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Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post
Published: Friday, January 26, 2007
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=eabbe10d-3891-41eb-9ee1-a59b71743bec

Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public,
politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize.
Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking,
where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the
climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.

"One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age,"
NASA scientist William Feldman speculated after the agency's Mars
Odyssey completed its first Martian year of data collection. "In some
low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated." With each passing
year more and more evidence arises of the dramatic changes occurring
on the only planet on the solar system, apart from Earth, to give up
its climate secrets.

NASA's findings in space come as no surprise to Dr. Habibullo
Abdussamatov at Saint Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory.
Pulkovo -- at the pinnacle of Russia's space-oriented scientific
establishment -- is one of the world's best equipped observatories and
has been since its founding in 1839. Heading Pulkovo's space research
laboratory is Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics of
the theory that man-made carbon dioxide emissions create a greenhouse
effect, leading to global warming.

"Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the
participation of Martians," he told me. "These parallel global
warmings -- observed simultaneously on Mars and on Earth -- can only
be a straightline consequence of the effect of the one same factor: a
long-time change in solar irradiance."

The sun's increased irradiance over the last century, not C02
emissions, is responsible for the global warming we're seeing, says
the celebrated scientist, and this solar irradiance also explains the
great volume of C02 emissions.

"It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's oceans,
which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide
into the atmosphere. So the common view that man's industrial activity
is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a
misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."

Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a
greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the
Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains.
"Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of
expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat
away."

The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is
occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth
has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall,
ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The
depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur
around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around
2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up
again.

Because of the scientific significance of this period of global
cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space
agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint
project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at
mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority
space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International
Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer
Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main
observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year,
scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station
module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be
conducting a regular survey of the sun.

--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.


"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
 
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:i43rr2t0vpvmolp3tipjmmva6btem2rvf3@4ax.com...
> Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
> LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post
> Published: Friday, January 26, 2007
> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=eabbe10d-3891-41eb-9ee1-a59b71743bec
>
> Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public,
> politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize.
> Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking,
> where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the
> climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.
>
> "One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age,"
> NASA scientist William Feldman speculated after the agency's Mars
> Odyssey completed its first Martian year of data collection. "In some
> low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated." With each passing
> year more and more evidence arises of the dramatic changes occurring
> on the only planet on the solar system, apart from Earth, to give up
> its climate secrets.
>
> NASA's findings in space come as no surprise to Dr. Habibullo
> Abdussamatov at Saint Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory.
> Pulkovo -- at the pinnacle of Russia's space-oriented scientific
> establishment -- is one of the world's best equipped observatories and


He's "at the pinnacle" of one of the world's biggest space scientic
establishment, but he has only 49 mentions on Google!

rogerfx@hotmail.com gets 10% of that!

A search on Google's scholar.google.com gets only 3!


> has been since its founding in 1839. Heading Pulkovo's space research
> laboratory is Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics of
> the theory that man-made carbon dioxide emissions create a greenhouse
> effect, leading to global warming.
>
> "Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the
> participation of Martians," he told me. "These parallel global
> warmings -- observed simultaneously on Mars and on Earth -- can only
> be a straightline consequence of the effect of the one same factor: a
> long-time change in solar irradiance."
>
> The sun's increased irradiance over the last century, not C02
> emissions, is responsible for the global warming we're seeing, says
> the celebrated scientist, and this solar irradiance also explains the
> great volume of C02 emissions.
>
> "It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's oceans,
> which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide
> into the atmosphere. So the common view that man's industrial activity
> is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a
> misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."
>
> Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a
> greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the
> Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains.
> "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of
> expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat
> away."
>
> The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is
> occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth
> has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall,
> ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The
> depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur
> around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around
> 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up
> again.
>
> Because of the scientific significance of this period of global
> cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space
> agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint
> project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at
> mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority
> space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International
> Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer
> Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main
> observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year,
> scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station
> module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be
> conducting a regular survey of the sun.
>
> --
> There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
> the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
> cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.


Is someone going to launch a nuclear attack on them?
 
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:25:32 -0800, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>news:i43rr2t0vpvmolp3tipjmmva6btem2rvf3@4ax.com...
>> Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
>> LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post
>> Published: Friday, January 26, 2007
>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=eabbe10d-3891-41eb-9ee1-a59b71743bec
>>
>> Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public,
>> politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize.
>> Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking,
>> where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the
>> climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.
>>
>> "One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age,"
>> NASA scientist William Feldman speculated after the agency's Mars
>> Odyssey completed its first Martian year of data collection. "In some
>> low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated." With each passing
>> year more and more evidence arises of the dramatic changes occurring
>> on the only planet on the solar system, apart from Earth, to give up
>> its climate secrets.
>>
>> NASA's findings in space come as no surprise to Dr. Habibullo
>> Abdussamatov at Saint Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory.
>> Pulkovo -- at the pinnacle of Russia's space-oriented scientific
>> establishment -- is one of the world's best equipped observatories and

>
>He's "at the pinnacle" of one of the world's biggest space scientic
>establishment, but he has only 49 mentions on Google!
>
>rogerfx@hotmail.com gets 10% of that!
>
>A search on Google's scholar.google.com gets only 3!
>

Russia doesn't have much going on sense the fall of the Soviet Union.

>
>> has been since its founding in 1839. Heading Pulkovo's space research
>> laboratory is Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics of
>> the theory that man-made carbon dioxide emissions create a greenhouse
>> effect, leading to global warming.
>>
>> "Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the
>> participation of Martians," he told me. "These parallel global
>> warmings -- observed simultaneously on Mars and on Earth -- can only
>> be a straightline consequence of the effect of the one same factor: a
>> long-time change in solar irradiance."
>>
>> The sun's increased irradiance over the last century, not C02
>> emissions, is responsible for the global warming we're seeing, says
>> the celebrated scientist, and this solar irradiance also explains the
>> great volume of C02 emissions.
>>
>> "It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's oceans,
>> which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide
>> into the atmosphere. So the common view that man's industrial activity
>> is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a
>> misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."
>>
>> Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a
>> greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the
>> Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains.
>> "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of
>> expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat
>> away."
>>
>> The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is
>> occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth
>> has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall,
>> ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The
>> depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur
>> around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around
>> 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up
>> again.
>>
>> Because of the scientific significance of this period of global
>> cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space
>> agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint
>> project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at
>> mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority
>> space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International
>> Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer
>> Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main
>> observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year,
>> scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station
>> module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be
>> conducting a regular survey of the sun.
>>
>> --
>> There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
>> the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
>> cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

>
>Is someone going to launch a nuclear attack on them?
>


--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.


"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
 
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:s0asr2dec09ttlbf235j7gnn6c8dn9766c@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:25:32 -0800, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:i43rr2t0vpvmolp3tipjmmva6btem2rvf3@4ax.com...
>>> Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
>>> LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post
>>> Published: Friday, January 26, 2007
>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=eabbe10d-3891-41eb-9ee1-a59b71743bec
>>>
>>> Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public,
>>> politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize.
>>> Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking,
>>> where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the
>>> climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.
>>>
>>> "One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age,"
>>> NASA scientist William Feldman speculated after the agency's Mars
>>> Odyssey completed its first Martian year of data collection. "In some
>>> low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated." With each passing
>>> year more and more evidence arises of the dramatic changes occurring
>>> on the only planet on the solar system, apart from Earth, to give up
>>> its climate secrets.
>>>
>>> NASA's findings in space come as no surprise to Dr. Habibullo
>>> Abdussamatov at Saint Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory.
>>> Pulkovo -- at the pinnacle of Russia's space-oriented scientific
>>> establishment -- is one of the world's best equipped observatories and

>>
>>He's "at the pinnacle" of one of the world's biggest space scientic
>>establishment, but he has only 49 mentions on Google!
>>
>>rogerfx@hotmail.com gets 10% of that!
>>
>>A search on Google's scholar.google.com gets only 3!
>>


> Russia doesn't have much going on sense the fall of the Soviet Union.


And yet you cite one of their "experts."


>
>>
>>> has been since its founding in 1839. Heading Pulkovo's space research
>>> laboratory is Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics of
>>> the theory that man-made carbon dioxide emissions create a greenhouse
>>> effect, leading to global warming.
>>>
>>> "Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the
>>> participation of Martians," he told me. "These parallel global
>>> warmings -- observed simultaneously on Mars and on Earth -- can only
>>> be a straightline consequence of the effect of the one same factor: a
>>> long-time change in solar irradiance."
>>>
>>> The sun's increased irradiance over the last century, not C02
>>> emissions, is responsible for the global warming we're seeing, says
>>> the celebrated scientist, and this solar irradiance also explains the
>>> great volume of C02 emissions.
>>>
>>> "It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's oceans,
>>> which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide
>>> into the atmosphere. So the common view that man's industrial activity
>>> is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a
>>> misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."
>>>
>>> Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a
>>> greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the
>>> Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains.
>>> "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of
>>> expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat
>>> away."
>>>
>>> The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is
>>> occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth
>>> has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall,
>>> ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The
>>> depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur
>>> around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around
>>> 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Because of the scientific significance of this period of global
>>> cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space
>>> agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint
>>> project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at
>>> mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority
>>> space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International
>>> Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer
>>> Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main
>>> observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year,
>>> scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station
>>> module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be
>>> conducting a regular survey of the sun.
>>>
>>> --
>>> There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
>>> the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
>>> cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

>>
>>Is someone going to launch a nuclear attack on them?
>>

>
> --
> There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
> the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
> cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
>
> Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
> on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
> with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
> are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
> me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
>
> "Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
>
>
> "Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
> --Will Durant
>
> Joseph R. Darancette
> daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:s0asr2dec09ttlbf235j7gnn6c8dn9766c@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:25:32 -0800, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> >>news:i43rr2t0vpvmolp3tipjmmva6btem2rvf3@4ax.com...
> >>> Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
> >>> LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post
> >>> Published: Friday, January 26, 2007
> >>>

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=eabbe10d-3891-41eb-9ee1-a59b71743bec
> >>>
> >>> Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public,
> >>> politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize.
> >>> Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking,
> >>> where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the
> >>> climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.
> >>>
> >>> "One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age,"
> >>> NASA scientist William Feldman speculated after the agency's Mars
> >>> Odyssey completed its first Martian year of data collection. "In some
> >>> low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated." With each passing
> >>> year more and more evidence arises of the dramatic changes occurring
> >>> on the only planet on the solar system, apart from Earth, to give up
> >>> its climate secrets.
> >>>
> >>> NASA's findings in space come as no surprise to Dr. Habibullo
> >>> Abdussamatov at Saint Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory.
> >>> Pulkovo -- at the pinnacle of Russia's space-oriented scientific
> >>> establishment -- is one of the world's best equipped observatories and
> >>
> >>He's "at the pinnacle" of one of the world's biggest space scientic
> >>establishment, but he has only 49 mentions on Google!
> >>
> >>rogerfx@hotmail.com gets 10% of that!
> >>
> >>A search on Google's scholar.google.com gets only 3!
> >>

>
> > Russia doesn't have much going on sense the fall of the Soviet Union.

>
> And yet you cite one of their "experts."


I'm an amateur astronomer, and have long been taught by the pros that solar
irradiance is cyclical and is now increasing; that makes for warmer planets.
Nothing to be done 'cept get a higher SPF number on your sun screen.

Dennis
>
>
> >
> >>
> >>> has been since its founding in 1839. Heading Pulkovo's space research
> >>> laboratory is Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics of
> >>> the theory that man-made carbon dioxide emissions create a greenhouse
> >>> effect, leading to global warming.
> >>>
> >>> "Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the
> >>> participation of Martians," he told me. "These parallel global
> >>> warmings -- observed simultaneously on Mars and on Earth -- can only
> >>> be a straightline consequence of the effect of the one same factor: a
> >>> long-time change in solar irradiance."
> >>>
> >>> The sun's increased irradiance over the last century, not C02
> >>> emissions, is responsible for the global warming we're seeing, says
> >>> the celebrated scientist, and this solar irradiance also explains the
> >>> great volume of C02 emissions.
> >>>
> >>> "It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's oceans,
> >>> which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide
> >>> into the atmosphere. So the common view that man's industrial activity
> >>> is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a
> >>> misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."
> >>>
> >>> Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a
> >>> greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the
> >>> Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains.
> >>> "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of
> >>> expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat
> >>> away."
> >>>
> >>> The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is
> >>> occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth
> >>> has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall,
> >>> ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The
> >>> depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur
> >>> around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around
> >>> 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up
> >>> again.
> >>>
> >>> Because of the scientific significance of this period of global
> >>> cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space
> >>> agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint
> >>> project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at
> >>> mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority
> >>> space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International
> >>> Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer
> >>> Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main
> >>> observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year,
> >>> scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station
> >>> module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be
> >>> conducting a regular survey of the sun.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth

telling
> >>> the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
> >>> cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
> >>
> >>Is someone going to launch a nuclear attack on them?
> >>

> >
> > --
> > There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
> > the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
> > cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
> >
> > Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
> > on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
> > with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
> > are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
> > me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
> >
> > "Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
> >
> >
> > "Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
> > --Will Durant
> >
> > Joseph R. Darancette
> > daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

>
>
 
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>
> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:s0asr2dec09ttlbf235j7gnn6c8dn9766c@4ax.com...
>> > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:25:32 -0800, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:i43rr2t0vpvmolp3tipjmmva6btem2rvf3@4ax.com...
>> >>> Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
>> >>> LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post
>> >>> Published: Friday, January 26, 2007
>> >>>

> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=eabbe10d-3891-41eb-9ee1-a59b71743bec
>> >>>
>> >>> Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public,
>> >>> politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize.
>> >>> Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking,
>> >>> where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the
>> >>> climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.
>> >>>
>> >>> "One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice
>> >>> age,"
>> >>> NASA scientist William Feldman speculated after the agency's Mars
>> >>> Odyssey completed its first Martian year of data collection. "In some
>> >>> low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated." With each
>> >>> passing
>> >>> year more and more evidence arises of the dramatic changes occurring
>> >>> on the only planet on the solar system, apart from Earth, to give up
>> >>> its climate secrets.
>> >>>
>> >>> NASA's findings in space come as no surprise to Dr. Habibullo
>> >>> Abdussamatov at Saint Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory.
>> >>> Pulkovo -- at the pinnacle of Russia's space-oriented scientific
>> >>> establishment -- is one of the world's best equipped observatories
>> >>> and
>> >>
>> >>He's "at the pinnacle" of one of the world's biggest space scientic
>> >>establishment, but he has only 49 mentions on Google!
>> >>
>> >>rogerfx@hotmail.com gets 10% of that!
>> >>
>> >>A search on Google's scholar.google.com gets only 3!
>> >>

>>
>> > Russia doesn't have much going on sense the fall of the Soviet Union.

>>
>> And yet you cite one of their "experts."

>
> I'm an amateur astronomer, and have long been taught by the pros that
> solar
> irradiance is cyclical and is now increasing; that makes for warmer
> planets.
> Nothing to be done 'cept get a higher SPF number on your sun screen.


Those astronomers should check out what's happening ON EARTH. In its
atmosphere.


>
> Dennis
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> has been since its founding in 1839. Heading Pulkovo's space research
>> >>> laboratory is Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics of
>> >>> the theory that man-made carbon dioxide emissions create a greenhouse
>> >>> effect, leading to global warming.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the
>> >>> participation of Martians," he told me. "These parallel global
>> >>> warmings -- observed simultaneously on Mars and on Earth -- can only
>> >>> be a straightline consequence of the effect of the one same factor: a
>> >>> long-time change in solar irradiance."
>> >>>
>> >>> The sun's increased irradiance over the last century, not C02
>> >>> emissions, is responsible for the global warming we're seeing, says
>> >>> the celebrated scientist, and this solar irradiance also explains the
>> >>> great volume of C02 emissions.
>> >>>
>> >>> "It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's
>> >>> oceans,
>> >>> which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide
>> >>> into the atmosphere. So the common view that man's industrial
>> >>> activity
>> >>> is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a
>> >>> misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."
>> >>>
>> >>> Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a
>> >>> greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the
>> >>> Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he
>> >>> maintains.
>> >>> "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of
>> >>> expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat
>> >>> away."
>> >>>
>> >>> The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that
>> >>> is
>> >>> occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth
>> >>> has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall,
>> >>> ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015.
>> >>> The
>> >>> depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur
>> >>> around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around
>> >>> 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up
>> >>> again.
>> >>>
>> >>> Because of the scientific significance of this period of global
>> >>> cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space
>> >>> agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint
>> >>> project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at
>> >>> mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority
>> >>> space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International
>> >>> Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer
>> >>> Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the
>> >>> main
>> >>> observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year,
>> >>> scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station
>> >>> module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be
>> >>> conducting a regular survey of the sun.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth

> telling
>> >>> the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
>> >>> cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
>> >>
>> >>Is someone going to launch a nuclear attack on them?
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
>> > the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
>> > cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
>> >
>> > Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
>> > not
>> > on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
>> > with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
>> > alone
>> > are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
>> > me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
>> >
>> > "Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
>> > --Will Durant
>> >
>> > Joseph R. Darancette
>> > daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

>>
>>

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