Guest Jag_Pop@hotmail.com Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Once upon a not-so-long-ago Liberals were accused of "sounding like Commies". During the Bushannity Era it became "Liberals Sound Like Terrorists". ( I have long waited for the exchange: Hannity: Let me ask you a question. Why do you think Liberals sound like terrorists? Man On The Street: Why do Liberals sound like Bin Laden... Why? Did Bin Laden call you a clown? ) Get ready. We will soon go full circle with "Liberals Sound Like Russians" Article: Russia-Backed Think Tank To Study Western Democracy ANDREW OSBORN / Wall Street Journal 18jan2008 .... Mr. Kucherena said the new organization would scrutinize U.S. election law, the state of human rights, race relations and the American response to terrorism. He said there were troubling questions in all those areas. "The U.S. election system is intriguing," he said. "In a country with such a democratic history it's interesting that the outcome is decided by the electoral college and not by the people." .... Mr. Putin has frequently lashed out at what he perceives as democratic shortcomings in the West when faced with attacks on his own record. Last month, he highlighted the problems of the 2000 U.S. presidential election in an interview. At the G-8 summit in 2006, he told President Bush that Russia didn't need the kind of democracy being built in Iraq. He has also publicly suggested that the White House engineered the dismissal of U.S. reporters deemed overly critical of the war in Iraq. .... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Full article is here: Russia-Backed Think Tank To Study Western Democracy http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2008/Russia-Democracy-Study18jan08.htm ANDREW OSBORN / Wall Street Journal 18jan2008 MOSCOW -- A new Russian-backed think tank is being set up to publicly critique the state of U.S. and European democracy as Moscow goes on the offensive to counter what it views as unjustified Western criticism of its own political system. A prominent lawyer says President Vladimir Putin endorsed his plan to open monitoring offices in New York and Paris to study the U.S. and French political systems and recommend improvements. Western criticism of what many see as Kremlin backsliding on democratic principles has long rankled Mr. Putin and his allies. Recently, Moscow has taken a more assertive stance, firing back at countries whose governments have been particularly strident. The skirmishing has deepened the chill in Russia's relations with the West. Those tensions were underlined yesterday as the British government said it would suspend the work of two Russian offices of its cultural arm, the British Council, citing "blatant intimidation" by Russian authorities. Moscow accuses the organization of tax and legal violations, charges London rejects. "We saw similar actions during the Cold War, but frankly thought that they had been put behind us," United Kingdom Foreign Secretary David Miliband told lawmakers. Seeking to deflect Western attacks on their repressive system, Soviet propagandists frequently took the U.S. and its Cold War allies to task for what Moscow called human-rights violations. This time, the new think tank would provide "constructive" criticism, according to Anatoly Kucherena, the pro-Kremlin lawyer. "You can only be a pupil for so long," said Mr. Kucherena, a well- known trial lawyer named by Mr. Putin in 2006 to a special advisory body. Mr. Kucherena said he presented the idea to Mr. Putin at a meeting at the president's official residence in May and won his support. A Kremlin spokesman couldn't be reached for comment. But Mr. Putin publicly plugged the idea at a summit in Portugal in October, saying European countries had long had such think tanks in Russia. "It is high time, given our increasing economic and financial potential, that the Russian Federation can do the same thing," he said. Mr. Kucherena said the new organization would scrutinize U.S. election law, the state of human rights, race relations and the American response to terrorism. He said there were troubling questions in all those areas. "The U.S. election system is intriguing," he said. "In a country with such a democratic history it's interesting that the outcome is decided by the electoral college and not by the people." He questioned the compatibility of capital punishment in some U.S. states with democracy and highlighted problems with America's police and law-enforcement system. He cited the 1992 police beating of Rodney King and the subsequent riots in Los Angeles as an example of difficulties in race relations. The New York and Paris offices of the Institute for Democracy and Cooperation will open with small staffs within two months, he said. Other offices in different European capitals will follow. Mr. Kucherena said he has received no Russian government funding so far, relying instead on contributions from local businessmen he declined to identify. Mr. Putin has frequently lashed out at what he perceives as democratic shortcomings in the West when faced with attacks on his own record. Last month, he highlighted the problems of the 2000 U.S. presidential election in an interview. At the G-8 summit in 2006, he told President Bush that Russia didn't need the kind of democracy being built in Iraq. He has also publicly suggested that the White House engineered the dismissal of U.S. reporters deemed overly critical of the war in Iraq. After European election observers criticized Russian votes in 2003 and 2004 as falling short of democratic standards, the Kremlin denounced the monitors as biased. The observers canceled plans to study December's parliamentary elections in Russia, blaming Russia for setting up unprecedented obstacles to their mission. Analysts say Moscow is keen to blunt what it sees as a constant trickle of often-hypocritical criticism. U.S.-based organizations such as Freedom House have regularly derided Russia's political system as an imitation of democracy. This week, the Washington-based think tank described Russia as having an "entrenched authoritarian leadership." It rated Russia "not free," alongside Egypt, Angola and Tajikistan. Mr. Kucherena denounced the Freedom House rankings as biased and said his institute will strive to be more objective. For its part, Freedom House director of studies Christopher Walker said, "We express deep skepticism about this initiative given the profile of the organization and who appears to be behind it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest B1ackwater Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:05:15 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote: >CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE BEAST > >It all began a hundred thousand years ago on a ledge in front of a >cave. A female homo sapiens walked by, attracting the attention of >a male. The male stepped forward and smacked her over the head with >his club. WHACK! He then dragged the unconscious female into his >cave for sex. Really now ? Sounds like a good way to wake up Bobbited ... >One day there were two males standing in front of a cave when a >female walked by. The first raised his arm to club the female, but >the second male communicated to him that clubbing females over the >head to have sex was not nice. WHACK! WHACK! The first male stepped >over the unconscious second male and proceeded to rape the female. >On that day the first liberal paid the price for expressing a new >idea. And the moral of the story is that you'd better be able to back up those "new ideas" with something more than mere words. Oh wait, that makes him a 'conservative' again ... :-) ANYway ... you'd have been perfect for the Spanish Inquisition. Anything 'right' of Babs Striesand = witch, monster, fascist, heretic. Such tunnel-vision is just what every fanatic needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Freedom Fighter Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE BEAST It all began a hundred thousand years ago on a ledge in front of a cave. A female homo sapiens walked by, attracting the attention of a male. The male stepped forward and smacked her over the head with his club. WHACK! He then dragged the unconscious female into his cave for sex. One day there were two males standing in front of a cave when a female walked by. The first raised his arm to club the female, but the second male communicated to him that clubbing females over the head to have sex was not nice. WHACK! WHACK! The first male stepped over the unconscious second male and proceeded to rape the female. On that day the first liberal paid the price for expressing a new idea. Things didn't change much for thousands of years until the advent of projectile weapons. This was first symbolized by the David and Goliath story in the Bible, where the big strong brute was laid flat by the small but smarter boy. Once brute strength was no longer the controlling factor in social interaction, liberal ideas slowly gained a foothold in human culture, and civilization began. Throughout human history, the price for advocating tolerance and progressive change has been paid in threats, beatings, excommunication, incarceration, torture, murder, assassination, and execution. Countless liberals have paid the ultimate price for their humanity. Though Jesus Christ is the most famous, names in recent history that come to mind are Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., John Lennon, and Robert Kennedy. Today there are many conservatives - individuals, groups, and nations - who use threats and violence to silence the voices of reason, tolerance, and progress. Here in America it is seen in racists and homophobes beating blacks and gays, sometimes to death, not for money or out of anger generated by interactive cause, but because of religious or racial intolerance and secular bigotry. Alan Berg on talk radio was a strong voice against a conservative organization called the Aryan Nation. For thus exercising his freedom of speech, he was shot dead while walking his dog in front of his house. David Rice is a man on death row in Washington State who has no remorse whatsoever for entering the home of a family of four and carving out their living hearts only because he heard they were "liberals." He got their names from a Democratic Party membership list. Right-wingers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 men, women, and children as an act of protest. What liberals have ever committed such an abominable atrocity? The most abominable atrocity in several decades is the 9/11 terrorist attacks in which thousands of innocent civilians were murdered. The alleged perpetrators, Osama Bin Laden and the al Qaeda-Taliban terrorists, epitomize the right-wing religious fundamentalist mentality. Some believe that the 9/11 attacks were deliberately allowed to happen, exacerbated, or even perpetrated by radical right-wing elements within our own government to further their fascistic agenda. Two buildings were hit by planes, but THREE collapsed. The evidence that the three collapsed buildings were brought down with demolition explosives put in place BEFORE the attacks is very strong. Arguing that such horrendous crimes are not political in nature or that they are not done primarily by conservatives is utter nonsense. Look back: Who nailed who to a cross? Who were the Loyalists to the totalitarian monarchy of King George? Who started our Civil War to defend slavery? Who fought to keep women as property, and now fights their sovereignty over their own bodies in the freedom to choose abortion? Who fought against child labor statutes? Who fought against the concept of free public education? Who fought against the right of women to vote? Who fought against anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation? Who fought against workers organizing? Who fought against government controls on manufacturers of cars "unsafe at any speed?" Who killed several thousand innocent civilians in the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Who started WW2, murdered 13 million and caused the death of 40 million more? Who defended Jim Crow for a hundred years? Who fought against voting rights, civil rights, social security, health care for the elderly, and minimum wages? Who fights against environmental protection statutes? Who opposes equal rights for gays and other free-lifestyle minorities? Who cruelly opposes physician-assisted dying for suffering, terminally ill patients soon to die anyway? Who is sabotaging the separation of Church and State, and all our other Constitutional rights, freedoms, and protections? Who are the moralizing hypocrites forcing their puritanical inhibitions and prohibitions on ALL Americans via legislation and draconian, police-state enforcement practices? Who always puts personal gain and corporate wealth and power above the common good? CONSERVATIVES OR LIBERALS? The historic, undeniable truth is that these evils are THE NATURE OF THE CONSERVATIVE BEAST! Conservatives have distorted and demonized the word "liberal," whose true political meaning is favoring progressive change, humanistic values, and opposition to authoritarianism. They identify it with governmental waste and tolerance of criminality, when in fact they themselves are guilty of abuses such as corporate welfare bail-outs and tax evasion, fraud against investors, and other white-collar crime. Conservatives fear and oppose all change and progress beyond "what's in it for me?" At the core of conservatism is the Machiavellian bully - the despotic practitioner of "might makes right," craving wealth and power, and willing to use any and all means to get them. Conservatism is the philosophy of the caveman wearing a business suit. AND THE CAVEMENS' CLUBS CAN NOW DESTROY OUR EARTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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