JC Penney, Kohls Predict Wal-Mart Will Stomp Their Asses in Holiday Season Shopping

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Penney, Kohls Predict Tough Holidays

Friday, November 16, 2007

MILWAUKEE -- Retailers J.C. Penney Co. and Kohl's Corp., whose middle income
customers are struggling amid a souring economy, offered a bleak outlook for
the holiday quarter as they reported a drop in third-quarter profits.

Plano, Texas-based Penney reported third-quarter profit fell 9 percent, hurt
by weak sales in September and October.

Kohl's, based in Menomonee Falls, Wis., said its profit dropped 14 percent,
with a double-digit dip in sales of outerwear, sweaters and other
cold-weather items during the unseasonably warm fall.

The showings don't bode well for the retail industry in the all-important
holiday season, said David Heupel, portfolio manager for Thrivent Investment
Management Inc. in Minneapolis. Rival Macy's Inc. said Wednesday it expects
lower same-store sales for the year.

"This solidifies it's really going to be a difficult holiday season," he
said.

Both Kohl's and Penney reported drops in same-store sales, or sales at
stores open at least a year, a key indicator of retailer health. Kohl's
reported a 2.6 percent drop, while Penney's fell 3.5 percent.

"We think people expected bad news, but this may be a bit more than was
broadly expected," Dana Cohen, an analyst for Banc of America Securities,
said in a note to clients.

Penney's shares hit a new 52-week low below $44 a share before closing down
$2.40, or 5.14 percent, to $44.33.

Kohl's reported its earnings results after markets closed. Kohl's shares,
which had fallen 46 cents to $48.92 in regular trading, dropped 72 cents, or
1.5 percent, in after-hours trading.

In the quarter ended Nov. 3, Penney's earnings fell to $261 million, or
$1.17 per share, from $287 million, or $1.26 per share, a year earlier.
Excluding a gain of 14 cents per share from state and federal tax benefits,
net income was $1.03 per share.

Analysts, who usually exclude such one-time items, expected a profit of
$1.01 per share, according to Thomson Financial.

Penney was able to beat Wall Street's profit target because it sharply
lowered expectations after missing September sales goals.

Third-quarter revenue fell 1 percent to $4.73 billion, below the $4.76
billion forecast of analysts surveyed by Thomson.

Penney said it expects to earn $1.65 to $1.80 per share in the fourth
quarter, down from its earlier forecast of $2.41 per share. Analysts were
predicting $1.98 per share. The company said same-store sales would decline
by a low-single digit percentage.

Penney Chairman and Chief Executive Myron E. "Mike" Ullman III was quick to
point out that the slump is a result of a weakening economy and troubled
housing markets. The company, he said, was not doing anything wrong.

"It's not as if we got dumb all of a sudden," Ullman said.

But the retailers are going to have to start thinking if they want to keep
their inventories low and their sales high, Heupel said. He predicted
there's room for lots of promotions and sales this holiday season, as a way
to lure customers into stores.

Kohl's President Kevin Mansell said the holiday season would be "very
promotional" and he's already seen that happen with competitors.

"I think we watched the promotion activity in the third quarter and that's
become much more heated, and that just a fact, and so we have to be prepared
to do so well," he told investors on a conference call.

Kohl's said it earned $194 million, or 61 cents per share, in the
three-month period ended Nov. 3. That compared with $224.5 million, or 68
cents per share, a year ago, and just beat analyst expectations of 60 cents
a share, according to a poll by Thomson Financial.

But sales fell short of analyst expectations of nearly $3.9 billion. Sales
were up to $3.83 billion for the quarter from $3.65 billion in the year-ago
period.

Kohl's predicted same store sales would fall as much as 2 percent in the
fourth quarter, so it lowered its earnings expectations to a range of $1.45
to $1.51 per share. The company also lowered its full-year guidance for
earnings per share to a range of $3.52 to $3.58, down from a range of $3.77
to $3.87.
 
"Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Patriot Games wrote:
>> http://www.newsmax.com/money/Penney,_Kohls_Predict_Tou/2007/11/16/50014.html
>> Penney, Kohls Predict Tough Holidays
>> Friday, November 16, 2007
>> MILWAUKEE -- Retailers J.C. Penney Co. and Kohl's Corp., whose middle
>> income customers are struggling amid a souring economy,

> Nice of you and newsmax to assert that Bush's economy sucks balls.


Except that it doesn't.

Wal-Mart is doing fine.

Very high-end retailers are doing fine.
 
Patriot Games wrote:
> "Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kYqdnY1jsPMafKDanZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/money/Penney,_Kohls_Predict_Tou/2007/11/16/50014.html
>>> Penney, Kohls Predict Tough Holidays
>>> Friday, November 16, 2007
>>> MILWAUKEE -- Retailers J.C. Penney Co. and Kohl's Corp., whose middle
>>> income customers are struggling amid a souring economy,

>> Nice of you and newsmax to assert that Bush's economy sucks balls.

>
> Except that it doesn't.
>
> Wal-Mart is doing fine.
>
> Very high-end retailers are doing fine.
>
>

So, why did you and NewsMax say "amid a souring economy"?
 
"Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Patriot Games wrote:
>> "Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:kYqdnY1jsPMafKDanZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/money/Penney,_Kohls_Predict_Tou/2007/11/16/50014.html
>>>> Penney, Kohls Predict Tough Holidays
>>>> Friday, November 16, 2007
>>>> MILWAUKEE -- Retailers J.C. Penney Co. and Kohl's Corp., whose middle
>>>> income customers are struggling amid a souring economy,
>>> Nice of you and newsmax to assert that Bush's economy sucks balls.

>> Except that it doesn't.
>> Wal-Mart is doing fine.
>> Very high-end retailers are doing fine.

> So, why did you and NewsMax say "amid a souring economy"?


Anytime spending is off pace the media goes negative.

If we were growing at 8% and it dropped to 6% the media would say its a
"souring economy."

If it then goes to 6.01% the media will claim a 'powerful rebounding surge'
in the 'previously stagnant economy.'

Its bullshit rhetoric designed to impress idiots.

And it worked on you.
 
Patriot Games wrote:
> "Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:U6WdnbKsGe8VrKPanZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>> "Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:kYqdnY1jsPMafKDanZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/money/Penney,_Kohls_Predict_Tou/2007/11/16/50014.html
>>>>> Penney, Kohls Predict Tough Holidays
>>>>> Friday, November 16, 2007
>>>>> MILWAUKEE -- Retailers J.C. Penney Co. and Kohl's Corp., whose
>>>>> middle income customers are struggling amid a souring economy,
>>>> Nice of you and newsmax to assert that Bush's economy sucks balls.
>>> Except that it doesn't.
>>> Wal-Mart is doing fine.
>>> Very high-end retailers are doing fine.

>> So, why did you and NewsMax say "amid a souring economy"?

>
> Anytime spending is off pace the media goes negative.
>
> If we were growing at 8% and it dropped to 6% the media would say its
> a "souring economy."
>
> If it then goes to 6.01% the media will claim a 'powerful rebounding
> surge' in the 'previously stagnant economy.'
>
> Its bullshit rhetoric designed to impress idiots.
>
> And it worked on you.



How many six packs
does it take for you
to dream this bullshit up?
 
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> Patriot Games wrote:
>> "Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:U6WdnbKsGe8VrKPanZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>>> "Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:kYqdnY1jsPMafKDanZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/money/Penney,_Kohls_Predict_Tou/2007/11/16/50014.html
>>>>>> Penney, Kohls Predict Tough Holidays
>>>>>> Friday, November 16, 2007
>>>>>> MILWAUKEE -- Retailers J.C. Penney Co. and Kohl's Corp., whose
>>>>>> middle income customers are struggling amid a souring economy,
>>>>> Nice of you and newsmax to assert that Bush's economy sucks balls.
>>>> Except that it doesn't.
>>>> Wal-Mart is doing fine.
>>>> Very high-end retailers are doing fine.
>>> So, why did you and NewsMax say "amid a souring economy"?

>> Anytime spending is off pace the media goes negative.
>> If we were growing at 8% and it dropped to 6% the media would say its
>> a "souring economy."
>> If it then goes to 6.01% the media will claim a 'powerful rebounding
>> surge' in the 'previously stagnant economy.'
>> Its bullshit rhetoric designed to impress idiots.
>> And it worked on you.

> How many six packs
> does it take for you
> to dream this bullshit up?


So far this year I'm UP over 9%....

You? Losing your shirt, pants, socks, everything.

I rarely even drink beer.

Wise up.
 
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