Liberals continue their denial of military successes in Iraq

Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their

denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have invested

in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

continually prove themselves to be!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds

each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence

and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in

neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis who

have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent the

largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence

began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast walls

and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are gingerly

testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they are also

facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened by violence

and mistrust.

Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a

friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a

short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.

Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an

ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.

The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.

When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their large

house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When the

Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new occupants

to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a mostly Shiite

district.

"Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in

engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."

Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence -- car

bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from earlier this

year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors: This year, 30,000

U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into Baghdad and other areas.

Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the al-Qaeda in Iraq insurgent

group and partnered with U.S. forces to patrol neighborhoods and towns.

Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking to improve his movement's image,

ordered his Mahdi Army militia to freeze operations.

U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria last

month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.

The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement. Shops

are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been reduced.

But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by

honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they

still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across

Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect controls

each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but fundamentalists

watch for those who breach their codes.

Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three

young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since

then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like him --

have come back, too.

Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front door.

Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle for alcohol

or signs of collaboration with the government or the Americans. Roads are

being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up parks and traffic

circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress, surrounded by tall blast walls

that separate entire blocks.

"It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer during

the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove across the

main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar fear. "You're

lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or Shia, American

soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."

He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day, he

wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the Mahdi

Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him not to

come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he said.

Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the

mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both

worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of

Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.

So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a mostly

Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all other shops

close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past midnight. The

walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers. Electricity, Hashimi

said, is still scarce.

Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad. Nor

did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had escaped there

five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of money after two

failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two weeks ago, they

returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where the family once lived.

Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by

relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the

checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and the

blast walls.

"Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety

without these barriers is real safety."

Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet seen

his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam, controlled

by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be killed.

"Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my

sister," Haadi said.

Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's in-laws,

also in Karrada.

"We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am

afraid to go to my parents."

As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back to

Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis with

special visas to enter.

Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was terrified to

drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were pulling Shiites

from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove throughout the night.

"That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve day

by day. People are tired of conflict."

Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not

visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a nation

where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary of trusting

people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new people," she said.

"This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't want to take risks."

She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old

neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return. But

they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to vacate

their house.

"People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go," Zubaidi

said. "We don't know that family's background."

Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of their

former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house because they

were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to rent her

preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous for the

family to return.

"He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the

calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared

having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back, although

other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll protect you.' "

She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to

Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter clothes

the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has not expired.

"The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um Melal

said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or stay.

We're waiting to see what happens.

"I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But that

needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But if you

want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."

Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently applied

to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led government to

integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and army. And what if

the American troops leave?

"Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the Americans

withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will collapse again."

Don't bother, Mo Mo is in his own little Faux News world!

<mordacpreventor@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Nov 23, 2:05 pm, "MioMyo" <USA_Patr...@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their

>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

>> invested

>> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>>

>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

>> continually prove themselves to be!

>>

>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR200...

>>

>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the

>> hundreds

>> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased

>> violence

>> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions

>> in

>> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

>>

>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis

>> who

>> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent

>> the

>> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence

>> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>

>

> Damn, YoYo, don't you even bother to read the articles you post?

>

> Syria is kicking out all the Iraqi refugees, other countries are doing

> the same, the Iraqi refugees are running out of money and only a

> fraction of the refugees are coming back.

>

> All that is in the first two paragraphs of the article.

>

> Some success.

More Voilence:

Bomb at Baghdad pet market kills 13

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/ts_nm/iraq_dc_9

More theft by Bush's buddies:

Military probe focuses on Iraq contracts

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071123/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_web_of_fraud;_ylt=Aq2ePYt_0fKNz5.tvh6tRpFI2ocA

You can't even secure the green zone, no wonder Bush didn't show up with a

rubber turkey this year! In fact, no one from the White House has been

there lately!

US: Blasts Strike In Baghdad's Green Zone; No Fatalities

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20071122%5cACQDJON200711221342DOWJONESDJONLINE000649.htm&

Love to hear it Moo Moo, care to comment?

Didn't think so.

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their

> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

> invested in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>

> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

> continually prove themselves to be!

>

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

>

> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds

> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence

> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in

> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

>

> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis who

> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent the

> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence

> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>

> Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast

> walls and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are

> gingerly testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they

> are also facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened by

> violence and mistrust.

>

> Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a

> friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a

> short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.

> Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an

> ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.

>

> The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.

> When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their large

> house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When the

> Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new

> occupants to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a mostly

> Shiite district.

>

> "Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in

> engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."

>

> Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence --

> car bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from earlier

> this year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors: This year,

> 30,000 U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into Baghdad and other

> areas. Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the al-Qaeda in Iraq

> insurgent group and partnered with U.S. forces to patrol neighborhoods and

> towns. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking to improve his movement's

> image, ordered his Mahdi Army militia to freeze operations.

>

> U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria

> last month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.

>

> The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement.

> Shops are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been reduced.

>

> But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by

> honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they

> still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across

> Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect controls

> each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but fundamentalists

> watch for those who breach their codes.

>

> Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three

> young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since

> then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like him --

> have come back, too.

>

> Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front door.

> Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle for

> alcohol or signs of collaboration with the government or the Americans.

> Roads are being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up parks and

> traffic circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress, surrounded by tall

> blast walls that separate entire blocks.

>

> "It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer

> during the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove

> across the main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar

> fear. "You're lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or

> Shia, American soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."

>

> He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day,

> he wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the

> Mahdi Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him not

> to come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he said.

>

> Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the

> mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both

> worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of

> Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.

>

> So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a mostly

> Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all other shops

> close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past midnight. The

> walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers. Electricity,

> Hashimi said, is still scarce.

>

> Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad.

> Nor did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had escaped

> there five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of money after

> two failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two weeks ago, they

> returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where the family once

> lived.

>

> Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by

> relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the

> checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and the

> blast walls.

>

> "Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety

> without these barriers is real safety."

>

> Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet

> seen his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam,

> controlled by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be

> killed.

>

> "Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my

> sister," Haadi said.

>

> Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's

> in-laws, also in Karrada.

>

> "We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am

> afraid to go to my parents."

>

> As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back to

> Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis with

> special visas to enter.

>

> Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was terrified

> to drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were pulling

> Shiites from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove throughout

> the night.

>

> "That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve

> day by day. People are tired of conflict."

>

> Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not

> visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a nation

> where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary of

> trusting people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new people,"

> she said. "This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't want to

> take risks."

>

> She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old

> neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return. But

> they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to

> vacate their house.

>

> "People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go," Zubaidi

> said. "We don't know that family's background."

>

> Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of their

> former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house because

> they were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to rent her

> preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous for the

> family to return.

>

> "He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the

> calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared

> having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back, although

> other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll protect you.'

> "

>

> She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to

> Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter clothes

> the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has not expired.

>

> "The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um

> Melal said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or

> stay. We're waiting to see what happens.

>

> "I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But

> that needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But if

> you want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."

>

> Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently applied

> to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led government

> to integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and army. And

> what if the American troops leave?

>

> "Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the Americans

> withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will collapse again."

>

>

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:05:23 GMT, "MioMyo"

<USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

>continually prove themselves to be!

What do you "label" the failure of the Bush

administration to accomplish ANY of their stated

goals--both pre-surge and post surge?

You do understand that NONE of the goals so far---other

than the removal of Saddam, has been accomplished?

You do know that, right?

<mordacpreventor@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Nov 23, 2:05 pm, "MioMyo" <USA_Patr...@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong.

Wrong again. Pay attention here. It's your delusion that continually

distorts the realities and proves you clueless. Distinction with a huge

difference. You really and truly cannot get out of your own way.

The only reason for their

>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

>> invested

>> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

Old, worn, trite, overplayed and untrue talking point.

>>

>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

>> continually prove themselves to be!

You'd do well to hold back from posting your misconstrued, unglued ravings.

It's recommended you not only read what you post, but also make an effort to

understand the content.

Any idea why...with all that decreased violence and increased security,

DUHbya wasn't encouraged to hop over there for another plastic turkey photo

op with the troops?

>>

>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR200...

>>

>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the

>> hundreds

>> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased

>> violence

>> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions

>> in

>> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

>>

>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis

>> who

>> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent

>> the

>> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence

>> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>

>

> Damn, YoYo, don't you even bother to read the articles you post?

>

> Syria is kicking out all the Iraqi refugees, other countries are doing

> the same, the Iraqi refugees are running out of money and only a

> fraction of the refugees are coming back.

>

> All that is in the first two paragraphs of the article.

>

> Some success.

No wonder the repub's almost always get it wrong. Not only do most exhibit

a lack of reading comprehension skills, but they also fail to read the

entire articles before posting them. I've noticed that in almost every

instance, their take and take-away are based on a couple of lead paragraphs

which they usually misinterpret (or cherry-picked excerpts, for which they

are so famous). So desperate are they to spin a win, they jump to

conclusions in support of their delusions.

Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear Democrat

politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military in the

back when things got rough.

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their

> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

> invested in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>

> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

> continually prove themselves to be!

>

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

>

> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds

> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence

> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in

> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

>

> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis who

> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent the

> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence

> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>

> Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast

> walls and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are

> gingerly testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they

> are also facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened by

> violence and mistrust.

>

> Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a

> friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a

> short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.

> Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an

> ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.

>

> The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.

> When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their large

> house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When the

> Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new

> occupants to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a mostly

> Shiite district.

>

> "Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in

> engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."

>

> Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence --

> car bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from earlier

> this year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors: This year,

> 30,000 U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into Baghdad and other

> areas. Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the al-Qaeda in Iraq

> insurgent group and partnered with U.S. forces to patrol neighborhoods and

> towns. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking to improve his movement's

> image, ordered his Mahdi Army militia to freeze operations.

>

> U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria

> last month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.

>

> The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement.

> Shops are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been reduced.

>

> But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by

> honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they

> still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across

> Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect controls

> each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but fundamentalists

> watch for those who breach their codes.

>

> Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three

> young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since

> then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like him --

> have come back, too.

>

> Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front door.

> Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle for

> alcohol or signs of collaboration with the government or the Americans.

> Roads are being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up parks and

> traffic circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress, surrounded by tall

> blast walls that separate entire blocks.

>

> "It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer

> during the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove

> across the main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar

> fear. "You're lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or

> Shia, American soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."

>

> He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day,

> he wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the

> Mahdi Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him not

> to come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he said.

>

> Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the

> mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both

> worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of

> Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.

>

> So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a mostly

> Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all other shops

> close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past midnight. The

> walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers. Electricity,

> Hashimi said, is still scarce.

>

> Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad.

> Nor did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had escaped

> there five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of money after

> two failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two weeks ago, they

> returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where the family once

> lived.

>

> Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by

> relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the

> checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and the

> blast walls.

>

> "Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety

> without these barriers is real safety."

>

> Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet

> seen his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam,

> controlled by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be

> killed.

>

> "Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my

> sister," Haadi said.

>

> Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's

> in-laws, also in Karrada.

>

> "We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am

> afraid to go to my parents."

>

> As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back to

> Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis with

> special visas to enter.

>

> Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was terrified

> to drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were pulling

> Shiites from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove throughout

> the night.

>

> "That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve

> day by day. People are tired of conflict."

>

> Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not

> visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a nation

> where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary of

> trusting people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new people,"

> she said. "This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't want to

> take risks."

>

> She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old

> neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return. But

> they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to

> vacate their house.

>

> "People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go," Zubaidi

> said. "We don't know that family's background."

>

> Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of their

> former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house because

> they were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to rent her

> preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous for the

> family to return.

>

> "He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the

> calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared

> having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back, although

> other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll protect you.'

> "

>

> She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to

> Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter clothes

> the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has not expired.

>

> "The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um

> Melal said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or

> stay. We're waiting to see what happens.

>

> "I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But

> that needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But if

> you want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."

>

> Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently applied

> to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led government

> to integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and army. And

> what if the American troops leave?

>

> "Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the Americans

> withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will collapse again."

>

>

The West is the White race.

The goal of America is to destroy the White race. The

multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of

Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or

anyplace but on the Whites. And they promote racial intermarriage.

If things continue as they are the White race is doomed.

And who is doing all of this? It is the USA government and the

media, in other words the Jews.

Many Whites are traitors. They support the USA government and their

own destruction. We should look for allies. And anyone who wants to

remove the Jews from power is our ally. In the past the Japanese were

our allies. Today it is the Muslims.

Osama bin Laden

September 24th statement published in Pakistan

"I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We

are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United

States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic

freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose

first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the

American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced

to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the

punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it

is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the

U.S. is not uttering a single word."

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html

It's amazing how liberals only want to see bad news. Even the left leaning

Washington Post can't deny it although I realize the expend on a paragraph

or two until they shake the trees in order to report anything else below

par.

Maybe if there is a dem president in 08 (and if so it's highly unlikely

they'll implement an immediate withdraw) then libs and their cohort media

newspapers will go out of their way to paint a rosy picture!

You know it & I know that will be the way it's reported.....

<mordacpreventor@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:b78ce1db-e015-4c2e-9e49-791fa519cdaf@s6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 23, 2:05 pm, "MioMyo" <USA_Patr...@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their

>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

>> invested

>> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>>

>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

>> continually prove themselves to be!

>>

>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR200...

>>

>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the

>> hundreds

>> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased

>> violence

>> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions

>> in

>> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

>>

>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis

>> who

>> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent

>> the

>> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence

>> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>

>

> Damn, YoYo, don't you even bother to read the articles you post?

>

> Syria is kicking out all the Iraqi refugees, other countries are doing

> the same, the Iraqi refugees are running out of money and only a

> fraction of the refugees are coming back.

>

> All that is in the first two paragraphs of the article.

>

> Some success.

How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact is,

I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.

Care to deny that little factoid?

If you are honest, you won't even try.

"Filthy Democrat's Mangina" <me@me.com> wrote in message

news:R1J1j.15434$9F1.2944@read1.cgocable.net...

> More Voilence:

> Bomb at Baghdad pet market kills 13

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/ts_nm/iraq_dc_9

>

> More theft by Bush's buddies:

> Military probe focuses on Iraq contracts

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071123/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_web_of_fraud;_ylt=Aq2ePYt_0fKNz5.tvh6tRpFI2ocA

>

> You can't even secure the green zone, no wonder Bush didn't show up with a

> rubber turkey this year! In fact, no one from the White House has been

> there lately!

> US: Blasts Strike In Baghdad's Green Zone; No Fatalities

> http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20071122%5cACQDJON200711221342DOWJONESDJONLINE000649.htm&

>

> Love to hear it Moo Moo, care to comment?

>

> Didn't think so.

>

> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

> news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their

>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

>> invested in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>>

>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

>> continually prove themselves to be!

>>

>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

>>

>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the

>> hundreds each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of

>> decreased violence and increased security, or compelled by visa and

>> residency restrictions in neighboring countries and the depletion of

>> their savings.

>>

>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis

>> who have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they

>> represent the largest number of returnees since February 2006, when

>> sectarian violence began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from

>> Iraq.

>>

>> Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast

>> walls and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are

>> gingerly testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they

>> are also facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened

>> by violence and mistrust.

>>

>> Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a

>> friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a

>> short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.

>> Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an

>> ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.

>>

>> The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.

>> When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their large

>> house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When the

>> Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new

>> occupants to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a mostly

>> Shiite district.

>>

>> "Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in

>> engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."

>>

>> Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence --

>> car bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from earlier

>> this year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors: This

>> year, 30,000 U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into Baghdad and

>> other areas. Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the al-Qaeda in

>> Iraq insurgent group and partnered with U.S. forces to patrol

>> neighborhoods and towns. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking to

>> improve his movement's image, ordered his Mahdi Army militia to freeze

>> operations.

>>

>> U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria

>> last month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.

>>

>> The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement.

>> Shops are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been

>> reduced.

>>

>> But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by

>> honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they

>> still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across

>> Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect controls

>> each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but fundamentalists

>> watch for those who breach their codes.

>>

>> Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three

>> young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since

>> then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like

>> him -- have come back, too.

>>

>> Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front door.

>> Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle for

>> alcohol or signs of collaboration with the government or the Americans.

>> Roads are being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up parks and

>> traffic circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress, surrounded by tall

>> blast walls that separate entire blocks.

>>

>> "It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer

>> during the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove

>> across the main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar

>> fear. "You're lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or

>> Shia, American soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."

>>

>> He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day,

>> he wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the

>> Mahdi Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him

>> not to come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he

>> said.

>>

>> Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the

>> mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both

>> worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of

>> Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.

>>

>> So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a

>> mostly Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all other

>> shops close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past midnight.

>> The walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers. Electricity,

>> Hashimi said, is still scarce.

>>

>> Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad.

>> Nor did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had

>> escaped there five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of

>> money after two failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two

>> weeks ago, they returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where the

>> family once lived.

>>

>> Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by

>> relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the

>> checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and

>> the blast walls.

>>

>> "Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety

>> without these barriers is real safety."

>>

>> Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet

>> seen his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam,

>> controlled by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be

>> killed.

>>

>> "Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my

>> sister," Haadi said.

>>

>> Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's

>> in-laws, also in Karrada.

>>

>> "We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am

>> afraid to go to my parents."

>>

>> As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back

>> to Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis

>> with special visas to enter.

>>

>> Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was terrified

>> to drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were pulling

>> Shiites from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove throughout

>> the night.

>>

>> "That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve

>> day by day. People are tired of conflict."

>>

>> Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not

>> visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a nation

>> where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary of

>> trusting people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new

>> people," she said. "This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't

>> want to take risks."

>>

>> She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old

>> neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return. But

>> they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to

>> vacate their house.

>>

>> "People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go," Zubaidi

>> said. "We don't know that family's background."

>>

>> Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of

>> their former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house

>> because they were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to

>> rent her preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous

>> for the family to return.

>>

>> "He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the

>> calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared

>> having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back, although

>> other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll protect

>> you.' "

>>

>> She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to

>> Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter

>> clothes the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has not

>> expired.

>>

>> "The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um

>> Melal said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or

>> stay. We're waiting to see what happens.

>>

>> "I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But

>> that needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But

>> if you want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."

>>

>> Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently

>> applied to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led

>> government to integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and

>> army. And what if the American troops leave?

>>

>> "Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the Americans

>> withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will collapse again."

>>

>>

>

>

"MioMyo" <USA_unpatriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their

> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

invested

> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>

> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

> continually prove themselves to be!

This kind of rightarded nonsense is why you KKKrooKKKed lying repugnigoons

can't win elections.

"MioMyo" <USA_unpatriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

news:xgM1j.22984$lD6.7193@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

> It's amazing how liberals only want to see bad news. Even the left leaning

> Washington Post can't deny it although I realize the expend on a paragraph

> or two until they shake the trees in order to report anything else below

> par.

>

> Maybe if there is a dem president in 08 (and if so it's highly unlikely

> they'll implement an immediate withdraw) then libs and their cohort media

> newspapers will go out of their way to paint a rosy picture!

>

> You know it & I know that will be the way it's reported.....

This kind of rightarded nonsense is why you KKKrooKKKed lying repugnigoons

can't win elections.

"BibsBro" <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message

news:13keve9kcgb1n0f@news.supernews.com...

>

> Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear Democrat

> politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military in

the

> back when things got rough.

This kind of rightarded nonsense is why you KKKrooKKKed lying repugnigoons

can't win elections.

"Passerby" <MrE@midnight.net> wrote in message

news:OYJ1j.701$mb.466@bignews9.bellsouth.net...

>

> <mordacpreventor@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:b78ce1db-e015-4c2e-9e49-791fa519cdaf@s6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...

>> On Nov 23, 2:05 pm, "MioMyo" <USA_Patr...@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong.

>

> Wrong again. Pay attention here. It's your delusion that continually

> distorts the realities and proves you clueless. Distinction with a huge

> difference. You really and truly cannot get out of your own way.

>

> The only reason for their

>>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

>>> invested

>>> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>

> Old, worn, trite, overplayed and untrue talking point.

>

>>>

>>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

>>> continually prove themselves to be!

>

> You'd do well to hold back from posting your misconstrued, unglued

> ravings. It's recommended you not only read what you post, but also make

> an effort to understand the content.

>

> Any idea why...with all that decreased violence and increased security,

> DUHbya wasn't encouraged to hop over there for another plastic turkey

> photo op with the troops?

>

>>>

>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR200...

>>>

>>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the

>>> hundreds

>>> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased

>>> violence

>>> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions

>>> in

>>> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

>>>

>>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis

>>> who

>>> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent

>>> the

>>> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence

>>> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>>

>>

>> Damn, YoYo, don't you even bother to read the articles you post?

>>

>> Syria is kicking out all the Iraqi refugees, other countries are doing

>> the same, the Iraqi refugees are running out of money and only a

>> fraction of the refugees are coming back.

>>

>> All that is in the first two paragraphs of the article.

>>

>> Some success.

So where is your news report citation of Syrian's actions?

The only information that googles up is that there are Iraqi refugees there.

So it looks like once again it's easier for a liberal to cite a lie than

accept the truth!

> No wonder the repub's almost always get it wrong. Not only do most

> exhibit a lack of reading comprehension skills, but they also fail to read

> the entire articles before posting them. I've noticed that in almost

> every instance, their take and take-away are based on a couple of lead

> paragraphs which they usually misinterpret (or cherry-picked excerpts, for

> which they are so famous). So desperate are they to spin a win, they jump

> to conclusions in support of their delusions.

The fact that violence is down in Iraq is fact. So while you morons here

whine about fictional issues (like the Syrian- Iraqi Refugees being kicked

out), do pay attention to this Sunday's political talk forums, They won't be

able to preclude successes in Iraq dialog lib!

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

news:ljM1j.22988$lD6.5490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

> How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact

> is, I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.

When's the last time 13 people were killed in a market in the USA? These

reports are coming out of Iraq daily since the war started. Where's the

success you neoclown's were talking about? Mission accomplished?

Iraq still a "cakewalk"?

>

> Care to deny that little factoid?

Yes.

>

> If you are honest, you won't even try.

How would you know anything about honesty? Everything that you type is a

fucking lie.

>

>

> "Filthy Democrat's Mangina" <me@me.com> wrote in message

> news:R1J1j.15434$9F1.2944@read1.cgocable.net...

>> More Voilence:

>> Bomb at Baghdad pet market kills 13

>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/ts_nm/iraq_dc_9

>>

>> More theft by Bush's buddies:

>> Military probe focuses on Iraq contracts

>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071123/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_web_of_fraud;_ylt=Aq2ePYt_0fKNz5.tvh6tRpFI2ocA

>>

>> You can't even secure the green zone, no wonder Bush didn't show up with

>> a rubber turkey this year! In fact, no one from the White House has been

>> there lately!

>> US: Blasts Strike In Baghdad's Green Zone; No Fatalities

>> http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20071122%5cACQDJON200711221342DOWJONESDJONLINE000649.htm&

>>

>> Love to hear it Moo Moo, care to comment?

>>

>> Didn't think so.

>>

>> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

>> news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their

>>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

>>> invested in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>>>

>>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they

>>> continually prove themselves to be!

>>>

>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

>>>

>>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the

>>> hundreds each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of

>>> decreased violence and increased security, or compelled by visa and

>>> residency restrictions in neighboring countries and the depletion of

>>> their savings.

>>>

>>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis

>>> who have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they

>>> represent the largest number of returnees since February 2006, when

>>> sectarian violence began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from

>>> Iraq.

>>>

>>> Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast

>>> walls and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are

>>> gingerly testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they

>>> are also facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened

>>> by violence and mistrust.

>>>

>>> Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a

>>> friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a

>>> short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.

>>> Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an

>>> ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.

>>>

>>> The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.

>>> When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their

>>> large house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When

>>> the Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new

>>> occupants to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a

>>> mostly Shiite district.

>>>

>>> "Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in

>>> engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."

>>>

>>> Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence --

>>> car bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from

>>> earlier this year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors:

>>> This year, 30,000 U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into

>>> Baghdad and other areas. Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the

>>> al-Qaeda in Iraq insurgent group and partnered with U.S. forces to

>>> patrol neighborhoods and towns. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking

>>> to improve his movement's image, ordered his Mahdi Army militia to

>>> freeze operations.

>>>

>>> U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria

>>> last month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.

>>>

>>> The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement.

>>> Shops are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been

>>> reduced.

>>>

>>> But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by

>>> honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they

>>> still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across

>>> Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect

>>> controls each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but

>>> fundamentalists watch for those who breach their codes.

>>>

>>> Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three

>>> young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since

>>> then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like

>>> him -- have come back, too.

>>>

>>> Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front

>>> door. Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle

>>> for alcohol or signs of collaboration with the government or the

>>> Americans. Roads are being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up

>>> parks and traffic circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress,

>>> surrounded by tall blast walls that separate entire blocks.

>>>

>>> "It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer

>>> during the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove

>>> across the main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar

>>> fear. "You're lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or

>>> Shia, American soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."

>>>

>>> He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day,

>>> he wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the

>>> Mahdi Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him

>>> not to come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he

>>> said.

>>>

>>> Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the

>>> mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both

>>> worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of

>>> Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.

>>>

>>> So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a

>>> mostly Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all

>>> other shops close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past

>>> midnight. The walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers.

>>> Electricity, Hashimi said, is still scarce.

>>>

>>> Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad.

>>> Nor did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had

>>> escaped there five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of

>>> money after two failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two

>>> weeks ago, they returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where

>>> the family once lived.

>>>

>>> Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by

>>> relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the

>>> checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and

>>> the blast walls.

>>>

>>> "Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety

>>> without these barriers is real safety."

>>>

>>> Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet

>>> seen his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam,

>>> controlled by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be

>>> killed.

>>>

>>> "Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my

>>> sister," Haadi said.

>>>

>>> Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's

>>> in-laws, also in Karrada.

>>>

>>> "We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am

>>> afraid to go to my parents."

>>>

>>> As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back

>>> to Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis

>>> with special visas to enter.

>>>

>>> Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was

>>> terrified to drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were

>>> pulling Shiites from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove

>>> throughout the night.

>>>

>>> "That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve

>>> day by day. People are tired of conflict."

>>>

>>> Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not

>>> visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a

>>> nation where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary

>>> of trusting people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new

>>> people," she said. "This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't

>>> want to take risks."

>>>

>>> She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old

>>> neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return.

>>> But they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to

>>> vacate their house.

>>>

>>> "People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go,"

>>> Zubaidi said. "We don't know that family's background."

>>>

>>> Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of

>>> their former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house

>>> because they were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to

>>> rent her preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous

>>> for the family to return.

>>>

>>> "He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the

>>> calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared

>>> having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back,

>>> although other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll

>>> protect you.' "

>>>

>>> She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to

>>> Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter

>>> clothes the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has

>>> not expired.

>>>

>>> "The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um

>>> Melal said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or

>>> stay. We're waiting to see what happens.

>>>

>>> "I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But

>>> that needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But

>>> if you want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."

>>>

>>> Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently

>>> applied to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led

>>> government to integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and

>>> army. And what if the American troops leave?

>>>

>>> "Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the

>>> Americans withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will

>>> collapse again."

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

"BibsBro" <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message

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>

> Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear Democrat

> politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military in

the

> back when things got rough.

No Democrat politicians "sent our brave troops into harm [sic] way". Only

the President of the United States is authorized to do that. You can try to

pin the tail on the donkey all you want, but thinking Americans and the rest

of the world know it is really an elephant tail. This is George Duhbya

Bush's war. He wanted it, he started it and now he doesn't know how to

finish it, so his neocon sycophants are doing their best to blame the

Democrats.

Sorry, but it won't work.

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:32:46 -0600, Topaz

<mars1933@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The West is the White race

The west came from Africa, you dumb cocksucker

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:46:53 GMT, "MioMyo"

<USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>It's amazing how liberals only want to see bad news.

It's amazing that dumb assholes like you don't see the

"good news" as something being used to try and spin, or

cover up the truth and facts about the bad news

the lies, the spin, the total ignorance of the power

structure in the mid east, the logical results of

removing a secular despot and replacing it with tribal

religious leaders in a volatile region, and the ensuing

coalescence of religious sentiments against western

invasiobn of Islamic nations.

"Good news" is a piss-poor attempt to ice disaster, you

dumb bastard.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:49:53 GMT, "MioMyo"

<USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact is,

>I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.

How many reports of "truth" existed to get us into war,

you moron?

The truth is you think you're an intellectual genius while the fact is

you're a hatefilled partisan moron. The separation between the two is only

your subjection distorted perception.

What does that have to do with your ignorant whines: before the war everyone

in both parties and the world over though Saddam had enclaves of WMD and

they said so. So did foreign countries, the UN etc. The fact that you now

want to blame it all on Bush exemplifies your partisan moron perception lib!

Another example below which you prefer to delete and ignore!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds

each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence

and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in

neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

<Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:49:53 GMT, "MioMyo"

> <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>

>>How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact

>>is,

>>I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.

>

> How many reports of "truth" existed to get us into war,

> you moron?

>

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

news:mzY1j.1303$Dt4.1163@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...

> The truth is you think you're an intellectual genius while the fact is

> you're a hatefilled partisan moron. The separation between the two is only

> your subjection distorted perception.

>

> What does that have to do with your ignorant whines: before the war

everyone

> in both parties and the world over though Saddam had enclaves of WMD and

> they said so. So did foreign countries, the UN etc. The fact that you now

> want to blame it all on Bush exemplifies your partisan moron perception

lib!

>

> Another example below which you prefer to delete and ignore!

>

>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

>

> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds

> each day, by bus, car and plane, compelled by visa and residency

restrictions in

> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

There. Edited for greater accuracy.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:46:13 -0800, "MioMyo"

<USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

> before the war everyone

>in both parties and the world over though Saddam had enclaves of WMD and

>they said so.

Thats a true statement PRIOR to fall of 2002 (after the

Vote to authorize use of force) you numbnutted fuckwit

The reasons for Bush demanding the "authorization"

(even discounting the FACT that he had it all planned

before 9-11) was laid down SPECIFICALLY in several

speeched before congress and the UN

They were:

1)"Yellow cake" (no long explanation needed) Joe Wilson

was appointed by Bush---the THIRD (3rd) to tell Bush

The claim was FALSE

2) "Tons of WMD"

3) Missiles able to carry them at "24 minutes notice"

4) Collusion with Religious Islamic fundamentalists

5) Collusion with Bin Laden

6) Reconstituted Nuclear weapons programs

7) Labs manufactoring WMD in progress

8) Aluminum tubes for Atomic weaponry

9) Payment and training Terrorists to attack us

By February 2003-----ALL of the above was PROVEN to not

be true.

So when you claim "everyone said...."-----Yes they did,

BEFORE 2002

NOT AFTER.

"Richardson-Obama in 08" <NoThanks@NoSpam.com> wrote in message

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> "BibsBro" <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message

> news:13keve9kcgb1n0f@news.supernews.com...

>>

>> Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear Democrat

>> politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military in

> the

>> back when things got rough.

>

> No Democrat politicians "sent our brave troops into harm [sic] way". Only

> the President of the United States is authorized to do that. You can try

> to

> pin the tail on the donkey all you want, but thinking Americans and the

> rest

> of the world know it is really an elephant tail. This is George Duhbya

> Bush's war. He wanted it, he started it and now he doesn't know how to

> finish it, so his neocon sycophants are doing their best to blame the

> Democrats.

>

> Sorry, but it won't work.

>

>

So these words mean nothing to you?

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.

Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,

air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to

the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction

programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein,

Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9,

1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last

visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has

reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,

chemical and nuclear programs continue

apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues

to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit

missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the

United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by

Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between

Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to

dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit

monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has

developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological

capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear

weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and

Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while

retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We

cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright,

1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some

day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10

times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all

weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its

agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are

confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and

biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to

build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence

reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet

achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical

and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United

States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were

before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing

nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he

were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would

face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26,

2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with

the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in

the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past

four years, in the absence

of international inspectors, this country has continued armament

programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat

Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use

them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and

all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." --

Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that

Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons

stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also

given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members,

though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible

events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked,

Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and

chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he

succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security

landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American

security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in

1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a

warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those

trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of

2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass

destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them

against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our

allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam

Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available

means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already

used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build

more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons,

and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John

Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security.

It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a

clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination

to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." --

John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of

mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we

should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to

weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction

has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will

continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam

Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for

the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham,

December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive

his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim

Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing

weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he

is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction

cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority

to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe

that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real

and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but

as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and

particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed

to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons.

He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing

the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass

destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator,

leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He

presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone

to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America's response to his

continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction.

That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has

spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and

disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is

real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian

Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a

threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates

of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the

means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological

weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the

United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological

weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors

discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq

was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is

still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to

think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued

biological and chemical weapons. U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's

claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986,

Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish

population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past,

there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt

that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass

destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the

proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave

importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the

development of weapons of mass

destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he

has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi,

December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible

intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still

has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium

perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic

missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these

deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX

substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored

in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains

significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly

reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons

Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively

to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the

next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to

enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that

difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always

underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of

mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very

real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both

against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop

delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring

these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle

East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy towards

Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He has

systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every

significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his

chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has

refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of

international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep

buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the

United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies.

Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message

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> The truth is you think you're an intellectual genius while the fact is

> you're a hatefilled partisan moron. The separation between the two is only

> your subjection distorted perception.

>

> What does that have to do with your ignorant whines: before the war

> everyone in both parties and the world over though Saddam had enclaves of

> WMD and they said so. So did foreign countries, the UN etc. The fact that

> you now want to blame it all on Bush exemplifies your partisan moron

> perception lib!

They've invested in the defeat of their own country.

> Another example below which you prefer to delete and ignore!

>

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

>

> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds

> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence

> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in

> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

>

>

> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message

> news:8pkgk355on5r5j2drpphqm37sibbo01ctd@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:49:53 GMT, "MioMyo"

>> <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>>

>>>How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact

>>>is,

>>>I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.

>>

>> How many reports of "truth" existed to get us into war,

>> you moron?

>>

>

>

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>

> "Richardson-Obama in 08" <NoThanks@NoSpam.com> wrote in message

> news:g6qdnQgMZqub19XanZ2dnUVZ_h6hnZ2d@comcast.com...

>> "BibsBro" <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message

>> news:13keve9kcgb1n0f@news.supernews.com...

>>>

>>> Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear

>>> Democrat

>>> politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military in

>> the

>>> back when things got rough.

>>

>> No Democrat politicians "sent our brave troops into harm [sic] way".

>> Only

>> the President of the United States is authorized to do that. You can try

>> to

>> pin the tail on the donkey all you want, but thinking Americans and the

>> rest

>> of the world know it is really an elephant tail. This is George Duhbya

>> Bush's war. He wanted it, he started it and now he doesn't know how to

>> finish it, so his neocon sycophants are doing their best to blame the

>> Democrats.

>>

>> Sorry, but it won't work.

>>

>>

>

>

> So these words mean nothing to you?

Nah, Osama has no intentions whatsoever allowing the facts to get in the way

of his preconceived notions of hatred for Bush or anyone for that matter who

would force feed him the truth as you have just done!

> "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.

> Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if

> appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond

> effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of

> mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman,

> Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among

> others on October 9, 1998

>

>

>

> "This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last

> visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has

> reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,

> chemical and nuclear programs continue

>

> apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam

> continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a

> licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten

> the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter

> signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among

> others

>

>

>

> "Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between

> Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to

> dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit

> monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq

> has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and

> biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing

> nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom

> Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

>

>

>

> "Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while

> retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We

> cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline

> Albright, 1998

>

>

>

> "(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some

> day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10

> times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

>

>

>

> "Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all

> weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to

> its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

>

>

>

> "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are

> confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and

> biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to

> build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence

> reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet

> achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

>

>

>

> "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has

> chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the

> United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than

> we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know,

> actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear

> warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends

> in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley

> Clark on September 26, 2002

>

>

>

> "What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents

> with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such

> weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that,

> over the past four years, in the absence

>

> of international inspectors, this country has continued armament

> programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

>

>

>

> "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat

> Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to

> use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today,

> Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened

> tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

>

>

>

> "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show

> that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological

> weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.

> He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al

> Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement

> in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that

> if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity

> to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop

> nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the

> political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all

> too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in

> 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into

> a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those

> trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of

> 2003

>

>

>

> "Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass

> destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them

> against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

>

>

>

> "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our

> allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades,

> Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every

> available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He

> has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is

> trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build

> nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving

> that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national

> security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress

> to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its

> determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass

> destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons

> of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

>

>

>

> "Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and

> we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to

> weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction

> has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it

> will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

>

>

>

> "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that

> Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing

> capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass

> destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

>

>

>

> "Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to

> deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." --

> Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

>

>

>

> "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and

> developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27,

> 2002

>

>

>

> "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that

> he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction

> cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

>

>

>

> "I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority

> to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe

> that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a

> real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

>

>

>

> "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real,

> but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that

> war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert

> Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build

> those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these

> weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had

> on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John

> Kerry, October 9, 2002

>

>

>

> "(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator,

> leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He

> presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently

> prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America's

> response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of

> mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations

> Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose

> its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with

> weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with

> us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

>

>

>

> "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a

> threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the

> mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction

> and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

>

>

>

> "Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological

> weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the

> United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

>

>

>

> "Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and

> biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N.

> inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities

> that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate

> that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is

> no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively

> pursued biological and chemical weapons. U.N. inspectors have said that

> Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable.

> In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its

> own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in

> the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can

> be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining

> weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

>

>

>

> "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that

> the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave

> importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the

> development of weapons of mass

>

> destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he

> has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi,

> December 16, 1998

>

>

>

> "Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible

> intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq

> still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium

> perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and

> ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing

> these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly

> toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent

> is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And

> Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be

> used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." --

> Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

>

>

>

> "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working

> aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear

> weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can

> obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that

> is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we

> have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of

> weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a

> very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before,

> both against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to

> develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that

> could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities

> in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy towards

> Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He

> has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every

> significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his

> chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has

> refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of

> international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep

>

> buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the

> United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies.

> Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> >>

> >> Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear

Democrat

> >> politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military

in

> > the

> >> back when things got rough.

> >

> > No Democrat politicians "sent our brave troops into harm [sic] way".

Only

> > the President of the United States is authorized to do that. You can

try

> > to

> > pin the tail on the donkey all you want, but thinking Americans and the

> > rest

> > of the world know it is really an elephant tail. This is George Duhbya

> > Bush's war. He wanted it, he started it and now he doesn't know how to

> > finish it, so his neocon sycophants are doing their best to blame the

> > Democrats.

> >

> > Sorry, but it won't work.

> >

> >

>

>

> So these words mean nothing to you?

Nope. They don't. Some were pre-2001, when they actually rang true, but no

longer applied by 2002. The others, uttered or written in 2002 or early

2003 were based on lies fed to Congress and the public by a dishonest

administration that wanted war with Iraq and wasn't about to let reality get

in their way. Do the following words mean anything to you?

"C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift

in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to

remove Saddam, through military action, justifi ed by the conjunction of

terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around

the policy." - The "Downing Street Memo" (Prime Minister's Meeting, 23 July,

2002)

> "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.

> Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if

appropriate,

> air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to

> the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction

> programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein,

> Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9,

> 1998

>

>

>

> "This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last

> visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has

> reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,

> chemical and nuclear programs continue

>

> apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam

continues

> to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit

> missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the

> United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by

> Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

>

>

>

> "Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between

> Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to

> dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit

> monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq

has

> developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological

> capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear

> weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin

and

> Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

>

>

>

> "Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while

> retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We

> cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline

Albright,

> 1998

>

>

>

> "(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some

> day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10

> times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

>

>

>

> "Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all

> weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to

its

> agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

>

>

>

> "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are

> confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and

> biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to

> build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence

> reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet

> achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

>

>

>

> "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has

chemical

> and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United

> States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we

were

> before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively

pursuing

> nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he

> were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would

> face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September

26,

> 2002

>

>

>

> "What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents

with

> the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in

> the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the

past

> four years, in the absence

>

> of international inspectors, this country has continued armament

> programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

>

>

>

> "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat

> Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to

use

> them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam

and

> all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened

tomorrow." --

> Bill Clinton in 1998

>

>

>

> "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show

that

> Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons

> stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has

also

> given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda

members,

> though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible

> events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left

unchecked,

> Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological

and

> chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should

he

> succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security

> landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects

American

> security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in

> 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into

a

> warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those

> trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of

> 2003

>

>

>

> "Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass

> destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them

> against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

>

>

>

> "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our

> allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades,

Saddam

> Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available

> means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already

> used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build

> more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons,

> and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John

> Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national

security.

> It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a

> clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its

determination

> to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." --

> John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons

of

> mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

>

>

>

> "Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and

we

> should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to

> weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction

> has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it

will

> continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

>

>

>

> "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that

Saddam

> Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for

> the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham,

> December 2002

>

>

>

> "Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to

deprive

> his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim

> Jeffords, October 8, 2002

>

>

>

> "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and

developing

> weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

>

>

>

> "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that

he

> is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction

> cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

>

>

>

> "I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority

> to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe

> that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a

real

> and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

>

>

>

> "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real,

but

> as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war,

and

> particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed

> to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those

weapons.

> He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing

> the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of

mass

> destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9,

2002

>

>

>

> "(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator,

> leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He

> presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently

prone

> to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America's response to

his

> continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction.

> That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has

> spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs

and

> disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction

is

> real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian

> Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

>

>

>

> "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a

> threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the

mandates

> of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the

> means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

>

>

>

> "Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological

> weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the

> United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

>

>

>

> "Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and

biological

> weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors

> discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq

> was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq

is

> still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to

> think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued

> biological and chemical weapons. U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's

> claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In

1986,

> Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own

Kurdish

> population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past,

> there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no

doubt

> that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass

> destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

>

>

>

> "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that

the

> proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave

> importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the

> development of weapons of mass

>

> destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he

> has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi,

> December 16, 1998

>

>

>

> "Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible

> intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq

still

> has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium

> perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and

ballistic

> missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these

> deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX

> substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is

stored

> in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq

retains

> significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly

> reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons

> Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

>

>

>

> "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working

aggressively

> to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the

> next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to

> enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that

> difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always

> underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of

> mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a

very

> real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both

> against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to

develop

> delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could

bring

> these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle

> East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

> "Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy towards

> Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He

has

> systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every

> significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his

> chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has

> refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of

> international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep

>

> buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the

> United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies.

> Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

>

>

>

>

>

>