Is The Bird Flu In The United States And The Government Hasn't Told You?

It seems to be everywhere else...

The Government wouldn't lie to us...would they?

Their poster child George Bush has always been believable.....

TMT

H5N1 bird flu virus confirmed in England By D'ARCY DORAN, Associated

Press Writer

21 minutes ago

Britain confirmed its first outbreak of the H5N1 bird flu in a

domestic flock on Saturday, saying the virus has been detected on a

farm owned by Europe's largest turkey producer where 2,500 turkeys

died.

As a precaution all 159,000 turkeys will be slaughtered on the farm in

Holton in Suffolk, about 130 miles northeast of London, said Britain's

Deputy Chief Veterinary Officer Fred Landeg. He said he expects the

outbreak to be contained.

Television news footage showed piles of slaughtered birds being

funneled into an open tractor trailer before being taken away for

incineration.

Landeg said the virus was detected in only one of 22 turkey sheds on

the farm, which is owned by Bernard Matthews PLC.

Workers have been offered antiviral drugs and are wearing protective

clothing, said Health Protection Agency virologist Maria Zambon. She

added that the virus does not transmit easily to humans and has not

been found to be transmitted through food.

Experts stressed the situation did not pose a public health threat.

The is the first instance of H5N1 in Britain since a wild swan in

Scotland was found to have the virus in March. Turkeys and chickens

are more susceptible to H5N1 than wild birds, who can carry the

disease over long distances without showing symptoms.

"This virus is going to be in bird populations for years to come and

the way in which we'll deal with it is by implementing the well-

rehearsed plan to stamp it out at source," Dr. David Nabarro, the U.N.

influenza coordinator, told British Broadcasting Corp. television.

Bird flu has killed or prompted the culling of millions of birds

worldwide since late 2003 when it first began ravaging Asian poultry

stocks. It has killed at least 164 people worldwide, but remains

difficult for humans to catch. Experts fear it could mutate into a

form that spreads easily among people, potentially sparking a global

pandemic. So far, most human cases have been traced to contact with

infected birds.

===

Lethal bird flu hits Britain, consumers told it's 'safe to eat' by

Andrew Stuart

14 minutes ago

Britain recorded its first outbreak of potentially lethal H5N1 bird

flu in poultry, but authorities said the threat was contained and

farmers insisted it was still "safe to eat".

Police threw a tight cordon around the turkey farm in Holton, Suffolk,

eastern England, after tests revealed the presence of the strain which

has killed more than 160 people globally since 2003.

"Samples from the infected establishment were immediately sent to the

Community Reference Laboratory in Weybridge, which has this morning

swiftly confirmed the disease to be the H5N1 strain of avian

influenza," the European Commission said in a statement.

Further tests are under way to find out whether it is the more

virulent Asian strain of H5N1, which has killed more people than the

strain which appeared in the European Union last year.

Downing Street's COBRA crisis committee met twice Saturday to discuss

the official response, a spokesman for Prime Minister Tony Blair's

office told AFP, although he could not confirm whether ministers were

present.

The strain was detected at a factory farm run by Europe's biggest

turkey producer, Bernard Matthews, which also has subsidiaries in

Germany, Hungary and New Zealand.

The farm is in the heart of England's chicken and turkey-rearing

region and now faces having to slaughter 160,000 birds to contain the

virus.

It is not yet clear how H5N1 infected the animals, which are kept in

warehouses.

But Fred Landeg, Britain's deputy chief veterinary officer, told a

press conference that he believed it had been carried by a wild bird

and was a "recent introduction".

"No birds have left the premises and no product has left the premises

so the disease on that basis has been contained," he said, adding that

all birds on the site were about 56 days old.

He said that there were "no plans" to vaccinate birds and described

the risk to members of the public as "negligible".

Professor John Oxford, a virologist at London's Queen Mary's School of

Medicine and Dentistry, told the BBC that the "most likely"

explanation for the outbreak was that a small bird had come in through

a ventilation shaft.

News of the outbreak prompted Norway to issue restrictions on poultry

-- the animals must now be kept away from wild birds and gatherings,

shows and markets have been banned.

And officials are evaluating the level of risk faced by France in the

wake of the announcement.

In a statement, Bernard Matthews reassured customers that it had

strong biosecurity measures in place.

"While Bernard Matthews can confirm that there has been a case of H5N1

avian influenza at its Holton site, it is important to stress that

none of the affected birds have entered the food chain and there is no

risk to consumers," it said.

Peter Kendall, president of the National Farmers' Union, told BBC

television that shoppers could continue buying poultry.

"There's enormous concern, both for the whole farming community, the

producers of poultry in the United Kingdom, and making sure we get the

message about how well this will be managed and controlled," he said.

"We're encouraging all farmers to be incredibly vigilant, look at

their flocks carefully.

"We do need to reassure consumers, however, that this is not an issue

about safety of poultry. It's completely safe to eat."

A three-kilometre (1.8-mile) protection zone and 10-kilometre

surveillance zone have been thrown around the farm, while strict

movement controls are in place and farmers are being told to keep

poultry indoors.

Police have cordoned off the farm itself and, at the gates of the meat

factory next door, officials were disinfecting vehicles as they moved

on and off the site.

Britain's environment ministry said it was set to impose further

restrictions, adding it was banning bird shows and pigeon racing

nationwide following the outbreak.

Government vets were called to the farm earlier this week after the

death of more than 2,000 turkeys.

In March 2006, a swan found in Cellardyke, on the east Scotland coast,

became the first wild bird in Britain to be found to have the H5N1

variant of the virus.

======

Japan confirms deadly bird flu outbreak Sat Feb 3, 1:41 AM ET

Japanese authorities on Saturday confirmed the country's fourth

outbreak of the virulent H5N1 strain of the bird flu virus at a

poultry farm in the country's south.

About two dozen chickens were found dead at the farm in Shintomi,

southwestern Miyazaki state, last month. The birds had been infected

with the H5N1 strain deadly to humans, the Agricultural Ministry said

Saturday.

The case marks Japan's fourth H5N1 outbreak incident this year and the

third to hit poultry farms in Miyazaki, Japan's largest chicken-

producing region.

Officials began slaughtering the approximately 93,000 chickens at the

Shintomi farm earlier this week.

The farm also has been quarantined, and chicken ranchers within a six-

mile radius are banned from transporting poultry or eggs out of the

area while officials check that the infection has not spread.

The H5N1 virus has killed or prompted the slaughter of millions of

birds across Asia since late 2003, and caused the deaths of at least

164 people worldwide, according to the World Health Organization.

Japan has confirmed only one human H5N1 infection, and no human

deaths.

Bird flu remains hard for humans to catch, but international experts

fear it may mutate into a form that could spread easily between humans

and potentially kill millions around the world.

On Feb 3, 6:56 pm, "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It seems to be everywhere else...

>

> The Government wouldn't lie to us...would they?

>

> Their poster child George Bush has always been believable.....

>

> TMT

>

> H5N1 bird flu virus confirmed in England By D'ARCY DORAN, Associated

> Press Writer

> 21 minutes ago

>

> Britain confirmed its first outbreak of the H5N1 bird flu in a

> domestic flock on Saturday, saying the virus has been detected on a

> farm owned by Europe's largest turkey producer where 2,500 turkeys

> died.

>

> As a precaution all 159,000 turkeys will be slaughtered on the farm in

> Holton in Suffolk, about 130 miles northeast of London, said Britain's

> Deputy Chief Veterinary Officer Fred Landeg. He said he expects the

> outbreak to be contained.

>

> Television news footage showed piles of slaughtered birds being

> funneled into an open tractor trailer before being taken away for

> incineration.

>

> Landeg said the virus was detected in only one of 22 turkey sheds on

> the farm, which is owned by Bernard Matthews PLC.

>

> Workers have been offered antiviral drugs and are wearing protective

> clothing, said Health Protection Agency virologist Maria Zambon. She

> added that the virus does not transmit easily to humans and has not

> been found to be transmitted through food.

>

> Experts stressed the situation did not pose a public health threat.

>

> The is the first instance of H5N1 in Britain since a wild swan in

> Scotland was found to have the virus in March. Turkeys and chickens

> are more susceptible to H5N1 than wild birds, who can carry the

> disease over long distances without showing symptoms.

>

> "This virus is going to be in bird populations for years to come and

> the way in which we'll deal with it is by implementing the well-

> rehearsed plan to stamp it out at source," Dr. David Nabarro, the U.N.

> influenza coordinator, told British Broadcasting Corp. television.

>

> Bird flu has killed or prompted the culling of millions of birds

> worldwide since late 2003 when it first began ravaging Asian poultry

> stocks. It has killed at least 164 people worldwide, but remains

> difficult for humans to catch. Experts fear it could mutate into a

> form that spreads easily among people, potentially sparking a global

> pandemic. So far, most human cases have been traced to contact with

> infected birds.

>

> ===

>

> Lethal bird flu hits Britain, consumers told it's 'safe to eat' by

> Andrew Stuart

> 14 minutes ago

>

> Britain recorded its first outbreak of potentially lethal H5N1 bird

> flu in poultry, but authorities said the threat was contained and

> farmers insisted it was still "safe to eat".

>

> Police threw a tight cordon around the turkey farm in Holton, Suffolk,

> eastern England, after tests revealed the presence of the strain which

> has killed more than 160 people globally since 2003.

>

> "Samples from the infected establishment were immediately sent to the

> Community Reference Laboratory in Weybridge, which has this morning

> swiftly confirmed the disease to be the H5N1 strain of avian

> influenza," the European Commission said in a statement.

>

> Further tests are under way to find out whether it is the more

> virulent Asian strain of H5N1, which has killed more people than the

> strain which appeared in the European Union last year.

>

> Downing Street's COBRA crisis committee met twice Saturday to discuss

> the official response, a spokesman for Prime Minister Tony Blair's

> office told AFP, although he could not confirm whether ministers were

> present.

>

> The strain was detected at a factory farm run by Europe's biggest

> turkey producer, Bernard Matthews, which also has subsidiaries in

> Germany, Hungary and New Zealand.

>

> The farm is in the heart of England's chicken and turkey-rearing

> region and now faces having to slaughter 160,000 birds to contain the

> virus.

>

> It is not yet clear how H5N1 infected the animals, which are kept in

> warehouses.

>

> But Fred Landeg, Britain's deputy chief veterinary officer, told a

> press conference that he believed it had been carried by a wild bird

> and was a "recent introduction".

>

> "No birds have left the premises and no product has left the premises

> so the disease on that basis has been contained," he said, adding that

> all birds on the site were about 56 days old.

>

> He said that there were "no plans" to vaccinate birds and described

> the risk to members of the public as "negligible".

>

> Professor John Oxford, a virologist at London's Queen Mary's School of

> Medicine and Dentistry, told the BBC that the "most likely"

> explanation for the outbreak was that a small bird had come in through

> a ventilation shaft.

>

> News of the outbreak prompted Norway to issue restrictions on poultry

> -- the animals must now be kept away from wild birds and gatherings,

> shows and markets have been banned.

>

> And officials are evaluating the level of risk faced by France in the

> wake of the announcement.

>

> In a statement, Bernard Matthews reassured customers that it had

> strong biosecurity measures in place.

>

> "While Bernard Matthews can confirm that there has been a case of H5N1

> avian influenza at its Holton site, it is important to stress that

> none of the affected birds have entered the food chain and there is no

> risk to consumers," it said.

>

> Peter Kendall, president of the National Farmers' Union, told BBC

> television that shoppers could continue buying poultry.

>

> "There's enormous concern, both for the whole farming community, the

> producers of poultry in the United Kingdom, and making sure we get the

> message about how well this will be managed and controlled," he said.

>

> "We're encouraging all farmers to be incredibly vigilant, look at

> their flocks carefully.

>

> "We do need to reassure consumers, however, that this is not an issue

> about safety of poultry. It's completely safe to eat."

>

> A three-kilometre (1.8-mile) protection zone and 10-kilometre

> surveillance zone have been thrown around the farm, while strict

> movement controls are in place and farmers are being told to keep

> poultry indoors.

>

> Police have cordoned off the farm itself and, at the gates of the meat

> factory next door, officials were disinfecting vehicles as they moved

> on and off the site.

>

> Britain's environment ministry said it was set to impose further

> restrictions, adding it was banning bird shows and pigeon racing

> nationwide following the outbreak.

>

> Government vets were called to the farm earlier this week after the

> death of more than 2,000 turkeys.

>

> In March 2006, a swan found in Cellardyke, on the east Scotland coast,

> became the first wild bird in Britain to be found to have the H5N1

> variant of the virus.

>

> ======

>

> Japan confirms deadly bird flu outbreak Sat Feb 3, 1:41 AM ET

>

> Japanese authorities on Saturday confirmed the country's fourth

> outbreak of the virulent H5N1 strain of the bird flu virus at a

> poultry farm in the country's south.

>

> About two dozen chickens were found dead at the farm in Shintomi,

> southwestern Miyazaki state, last month. The birds had been infected

> with the H5N1 strain deadly to humans, the Agricultural Ministry said

> Saturday.

>

> The case marks Japan's fourth H5N1 outbreak incident this year and the

> third to hit poultry farms in Miyazaki, Japan's largest chicken-

> producing region.

>

> Officials began slaughtering the approximately 93,000 chickens at the

> Shintomi farm earlier this week.

>

> The farm also has been quarantined, and chicken ranchers within a six-

> mile radius are banned from transporting poultry or eggs out of the

> area while officials check that the infection has not spread.

>

> The H5N1 virus has killed or prompted the slaughter of millions of

> birds across Asia since late 2003, and caused the deaths of at least

> 164 people worldwide, according to the World Health Organization.

>

> Japan has confirmed only one human H5N1 infection, and no human

> deaths.

>

> Bird flu remains hard for humans to catch, but international experts

> fear it may mutate into a form that could spread easily between humans

> and potentially kill millions around the world.

you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

to worry about, really.

Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

<snip>

> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

> to worry about, really.

Cite?

--

Notan

On Feb 3, 1:56�pm, "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It seems to be everywhere else...

>

> The Government wouldn't lie to us...would they?

>

> Their poster child George Bush has always been believable.....

>

> TMT

>

> H5N1 bird flu virus confirmed in England By D'ARCY DORAN, Associated

> Press Writer

>

On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

> > to worry about, really.

>

> Cite?

Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>

>> <snip>

>>

>>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

>>> to worry about, really.

>> Cite?

>

> Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

> are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

> nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

Do you know the difference?

--

Notan

On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> > On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> >> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>

> >> <snip>

>

> >>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

> >>> to worry about, really.

> >> Cite?

>

> > Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

> > are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

> > nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

>

> I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

>

> Do you know the difference?

>

> --

> Notan

http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=6536

There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

proportion to sell a few papers.

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> It seems to be everywhere else...

> The Government wouldn't lie to us...would they?

> Their poster child George Bush has always been believable.....

Overpopulation is the main factor in most of

our problems, not this or that party or politician.

As the numbers increase, everything will get worse,

no matter who is in power, because technology

can't catch up quick enough.

It would be much more equitable having each

individual fight the flu on his own, rather than waste

resources having armies fight each other over resources.

By stopping the suppression of influenza, everyone could

be on the front lines, instead of just a few good men.

..

..

--

Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>> On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>>> <snip>

>>>>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

>>>>> to worry about, really.

>>>> Cite?

>>> Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

>>> are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

>>> nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

>> I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

>>

>> Do you know the difference?

>>

>> --

>> Notan

>

>

> http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=6536

>

> There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

> humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

> proportion to sell a few papers.

Better, but how 'bout something more recent than November 8, 2005?

Views can change, a lot, in a year.

--

Notan

On Feb 3, 10:43 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> > On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> >> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> >>> On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> >>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> >>>> <snip>

> >>>>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

> >>>>> to worry about, really.

> >>>> Cite?

> >>> Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

> >>> are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

> >>> nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

> >> I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

>

> >> Do you know the difference?

>

> >> --

> >> Notan

>

> >http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=6536

>

> > There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

> > humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

> > proportion to sell a few papers.

>

> Better, but how 'bout something more recent than November 8, 2005?

>

> Views can change, a lot, in a year.

The most recent one saying it was hyped was April 2006 but I don't

have time to search that long. But there haven't been as many bird flu

articles written since around that time and before because people have

long since realized that the threat of bird flu is a load of media

hype designed to sell a few papers. There will be NO pandemic.

"Darn Good Intelligence" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1170544441.596327.125960@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...

> On Feb 3, 10:43 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>> > On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>> >> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>> >>> On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>> >>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>> >>>> <snip>

>> >>>>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's

>> >>>>> nothing

>> >>>>> to worry about, really.

>> >>>> Cite?

>> >>> Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

>> >>> are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now

>> >>> and

>> >>> nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

>> >> I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

>>

>> >> Do you know the difference?

>>

>> >> --

>> >> Notan

>>

>> >http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=6536

>>

>> > There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

>> > humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

>> > proportion to sell a few papers.

>>

>> Better, but how 'bout something more recent than November 8, 2005?

>>

>> Views can change, a lot, in a year.

>

> The most recent one saying it was hyped was April 2006 but I don't

> have time to search that long. But there haven't been as many bird flu

> articles written since around that time and before because people have

> long since realized that the threat of bird flu is a load of media

> hype designed to sell a few papers. There will be NO pandemic.

Maybe you are right. But then, many "experts" continued to deny the

existence of AIDS/ HIV long after the virus already existed and was

spreading in the human population. Moreover, H5N1 continues to spread in

the avian population, and demonstrates an alarming lethality in bird to

human transmission form. If it retains that characteristic after mutating

to, say, a respiratory human to human transmissible form, the implications

are unpleasant to contemplate. On the other hand, I have participated in

two practice exercises focused on conducting mass vaccination or treatment

of epidemic diseases, so it not like the government hasn't taken any steps

to get ready, either.

Jeff

Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> On Feb 3, 10:43 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>> On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>>>> On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>>>>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

>>>>>>> to worry about, really.

>>>>>> Cite?

>>>>> Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

>>>>> are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

>>>>> nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

>>>> I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

>>>> Do you know the difference?

>>>> --

>>>> Notan

>>> http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=6536

>>> There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

>>> humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

>>> proportion to sell a few papers.

>> Better, but how 'bout something more recent than November 8, 2005?

>>

>> Views can change, a lot, in a year.

>

> The most recent one saying it was hyped was April 2006 but I don't

> have time to search that long. But there haven't been as many bird flu

> articles written since around that time and before because people have

> long since realized that the threat of bird flu is a load of media

> hype designed to sell a few papers. There will be NO pandemic.

You present your opinion as if it's fact.

It isn't.

I've learned to not disbelieve in anything that I don't know for a fact.

--

Notan

Notan wrote:

> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>> On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>>

>>> <snip>

>>>

>>>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

>>>> to worry about, really.

>>> Cite?

>>

>> Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

>> are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

>> nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

>

> I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

>

> Do you know the difference?

>

For assurance check with http://god.com/

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Notan wrote:

> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>> On Feb 3, 10:43 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>>> On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>>>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>>>>> On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>>>>>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

>>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's

>>>>>>>> nothing

>>>>>>>> to worry about, really.

>>>>>>> Cite?

>>>>>> Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

>>>>>> are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

>>>>> I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

>>>>> Do you know the difference?

>>>>> --

>>>>> Notan

>>>> http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=6536

>>>> There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

>>>> humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

>>>> proportion to sell a few papers.

>>> Better, but how 'bout something more recent than November 8, 2005?

>>>

>>> Views can change, a lot, in a year.

>>

>> The most recent one saying it was hyped was April 2006 but I don't

>> have time to search that long. But there haven't been as many bird flu

>> articles written since around that time and before because people have

>> long since realized that the threat of bird flu is a load of media

>> hype designed to sell a few papers. There will be NO pandemic.

>

> You present your opinion as if it's fact.

>

> It isn't.

>

> I've learned to not disbelieve in anything that I don't know for a fact.

>

Gotta watch those double negatives.

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strabo wrote:

> Notan wrote:

>> You present your opinion as if it's fact.

>>

>> It isn't.

>>

>> I've learned to not disbelieve in anything that I don't know for a fact.

>>

>

> Gotta watch those double negatives.

Not really a double negative...

For example, I don't know for a fact that UFOs don't exist and, as a result,

don't disbelieve in them. (Not disbelieving is not the same as believing.)

--

Notan

Notan wrote:

> strabo wrote:

>> Notan wrote:

>>> You present your opinion as if it's fact.

>>>

>>> It isn't.

>>>

>>> I've learned to not disbelieve in anything that I don't know for a fact.

>>>

>>

>> Gotta watch those double negatives.

>

> Not really a double negative...

>

> For example, I don't know for a fact that UFOs don't exist and, as a

Nothing like fixing a double with a triple but I'm working on it.

If I were to say, I do not know for a fact that UFOs do not exist,

then UFOs might exist.

If one disbelieves, one does not believe. OK let's try it...

I do not know for a fact that UFOs do not exist and,

as a result, I do not disbelieve (not believe) in them.

OK.

Apparently you are trying to say that you don't have an opinion

about UFOs.

> result,

> don't disbelieve in them. (Not disbelieving is not the same as believing.)

>

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strabo wrote:

<snip>

> Nothing like fixing a double with a triple but I'm working on it.

>

> If I were to say, I do not know for a fact that UFOs do not exist,

> then UFOs might exist.

>

> If one disbelieves, one does not believe. OK let's try it...

>

> I do not know for a fact that UFOs do not exist and,

> as a result, I do not disbelieve (not believe) in them.

>

> OK.

>

> Apparently you are trying to say that you don't have an opinion

> about UFOs.

Without facts, yes! <g>

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Notan

On Feb 4, 12:10 am, "Seahawk STH" <maja...@wavecable.com> wrote:

> On Feb 3, 3:14 pm, "Darn Good Intelligence" <waynet...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:

>

>

>

> > On Feb 3, 10:43 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

>

> > > Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> > > > On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> > > >> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> > > >>> On Feb 3, 9:38 pm, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> > > >>>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> > > >>>> <snip>

> > > >>>>> you've been reading too many articles about bird flu. there's nothing

> > > >>>>> to worry about, really.

> > > >>>> Cite?

> > > >>> Chances of thevirusmutating into a form transmitable between humans

> > > >>> are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

> > > >>> nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers.

> > > >> I asked for a cite, not your opinion.

>

> > > >> Do you know the difference?

>

> > > >> --

> > > >> Notan

>

> > > >http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=6536

>

> > > > There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

> > > > humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

> > > > proportion to sell a few papers.

>

> > > Better, but how 'bout something more recent than November 8, 2005?

>

> > > Views can change, a lot, in a year.

>

> > The most recent one saying it was hyped was April 2006 but I don't

> > have time to search that long. But there haven't been as many bird flu

> > articles written since around that time and before because people have

> > long since realized that the threat of bird flu is a load of media

> > hype designed to sell a few papers. There will be NOpandemic.- Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Of course there will be a pandemic. Then there will be another one.

> That's how it works. You really mean there will be no pandemic due to

> H5N1 in the very near future. I hope you're right.

Yes, H5N1 has been around for ages now. If it was going to start a

pandemic I believe it would've done so by now. This latest story about

chickens dying on a Suffolk farm in UK is just more media hype

desgined to sell a few papers. I can't say for certain that H5N! wont

cause a pandemic but i dont believe it will.

Quotes from posts allegedly made by 'Darn Good intelligence'...

"...Chances of the virus mutating into a form transmitable between humans

are very low. The media's been raving about bird flu for years now and

nothing ever happens - it's just a way of selling a few papers..."

Are you aware that 'Human to Human' transmission of H5N1 was confirmed in

2006? The strain was confined to a small group of 8 people. 7 died.

That's an 87.5% kill rate. Oh, and before you dismiss it out of hand, it

was a 'chain infection' that infected 3 consecutive humans, or in other

words, the bare minimum to qualify as 'sustained Human spread'...

"...There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all proportion to

sell a few papers..."

Try naming them. Can you get past a dozen? There are plenty of scientists

who ~are~ concerned about H5N1. Check out the 'interviews' section of the

CBC 'Black Dawn' website.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/nextpandemic/interviews.html

"...The most recent one saying it was hyped was April 2006 but I don't have

time to search that long. But there haven't been as many bird flu articles

written since around that time and before because people have long since

realized that the threat of bird flu is a load of media hype designed to

sell a few papers. There will be NO pandemic..."

Are you aware that H5N1 killed more people in 2006 than in the previous 3

years combined?

'Bird Flu Deaths in 2006 Exceed Prior 3 Years Combined'

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a_ax92NXZ59w&refer=asia

Your claim that "...there haven't been as many 'bird flu articles' written

since around that time..." (April 2006) may only be correct for articles

that claim Bird Flu is 'hype'. There have been ~plenty~ of Bird Flu

articles written about the danger of a Pandemic, especially about what the

average Citizen can do to protect themselves and their loved ones. You

obviously aren't reading enough, or at least, aren't reading in the right

places. Check out the CurEvents.com Flu Clinic. They post links to all of

the news articles they cite.

Are you aware that the Romanian Government initiated an 'armed quarantine'

of over 10,000 citizens in Bucharest (the Capital City of Romania) in late

May 2006? The quarantine came ~after~ the H2H2H cluster mentioned above.

The quarantine was lifted after a few days amid heavy political bickering -

officially, although livestock was infected, there were ~no~ Human

infections.

"...Yes, H5N1 has been around for ages now. If it was going to start a

pandemic I believe it would've done so by now. This latest story about

chickens dying on a Suffolk farm in UK is just more media hype desgined to

sell a few papers. I can't say for certain that H5N! wont cause a pandemic

but i dont believe it will..."

It was turkeys that died in the UK. And if you can't say for certain that

H5N1 won't cause a Pandemic, ~why~ are you talking as if it's no big deal,

or in your own words "...media hype designed to sell a few papers..."? Then

again, what makes you think 'H5N1 is hype' articles aren't written for the

sole purpose of selling papers? Or in the case of the Internet, to make

money from webpage adverts?

H5N1 can't start a Pandemic until and unless it mutates into a form capable

of doing so (that is, easily infecting Humans). Mutation takes time, but

H5N1 has come a long way since the first strain discovered. Dangerously

far...

Avian Influenza: "Shelter-In-Place"...

http://ottawa.usembassy.gov/content/textonly.asp?section=issues&document=avi

an_influenza_advice

--

Yours, DBM - dbmacpherson@uq.net.au

From Somewhere in Australia, the Land of Tree-hugging Funnelwebs...

> There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

> humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

> proportion to sell a few papers.

Bird flu is just another propaganda tool that is being used to

create a general climate of fear and uncertainty in the West, for

the purpose of allowing Bush and Olmert to pursue their fascist

goals without serious opposition. It is being used in the same way

as the "terrorist threat" and "global warming."

All these supposed threats have been deliberately inflated for the

purpose of increasing fear in the general public. Fear and

uncertainty make people less inclined to stand up for themselves,

more inclined to allow those who are charged with protecting them

to do whatever the hell they want unopposed.

Al Smith wrote:

>> There are plenty of scientists out there who agree that the threat to

>> humans from bird flu is very low and has been blown out of all

>> proportion to sell a few papers.

>

> Bird flu is just another propaganda tool that is being used to create a

> general climate of fear and uncertainty in the West, for the purpose of

> allowing Bush and Olmert to pursue their fascist goals without serious

> opposition. It is being used in the same way as the "terrorist threat"

> and "global warming."

>

> All these supposed threats have been deliberately inflated for the

> purpose of increasing fear in the general public. Fear and uncertainty

> make people less inclined to stand up for themselves, more inclined to

> allow those who are charged with protecting them to do whatever the hell

> they want unopposed.

Do you idiots share a brain?

--

Notan

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:33:08 -0600, "Jeff McCann"

<NoSpam@NoThanks.Org> wrote:

(snips)

>> The most recent one saying it was hyped was April 2006 but I don't

>> have time to search that long. But there haven't been as many bird flu

>> articles written since around that time and before because people have

>> long since realized that the threat of bird flu is a load of media

>> hype designed to sell a few papers. There will be NO pandemic.

>

>Maybe you are right. But then, many "experts" continued to deny the

>existence of AIDS/ HIV long after the virus already existed and was

>spreading in the human population.

I don't remember that. I DO remember homosexuals refusing

to take the obvious steps required to halt its spread (such

as using condoms and refraining from promiscuous sex), and

instead demanding that the government come up with a cure

that would allow them to continue business-as-usual, in so

far as homosexual sex was concerned. So they, in effect,

killed themselves in large numbers while blaming Other

People for their troubles. "It's all the damned

straight-laced Republicans' fault!" No, it wasn't. But in

a rather efficient, relentless way, the people MOST

responsible for the spread of AIDS were the very same people

who were most likely to be killed by AIDS. Sometimes Nature

works like that. The rest of us just said, "Well, so...?"

>Moreover, H5N1 continues to spread in

>the avian population, and demonstrates an alarming lethality in bird to

>human transmission form. If it retains that characteristic after mutating

>to, say, a respiratory human to human transmissible form, the implications

>are unpleasant to contemplate.

It hasn't mutated into the human-to-human form. It may not

mutate into the human-to-human form. And if it does, there

is a good chance that the effects of the mutation will also

lessen its human lethality. Mutations often have more than

one effect.

> On the other hand, I have participated in

>two practice exercises focused on conducting mass vaccination or treatment

>of epidemic diseases, so it not like the government hasn't taken any steps

>to get ready, either.

What is it that you expect Bush to do about it BEFORE it

happens? He can't order a "flu shot" for a disease that

doesn't even exist. I know some people don't much like

Bush. I don't either. But, really, this version of "It's

all Bush's fault" is ridiculous.

--

Robert Sturgeon

Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

"Robert Sturgeon" <rsturge@inreach.com> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:33:08 -0600, "Jeff McCann"

> <NoSpam@NoThanks.Org> wrote:

>

> (snips)

>

>>> The most recent one saying it was hyped was April 2006 but I don't

>>> have time to search that long. But there haven't been as many bird flu

>>> articles written since around that time and before because people have

>>> long since realized that the threat of bird flu is a load of media

>>> hype designed to sell a few papers. There will be NO pandemic.

>>

>>Maybe you are right. But then, many "experts" continued to deny the

>>existence of AIDS/ HIV long after the virus already existed and was

>>spreading in the human population.

>

> I don't remember that. I DO remember homosexuals refusing

> to take the obvious steps required to halt its spread (such

> as using condoms and refraining from promiscuous sex), and

> instead demanding that the government come up with a cure

> that would allow them to continue business-as-usual, in so

> far as homosexual sex was concerned. So they, in effect,

> killed themselves in large numbers while blaming Other

> People for their troubles. "It's all the damned

> straight-laced Republicans' fault!" No, it wasn't. But in

> a rather efficient, relentless way, the people MOST

> responsible for the spread of AIDS were the very same people

> who were most likely to be killed by AIDS. Sometimes Nature

> works like that. The rest of us just said, "Well, so...?"

Yeah, I remember that, too. As long as it was just a "gay disease" it was

pretty easy and convenient for some to just blame the victims and turn a

blind eye to it. But the same could be said of most heart disease, lung or

cervical cancer, etc,.which are closely coupled to individual behavior or

lifestyle choice, too. Fortunately, some of us have a different attitude

about diseases.

>>Moreover, H5N1 continues to spread in

>>the avian population, and demonstrates an alarming lethality in bird to

>>human transmission form. If it retains that characteristic after mutating

>>to, say, a respiratory human to human transmissible form, the implications

>>are unpleasant to contemplate.

>

> It hasn't mutated into the human-to-human form. It may not

> mutate into the human-to-human form. And if it does, there

> is a good chance that the effects of the mutation will also

> lessen its human lethality. Mutations often have more than

> one effect.

Yep, it might mutate into harmlessness, but it is equally likely to become

even more dangerous in some way. The attention being paid to it in

scientific and governmental quarters is warranted; your apparent dismissal

is not.

>> On the other hand, I have participated in

>>two practice exercises focused on conducting mass vaccination or treatment

>>of epidemic diseases, so it not like the government hasn't taken any steps

>>to get ready, either.

>

> What is it that you expect Bush to do about it BEFORE it

> happens? He can't order a "flu shot" for a disease that

> doesn't even exist. I know some people don't much like

> Bush. I don't either. But, really, this version of "It's

> all Bush's fault" is ridiculous.

You've really become quite the knee-jerk Rightward clown, Robert. My

comment pointed out that the government has been taking precautionary or

prepatory steps all along. Bush was never even mentioned and the comment

was approving, not critical. Yet you imagine I made some sort of attack on

Bush. I don't know which you deserve more, my pity or my contempt.

In News 3Mxxh.46831$qt.20056@bignews5.bellsouth.net,, Jeff McCann at

NoSpam@NoThanks.Org, typed this:

> "Robert Sturgeon" <rsturge@inreach.com> wrote in message

> news:vj2ds25d6a6hk1276qbqgbt6fuplgfviv3@4ax.com...

>

> I don't know which you deserve more, my pity

> or my contempt.

Is there such a thing as pitempt?

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:46:25 -0600, "Jeff McCann" <NoSpam@NoThanks.Org>

wrote:

>>

>> I don't remember that. I DO remember homosexuals refusing

>> to take the obvious steps required to halt its spread (such

>> as using condoms and refraining from promiscuous sex), and

>> instead demanding that the government come up with a cure

>> that would allow them to continue business-as-usual, in so

>> far as homosexual sex was concerned. So they, in effect,

>> killed themselves in large numbers while blaming Other

>> People for their troubles. "It's all the damned

>> straight-laced Republicans' fault!" No, it wasn't. But in

>> a rather efficient, relentless way, the people MOST

>> responsible for the spread of AIDS were the very same people

>> who were most likely to be killed by AIDS. Sometimes Nature

>> works like that. The rest of us just said, "Well, so...?"

>

>Yeah, I remember that, too. As long as it was just a "gay disease" it was

>pretty easy and convenient for some to just blame the victims and turn a

>blind eye to it. But the same could be said of most heart disease, lung or

>cervical cancer, etc,.which are closely coupled to individual behavior or

>lifestyle choice, too. Fortunately, some of us have a different attitude

>about diseases.

You are calling a sexually transmitted disease the same as over eating

and so forth? Btw..cervical cancer may well indeed be a STD..at least

the most common type.

Heads up Jeff..having too many burgers before going out on at

date..doesnt give your date a death sentence if you fuck her/him without

taking precautions

Cholesterol isn't contagious.

Your liberal blather is once again noted.

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and

rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,

which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible

to pick up a turd by the clean end.