Guest Greg Brown Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 The Audacity of Rhetoric By Thomas Sowell It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious. Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time -- and a bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it. It makes a good story, but it won't stand up under scrutiny. Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously sought out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my friends carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My Father." These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets" -- in Obama's own words -- as well as the "more politically active black students." He later visited a former member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he ran for state senator. Obama didn't just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college -- members of the left, anti-American counter-culture. In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama -- "A Bound Man" -- it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to blackness, as it were -- and, like many converts, he went overboard. Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S. Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite inconsistencies in what he says. The irony is that Obama's sudden rise politically to the level of being the leading contender for his party's presidential nomination has required him to project an entirely different persona, that of a post-racial leader who can heal divisiveness and bring us all together. The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's talent and a warning about his reliability. There is no evidence that Obama ever sought to educate himself on the views of people on the other end of the political spectrum, much less reach out to them. He reached out from the left to the far left. That's bringing us all together? Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left? Who on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about Jeremiah Wright? One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing comment by his grandmother -- "a typical white person," he says -- with an organized campaign of public vilification of America in general and white America in particular, by Jeremiah Wright. Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and different except for the similarities, it is always possible to make things look similar verbally, however different they are in the real world. Among the many desperate gambits by defenders of Senator Obama and Jeremiah Wright is to say that Wright's words have a "resonance" in the black community. There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined the KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it OK? Is it all just a matter of whose ox is gored? While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big- time, for decades to come. Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may have. http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell032608.php3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sally Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It is painful to watch Thomas Sowell tomming for the Jewish World Review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Sal Video Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 "Greg Brown" <gregvbrown@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6a62173f-994d-4ee1-80b6-8bdfdd36f653@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Mar 27, 10:21 am, Sally <gurfin...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is painful to watch Thomas Sowell tomming for the Jewish World > Review. Translation: His article makes a lot of sense and you can't refute it. LOL Just because Uncle Tom Sowell makes sense to you doesn't mean he does to thinking people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest babeejm Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 On Mar 27, 1:14 pm, Greg Brown <gregvbr...@hotmail.com> wrote: > The Audacity of Rhetoric > > By Thomas Sowell > > It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves > into > knots trying to evade the obvious. > > Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for > what > his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack > Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time -- and > a > bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it. > > It makes a good story, but it won't stand up under scrutiny. > > Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously > sought out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my > friends carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My > Father." > > These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists > and punk rock performance poets" -- in Obama's own words -- as well > as > the "more politically active black students." He later visited a > former member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed > him when he ran for state senator. > > Obama didn't just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just > happened to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same > mold as the kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college > -- members of the left, anti-American counter-culture. > > In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama -- > "A > Bound Man" -- it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those > people > seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in > growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to > blackness, as it were -- and, like many converts, he went overboard. > > Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S. > Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable > consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite > inconsistencies in what he says. > > The irony is that Obama's sudden rise politically to the level of > being the leading contender for his party's presidential nomination > has required him to project an entirely different persona, that of a > post-racial leader who can heal divisiveness and bring us all > together. > > The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, > and entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the > man's talent and a warning about his reliability. > > There is no evidence that Obama ever sought to educate himself on the > views of people on the other end of the political spectrum, much less > reach out to them. He reached out from the left to the far left. > That's bringing us all together? > > Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left? > Who on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became > politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about > Jeremiah Wright? > > One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing > comment by his grandmother -- "a typical white person," he says -- > with > an organized campaign of public vilification of America in general > and > white America in particular, by Jeremiah Wright. > > Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and > different except for the similarities, it is always possible to make > things look similar verbally, however different they are in the real > world. > > Among the many desperate gambits by defenders of Senator Obama and > Jeremiah Wright is to say that Wright's words have a "resonance" in > the black community. > > There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among > whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined > the KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it > OK? Is it all just a matter of whose ox is gored? > > While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year > from now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But > many > blacks who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big- > time, for decades to come. > > Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational > standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message > that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is > stacked > against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however > much audacity it may have. > > http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell032608.php3 It is painful to watch these people who think Barack is the latest savior..and when they find out what he's really like..Senator BHO is capitalizing on peoples distrust and dislike of whites to get the nomination..He will have a lot more work to do to win the election! You can't pull this sort of stunt twice and expect to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HarryNadds Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 On Mar 27, 12:39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Greg Brown wrote: > The Audacity of Rhetoric > > By Thomas Sowell > > > It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves > into > knots trying to evade the obvious. > > > Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for > what > his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. So pathetic that you're still carrying on about this while the polls show its done all the anti-Obama people more harm than good. ROTFL -- Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Obama Yo Mama's A White Cracker Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 "Sally" <gurfinkle@gmail.com> wrote in message news:31b20b9f-cb92-4b20-9244-1b0ee1329b3b@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > It is painful to watch Thomas Sowell tomming for the Jewish World > Review. > ======= Its funny to watch liberals snip out all the facts presented in the article that they have no answer for . Just ObamaBots in lockstep with their racist leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bert Byfield Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 >> Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational >> standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the >> message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the >> deck is stacked >> against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, >> however much audacity it may have. > It is painful to watch these people who think Barack is the latest > savior..and when they > find out what he's really like..Senator BHO is capitalizing on > peoples distrust > and dislike of whites to get the nomination..He will have a lot > more work > to do to win the election! You can't pull this sort of stunt > twice and expect > to win. The Karl Rove zombies are getting busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest itsall_bull Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 On Mar 27, 12:34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 itsall_bull wrote: > On Mar 27, 12:34 pm, Wolfie <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote: >> Greg Brown wrote: >>> The Audacity of Rhetoric >>> By Thomas Sowell >>> It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves >>> into >>> knots trying to evade the obvious. >>> Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for >>> what >>> his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. >> So pathetic that you're still carrying on about this while >> the polls show its done all the anti-Obama people more harm >> than good. ROTFL >> >> -- >> Wolfie > > Well Wolfie, I take it you agree with Black Liberation Theology, > Jeremiah Wrong and his toady Obama. LOL! Thats like saying you're responsible for everything your cousin says!!! What kind of ignorant, gullible morons do you think the American people are to be taken in by this disingenuous nonsense??? -- Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HarryNadds Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 On Mar 27, 2:29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 HarryNadds wrote: > On Mar 27, 2:29 pm, Wolfie <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote: >> itsall_bull wrote: >>> On Mar 27, 12:34 pm, Wolfie <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote: >>>> Greg Brown wrote: >>>>> The Audacity of Rhetoric >>>>> By Thomas Sowell >>>>> It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves >>>>> into >>>>> knots trying to evade the obvious. >>>>> Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for >>>>> what >>>>> his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. >>>> So pathetic that you're still carrying on about this while >>>> the polls show its done all the anti-Obama people more harm >>>> than good. ROTFL >>>> -- >>>> Wolfie >>> Well Wolfie, I take it you agree with Black Liberation Theology, >>> Jeremiah Wrong and his toady Obama. >> LOL! Thats like saying you're responsible for everything your >> cousin says!!! What kind of ignorant, gullible morons do >> you think the American people are to be taken in by >> this disingenuous nonsense??? >> >> -- >> Wolfie- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > You can't chose your cousins but you can damned sure choose your > precher.If he did'nt agree with the racist reverand he would'nt have > hung around for 20 years Bottom line. You can keep this story front and center for 6 months. Its having less effect now, and everyone has seen through it and is bored with it. -- Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HarryNadds Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 On Mar 27, 3:05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 HarryNadds wrote: > On Mar 27, 3:05 pm, Wolfie <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote: >> HarryNadds wrote: >>> On Mar 27, 2:29 pm, Wolfie <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote: >>>> itsall_bull wrote: >>>>> On Mar 27, 12:34 pm, Wolfie <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote: >>>>>> Greg Brown wrote: >>>>>>> The Audacity of Rhetoric >>>>>>> By Thomas Sowell >>>>>>> It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves >>>>>>> into >>>>>>> knots trying to evade the obvious. >>>>>>> Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. >>>>>> So pathetic that you're still carrying on about this while >>>>>> the polls show its done all the anti-Obama people more harm >>>>>> than good. ROTFL >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wolfie >>>>> Well Wolfie, I take it you agree with Black Liberation Theology, >>>>> Jeremiah Wrong and his toady Obama. >>>> LOL! Thats like saying you're responsible for everything your >>>> cousin says!!! What kind of ignorant, gullible morons do >>>> you think the American people are to be taken in by >>>> this disingenuous nonsense??? >>>> -- >>>> Wolfie- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> You can't chose your cousins but you can damned sure choose your >>> precher.If he did'nt agree with the racist reverand he would'nt have >>> hung around for 20 years >> Bottom line. You can keep this story front and center for >> 6 months. Its having less effect now, and everyone has seen through >> it and is bored with it. >> >> -- >> Wolfie- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Wrong!! EVERYBODY'S not bored with it.It won't be swept under the rug > no matter how hard you Obamanistas try.It's a very good indication of > who Hussein REALLY is.More will come out.He's as good as done.Stick a > fork in the boy. ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Sally wrote: > > It is painful to watch Thomas Sowell tomming for the Jewish World > Review. > Really? So it's the only right thing to do for a black man not to like Jews? Is that it? -- "Question, two men starving to death decide to eat their hair like spaghetti. Is that funny?" "Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people laugh." -+Eddie Izzard and Joanna Lumley, "The Cat's Meow" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Sal Video wrote: > > "Greg Brown" <gregvbrown@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:6a62173f-994d-4ee1-80b6-8bdfdd36f653@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 27, 10:21 am, Sally <gurfin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It is painful to watch Thomas Sowell tomming for the Jewish World > > Review. > > Translation: His article makes a lot of sense and you can't refute > it. > > LOL Just because Uncle Tom Sowell makes sense to you doesn't mean he does to > thinking people. > Instead of cutting every single word that Sowell wrote, why not keep some of it and refute it? Of course the answer is because you cannot, isn't it? -- "Question, two men starving to death decide to eat their hair like spaghetti. Is that funny?" "Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people laugh." -+Eddie Izzard and Joanna Lumley, "The Cat's Meow" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Wolfie wrote: > > Greg Brown wrote: > > The Audacity of Rhetoric > > > > By Thomas Sowell > > > > > > It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves > > into > > knots trying to evade the obvious. > > > > > > Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for > > what > > his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. > > So pathetic that you're still carrying on about this while > the polls show its done all the anti-Obama people more harm > than good. ROTFL > Noting that Oblamo was involved with an anti-American preacher by choice might resonate against those who point it out in the Dem primaries, but I wonder about the general election. -- "Question, two men starving to death decide to eat their hair like spaghetti. Is that funny?" "Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people laugh." -+Eddie Izzard and Joanna Lumley, "The Cat's Meow" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest B1ackwater Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:20:55 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )" <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > >Wolfie wrote: >> >> Greg Brown wrote: >> > The Audacity of Rhetoric >> > >> > By Thomas Sowell >> > >> > >> > It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves >> > into >> > knots trying to evade the obvious. >> > >> > >> > Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for >> > what >> > his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. >> >> So pathetic that you're still carrying on about this while >> the polls show its done all the anti-Obama people more harm >> than good. ROTFL >> >Noting that Oblamo was involved with an anti-American preacher by >choice might resonate against those who point it out in the Dem >primaries, but I wonder about the general election. According to Gallup ... over the past week or so since the preacher story hit the airwaves ... HRCs approval rating went DOWN and Obamas went UP. Seems that nobody CARES about Obamas 60s-leftover preacher and his almost quaintly-amusing rantings. They DO care about HRC being "mean" to Obama however ... And that's the way it is. I saw a perfect political cartoon today - showing the "Hillary Clinton Sniper Rifle". The picture was of a scoped AK-47 with the barrel bent into a "U" shape, pointing right back towards the sniper. That Obama would gain and HRC would lose over the preacher story may not make SENSE ... but elections aren't so much about "sense" and logic as they are about emotions and perceptions. Obama just plain comes across as a really nice, earnest guy and ANYBODY who says different is obviously a cruel lying scumbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gogarty Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 In article <47ed50f5.6276125@news.east.earthlink.net>, bw@barrk.net says... > > >On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:20:55 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique >allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )" ><tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> >>Wolfie wrote: >>> >>> Greg Brown wrote: >>> > The Audacity of Rhetoric >>> > >>> > By Thomas Sowell >>> > >>> > >>> > It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves >>> > into >>> > knots trying to evade the obvious. >>> > >>> > >>> > Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for >>> > what >>> > his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. >>> >>> So pathetic that you're still carrying on about this while >>> the polls show its done all the anti-Obama people more harm >>> than good. ROTFL >>> >>Noting that Oblamo was involved with an anti-American preacher by >>choice might resonate against those who point it out in the Dem >>primaries, but I wonder about the general election. > > > According to Gallup ... over the past week or so since > the preacher story hit the airwaves ... HRCs approval > rating went DOWN and Obamas went UP. > > Seems that nobody CARES about Obamas 60s-leftover > preacher and his almost quaintly-amusing rantings. > They DO care about HRC being "mean" to Obama however ... > > And that's the way it is. > > I saw a perfect political cartoon today - showing > the "Hillary Clinton Sniper Rifle". The picture > was of a scoped AK-47 with the barrel bent into > a "U" shape, pointing right back towards the > sniper. > > That Obama would gain and HRC would lose over the > preacher story may not make SENSE ... but elections > aren't so much about "sense" and logic as they are > about emotions and perceptions. Obama just plain > comes across as a really nice, earnest guy and > ANYBODY who says different is obviously a cruel > lying scumbag. > Intrade says ther same. Obama is at over 80% and Clinton less than 20%. The whole Wright thing was a blip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Gogarty wrote: > > In article <47ed50f5.6276125@news.east.earthlink.net>, bw@barrk.net > says... > > > > > >On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:20:55 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique > >allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )" > ><tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>Wolfie wrote: > >>> > >>> Greg Brown wrote: > >>> > The Audacity of Rhetoric > >>> > > >>> > By Thomas Sowell > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves > >>> > into > >>> > knots trying to evade the obvious. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for > >>> > what > >>> > his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. > >>> > >>> So pathetic that you're still carrying on about this while > >>> the polls show its done all the anti-Obama people more harm > >>> than good. ROTFL > >>> > >>Noting that Oblamo was involved with an anti-American preacher by > >>choice might resonate against those who point it out in the Dem > >>primaries, but I wonder about the general election. > > > > > > According to Gallup ... over the past week or so since > > the preacher story hit the airwaves ... HRCs approval > > rating went DOWN and Obamas went UP. > > > > Seems that nobody CARES about Obamas 60s-leftover > > preacher and his almost quaintly-amusing rantings. > > They DO care about HRC being "mean" to Obama however ... > > > > And that's the way it is. > > > > I saw a perfect political cartoon today - showing > > the "Hillary Clinton Sniper Rifle". The picture > > was of a scoped AK-47 with the barrel bent into > > a "U" shape, pointing right back towards the > > sniper. > > > > That Obama would gain and HRC would lose over the > > preacher story may not make SENSE ... but elections > > aren't so much about "sense" and logic as they are > > about emotions and perceptions. Obama just plain > > comes across as a really nice, earnest guy and > > ANYBODY who says different is obviously a cruel > > lying scumbag. > > > Intrade says ther same. Obama is at over 80% and Clinton less than 20%. > The whole Wright thing was a blip. > That alone doesn't seem to be enough to prevent him from the nomination. The issue for Democrats though seems the general election. -- "Question, two men starving to death decide to eat their hair like spaghetti. Is that funny?" "Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people laugh." -+Eddie Izzard and Joanna Lumley, "The Cat's Meow" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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