Lack of Health Insurance Linked to Stroke Risk, Study Finds (HealthDay News) + Comment

{Comment}

While the figure for number of Americans without health insurance has

been a variable statiistic (always more than 40 million, and currently

according to the Los Angeles Times 47+ million), one thing has been

constant -- itts cause, a system which considered health care as a

commodity. The polar opposite is the Cuban system, where not only is

health care (like, edcuation) is considered a right and is thus

available to ALL that country's inhahitants AT NO CHARGE, where tens

of thousands of Cuban doctors (including roughly 20,000 now in

Venezuela) have volunteered (and/or as part of a requirement of Cuba's

medical school curriculum) to go abroad to provide provide medical

services AT NO CHARGE to the poor and other medically underserved of

many "Third World" countries. Moreover, Cuba has provided FREE

training to become doctors to literally thousands of those qualified

individuals from the "Third World" (especially Latin America and

Africa) in exchange for a pledge that they return to their home

countries to serve the poor and medical underserved. Whether Cuba's

projections of training 100,000 new doctors in the course of a decade

are realistic may be debated (with current attendance rosters and

graduation rates at Havana's Latin American School of Medicine

indicating that the goal may not be so over-ambitious); what is

undebatable is that the proposal (and now programme) is part and

parcel of Cuba's internationalism.

If, because of a belief in justice, you get angry while reading the

information on the article below, "Lack of Health Insurance Linked to

Stroke Risk, Study Finds," remember that heightened blood pressure

also increases the risk of stroke, and therefore get involved in

protesting U.S. policies instead of just staying mad.

-- Barry Schier

{Article}

Lack of Health Insurance Linked to Stroke Risk, Study Finds

(YahooNews timestamp of Fri Apr 6, 11:47 PM ET}

FRIDAY, April 6 (HealthDay News) -- Americans who don't have health

insurance may have an increased risk of stroke.

So says a new study in the April issue of the Journal of the Society

of General Internal Medicine.

People without health insurance are more likely to forego routine

physical exams and to be unaware of cardiovascular disease risk

factors such as diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol

levels, the researchers said.

"Hypertension is the most powerful risk factor for stroke, and, in our

study, we found that hypertension was significantly less likely to be

well controlled in those lacking insurance," study lead author Dr.

Angela Fowler-Brown said in a prepared statement. She is a physician

in the division of general medicine and primary care at Beth

Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, and an instructor of

medicine at Harvard Medical School.

The prospective study of 15,792 people in the Atherosclerosis Risk in

Communities database identified a significant statistical relationship

between lack of health insurance and: lower use of primary care

services; decreased awareness of personal cardiovascular risk factors;

poorer control of hypertension; and increased rates of stroke and

death.

"We believe that our findings underscore the great importance of

medical insurance in maintaining the health of the population," Fowler-

Brown said. "As medical science continues to advance, we fear that the

health disparities between those who have access to medical care

through insurance and those who do not may continue to grow."

More information

The U.S. National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke has

more about stroke risk factors and prevention.

More communist bullshit..

"Barry Schier" <bschier@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 7, 12:38 pm, "Whip" <n...@none.com> wrote:

> More communist bullshit..

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Yo no s

Barry y tu las demas rameras son mierda desde que nacieron.

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On Apr 7, 12:38 pm, "Whip" <n...@none.com> wrote:

> More communist bullshit..

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> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 7, 12:23 pm, "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 7, 12:38 pm, "Whip" <n...@none.com> wrote:

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> > More communist bullshit..

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> > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Yo no s

Health apartheid in cuba:

http://www.cubaverdad.net/apartheid_in_cuba.htm#II._Medical_apartheid.

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(snip)

Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

> P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

> Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

"Barry Schier" <bschier@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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(snip-

A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

(snip)

You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

You are a Stalinist.

Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

Just look at the page:

http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current reality

in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

PL

On Apr 8, 6:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> (snip)

> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> (snip-

>

> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> (snip)

>

> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> You are a Stalinist.

> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current reality

> in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> PL

El fraude es Paul Lamot. En mi valiosas opini

Nobody gives you any credibility we all know the kind of Marrana you are.

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On Apr 8, 6:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> (snip)

> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

On Apr 8, 9:42 am, "Whip" <n...@none.com> wrote:

> Nobody gives you any credibility we all know the kind of Marrana you are.

>

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> news:1176043208.666586.143420@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 8, 6:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

>

>

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> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> > (snip)

> > Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> > Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

On Apr 8, 5:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> (snip-

>

> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> (snip)

>

> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> You are a Stalinist.

> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> where the combination of a true Trotskyite [sic] view and links to current reality

> in Cuba clearly [sic] show [sic] that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> PL

(1) "Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

Trotsky, a key co-leader of the Russian Revolution (who served as head

of Red Army, among other capacities) and founder of the Left

Opposition (i.e., the international organization opposed to the polar

opposite of Lenin's ideas and policies which were epitomized and

personified by Joseph Stalin and the counterevolutionary practices and

police state terror under his rule). "Trotskyist" is the term for

someone (incuding myself) whose politics are based on the lessons and

writings of Leon Trotsky (and his ideological predecessors and

successors). Alhtough my agreemnt with The Militant newsaper, fhas

between reduced from 99.9999999999% (when I used to occasionally have

articles published in it) to merely 99% today, on the matter of

whatever it has written and editorialized concerning Cuba and the

Cuban Revolution, I continue to agree with it 100%. (The MIlitant's

ceaseless spirit of solidarity with and thorough coverage of the Cuban

Revolution is probably the reason that Dan Christensen, whose politics

and looks I do not know, lists that paper in his Website on Cuba.)

(2) I believe that The Militant, a newspaper founded by followers of

Leon Trotsky and guided by him during the final dozen years of his

life and whose masthead for almost 80 years proclaims its slef-

description as "a socialist newsweekly published in the interests of

working people," is a far more accurate representation of a "true

Trotskyit view" of Cuba than a collection of pieces by PL (a

Belgian whose self-description is that of a businessman with center-

right politics) of those who not only despise the Cuban revolution,

but also oppose revolutions -- and often even reform -- throughout the

world.

(3) {This section is an excerpt of a draft of a message posted to

this newsgroup on October 23, 2002, if not the message itself}

(3.1) PL continually repeats the slander that the Cuban affiliate of

groups then calling themselves with the name "Communist Party"

represents any semblance to Marxist / revolutionary politics of

today's Cuban Communist Party, which is a product of the political

analogue to a "merger" of Fidel Castro's July 26 Movement group with

just about every other Cuban group which accurately or inaccurately

labeled itself as "revolutionary," "socialist", and/or "Communist".

(3.2) Leon Trotsky, a major figure in the Russian Revolution (e.g.,

Commander of the Red Army and other roles), in "Revolution Betrayed"

and other works, contrasted the revolutionary policies of Communist

Parties which were formed as part of the wave of revolution and

rebellion which culminated in the Russian Revolution (an

non-successful attempts at revolution in many other countries) with

the policies of those parties once bureaucrats, careerists, etc. --

led by, influenced by, and epitomized by Joseph Stalin -- took

over.

Trotsky called their policies thoroughly COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY to the

core, tried to create a movement to change their direction, and

observing their combination of capitulation and sectarianism during

Hitler's rise, came to the conclusion that they would not change

their

course but, as parties and as a movement, were irreformable and

thoroughly COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY to the core. Those parties that

(from the late 1920's to today) use the label of "Communist Party" --

whether of the Moscow-following, Mao-following, or other varieties --

have politics that are opposite of the ideology/politics contained in

their name.

(3.3) The Communist Party of Cuba (which used a different name

similar

to Popular Socialists) was no different than [past or current]

Stalinist parties ... i.e., always willing to cut a deal to try to

get into some coalition

government or support the more "liberal" party, no matter how

unsavory

its composition or no matter what the costs it meant in diverting

revolutionary movements into a dead end. (During the 1925-1927

Chinese revolution centered in Shanghai, the Chinese Communist Party

urges its / the revolution's supporters to join with the Chinese

Nationalist Party, whose leader, Chiang Kai-shek, gave them a "thank

you" note in the form of a literal massacre. And in Italy, the

now-renamed Communist Party finally (but briefly) got a bone or two

in

the Cabinet posts department.

(3.4) Thus, as a Marxist and a follower of Trotsky's ideas, I

consider

the collaboration of the old Cuban Communist party with the Batista

regime (and others before that) as no surprise, but rather part of

the

pattern for Stalinist parties. (And that a son of a Stalinist

official (Blas-Roca), would be moving towards being an advocate of

pro-capitalist positions, also is no surprise --- and while

personally

new for Roca, it's old for history.)

(3.5) What is so different about Cuba was that a revolutionary

leadership was forged, won over the masses, and on the basis of that

popular support and limited military victories against the regime,

marched into the capital. The [Cuban] Communist party joined the

revolutionary movement quite late and quite half-heartedly.

(3.6) When the Communist Party tried to make the new revolution

follow

in their own rotten image (e.g., creation of special stores for party

members), Castro took major steps to kick out (or, in PL's view,

"purge") the key architects of the moves towards Stalinist polities

(especially Anibal Escalante), making a major speech outlining what

the leadership was doing and why called "Against Bureaucracy and

Sectarianism" (Footnote: That's my rendering into English of the

French-language title of that Castro pamphlet; the English version may

have a

slightly different title). A similar, although smaller, repudiation

of moves by those forces within the government that wanted to have

Cuba emulate the Soviet Union's policies occurred in and about 1986;

this was called "rectification." Interesting (although not widely

circulated in the United States) are Castro's remarks (that if Cuba

hadn't initiated its rectification process, it could have had a

system

"worse than capitalism") were made a few years before the collapse of

the Soviet Union and allied regimes in Eastern Europe.

{Excerpt from June 26, 1995 article in The MIlitant)

`An Invincible Weapon: The Cuban People' Youth Leader Finds Much

Interest In Revolution During Tour Of New Zealand

.... In figuring its way out of the current economic crisis, the Cuban

government has one essential weapon, the support of the Cuban people,

said Alejandro Herrera at a meeting of 40 Auckland University students

June 8. The Cuban youth leader was welcomed to the university by

Student Association president Brendon Lane.

Replying to a student who asked why people leave Cuba, Herrera

explained that there has always been emigration from Cuba. Some leave

because they oppose the revolution, always hoping to see it

overthrown. Such people began to "rub their hands" at the beginning of

the economic crisis, thinking the revolution was finished, but now

they have "worn their hands out," because it has kept going, he said.

Some people leave for economic reasons. Those are not enemies of the

revolution, he explained. Herrera pointed to how the United States

government has welcomed illegal immigrants from Cuba, while

repatriating those from other countries.

One member of the audience blamed the government of Cuban president

Fidel Castro for the economic crisis and described the policies of the

Cuban leadership as being "based around Stalinism" and an "attempt to

build socialism in one country."

"What similarities do you find between Castro and Stalin?" Herrera

responded. "What similarities are there between the Cuban revolution

and what happened in the USSR? How many revolutionaries have been

assassinated in Cuba? How many Cubans left the country last summer?

There were 40,000, and they left freely. What do you think would have

happened if Cuba had had Stalin at its head?"

The help from the former Soviet Union was important, Herrera

explained, but the Cuban revolution owes its success to the efforts

made by the Cuban people.

Herrera described how in the mid-1980s the central leadership of the

Cuban Communist Party, noting that Cuba was committing some errors by

copying structures from the Soviet Union, launched a process of

economic and social "rectification" to avoid the economy "sliding into

obsolescence and inactivity." This strengthened the capacity of the

revolution to survive the current crisis. "Only a revolution loyal to

the people, only a revolution that had nothing to do with what Stalin

did in the USSR, could have withstood this," he said.

{End of article}

On Apr 8, 7:55 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> Health apartheid in cuba:http://www.cubaverdad.net/apartheid_in_cuba.htm#II._Medical_apartheid.

Repeatedly debunked here. See, for example, the discussion in the

recent thread, "Lucius Walker: USA's anti-Cuba Wall Will Fall"

More recently still, see PL's own posting citing a Miami Herald poll

that "Cubans held their health and educational systems in high regard.

For instance, 96 percent said healthcare was available to all

regardless of income."

Also see "Achievements of the Revolution" at my website.

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> (snip-

>

> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> (snip)

>

> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> You are a Stalinist.

> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

Repeatedly debunked here. Most recently, see the discussion in the

thread, "'More Than 3 Billion People in the World Are Being Condemned

to a Premature Death ...' (Castro)."

And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

torture and genocide by your political masters in Washington and

Miami! Whatever it takes, right, Nazi boy?

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

On Apr 8, 5:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> (snip)

> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

"ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 6:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> (snip)

> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

"Barry Schier" <bschier@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>On Apr 8, 5:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>

> >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>> (snip)

>> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>>

>> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

>> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>>

>> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>>

>> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

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> On Apr 8, 7:55 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>> Health apartheid in

>> cuba:http://www.cubaverdad.net/apartheid_in_cuba.htm#II._Medical_apartheid.

>

> Repeatedly debunked here.

(snip)

Never debunked comrade Dan.

Just snipped as you did here.

PL

"Barry Schier" <bschier@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Apr 8, 5:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>> (snip-

>>

>> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

>> (snip)

>>

>> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

>> You are a Stalinist.

>> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

>> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>>

>> Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

>> where the combination of a true Trotskyite [sic] view and links to

>> current reality

>> in Cuba clearly [sic] show [sic] that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>>

>> You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>>

>> PL

>

> (1) "Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

> those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

> Trotsky

(snip)

I got it from your comrade Dan Christensen.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.latin-america/msg/c442857a01cb465a?dmode=source&hl=en

Thanks for confirming his Satlinist credentials.

He also - in vain - tries to deny them.

> (2) I believe that The Militant, a newspaper founded by followers of

> Leon Trotsky and guided by him during the final dozen years of his

> life and whose masthead for almost 80 years proclaims its slef-

> description as "a socialist newsweekly published in the interests of

> working people," is a far more accurate representation of a "true

> Trotskyit view" of Cuba than a collection of pieces by PL (a

> Belgian whose self-description is that of a businessman with center-

> right politics)

I support respect of human rights and democracy.

http://www.cubaverdad.net/links_to_human_rights_reports.htm

Here is a list of what Stalinist Barry Schier supports:

- repression

http://www.cubaverdad.net/systematic_repression_of_dissent.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/cuba_repressive_machinery.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/repression.php

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/represion.php

- violations of the freedom of speech of Cubans

http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/freedom_of_speech.php

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/internet.php

-violations of the freedom of movement of Cubans

http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_movement.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/freedom_of_movement.php

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/balsero.php

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/migration.php

- violations of other human rights in Cuba

http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/links_to_human_rights_reports.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/human_rights.php

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/derechos_humanos.php

- torture by the Cuban regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/torture_in_cuba.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/a_cuban_punishment_cell.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/torture.php

- a totalitarian system

http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

- repressive laws that violate human rights

http://www.cubaverdad.net/repressive_laws.htm

- imprisonment of peaceful opponents of the regime of Fidel Castro

http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/75_imprisoned_in_march_2003.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/themefeeds/black_spring.php

- the destruction of thousands of life in acts of democide and politicide

http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/13_de_marzo.htm

> of those who not only despise the Cuban revolution,

> but also oppose revolutions -- and often even reform -- throughout the

> world.

These are these "evil ogres" Stalinist Barry Schier refers to.

Paul Hampton of Workers' Liberty spoke in debate with Bernard Regan, a

leading member of the Socialist Teachers' Alliance, at a London Workers'

Liberty meeting on 3 February 1999.

http://archive.workersliberty.org/wlmags/wl54/cuba.htm

Whose text I quote at:

http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

Respected Anarchists like: Sam Dolgoff

The Cuban Revolution

A Critical Perspective

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/dolgoff/cubanrevolution/chapter7.html

Friends of Che like Maurice Halperin that had been persecuted by Mc Carthy

http://www.cubaverdad.net/references/halperin.htm

Cuba, Castro and Socialism

Peter Binns & Mike Gonzalez

This article was first printed in International Socialism Journal 2:8

(Spring 1980), pp.1-36. International Socialism Journal is a quarterly

journal of the Socialist Workers Party (SWP-Britain).

Reprinted as a pamphlet June 1983 (and several times later) with the same

name by the Socialist Workers Party.

Transcribed by Michael Gavin and marked up by J

"ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> (snip-

>

> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> (snip)

>

> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> You are a Stalinist.

> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> reality

> in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> PL

------------------------------------------------

>El fraude

eres tu viejo racista.

Tus palabras:

- "Alemania est

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

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> On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>> (snip-

>>

>> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

>> (snip)

>>

>> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

>> You are a Stalinist.

>> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

>> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>>

>

> Repeatedly debunked here.

(snip)

Never debunked.

Even Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist analysis

of your choice of words:

Quting Barry in this thread:

"Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

Trotsky, a key co-leader of the Russian Revolution (who served as head

of Red Army, among other capacities) and founder of the Left

Opposition (i.e., the international organization opposed to the polar

opposite of Lenin's ideas and policies which were epitomized and

personified by Joseph Stalin and the counterevolutionary practices and

police state terror under his rule).

This is where I got the word: a message from (no confirmed) Canadian

Stalinist Dan Christensen

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.latin-america/msg/c442857a01cb465a?dmode=source&hl=en

I have to say that the nuance was lost on me and that indeed only hardened

communists find the subtle difference important.

To me it sounds like one opponent of democracy calling the other

undemocratic. A rather hypocrite exercise to look for democracy in either

ideology as they both are based on the acceptance of dictatorships.

> And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

> torture and genocide

which I don't.

Those are just your frustrated lies comrade Dan.

Your hero Castro is theone that is on Genocide Watch's list.

More on Cuba and genocide (with links) see:

http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

> by your political masters in Washington and

> Miami!

Unlike you Mr. Serial Liar I have no masters.

I am free.

Nobody tells me what to think.

you on the other hand start attacking the same journalist you have been

praising for years on your website when the Cuban regime decides to expell

him.

You recommended the "Cuban bureau" of the Chicago Tribune on your site.

That has has been Gary Marx since 2002.

Dan Christensen, serial liar, on his website about the Gary Marx (for years

the "Cuban bureau of the Chicago tribune)

Chicago Tribune

good reporting from Cuban bureau

commercial U.S. daily newspaper

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQNews.html

When he was expelled you referred to him as not being "suitable".

> Whatever it takes, right, Nazi boy?

For you only Mr. Serial Liar

You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

Christensen

You support a regime that:

- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the past:

the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm

more about the UMAP:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8

- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm

- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8

- burns books - like the Nazi regime

- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system of

social control - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

....

and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth

fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this

case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

......

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this

time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death

squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the

actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem

quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote

PL

On Apr 9, 2:37 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176043208.666586.143420@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 8, 6:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> > (snip)

> > Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> > Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

On Apr 9, 3:41 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176043353.992539.196050@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > (snip-

>

> > A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > (snip)

>

> > You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > You are a Stalinist.

> > Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> > where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> > reality

> > in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> > You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> > PL

>

> ------------------------------------------------

>

> >El fraude

>

> eres tu viejo racista.

> Tus palabras:

> - "Alemania est

On Apr 9, 3:41 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176043353.992539.196050@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > (snip-

>

> > A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > (snip)

>

> > You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > You are a Stalinist.

> > Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> > where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> > reality

> > in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> > You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> > PL

>

> ------------------------------------------------

>

> >El fraude

>

> eres tu viejo racista.

> Tus palabras:

> - "Alemania est