obama in the primary, she would be in a great
position to say "It's my turn! Let's get this right!"

Is she that cynical? Does she care that little about her own party or her
own principles? Remember, a McCain win signs us up for more years in Iraq, a
possible new war with Iran, an untold number of conservative judges on the
Supreme Court, a probable overturn of Roe v. Wade, four more years of
economic pain for the lower and middle class and ... no healthcare reform
for another four years.

Is anyone that politically craven? To risk all that so they have a better
chance of winning in 2012? I hope not. I hope she is just being delusional
and thrashing about in misguided desperation as she continues to wound Obama
going into the general election.

But if she is doing this on purpose - and she wants Obama to lose this time
around so she has a better chance of winning in 2012 - she better make damn
sure that news doesn't leak. Because that kind of political crime would be
unforgivable. Unforgivable.


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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47e925ac$0$1159$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?
>>
>> By Cenk Uygur
>>
>> Created Mar 22 2008 - 7:41pm
>>
>>
>> The Politico [1] laid it out very clearly yesterday - and solidified what
>> we've known for weeks [2] - this race is over. Obama has the nomination.
>>
>> Even Hillary Clinton's own campaign admits it! Politico reports, "One
>> important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no
>> more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama,
>> an
>> appraisal that was echoed by other operatives. In other words: The notion

> of
>> the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of
>> make-believe."
>>
>> It's somewhat hilarious to watch the media eat up the campaign spin on
>> the
>> record, that she's got a great shot to win this and win the Presidency.
>> Of
>> course, the race gets a whole lot more boring with lower ratings when
>> it's
>> Obama vs. McCain, probably with a huge lull in the campaign, where - God
>> forbid - the news media will actually have to go out and find and report
>> news, and not just campaign talking points sent to them.
>>
>> I've been trying to figure out for weeks why Hillary Clinton is still in
>> this campaign because the math has been obvious for quite some time now.
>> Even Mitt Romney had the - what would you call it, decency, wisdom,
>> common
>> sense - to drop out after he realized it was mathematically impossible
>> (or
>> next to impossible) for him to win.
>>
>> There is one possibility as to why Senator Clinton might still be in this
>> race, inflicting heavy damage on the presumptive Democratic nominee. That
>> reason is Hillary 2012.
>>
>> Now that's a heavy charge. I can't read her mind, so I don't know what
>> her
>> true intentions are. We can only judge based on her actions. Her staff
>> understands and agrees that she has a very, very small chance of winning,
>> but she is still willing to go after front-runner of her own party in the
>> strongest possible words.
>>
>> Look at what she has said about the man she privately believes will be
>> the
>> Democratic nominee for President:
>>
>> He has not crossed the "Commander in Chief threshold" like John McCain

> has.
>>
>> He cannot be trusted to answer the phone at 3am.
>>
>> His only experience is a speech from 2002.
>>
>> That he is disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida (even though

> she
>> agreed to the same rules he did when those states stepped out of line in

> the
>> primary process).
>>
>> And, as Bill Clinton intimated yesterday, he doesn't love our country,

> like
>> Hillary and McCain do.
>>
>> Those are some serious blows against someone in your own party and might
>> seriously hurt his chances of winning the general election. In fact,
>> every
>> day that Senator Clinton stays in the race is another day she spends
>> money
>> damaging Senator Obama. And every dollar she spends is a dollar in John
>> McCain's pocket.
>>
>> It almost makes you ask - does she want him to lose?
>>
>> If Obama wins, then Senator Clinton couldn't run again until at least
>> 2016
>> (unless something goes terribly wrong). At which point, she would be

> almost
>> as old as John McCain is now. If she's ever going to become president,
>> she
>> has this narrow window.
>>
>> On the other hand, if Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds

> going
>> into the general election and winds up losing, then Hillary Clinton is
>> sitting pretty in 2012.
>>
>> In four years, John McCain will be 209 years old, and coming off a
>> disastrous first term. We will still be in Iraq and the country will be
>> dying for change. If you thought the voters wanted change now, imagine

> what
>> the situation will be in 2012. Imagine how starved the electorate will be
>> for a Democrat if McCain just spent four years replicating George W.

> Bush's
>> policies - as he is adamantly promising to do on the campaign trail.
>>
>> At that point, Senator Clinton would be able to swoop in and say, "See,

> you
>> went with Obama last time and he lost, just like I told you. Now,
>> nominate
>> me, and I will take this White House back like we should have four years
>> ago!"
>>
>> Having narrowly lost to Obama in the primary, she would be in a great
>> position to say "It's my turn! Let's get this right!"
>>
>> Is she that cynical? Does she care that little about her own party or her
>> own principles? Remember, a McCain win signs us up for more years in
>> Iraq,

> a
>> possible new war with Iran, an untold number of conservative judges on
>> the
>> Supreme Court, a probable overturn of Roe v. Wade, four more years of
>> economic pain for the lower and middle class and ... no healthcare reform
>> for another four years.
>>
>> Is anyone that politically craven? To risk all that so they have a better
>> chance of winning in 2012? I hope not. I hope she is just being
>> delusional
>> and thrashing about in misguided desperation as she continues to wound

> Obama
>> going into the general election.
>>
>> But if she is doing this on purpose - and she wants Obama to lose this

> time
>> around so she has a better chance of winning in 2012 - she better make

> damn
>> sure that news doesn't leak. Because that kind of political crime would
>> be
>> unforgivable. Unforgivable.

>
>
> It won't work and is a dangerous game Hillary plays. Clinton's will be
> ancient history by 2012 and will be out of favor with the upcoming youth
> in
> the Democratic party. She's already losing them and the big dog Bill ain't
> helping.


I agree. The Clinton's are already crossing the line over into ancient
history as far as the youth vote goes.


All of the innuendo's about McCain being somehow better than Obama
> are not sitting well out here in Demo land. If there is more of it during
> an
> Obama-McCain campaign coming from the Clintons or their surrogates those
> people will be toast in the next campaign. It's pure folly and political
> suicide to expect Democrats to support a fellow Democrat dumb enough to
> tilt
> toward McCain, even a little. Look at how Lieberman is viewed. I doubt he
> could be elected dog catcher these days.
>
> If Obama loses to McCain, expect a rebuild of the Democratic party, but
> one
> that will include few players from the past. Bill and Hillary won't be a
> part of it.
>
>
 
"Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?
>
> By Cenk Uygur
>
> Created Mar 22 2008 - 7:41pm
>
>
> The Politico [1] laid it out very clearly yesterday - and solidified what
> we've known for weeks [2] - this race is over. Obama has the nomination.
>
> Even Hillary Clinton's own campaign admits it! Politico reports, "One
> important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no
> more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an
> appraisal that was echoed by other operatives. In other words: The notion

of
> the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of
> make-believe."
>
> It's somewhat hilarious to watch the media eat up the campaign spin on the
> record, that she's got a great shot to win this and win the Presidency. Of
> course, the race gets a whole lot more boring with lower ratings when it's
> Obama vs. McCain, probably with a huge lull in the campaign, where - God
> forbid - the news media will actually have to go out and find and report
> news, and not just campaign talking points sent to them.
>
> I've been trying to figure out for weeks why Hillary Clinton is still in
> this campaign because the math has been obvious for quite some time now.
> Even Mitt Romney had the - what would you call it, decency, wisdom, common
> sense - to drop out after he realized it was mathematically impossible (or
> next to impossible) for him to win.
>
> There is one possibility as to why Senator Clinton might still be in this
> race, inflicting heavy damage on the presumptive Democratic nominee. That
> reason is Hillary 2012.
>
> Now that's a heavy charge. I can't read her mind, so I don't know what her
> true intentions are. We can only judge based on her actions. Her staff
> understands and agrees that she has a very, very small chance of winning,
> but she is still willing to go after front-runner of her own party in the
> strongest possible words.
>
> Look at what she has said about the man she privately believes will be the
> Democratic nominee for President:
>
> He has not crossed the "Commander in Chief threshold" like John McCain

has.
>
> He cannot be trusted to answer the phone at 3am.
>
> His only experience is a speech from 2002.
>
> That he is disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida (even though

she
> agreed to the same rules he did when those states stepped out of line in

the
> primary process).
>
> And, as Bill Clinton intimated yesterday, he doesn't love our country,

like
> Hillary and McCain do.
>
> Those are some serious blows against someone in your own party and might
> seriously hurt his chances of winning the general election. In fact, every
> day that Senator Clinton stays in the race is another day she spends money
> damaging Senator Obama. And every dollar she spends is a dollar in John
> McCain's pocket.
>
> It almost makes you ask - does she want him to lose?
>
> If Obama wins, then Senator Clinton couldn't run again until at least 2016
> (unless something goes terribly wrong). At which point, she would be

almost
> as old as John McCain is now. If she's ever going to become president, she
> has this narrow window.
>
> On the other hand, if Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds

going
> into the general election and winds up losing, then Hillary Clinton is
> sitting pretty in 2012.
>
> In four years, John McCain will be 209 years old, and coming off a
> disastrous first term. We will still be in Iraq and the country will be
> dying for change. If you thought the voters wanted change now, imagine

what
> the situation will be in 2012. Imagine how starved the electorate will be
> for a Democrat if McCain just spent four years replicating George W.

Bush's
> policies - as he is adamantly promising to do on the campaign trail.
>
> At that point, Senator Clinton would be able to swoop in and say, "See,

you
> went with Obama last time and he lost, just like I told you. Now, nominate
> me, and I will take this White House back like we should have four years
> ago!"
>
> Having narrowly lost to Obama in the primary, she would be in a great
> position to say "It's my turn! Let's get this right!"
>
> Is she that cynical? Does she care that little about her own party or her
> own principles? Remember, a McCain win signs us up for more years in Iraq,

a
> possible new war with Iran, an untold number of conservative judges on the
> Supreme Court, a probable overturn of Roe v. Wade, four more years of
> economic pain for the lower and middle class and ... no healthcare reform
> for another four years.
>
> Is anyone that politically craven? To risk all that so they have a better
> chance of winning in 2012? I hope not. I hope she is just being delusional
> and thrashing about in misguided desperation as she continues to wound

Obama
> going into the general election.
>
> But if she is doing this on purpose - and she wants Obama to lose this

time
> around so she has a better chance of winning in 2012 - she better make

damn
> sure that news doesn't leak. Because that kind of political crime would be
> unforgivable. Unforgivable.



It won't work and is a dangerous game Hillary plays. Clinton's will be
ancient history by 2012 and will be out of favor with the upcoming youth in
the Democratic party. She's already losing them and the big dog Bill ain't
helping. All of the innuendo's about McCain being somehow better than Obama
are not sitting well out here in Demo land. If there is more of it during an
Obama-McCain campaign coming from the Clintons or their surrogates those
people will be toast in the next campaign. It's pure folly and political
suicide to expect Democrats to support a fellow Democrat dumb enough to tilt
toward McCain, even a little. Look at how Lieberman is viewed. I doubt he
could be elected dog catcher these days.

If Obama loses to McCain, expect a rebuild of the Democratic party, but one
that will include few players from the past. Bill and Hillary won't be a
part of it.
 
"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47e925ac$0$1159$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?
>>
>> By Cenk Uygur
>>
>> Created Mar 22 2008 - 7:41pm
>>
>>
>> The Politico [1] laid it out very clearly yesterday - and solidified what
>> we've known for weeks [2] - this race is over. Obama has the nomination.
>>
>> Even Hillary Clinton's own campaign admits it! Politico reports, "One
>> important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no
>> more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama,
>> an
>> appraisal that was echoed by other operatives. In other words: The notion

> of
>> the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of
>> make-believe."
>>
>> It's somewhat hilarious to watch the media eat up the campaign spin on
>> the
>> record, that she's got a great shot to win this and win the Presidency.
>> Of
>> course, the race gets a whole lot more boring with lower ratings when
>> it's
>> Obama vs. McCain, probably with a huge lull in the campaign, where - God
>> forbid - the news media will actually have to go out and find and report
>> news, and not just campaign talking points sent to them.
>>
>> I've been trying to figure out for weeks why Hillary Clinton is still in
>> this campaign because the math has been obvious for quite some time now.
>> Even Mitt Romney had the - what would you call it, decency, wisdom,
>> common
>> sense - to drop out after he realized it was mathematically impossible
>> (or
>> next to impossible) for him to win.
>>
>> There is one possibility as to why Senator Clinton might still be in this
>> race, inflicting heavy damage on the presumptive Democratic nominee. That
>> reason is Hillary 2012.
>>
>> Now that's a heavy charge. I can't read her mind, so I don't know what
>> her
>> true intentions are. We can only judge based on her actions. Her staff
>> understands and agrees that she has a very, very small chance of winning,
>> but she is still willing to go after front-runner of her own party in the
>> strongest possible words.
>>
>> Look at what she has said about the man she privately believes will be
>> the
>> Democratic nominee for President:
>>
>> He has not crossed the "Commander in Chief threshold" like John McCain

> has.
>>
>> He cannot be trusted to answer the phone at 3am.
>>
>> His only experience is a speech from 2002.
>>
>> That he is disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida (even though

> she
>> agreed to the same rules he did when those states stepped out of line in

> the
>> primary process).
>>
>> And, as Bill Clinton intimated yesterday, he doesn't love our country,

> like
>> Hillary and McCain do.
>>
>> Those are some serious blows against someone in your own party and might
>> seriously hurt his chances of winning the general election. In fact,
>> every
>> day that Senator Clinton stays in the race is another day she spends
>> money
>> damaging Senator Obama. And every dollar she spends is a dollar in John
>> McCain's pocket.
>>
>> It almost makes you ask - does she want him to lose?
>>
>> If Obama wins, then Senator Clinton couldn't run again until at least
>> 2016
>> (unless something goes terribly wrong). At which point, she would be

> almost
>> as old as John McCain is now. If she's ever going to become president,
>> she
>> has this narrow window.
>>
>> On the other hand, if Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds

> going
>> into the general election and winds up losing, then Hillary Clinton is
>> sitting pretty in 2012.
>>
>> In four years, John McCain will be 209 years old, and coming off a
>> disastrous first term. We will still be in Iraq and the country will be
>> dying for change. If you thought the voters wanted change now, imagine

> what
>> the situation will be in 2012. Imagine how starved the electorate will be
>> for a Democrat if McCain just spent four years replicating George W.

> Bush's
>> policies - as he is adamantly promising to do on the campaign trail.
>>
>> At that point, Senator Clinton would be able to swoop in and say, "See,

> you
>> went with Obama last time and he lost, just like I told you. Now,
>> nominate
>> me, and I will take this White House back like we should have four years
>> ago!"
>>
>> Having narrowly lost to Obama in the primary, she would be in a great
>> position to say "It's my turn! Let's get this right!"
>>
>> Is she that cynical? Does she care that little about her own party or her
>> own principles? Remember, a McCain win signs us up for more years in
>> Iraq,

> a
>> possible new war with Iran, an untold number of conservative judges on
>> the
>> Supreme Court, a probable overturn of Roe v. Wade, four more years of
>> economic pain for the lower and middle class and ... no healthcare reform
>> for another four years.
>>
>> Is anyone that politically craven? To risk all that so they have a better
>> chance of winning in 2012? I hope not. I hope she is just being
>> delusional
>> and thrashing about in misguided desperation as she continues to wound

> Obama
>> going into the general election.
>>
>> But if she is doing this on purpose - and she wants Obama to lose this

> time
>> around so she has a better chance of winning in 2012 - she better make

> damn
>> sure that news doesn't leak. Because that kind of political crime would
>> be
>> unforgivable. Unforgivable.

>
>
> It won't work and is a dangerous game Hillary plays. Clinton's will be
> ancient history by 2012 and will be out of favor with the upcoming youth
> in
> the Democratic party. She's already losing them and the big dog Bill ain't
> helping. All of the innuendo's about McCain being somehow better than
> Obama
> are not sitting well out here in Demo land. If there is more of it during
> an
> Obama-McCain campaign coming from the Clintons or their surrogates those
> people will be toast in the next campaign. It's pure folly and political
> suicide to expect Democrats to support a fellow Democrat dumb enough to
> tilt
> toward McCain, even a little. Look at how Lieberman is viewed. I doubt he
> could be elected dog catcher these days.



Lieberman is well liked by everyone but the bitter rabid leftwing.



> If Obama loses to McCain, expect a rebuild of the Democratic party, but
> one
> that will include few players from the past. Bill and Hillary won't be a
> part of it.
>
>
 
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> "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47e925ac$0$1159$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?
>>>
>>> By Cenk Uygur
>>>
>>> Created Mar 22 2008 - 7:41pm
>>>
>>>
>>> The Politico [1] laid it out very clearly yesterday - and solidified
>>> what
>>> we've known for weeks [2] - this race is over. Obama has the nomination.
>>>
>>> Even Hillary Clinton's own campaign admits it! Politico reports, "One
>>> important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has
>>> no
>>> more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama,
>>> an
>>> appraisal that was echoed by other operatives. In other words: The
>>> notion

>> of
>>> the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of
>>> make-believe."
>>>
>>> It's somewhat hilarious to watch the media eat up the campaign spin on
>>> the
>>> record, that she's got a great shot to win this and win the Presidency.
>>> Of
>>> course, the race gets a whole lot more boring with lower ratings when
>>> it's
>>> Obama vs. McCain, probably with a huge lull in the campaign, where - God
>>> forbid - the news media will actually have to go out and find and report
>>> news, and not just campaign talking points sent to them.
>>>
>>> I've been trying to figure out for weeks why Hillary Clinton is still in
>>> this campaign because the math has been obvious for quite some time now.
>>> Even Mitt Romney had the - what would you call it, decency, wisdom,
>>> common
>>> sense - to drop out after he realized it was mathematically impossible
>>> (or
>>> next to impossible) for him to win.
>>>
>>> There is one possibility as to why Senator Clinton might still be in
>>> this
>>> race, inflicting heavy damage on the presumptive Democratic nominee.
>>> That
>>> reason is Hillary 2012.
>>>
>>> Now that's a heavy charge. I can't read her mind, so I don't know what
>>> her
>>> true intentions are. We can only judge based on her actions. Her staff
>>> understands and agrees that she has a very, very small chance of
>>> winning,
>>> but she is still willing to go after front-runner of her own party in
>>> the
>>> strongest possible words.
>>>
>>> Look at what she has said about the man she privately believes will be
>>> the
>>> Democratic nominee for President:
>>>
>>> He has not crossed the "Commander in Chief threshold" like John McCain

>> has.
>>>
>>> He cannot be trusted to answer the phone at 3am.
>>>
>>> His only experience is a speech from 2002.
>>>
>>> That he is disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida (even though

>> she
>>> agreed to the same rules he did when those states stepped out of line in

>> the
>>> primary process).
>>>
>>> And, as Bill Clinton intimated yesterday, he doesn't love our country,

>> like
>>> Hillary and McCain do.
>>>
>>> Those are some serious blows against someone in your own party and might
>>> seriously hurt his chances of winning the general election. In fact,
>>> every
>>> day that Senator Clinton stays in the race is another day she spends
>>> money
>>> damaging Senator Obama. And every dollar she spends is a dollar in John
>>> McCain's pocket.
>>>
>>> It almost makes you ask - does she want him to lose?
>>>
>>> If Obama wins, then Senator Clinton couldn't run again until at least
>>> 2016
>>> (unless something goes terribly wrong). At which point, she would be

>> almost
>>> as old as John McCain is now. If she's ever going to become president,
>>> she
>>> has this narrow window.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, if Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds

>> going
>>> into the general election and winds up losing, then Hillary Clinton is
>>> sitting pretty in 2012.
>>>
>>> In four years, John McCain will be 209 years old, and coming off a
>>> disastrous first term. We will still be in Iraq and the country will be
>>> dying for change. If you thought the voters wanted change now, imagine

>> what
>>> the situation will be in 2012. Imagine how starved the electorate will
>>> be
>>> for a Democrat if McCain just spent four years replicating George W.

>> Bush's
>>> policies - as he is adamantly promising to do on the campaign trail.
>>>
>>> At that point, Senator Clinton would be able to swoop in and say, "See,

>> you
>>> went with Obama last time and he lost, just like I told you. Now,
>>> nominate
>>> me, and I will take this White House back like we should have four years
>>> ago!"
>>>
>>> Having narrowly lost to Obama in the primary, she would be in a great
>>> position to say "It's my turn! Let's get this right!"
>>>
>>> Is she that cynical? Does she care that little about her own party or
>>> her
>>> own principles? Remember, a McCain win signs us up for more years in
>>> Iraq,

>> a
>>> possible new war with Iran, an untold number of conservative judges on
>>> the
>>> Supreme Court, a probable overturn of Roe v. Wade, four more years of
>>> economic pain for the lower and middle class and ... no healthcare
>>> reform
>>> for another four years.
>>>
>>> Is anyone that politically craven? To risk all that so they have a
>>> better
>>> chance of winning in 2012? I hope not. I hope she is just being
>>> delusional
>>> and thrashing about in misguided desperation as she continues to wound

>> Obama
>>> going into the general election.
>>>
>>> But if she is doing this on purpose - and she wants Obama to lose this

>> time
>>> around so she has a better chance of winning in 2012 - she better make

>> damn
>>> sure that news doesn't leak. Because that kind of political crime would
>>> be
>>> unforgivable. Unforgivable.

>>
>>
>> It won't work and is a dangerous game Hillary plays. Clinton's will be
>> ancient history by 2012 and will be out of favor with the upcoming youth
>> in
>> the Democratic party. She's already losing them and the big dog Bill
>> ain't
>> helping. All of the innuendo's about McCain being somehow better than
>> Obama
>> are not sitting well out here in Demo land. If there is more of it during
>> an
>> Obama-McCain campaign coming from the Clintons or their surrogates those
>> people will be toast in the next campaign. It's pure folly and political
>> suicide to expect Democrats to support a fellow Democrat dumb enough to
>> tilt
>> toward McCain, even a little. Look at how Lieberman is viewed. I doubt he
>> could be elected dog catcher these days.

>
>
> Lieberman is well liked by everyone but the bitter rabid leftwing.


Lieberman is a democrat in name only and a traitor to the democratic party,
not to mention being a traitor to his own constituency and the United
States.
 
Gandalf Grey wrote:
>
> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?
>

Not very well. She seems to be pissing everyone off and if she is
considered the reason for Oblamo losing, if he does, that will make
her off limits in 2012, I think. OTOH, she could come back eight
years later and run a rebellious campaign under the slogan: "Mad
Dog 20/20 or Fight!"

Note that the above slogan from the future Hillary Clinton
campaign is a reference to a previous campaign:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_boundary_dispute
#begin quote
In 1844 the U.S. Democratic Party, appealing to expansionist
sentiment, asserted that the U.S. had a valid claim to the entire
Oregon Country. Democratic presidential candidate James K. Polk won
the 1844 election, but then sought a compromise boundary along the
49th parallel, the same boundary proposed by previous U.S.
administrations. Negotiations between the U.S. and the British
broke down, however, and tensions grew as American expansionists
like U.S. Senator Edward Allen Hannegan of Indiana urged Polk to
annex the entire Oregon Country up to latitude 54
 
"Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "BibsBro" <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message
> news:13uj304mmtgft81@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:8VcGj.2525$p24.2402@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47e925ac$0$1159$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>>> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?
>>>>
>>>> By Cenk Uygur
>>>>
>>>> Created Mar 22 2008 - 7:41pm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Politico [1] laid it out very clearly yesterday - and solidified
>>>> what
>>>> we've known for weeks [2] - this race is over. Obama has the
>>>> nomination.
>>>>
>>>> Even Hillary Clinton's own campaign admits it! Politico reports, "One
>>>> important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has
>>>> no
>>>> more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama,
>>>> an
>>>> appraisal that was echoed by other operatives. In other words: The
>>>> notion
>>> of
>>>> the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of
>>>> make-believe."
>>>>
>>>> It's somewhat hilarious to watch the media eat up the campaign spin on
>>>> the
>>>> record, that she's got a great shot to win this and win the Presidency.
>>>> Of
>>>> course, the race gets a whole lot more boring with lower ratings when
>>>> it's
>>>> Obama vs. McCain, probably with a huge lull in the campaign, where -
>>>> God
>>>> forbid - the news media will actually have to go out and find and
>>>> report
>>>> news, and not just campaign talking points sent to them.
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to figure out for weeks why Hillary Clinton is still
>>>> in
>>>> this campaign because the math has been obvious for quite some time
>>>> now.
>>>> Even Mitt Romney had the - what would you call it, decency, wisdom,
>>>> common
>>>> sense - to drop out after he realized it was mathematically impossible
>>>> (or
>>>> next to impossible) for him to win.
>>>>
>>>> There is one possibility as to why Senator Clinton might still be in
>>>> this
>>>> race, inflicting heavy damage on the presumptive Democratic nominee.
>>>> That
>>>> reason is Hillary 2012.
>>>>
>>>> Now that's a heavy charge. I can't read her mind, so I don't know what
>>>> her
>>>> true intentions are. We can only judge based on her actions. Her staff
>>>> understands and agrees that she has a very, very small chance of
>>>> winning,
>>>> but she is still willing to go after front-runner of her own party in
>>>> the
>>>> strongest possible words.
>>>>
>>>> Look at what she has said about the man she privately believes will be
>>>> the
>>>> Democratic nominee for President:
>>>>
>>>> He has not crossed the "Commander in Chief threshold" like John McCain
>>> has.
>>>>
>>>> He cannot be trusted to answer the phone at 3am.
>>>>
>>>> His only experience is a speech from 2002.
>>>>
>>>> That he is disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida (even though
>>> she
>>>> agreed to the same rules he did when those states stepped out of line
>>>> in
>>> the
>>>> primary process).
>>>>
>>>> And, as Bill Clinton intimated yesterday, he doesn't love our country,
>>> like
>>>> Hillary and McCain do.
>>>>
>>>> Those are some serious blows against someone in your own party and
>>>> might
>>>> seriously hurt his chances of winning the general election. In fact,
>>>> every
>>>> day that Senator Clinton stays in the race is another day she spends
>>>> money
>>>> damaging Senator Obama. And every dollar she spends is a dollar in John
>>>> McCain's pocket.
>>>>
>>>> It almost makes you ask - does she want him to lose?
>>>>
>>>> If Obama wins, then Senator Clinton couldn't run again until at least
>>>> 2016
>>>> (unless something goes terribly wrong). At which point, she would be
>>> almost
>>>> as old as John McCain is now. If she's ever going to become president,
>>>> she
>>>> has this narrow window.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, if Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds
>>> going
>>>> into the general election and winds up losing, then Hillary Clinton is
>>>> sitting pretty in 2012.
>>>>
>>>> In four years, John McCain will be 209 years old, and coming off a
>>>> disastrous first term. We will still be in Iraq and the country will be
>>>> dying for change. If you thought the voters wanted change now, imagine
>>> what
>>>> the situation will be in 2012. Imagine how starved the electorate will
>>>> be
>>>> for a Democrat if McCain just spent four years replicating George W.
>>> Bush's
>>>> policies - as he is adamantly promising to do on the campaign trail.
>>>>
>>>> At that point, Senator Clinton would be able to swoop in and say, "See,
>>> you
>>>> went with Obama last time and he lost, just like I told you. Now,
>>>> nominate
>>>> me, and I will take this White House back like we should have four
>>>> years
>>>> ago!"
>>>>
>>>> Having narrowly lost to Obama in the primary, she would be in a great
>>>> position to say "It's my turn! Let's get this right!"
>>>>
>>>> Is she that cynical? Does she care that little about her own party or
>>>> her
>>>> own principles? Remember, a McCain win signs us up for more years in
>>>> Iraq,
>>> a
>>>> possible new war with Iran, an untold number of conservative judges on
>>>> the
>>>> Supreme Court, a probable overturn of Roe v. Wade, four more years of
>>>> economic pain for the lower and middle class and ... no healthcare
>>>> reform
>>>> for another four years.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone that politically craven? To risk all that so they have a
>>>> better
>>>> chance of winning in 2012? I hope not. I hope she is just being
>>>> delusional
>>>> and thrashing about in misguided desperation as she continues to wound
>>> Obama
>>>> going into the general election.
>>>>
>>>> But if she is doing this on purpose - and she wants Obama to lose this
>>> time
>>>> around so she has a better chance of winning in 2012 - she better make
>>> damn
>>>> sure that news doesn't leak. Because that kind of political crime would
>>>> be
>>>> unforgivable. Unforgivable.
>>>
>>>
>>> It won't work and is a dangerous game Hillary plays. Clinton's will be
>>> ancient history by 2012 and will be out of favor with the upcoming youth
>>> in
>>> the Democratic party. She's already losing them and the big dog Bill
>>> ain't
>>> helping. All of the innuendo's about McCain being somehow better than
>>> Obama
>>> are not sitting well out here in Demo land. If there is more of it
>>> during an
>>> Obama-McCain campaign coming from the Clintons or their surrogates those
>>> people will be toast in the next campaign. It's pure folly and political
>>> suicide to expect Democrats to support a fellow Democrat dumb enough to
>>> tilt
>>> toward McCain, even a little. Look at how Lieberman is viewed. I doubt
>>> he
>>> could be elected dog catcher these days.

>>
>>
>> Lieberman is well liked by everyone but the bitter rabid leftwing.

>
> Lieberman is a democrat in name only and a traitor to the democratic
> party, not to mention being a traitor to his own constituency and the
> United States.


Lieberman was elected by his constituency after losing to Lamont in the Dem
primary. The people had plenty of time to make their choice. How is he a
traitor to the United Sates?
 
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:41:48 -0400, "BibsBro"
<BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote:

>
>"Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:47e98dc6$0$1121$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>
>> "BibsBro" <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message
>> news:13uj304mmtgft81@news.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8VcGj.2525$p24.2402@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:47e925ac$0$1159$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>>>> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?
>>>>>
>>>>> By Cenk Uygur
>>>>>
>>>>> Created Mar 22 2008 - 7:41pm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Politico [1] laid it out very clearly yesterday - and solidified
>>>>> what
>>>>> we've known for weeks [2] - this race is over. Obama has the
>>>>> nomination.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even Hillary Clinton's own campaign admits it! Politico reports, "One
>>>>> important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has
>>>>> no
>>>>> more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama,
>>>>> an
>>>>> appraisal that was echoed by other operatives. In other words: The
>>>>> notion
>>>> of
>>>>> the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of
>>>>> make-believe."
>>>>>
>>>>> It's somewhat hilarious to watch the media eat up the campaign spin on
>>>>> the
>>>>> record, that she's got a great shot to win this and win the Presidency.
>>>>> Of
>>>>> course, the race gets a whole lot more boring with lower ratings when
>>>>> it's
>>>>> Obama vs. McCain, probably with a huge lull in the campaign, where -
>>>>> God
>>>>> forbid - the news media will actually have to go out and find and
>>>>> report
>>>>> news, and not just campaign talking points sent to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been trying to figure out for weeks why Hillary Clinton is still
>>>>> in
>>>>> this campaign because the math has been obvious for quite some time
>>>>> now.
>>>>> Even Mitt Romney had the - what would you call it, decency, wisdom,
>>>>> common
>>>>> sense - to drop out after he realized it was mathematically impossible
>>>>> (or
>>>>> next to impossible) for him to win.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is one possibility as to why Senator Clinton might still be in
>>>>> this
>>>>> race, inflicting heavy damage on the presumptive Democratic nominee.
>>>>> That
>>>>> reason is Hillary 2012.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that's a heavy charge. I can't read her mind, so I don't know what
>>>>> her
>>>>> true intentions are. We can only judge based on her actions. Her staff
>>>>> understands and agrees that she has a very, very small chance of
>>>>> winning,
>>>>> but she is still willing to go after front-runner of her own party in
>>>>> the
>>>>> strongest possible words.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at what she has said about the man she privately believes will be
>>>>> the
>>>>> Democratic nominee for President:
>>>>>
>>>>> He has not crossed the "Commander in Chief threshold" like John McCain
>>>> has.
>>>>>
>>>>> He cannot be trusted to answer the phone at 3am.
>>>>>
>>>>> His only experience is a speech from 2002.
>>>>>
>>>>> That he is disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida (even though
>>>> she
>>>>> agreed to the same rules he did when those states stepped out of line
>>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>>> primary process).
>>>>>
>>>>> And, as Bill Clinton intimated yesterday, he doesn't love our country,
>>>> like
>>>>> Hillary and McCain do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are some serious blows against someone in your own party and
>>>>> might
>>>>> seriously hurt his chances of winning the general election. In fact,
>>>>> every
>>>>> day that Senator Clinton stays in the race is another day she spends
>>>>> money
>>>>> damaging Senator Obama. And every dollar she spends is a dollar in John
>>>>> McCain's pocket.
>>>>>
>>>>> It almost makes you ask - does she want him to lose?
>>>>>
>>>>> If Obama wins, then Senator Clinton couldn't run again until at least
>>>>> 2016
>>>>> (unless something goes terribly wrong). At which point, she would be
>>>> almost
>>>>> as old as John McCain is now. If she's ever going to become president,
>>>>> she
>>>>> has this narrow window.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, if Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds
>>>> going
>>>>> into the general election and winds up losing, then Hillary Clinton is
>>>>> sitting pretty in 2012.
>>>>>
>>>>> In four years, John McCain will be 209 years old, and coming off a
>>>>> disastrous first term. We will still be in Iraq and the country will be
>>>>> dying for change. If you thought the voters wanted change now, imagine
>>>> what
>>>>> the situation will be in 2012. Imagine how starved the electorate will
>>>>> be
>>>>> for a Democrat if McCain just spent four years replicating George W.
>>>> Bush's
>>>>> policies - as he is adamantly promising to do on the campaign trail.
>>>>>
>>>>> At that point, Senator Clinton would be able to swoop in and say, "See,
>>>> you
>>>>> went with Obama last time and he lost, just like I told you. Now,
>>>>> nominate
>>>>> me, and I will take this White House back like we should have four
>>>>> years
>>>>> ago!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Having narrowly lost to Obama in the primary, she would be in a great
>>>>> position to say "It's my turn! Let's get this right!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Is she that cynical? Does she care that little about her own party or
>>>>> her
>>>>> own principles? Remember, a McCain win signs us up for more years in
>>>>> Iraq,
>>>> a
>>>>> possible new war with Iran, an untold number of conservative judges on
>>>>> the
>>>>> Supreme Court, a probable overturn of Roe v. Wade, four more years of
>>>>> economic pain for the lower and middle class and ... no healthcare
>>>>> reform
>>>>> for another four years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone that politically craven? To risk all that so they have a
>>>>> better
>>>>> chance of winning in 2012? I hope not. I hope she is just being
>>>>> delusional
>>>>> and thrashing about in misguided desperation as she continues to wound
>>>> Obama
>>>>> going into the general election.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if she is doing this on purpose - and she wants Obama to lose this
>>>> time
>>>>> around so she has a better chance of winning in 2012 - she better make
>>>> damn
>>>>> sure that news doesn't leak. Because that kind of political crime would
>>>>> be
>>>>> unforgivable. Unforgivable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It won't work and is a dangerous game Hillary plays. Clinton's will be
>>>> ancient history by 2012 and will be out of favor with the upcoming youth
>>>> in
>>>> the Democratic party. She's already losing them and the big dog Bill
>>>> ain't
>>>> helping. All of the innuendo's about McCain being somehow better than
>>>> Obama
>>>> are not sitting well out here in Demo land. If there is more of it
>>>> during an
>>>> Obama-McCain campaign coming from the Clintons or their surrogates those
>>>> people will be toast in the next campaign. It's pure folly and political
>>>> suicide to expect Democrats to support a fellow Democrat dumb enough to
>>>> tilt
>>>> toward McCain, even a little. Look at how Lieberman is viewed. I doubt
>>>> he
>>>> could be elected dog catcher these days.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lieberman is well liked by everyone but the bitter rabid leftwing.

>>
>> Lieberman is a democrat in name only and a traitor to the democratic
>> party, not to mention being a traitor to his own constituency and the
>> United States.

>
>Lieberman was elected by his constituency after losing to Lamont in the Dem
>primary. The people had plenty of time to make their choice. How is he a
>traitor to the United Sates?


I see Connecticut's leading newspaper apologized to their readers the
other day for endorsing him.

Holy Joe is just another stupid right wing joke.
>

--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both

Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001

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I did not see who started this thread but whoever did is a complete
dumbass...


<last_post@rogers.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 25, 12:40 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?
>

## Rather doubtful since she would have to give up
her seat in the senate. But then she might be bored
by the senate and choose not to run for re-election.
 
In article <13uj304mmtgft81@news.supernews.com>, "BibsBro"
<BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote:

>Lieberman is well liked by everyone but the bitter rabid leftwing.


Horseshit. That's what you far-right knuckleheads said about Zell Miller.
 
"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R2503082217330001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...
> In article <13uj304mmtgft81@news.supernews.com>, "BibsBro"
> <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>
>>Lieberman is well liked by everyone but the bitter rabid leftwing.

>
> Horseshit. That's what you far-right knuckleheads said about Zell Miller.


Tell us who doesn't like Lieberman and isn't a liberal democrat?

Zell Miller is my favorite Dem.

By the way would Ted Kennedy or Chuck Schummer have a chance being elected
outside of their states? I think most politicians aren't so popular
nationally.
 
"4000 Dead" <zepp22114000@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
news:79lju3hcnqi4t85mau38i2es0em51f6ek4@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:27:00 -0400, "BibsBro"
> <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
>>news:dennmac-ya02408000R2503082217330001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...
>>> In article <13uj304mmtgft81@news.supernews.com>, "BibsBro"
>>> <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Lieberman is well liked by everyone but the bitter rabid leftwing.
>>>
>>> Horseshit. That's what you far-right knuckleheads said about Zell
>>> Miller.

>>
>>Tell us who doesn't like Lieberman and isn't a liberal democrat?
>>
>>Zell Miller is my favorite Dem.

>
> And that tells us all we really need to know about your sanity.




Back up your words, tell us who doesn't like Lieberman and isn't a liberal
democrat?






>>
>>By the way would Ted Kennedy or Chuck Schummer have a chance being elected
>>outside of their states? I think most politicians aren't so popular
>>nationally.
>>

> --
>
> What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
>
> An ex-Republican.
>
> http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
>
> "Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that
> he's against both
>
> Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
>
> Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
> Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
> For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
> http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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> a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
 
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:27:00 -0400, "BibsBro"
<BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote:

>
>"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
>news:dennmac-ya02408000R2503082217330001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...
>> In article <13uj304mmtgft81@news.supernews.com>, "BibsBro"
>> <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Lieberman is well liked by everyone but the bitter rabid leftwing.

>>
>> Horseshit. That's what you far-right knuckleheads said about Zell Miller.

>
>Tell us who doesn't like Lieberman and isn't a liberal democrat?
>
>Zell Miller is my favorite Dem.


And that tells us all we really need to know about your sanity.
>
>By the way would Ted Kennedy or Chuck Schummer have a chance being elected
>outside of their states? I think most politicians aren't so popular
>nationally.
>

--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both

Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001

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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
 

>> There is one possibility as to why Senator Clinton might still be in this
>> race, inflicting heavy damage on the presumptive Democratic nominee. That
>> reason is Hillary 2012.


That's obvious... If Obama wins in November, he'll almost certainly
be the Dem nominee in 2012 and if he wins that his VP is likely to be
the Dem nominee in 2016... Hillary and Bubba Clinton want Obama to
lose and that will become more and more obvious....

Why would anyone believe that Hillary cares about anything but her own
quest for power?



Milt Shook is too stupid to find out what a Congressional page
does before claiming to have been one....



"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in Maryland. Why is
that hard to believe?"
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=senate+page



"Of course, between commuting an hour each way to and from the Capitol
every day, and trying to keep up with my studies in high school, and
play JV football (I was "too skinny" for varsity, according to my
moronic coach), and a few other extra curricular activities, I
wouldn't have had much time for that, anyway. Especially after I blew
out my knee in the fourth game of the season... damn... "

--Milt Shook, apparently unaware that congressional pages attend school
mornings and evenings at the Capital so they can attend sessions of Congress.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/d4fb757cb481a5c2


"I was a [..Congressional..] page. Twice; and both
under unusual circumstances, especially the second time. "
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f2f538a583cb79c3

Canyon note: Fantasies like that aren't unusual at all for Shook..
 
On Mar 25, 11:30 pm, 4000 Dead <zepp22114...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:57:28 -0700 (PDT), last_p...@rogers.com wrote:
> >On Mar 25, 12:40 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?

>
> >## Rather doubtful since she would have to give up
> > her seat in the senate. But then she might be bored
> > by the senate and choose not to run for re-election.

>
> She would almost certainly be running against an incumbant, probably
> Obama.
>
> Well, in 2016 she'll still be younger than McKook is now...


....and by then she'll probably have as many whiskers on her chin,
too.....
 
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